The site I found that explains why he was called Simon in one part of the bible and Judas elsewhere says:
“Names back then were more closely linked to the person’s identifying traits than they are today, and people received additional names as their identifying traits changed and/or were recognized”
So I grew up Catholic and I STILL had to come to the comments, because my parents believed in a more, shall we say, historically likely accurate representation of Jesus and all the people in the bible? By which I mean all the pictures I had of Jesus growing up, he was a brown/black man, Mary was brown/black, everybody except I think a few of the later saints were distinctly middle eastern/north african.
To the point where when I was 9 or so and finally ran across an Evangelical Jesus, I asked which saint it was to my friend’s parents. They said “Why that’s Jesus honey! Don’t you know Jesus?” and I went “That’s NOT Jesus!”. I then got an hour and a half lecture on learning who Jesus was, and it was torture because I had been in bible study since I was able to read, I was very much aware of who Jesus was and how the blonde blue eyed dude was definitely not it. That was obviously someone’s horny interpretation of some european later adorned saint.
I also had a more sympathetic view of Judas, more than most, as I figured if Jesus needed to be crucified to forgive us our sins, wasn’t Judas destined to “betray” him? Was it really betrayal if Jesus knew it would happen?
My point being, I sat here going “Well, it could have literally been any of them? Who the fuck would…*checks comments* oh. Oh no Joyce.”
Re: adorned saint, yeah the artistic depictions of Jesus started I think in the early Byzantine, where attempts to spread the religion to the illiterate majority meant that Jesus was drawn with artistic license featuring allusions to more well-known religious figures at the time like Apollo and Zeus, who likewise had flowing hair, sandals, robes, etc. Hell, even Jesus’s halo is actually a feature that’s borrowed from northern-European sun gods.
Leorale
As one particularly favorite depiction of Jesus once said: “So the Romans murder me, and then they get to pretend to be me”.
There were no northern European sun gods; the closest you get is Helios, not so much Greek in general as specific to the isle of Rhodos in the southeastern corner of the Aegean.
Long hair comes from early medieval kings of western & northern Europe: they got to keep their long hair, everyone else was shorn.
Dierna
No northern European Sun Gods??? Every culture has a sun god or goddess. There’s Sunni (Germanic), Saule (Lithuanian and Latvia), Sol (Norse and Roman), Paivatar (Finn), Beaivi (Sami), Grian (Irish)….. Plus tons more.
Taffy
Why would a sun god have a name related to the sun? Sunni? Sol? You definitely made these up to lead us away from Jegus.
Those names are from Indo-European root-word sōwulō, represented in the runic alphabet by ᛊ (an ancestor of the letter “S”), and it is where we get the English word for sun.
Regarding Judas’ unfortunate destiny, I highly recommend the film The Last Temptation of Christ as it touches on this. Also just a great movie in general.
Quirdry Tawks
Yep. This. Required viewing at my home (along with Dogma), every Blasphemy Season. Which falls roughly around the first full moon after the vernal equinox.
Quirdry Tawks
Although for historical accuracy, Willem DaFoe was kind of a stretch.
Ok, a lot of a stretch.
In fact, whatever it is one stretches in that metaphor, snapped.
It might have been Thomas – who doubted Jesus had risen until he put his fingers into the crucifixion wounds, or even Peter, who denied Jesus thrice while He was being examined by the high priests – although maybe not so much, since Peter was later told “You are the rock on which I will build my church” given charge of “the keys to the kingdom of heaven”, and became what us Catholics consider to be the first Pope.
Read a story in college that was kind of an alt-timeline in which Peter, racked with guilt after denying Christ the first two times, switches and stands up and declares himself an apostle on the third time. He gets arrested immediately, gives up the names of the other apostles, and it ends up with all of them sitting around in a cell with JC, who is grumbling about how the whole plan got fissked up.
Turns out, “You will deny me three times before the cock crows” was an ~instruction~, not a prediction….
But that doesn’t mean that any white supremists are going to worship a bloke who would get selected for special attention by the TSA.
vlademir1
Yep. That is a reason much of the old guard and leadership of the German Party during the ’30s and ’40s straight rejected Christianity. The only reason Christianity wasn’t straight outlawed under their regime was pragmatic, and even then they still used aesthetics as propaganda within Christianity
one of the twelve diciples is judas, who is mostly remembered for having betrayed jesus which lead to the crucification by romans – the implication being that he’s the only one joyce depicted as a man of color.
