Also blaming Sarah for telling Dana’s father his daughter wasn’t well. I mean the sheer nerve of Sarah, informing a parent his daughter needs help.
gangler
Don’tcha know that parents are evil? That’s like, life lessons 101 or something. All they want to do is crush your dreams, kill your buzz, and make you miserable. Sarah gave Dana’s father exactly what he needed to do all three at once! Now there’ll be no stopping the villain!
M. Pomme
DIna’s not handicapped? [honest question]
NobodySpecial
She may be autistic. That’s not really ‘handicapped’ in today’s world.
Tualha
Oh, sure. Just severely limited in the kinds of work environments you can handle; always making social mistakes that get you fired; being misunderstood by everyone you meet; having few if any friends to help you cope; with little public assistance available for your condition, in the US; and often dealing with severe depression due to all of the above. And that’s just for Asperger’s, never mind more severe forms of autism. But not, you know, handicapped.
beyonderrr
Well put 🙂
In Sweden, where I live atm, if you’re diagnosed with aspbergers you can get a lot of assistance with all of the things you mentioned above (yes even the social life part), though usually after having to fight “the authorities” for it for a while, so I’m really happy for my diagnosed friends that they are living here and not in ANY other country I’ve ever visited.
It’s hard for me to imagine them coping as well as they do if there was no internet though, and I guess that’s available everywhere 🙂 .
Zanosuke_Kurosaki
Exactly. It’s not a handicap – it just means things are different for the ones who have it. Also, I had a cat with your username! =O
Andiemus
Autism is a spectrum, some people are able to make do, some aren’t.
Tualha
Er, I think you need to calibrate your sarcasm-meter there, ZK.
I got the name from the cat in A Wizard Abroad, same as you, I would guess.
Zanosuke_Kurosaki
I try not to use my sarcasm meter too much online, Tualha. It… doesn’t work as reliably as I’d like. >.>
Yup, same place. Except my kitty wasn’t all black, she was a dilute tortie. Every bit as energetic, though…
More like not wanting to know the whole story. Honestly discounting the person who is in a position to know that your friend is hiding her depression from you is stupid and dangerous. Assuming you know exactly how your friend is feeling from the little time you see them is arrogance at it’s finest.
Khrene Cleaver
I could comment on how I agree with you, or I could point out that your name is a couple letters awar from “Zack Fair” of the Final Fantasy 7 series
Shade
So which one are you going to do? Good god man, don’t leave us in suspense!
But Sarah tried to TELL her the whole story. At some point it’s Raidah’s fault for not listening, which let’s face it is why she’s so hard on Sarah. She knows deep down that she probably should have done more so it didn’t come to that but it’s much easier to blame the girl who was directly involved with how it went down.
Yeah, seriously. That’s the single most effective choice for someone who will take her recovery seriously, who won’t throw her into jail and end her hopes of a future, and who actually is invested in her.
Sarah did the most mature thing possible. Yeah, Raidah really is a bongo if she’s flying off the handle at Sarah telling for Dana’s own family about her issues — unless Dana’s father is some sort of monster that we don’t know about.
Yeah, truth. Sarah was in the position of being Dana’s sole support system, which she recognized was insufficient, so she went and expanded the support network. And she picked somebody who would understand and be on Dana’s side and whose job it is to take care of Dana. Very good move.
Yeah, Sarah wins THIS round. “Oh my god, Sarah, you told a father than their emotionally wrecked, drug-snorting child was emotionally wrecked and increasingly drug-snorting and needed help that we refused to give her because we wanted to believe she was getting better and let ourselves be lied to!!!”
Losing these friends doesn’t seem like a big whoop anymore, y’know?
F is Forgetting all of her problems
I is for ignoring her issues
E is for Empathy that is misguided
N is for Not giving someone the benefit of the doubt
D is for Denying that your friend ever had a problem.
To be fair, unless Sarah is making up this side of the story whole cloth (and then I sold her to a group of passing slavers -er, I mean, then I told her dad about the problem) there’s not a lot of ways to make Radiah look better here. Radiah is *not* being presented as a villain; she’s being presented as a girl who refused to face the facts and misblames Sarah for all the perceived problems. Unless you change the actual facts about what Sarah did, the story’s not going to change.
gangler
To be fair, when we hear Raidah’s side of the story I’m pretty sure we’ll find she’s also had at least one conversation with Dana that Sarah wasn’t privy to. Sarah’s story doesn’t even have to be false so long as it’s incomplete.
I hope guys like you aren’t serious.
Please tell me, in what way could this situation be explained that would eventually make Sarah look bad and make it look like she made the wrong decision.
Please. Write it down.