Judas Iscarot is one of the twelve disciples of Jesus Christ, noted for being the one to betray Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. The implication is that, of all 12 disciples, only the Evil Bad Traitor was drawn as a person of color.
I’m amazed, I grew up Christian and I definitely wouldn’t have pegged Judas as being the one drawn as a POC, though that makes sense cause I went down the list like “crap who else is important”… I also grew up watching Passion of the Christ and that version of Judas (as well as his final fate) was uh… pretty seared into my kid brain so I would never think of Judas as anyone other than that actor who was probably white. Now I wonder of Joyce was ever shown Passion of the Christ…
When you say person of color, I assume Middle Eastern? asking genuinely as a Jew unfamiliar with Christian picture books.
Viktoria
Depends on a lot of stuff TBH. Some media depicts him as Jewish(in the ultra-racist stereotype sense), but it’s fully possible that she drew that art young enough that she only had 2 crayons that qualified as flesh-tone and he got the dark one. Or she might have made him black because she’d absorbed “all bad people are black” that early. We will likely never know any more detail than that.
Pergola
Crayola LOL. Joyce would have had a ‘flesh’ crayon — now renamed as ‘peach’. But then they came out with a ‘Colors of the World’ box. How woke is that?
CrimsonStorm
Yeah I left it vague because I assume whatever indoctrinated racism young Joyce did wasn’t necessarily historically accurate.
Tan
Look, one way or another, she drew Jesus and the other 11 apostles as Aryan Ideal White Dudes and the nefarious traitor not. Whether as a stereotypical caricature Jew clutching his 30 silver, or as middle-eastern brown, or as black… There is no version of this that isn’t set-it-on-fire category.
Erica
Ahh see that’s why I wasn’t sure! I was assuming Middle Eastern, but based on today’s comic it sounds like he’s probably drawn as a Jewish stereotype – and don’t forget Joe is Jewish
Of course, the irony of Judas is that, were it not for his actions, Christianity likely wouldn’t have taken hold, as Jesus would never have been martyred.
Aelfwine
Eh, that’s a stretch. There’s a bazillion ways Jesus could have been martyred without Judas’s specific betrayal, and there’s a bazillion ways Christianity could have taken hold without Jesus being martyred.
thejeff
Jesus certainly could have been martyred in other ways, but the martyrdom is so central to Christianity that even if Jesus’s message had caught on with more years to teach it, what resulted wouldn’t have been anything like what Christianity became, even by the late first century.
I mean..a bunch if people have said it already so I’ll just say it will be interesting to speculate where in Joyce’s upbringing did the racism sneak in? Was that intentional on the Brown’s part or just a side effect of the religious media used?
Based on many wacky racist comments around Sarah, I bet Joyce’s folks and entire community mainly had the death-by-a-thousand-cuts very unexamined style of racism, which is just everywhere all the time in this country, and which could totally show up in Joyce’s kid-drawings this way.
We’re all swimming in it, we must all continually find it in our own minds, we must all set it on fire. ??
Ah. Yeah, a lot of Christian artwork pulls that particular bit of bullshit. I should really look at the illustrated abridged Bible I had as a kid to see if it did that.
I’ve seen only a few minutes of JC Superstar, and the only two things that stuck with me were that I think it was musical, and the anachronisms in the version I saw part of.
Several Romans marching, carrying spears. At least one of them has an M-16.
AndysDrawings
JC Superstar is always a musical, and the movie version is explicitly framed as a bunch of people in the modern day putting on a show, rather than a depiction of historical events. They show up in a bus.
Though it’s uh …. interesting that the actor playing Jesus is absent when they get on the bus to go home
They sometimes cast a black actor to play Judas, yes—most notably in the movie version from the 70s. They cast a white actor just as frequently (including another movie from the 2000s)—most notably the actor in the original production. JCS is also the most sympathetic, complex, and forgiving treatment of Judas I’ve ever seen in media, so (A) I don’t think the casting is particularly problematic, and can even work really well depending on the set design and staging (the themes of JCS are timeless, and directors have been known to dress the actors like modern protestors and corporate suits), and (B) I doubt Joyce’s parents would have shown her the film version on purpose—which itself portrays Jesus & co. as loving hippies—given that evangelicals tend to reject the notions of “Jesus was a socialist” and complexity in their “good guys vs. bad guys” version of these stories.
In the production of Jesus Christ Superstar that I saw as a kid the only non-white performer was Marcia Hines. She sang the part of Mary Magdelene, and became a national rock star on the strength of her success.
Agemegos
The part of Judas was sung by Jon English, far the biggest star in the cast. Except maybe for Reg Livermore, who turned his bit part as Herod into a seven-minute show-stopper of song and dance.
The 1972 version does have Carl Anderson as black, which I will defend by saying that he absolutely killed the role and was the best part of the movie (loaded with a lot of great singing and choreography.) Carl Anderson was a god-tier singer and I would not replace him for anybody. Also Simon the Zealot is black, Mary Magdalene is Native American I think.
But all of the characters raceswap often in the different plays that have been put on throughout the years. In the 2000 movie, Judas was white (and awful), and in 2018 the production had John Legend as Jesus and some of the apostles were even played by women. Still waiting for the day they’re looking for a chick Judas, because I will be there and I will be waiting.
The first movie is the best production though, because it’s the only one which has the second song which actually explains the motives of the Pharisees, and thus is the only one that treats *everyone* as people. Later productions omit it (and I don’t think it was in the OG play), but I cannot emphasize how very important that one song is to understanding that this isn’t the “Jesus Jesus” movie or the “Jesus LOL” movie, it’s the “Everyone in these stories were allegedly people with wants, motives, and fears” movie. Atheist or Christian, I highly recommend the 1972 movie (though it definitely does have problematic moments), the music is great, the take on the story is interesting, and the scenery is just drop dead gorgeous.
Also, there is NO way that Joyce would have ever seen it lol. It is a pretty controversial and hated movie among most extreme Christians.
Bittersweet
TLDR; I have complicated feelings on the casting because I can see how they were racially problematic, but the people who played those roles did them SO FANTASTICALLY WELL that it is really hard for me to just say “well then it shouldn’t have been cast this way” because I can’t imagine anyone else doing their roles better. Nobody cast since has ever been able to out sing the originals. Nobody’s ever come close. And frankly, I don’t want people to walk away thinking Carl Anderson as Judas was just a racist casting moment when I cannot express how fantastic of a singer and actor that man was back in the day.
AK
I was raised in a household that wasn’t Christian and I have to admit the 1972 version of Jesus Christ Superstar was basically my canonical understanding of the Jesus story for a long time. I have never had an understanding of Judas that wasn’t really deeply shaped by that film. The writing of that musical in general and Carl Anderson in particular depict that character with such a degree of relatable humanist rage at the injustices of the world and the way that people twist their stories to let them perpetuate those injustices. I don’t think anyone ever asked me who my favorite biblical character was as a kid or teen (because again I was not raised religious), but I think if anyone ever had I probably would have answered Judas up until the point somewhere in my mid-teens when I properly understood what the optics of that would have been.
MM
Is the 2000 version the one with Jerome Pradon? Because yeah, dude can’t sing, but he acted the hell out of it.
248 thoughts on “Automatic reject”
Ana Chronistic
burn the lot
burn the bins
burn the dorm
send all the ashes to Carol for good measure
Kyoulkoa
You’ve done well, now you know what you must do, burn it, burn it all.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
Burn it! BURN IT ALL!
And then BURN THE ASHES AGAIN, for good measure!
Librain
Are we stopping short of burning Carol?
Mym
WAS IT JUDAS
CrimsonStorm
Yes but weirdly Judas the Greater, not Judas Iscarot
Mym
The best answer I could have gotten, unexpected and earned a guffaw
AbacusWizard
Obscure Bible character jokes are COMEDY GOLD
Thag Simmons
Haha, I totally understand this joke
Qube
hang on I gotta google something
Qube
jesus christ
Council
Well didn’t have to deep dive for that name
V
no thats a different guy
Yarrr
The site I found that explains why he was called Simon in one part of the bible and Judas elsewhere says:
“Names back then were more closely linked to the person’s identifying traits than they are today, and people received additional names as their identifying traits changed and/or were recognized”
Huh, says the transwoman.
Suzi
So I grew up Catholic and I STILL had to come to the comments, because my parents believed in a more, shall we say, historically likely accurate representation of Jesus and all the people in the bible? By which I mean all the pictures I had of Jesus growing up, he was a brown/black man, Mary was brown/black, everybody except I think a few of the later saints were distinctly middle eastern/north african.