Would it be… that maybe Dana did it all on purpose and actualy all of her friends knew she was alright because she told them “hey, I will act worse when Sarah is around, don’t worry about me, I’m actually ok, I’m just messing around!”? You mean something like that?
Seriously, what kind of extreme delusions you have to have in order o think that there’s a side of this story that can make Sarah look like the bad guy. Jesus, murrica.
Usayasha
Well, I’ve had friends with fathers that are total controlling assholes that overreact to everything. So this father may be the type to keep her on lock down, berate her to the point of abuse, promise to take away any form of financial aid on his part, etc. And with both of them being in an emotionally unstable state from Dana’s mom dying, both his actions and her reactions could become even more extreme.
Or something along those lines, at the least.
Well, for one, Sarah seemed to be more a friend to Dana than anyone.
However, Raidah and the others only saw Dana smiling, and slowly going back to normal, none of the crying or (probably additional) pot use.
I have seen this situation, and I involved the school because
1. I didn’t have the option to inform authorities at the time
2. I didn’t know his parents
and 3. He was a dick trying to hit me with a 2×4.
Valdrax
I wonder if we’ll later find out whether Dana sees things that way or not.
George
I bet we’ll see Dana again. Seems odd to introduce a character purely as part of another character’s backstory and never use them again. However, it probably won’t be until next semester, so realistically we aren’t gonna know for years.
Icalasari
Years
That seems optimistic
Steven
4. And everyone has been forgetting this one in disturbingly increasing regularity: fiction.
The only problem that I see with it is that from the last strip it seems like she did it less out of concern for Dana and more as a way to get Dana out of her way so she could study. Sarah definitely did the right thing, but I wonder how much of it was done out of concern for Dana and how much was just her getting an “inconvenience” out of her way.
But he has a point, especially from an outside perspective. I’d assume selfishness before altruism if I were Raidah because Sarah acts like a judgmental grade-obsessed bongo and her scholarships (which I might not believe her about in this scenario, because I know plenty of people who will make up anything as an excuse to be bongoy) only justify the middle part. She’s a good person underneath, but we only know that because we’ve seen her interact with Joyce and Dina; she seems like she actually wants to hide it and I can’t blame Raidah and Co. for not seeing it.
GenericScreenName101
I dunno because Sarah did try to appeal to Dana’s friends before she contacted her father. But this could actually open up the possibility that the college students of the dumbiverse do not own cellular phones.
But this could perhaps be social commentary where “people” consider it rude to call/write/email/telegraph/messenger pidgeon their friends to find out their current status in this year of 20XX. Thus Sarah’s actions made Dana incommunicado.
Dr.Z
Eh.
The thing is, if Raidah really gave a damn, she could have looked into Sara’s consistently voiced concerns, and would have seen how bad their freind was doing. She just wanted to blow it off as hyperbole.
When Dana is taken away BY HER FATHER, Raidah STILL could have looked into this and would have seen, again, that Sara’s concerns were factual, and that Dana needed help, badly.
Instead she crosses to aggressively threaten & ostracize her ‘grumpy’ friend for taking away her ‘fun’ friend. She makes no effort to help either of her friends in need.
Whether she realizes it or not, she is a superficial acquaintance, and not a true friend to Sara, and especially not to Dana.
She was clearly trying to comfort Dana in the first panel of the strip and the bong one, at least. And honestly, not being able to sleep in your own dorm goes well beyond “inconvenience” territory, so even if that was a main factor I can’t blame her. Between the freaking out about the scholarship, the friends ignoring her, the stress of the whole pot thing to cover up, her own attempts at comfort failing, and bad sleep taking its toll on her body, I’m betting she was just completely overwhelmed with the whole situation. Something’s gotta give.
Does it matter whether her motives were selfish or not? She still handled the situation the best way she felt she possibly could. I do think she cared about Dana to a certain extent, seeing as she first suggested therapy, then called Dana’s father, as ways of trying to help her.
TheLastOutlaw
Exactly, doing the right thing for the wrong reason is still doing the right thing. And I’m not 100% convinced it was for the wrong reasons.
Dr.Z
Not at all.
There is no better choice I could think of.
She did not squeal her out to the cops, or to the campus authorities, like I had suspected earlier.
This was the most compassionate and wise move she could make.
I.care.0
This. The reasons doensn’t matter at all, and being selfish isn’t necessarily bad. Specially when it leads to good being done to other people. Selfishness is only a bad thing when you start harming everyone else.
376 thoughts on “Better”
Plasma Mongoose
So she only told her dad not the authorities, that’s something at least.
Jehosaphat
And lets be honest, thats probably what she needed. This only confirms the Raidah and gang bongofactor.
Resne
Not so much bongofactor. A lot of it is them not knowing the whole story.