To the point where when I was 9 or so and finally ran across an Evangelical Jesus, I asked which saint it was to my friend’s parents. They said “Why that’s Jesus honey! Don’t you know Jesus?” and I went “That’s NOT Jesus!”. I then got an hour and a half lecture on learning who Jesus was, and it was torture because I had been in bible study since I was able to read, I was very much aware of who Jesus was and how the blonde blue eyed dude was definitely not it. That was obviously someone’s horny interpretation of some european later adorned saint.
I also had a more sympathetic view of Judas, more than most, as I figured if Jesus needed to be crucified to forgive us our sins, wasn’t Judas destined to “betray” him? Was it really betrayal if Jesus knew it would happen?
My point being, I sat here going “Well, it could have literally been any of them? Who the fuck would…*checks comments* oh. Oh no Joyce.”
NGPZ
Re: adorned saint, yeah the artistic depictions of Jesus started I think in the early Byzantine, where attempts to spread the religion to the illiterate majority meant that Jesus was drawn with artistic license featuring allusions to more well-known religious figures at the time like Apollo and Zeus, who likewise had flowing hair, sandals, robes, etc. Hell, even Jesus’s halo is actually a feature that’s borrowed from northern-European sun gods.
Leorale
As one particularly favorite depiction of Jesus once said: “So the Romans murder me, and then they get to pretend to be me”.
https://www.shortpacked.com/comic/safely-ethnic
eh, whatever
There were no northern European sun gods; the closest you get is Helios, not so much Greek in general as specific to the isle of Rhodos in the southeastern corner of the Aegean.
Long hair comes from early medieval kings of western & northern Europe: they got to keep their long hair, everyone else was shorn.
Dierna
No northern European Sun Gods??? Every culture has a sun god or goddess. There’s Sunni (Germanic), Saule (Lithuanian and Latvia), Sol (Norse and Roman), Paivatar (Finn), Beaivi (Sami), Grian (Irish)….. Plus tons more.
Taffy
Why would a sun god have a name related to the sun? Sunni? Sol? You definitely made these up to lead us away from Jegus.
NGPZ
Those names are from Indo-European root-word sōwulō, represented in the runic alphabet by ᛊ (an ancestor of the letter “S”), and it is where we get the English word for sun.
june gloom
Regarding Judas’ unfortunate destiny, I highly recommend the film The Last Temptation of Christ as it touches on this. Also just a great movie in general.
Quirdry Tawks
Yep. This. Required viewing at my home (along with Dogma), every Blasphemy Season. Which falls roughly around the first full moon after the vernal equinox.
Quirdry Tawks
Although for historical accuracy, Willem DaFoe was kind of a stretch.
Ok, a lot of a stretch.
In fact, whatever it is one stretches in that metaphor, snapped.
Fëanen
Oh, you grew up with Shortpacked Jesus. Neat.
Bicycle Bill
It might have been Thomas – who doubted Jesus had risen until he put his fingers into the crucifixion wounds, or even Peter, who denied Jesus thrice while He was being examined by the high priests – although maybe not so much, since Peter was later told “You are the rock on which I will build my church” given charge of “the keys to the kingdom of heaven”, and became what us Catholics consider to be the first Pope.
Freemage
Read a story in college that was kind of an alt-timeline in which Peter, racked with guilt after denying Christ the first two times, switches and stands up and declares himself an apostle on the third time. He gets arrested immediately, gives up the names of the other apostles, and it ends up with all of them sitting around in a cell with JC, who is grumbling about how the whole plan got fissked up.
Turns out, “You will deny me three times before the cock crows” was an ~instruction~, not a prediction….
Angel
i mean, would they not all be brown/middle eastern looking? but yeah good thing no one else is sorting through it to blackmail joyce with lol
Agemegos
Only really yes.
But that doesn’t mean that any white supremists are going to worship a bloke who would get selected for special attention by the TSA.
vlademir1
Yep. That is a reason much of the old guard and leadership of the German Party during the ’30s and ’40s straight rejected Christianity. The only reason Christianity wasn’t straight outlawed under their regime was pragmatic, and even then they still used aesthetics as propaganda within Christianity
FacelessDeviant
Maybe it was the 13th Apostle: Rufus?
Rose by Any Other Name
Don’t know what you’re talking about. Rufus Shinra is pale and blonde.
FacelessDeviant
Not in Dogma he wasn’t 😛
Mr. Random
13th was Matthias though.
shoopdawhoop
Or Biff
NGPZ
It only gets worse the deeper you go…
*plays “Meinya” from Made in Abyss OST on hacked muzak*
Animedingo
When in doubt
Burn it down
bootshivers
ope
Shitbird
Once again, a joke I do not have the religious upbringing to understand.
JD
one of the twelve diciples is judas, who is mostly remembered for having betrayed jesus which lead to the crucification by romans – the implication being that he’s the only one joyce depicted as a man of color.
GJT0530
i presume she drew judas, the traitor who turned in jesus to the authorities to ultimately be executed, as the only one not drawn white.
CrimsonStorm
Judas Iscarot is one of the twelve disciples of Jesus Christ, noted for being the one to betray Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. The implication is that, of all 12 disciples, only the Evil Bad Traitor was drawn as a person of color.
Doopyboop
I’m amazed, I grew up Christian and I definitely wouldn’t have pegged Judas as being the one drawn as a POC, though that makes sense cause I went down the list like “crap who else is important”… I also grew up watching Passion of the Christ and that version of Judas (as well as his final fate) was uh… pretty seared into my kid brain so I would never think of Judas as anyone other than that actor who was probably white. Now I wonder of Joyce was ever shown Passion of the Christ…
Erica
When you say person of color, I assume Middle Eastern? asking genuinely as a Jew unfamiliar with Christian picture books.
Viktoria
Depends on a lot of stuff TBH. Some media depicts him as Jewish(in the ultra-racist stereotype sense), but it’s fully possible that she drew that art young enough that she only had 2 crayons that qualified as flesh-tone and he got the dark one. Or she might have made him black because she’d absorbed “all bad people are black” that early. We will likely never know any more detail than that.
Pergola
Crayola LOL. Joyce would have had a ‘flesh’ crayon — now renamed as ‘peach’. But then they came out with a ‘Colors of the World’ box. How woke is that?
CrimsonStorm
Yeah I left it vague because I assume whatever indoctrinated racism young Joyce did wasn’t necessarily historically accurate.
Tan
Look, one way or another, she drew Jesus and the other 11 apostles as Aryan Ideal White Dudes and the nefarious traitor not. Whether as a stereotypical caricature Jew clutching his 30 silver, or as middle-eastern brown, or as black… There is no version of this that isn’t set-it-on-fire category.
Erica
Ahh see that’s why I wasn’t sure! I was assuming Middle Eastern, but based on today’s comic it sounds like he’s probably drawn as a Jewish stereotype – and don’t forget Joe is Jewish
Stu
Of course, the irony of Judas is that, were it not for his actions, Christianity likely wouldn’t have taken hold, as Jesus would never have been martyred.
Aelfwine
Eh, that’s a stretch. There’s a bazillion ways Jesus could have been martyred without Judas’s specific betrayal, and there’s a bazillion ways Christianity could have taken hold without Jesus being martyred.
thejeff
Jesus certainly could have been martyred in other ways, but the martyrdom is so central to Christianity that even if Jesus’s message had caught on with more years to teach it, what resulted wouldn’t have been anything like what Christianity became, even by the late first century.
Sirksome
I mean..a bunch if people have said it already so I’ll just say it will be interesting to speculate where in Joyce’s upbringing did the racism sneak in? Was that intentional on the Brown’s part or just a side effect of the religious media used?
SeanR
Well, she had feelings for a certain mouse, so I’m going to assume a source closer to home.
Gwyn
Given her fixation on the picture Bible, that’s one possible source. Or it could be artistic license picking up on cultural biases.
Leorale
Based on many wacky racist comments around Sarah, I bet Joyce’s folks and entire community mainly had the death-by-a-thousand-cuts very unexamined style of racism, which is just everywhere all the time in this country, and which could totally show up in Joyce’s kid-drawings this way.
We’re all swimming in it, we must all continually find it in our own minds, we must all set it on fire. ??
Agemegos
My guess it was the emphasis on “all” when they said things like “not all Black people are gangstas and welfare queens”.
brionl
Jesus the way God intended,
Blonde, Blue Eyed, and totally ripped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZAkVbZVPTg
RassilonTDavros
Ah. Yeah, a lot of Christian artwork pulls that particular bit of bullshit. I should really look at the illustrated abridged Bible I had as a kid to see if it did that.
Bruceski
JC Superstar does, doesn’t it?
SeanR
I’ve seen only a few minutes of JC Superstar, and the only two things that stuck with me were that I think it was musical, and the anachronisms in the version I saw part of.
Several Romans marching, carrying spears. At least one of them has an M-16.
AndysDrawings
JC Superstar is always a musical, and the movie version is explicitly framed as a bunch of people in the modern day putting on a show, rather than a depiction of historical events. They show up in a bus.
Though it’s uh …. interesting that the actor playing Jesus is absent when they get on the bus to go home
Regina phalange
They sometimes cast a black actor to play Judas, yes—most notably in the movie version from the 70s. They cast a white actor just as frequently (including another movie from the 2000s)—most notably the actor in the original production. JCS is also the most sympathetic, complex, and forgiving treatment of Judas I’ve ever seen in media, so (A) I don’t think the casting is particularly problematic, and can even work really well depending on the set design and staging (the themes of JCS are timeless, and directors have been known to dress the actors like modern protestors and corporate suits), and (B) I doubt Joyce’s parents would have shown her the film version on purpose—which itself portrays Jesus & co. as loving hippies—given that evangelicals tend to reject the notions of “Jesus was a socialist” and complexity in their “good guys vs. bad guys” version of these stories.
Mark
You might want to take a look at I, Judas.
Agemegos
In the production of Jesus Christ Superstar that I saw as a kid the only non-white performer was Marcia Hines. She sang the part of Mary Magdelene, and became a national rock star on the strength of her success.
Agemegos
The part of Judas was sung by Jon English, far the biggest star in the cast. Except maybe for Reg Livermore, who turned his bit part as Herod into a seven-minute show-stopper of song and dance.
Bittersweet
The 1972 version does have Carl Anderson as black, which I will defend by saying that he absolutely killed the role and was the best part of the movie (loaded with a lot of great singing and choreography.) Carl Anderson was a god-tier singer and I would not replace him for anybody. Also Simon the Zealot is black, Mary Magdalene is Native American I think.
But all of the characters raceswap often in the different plays that have been put on throughout the years. In the 2000 movie, Judas was white (and awful), and in 2018 the production had John Legend as Jesus and some of the apostles were even played by women. Still waiting for the day they’re looking for a chick Judas, because I will be there and I will be waiting.
The first movie is the best production though, because it’s the only one which has the second song which actually explains the motives of the Pharisees, and thus is the only one that treats *everyone* as people. Later productions omit it (and I don’t think it was in the OG play), but I cannot emphasize how very important that one song is to understanding that this isn’t the “Jesus Jesus” movie or the “Jesus LOL” movie, it’s the “Everyone in these stories were allegedly people with wants, motives, and fears” movie. Atheist or Christian, I highly recommend the 1972 movie (though it definitely does have problematic moments), the music is great, the take on the story is interesting, and the scenery is just drop dead gorgeous.
Also, there is NO way that Joyce would have ever seen it lol. It is a pretty controversial and hated movie among most extreme Christians.
Bittersweet
TLDR; I have complicated feelings on the casting because I can see how they were racially problematic, but the people who played those roles did them SO FANTASTICALLY WELL that it is really hard for me to just say “well then it shouldn’t have been cast this way” because I can’t imagine anyone else doing their roles better. Nobody cast since has ever been able to out sing the originals. Nobody’s ever come close. And frankly, I don’t want people to walk away thinking Carl Anderson as Judas was just a racist casting moment when I cannot express how fantastic of a singer and actor that man was back in the day.
AK
I was raised in a household that wasn’t Christian and I have to admit the 1972 version of Jesus Christ Superstar was basically my canonical understanding of the Jesus story for a long time. I have never had an understanding of Judas that wasn’t really deeply shaped by that film. The writing of that musical in general and Carl Anderson in particular depict that character with such a degree of relatable humanist rage at the injustices of the world and the way that people twist their stories to let them perpetuate those injustices. I don’t think anyone ever asked me who my favorite biblical character was as a kid or teen (because again I was not raised religious), but I think if anyone ever had I probably would have answered Judas up until the point somewhere in my mid-teens when I properly understood what the optics of that would have been.
MM
Is the 2000 version the one with Jerome Pradon? Because yeah, dude can’t sing, but he acted the hell out of it.
Francoinblanco
Yeah Judas, apart from the Pharisees, is the only Jew in the Bible
Sirksome