George
But they’re also bongoes. They assumed Dina was handicapped, after all.
David Herbert
Also blaming Sarah for telling Dana’s father his daughter wasn’t well. I mean the sheer nerve of Sarah, informing a parent his daughter needs help.
gangler
Don’tcha know that parents are evil? That’s like, life lessons 101 or something. All they want to do is crush your dreams, kill your buzz, and make you miserable. Sarah gave Dana’s father exactly what he needed to do all three at once! Now there’ll be no stopping the villain!
M. Pomme
DIna’s not handicapped? [honest question]
NobodySpecial
She may be autistic. That’s not really ‘handicapped’ in today’s world.
Tualha
Oh, sure. Just severely limited in the kinds of work environments you can handle; always making social mistakes that get you fired; being misunderstood by everyone you meet; having few if any friends to help you cope; with little public assistance available for your condition, in the US; and often dealing with severe depression due to all of the above. And that’s just for Asperger’s, never mind more severe forms of autism. But not, you know, handicapped.
beyonderrr
Well put 🙂
In Sweden, where I live atm, if you’re diagnosed with aspbergers you can get a lot of assistance with all of the things you mentioned above (yes even the social life part), though usually after having to fight “the authorities” for it for a while, so I’m really happy for my diagnosed friends that they are living here and not in ANY other country I’ve ever visited.
It’s hard for me to imagine them coping as well as they do if there was no internet though, and I guess that’s available everywhere 🙂 .
Zanosuke_Kurosaki
Exactly. It’s not a handicap – it just means things are different for the ones who have it. Also, I had a cat with your username! =O
Andiemus
Autism is a spectrum, some people are able to make do, some aren’t.
Tualha
Er, I think you need to calibrate your sarcasm-meter there, ZK.
I got the name from the cat in A Wizard Abroad, same as you, I would guess.
Zanosuke_Kurosaki
I try not to use my sarcasm meter too much online, Tualha. It… doesn’t work as reliably as I’d like. >.>
Yup, same place. Except my kitty wasn’t all black, she was a dilute tortie. Every bit as energetic, though…
Parnifia the Bastard
You sound kind of bitter; bad experiences?
Jack Faire
More like not wanting to know the whole story. Honestly discounting the person who is in a position to know that your friend is hiding her depression from you is stupid and dangerous. Assuming you know exactly how your friend is feeling from the little time you see them is arrogance at it’s finest.
Khrene Cleaver
I could comment on how I agree with you, or I could point out that your name is a couple letters awar from “Zack Fair” of the Final Fantasy 7 series
Shade
So which one are you going to do? Good god man, don’t leave us in suspense!
kschenke
But Sarah tried to TELL her the whole story. At some point it’s Raidah’s fault for not listening, which let’s face it is why she’s so hard on Sarah. She knows deep down that she probably should have done more so it didn’t come to that but it’s much easier to blame the girl who was directly involved with how it went down.
Rowen Morland
More like not accepting the whole story.
Dr. Bolty
Oh. WOW.
For everyone so sure that the police were involved, or the university, or…
That was actually seriously the best move Sarah could have made (informing someone who knew better how to care for Dana).
Valdrax
Yeah, seriously. That’s the single most effective choice for someone who will take her recovery seriously, who won’t throw her into jail and end her hopes of a future, and who actually is invested in her.
Sarah did the most mature thing possible. Yeah, Raidah really is a bongo if she’s flying off the handle at Sarah telling for Dana’s own family about her issues — unless Dana’s father is some sort of monster that we don’t know about.
Leorale
Yeah, truth. Sarah was in the position of being Dana’s sole support system, which she recognized was insufficient, so she went and expanded the support network. And she picked somebody who would understand and be on Dana’s side and whose job it is to take care of Dana. Very good move.
Charles RB
Yeah, Sarah wins THIS round. “Oh my god, Sarah, you told a father than their emotionally wrecked, drug-snorting child was emotionally wrecked and increasingly drug-snorting and needed help that we refused to give her because we wanted to believe she was getting better and let ourselves be lied to!!!”
Losing these friends doesn’t seem like a big whoop anymore, y’know?
Historyman68
Drug-snorting?
gangler
She was also known to put the weed into tiny little pill capsules.
Mo
What are marijuana tablets?
Matt of Steel
It’s like an iPad … only on Weeeeed.
Thisguy
Wiid?
Zanosuke_Kurosaki
MC Chris approves of this. FTW!
davidbreslin101
WOW seconded. This changes a lot… and it rings true that Sarah refused to justify or explain herelf to anyone before now.
Kirt Dankmyer
Agreed. And let’s face it: It was her dad’s decision to pull her out.
Kaj
I’ll admit, I was expecting it to be something much worse. Sarah definitely doesn’t deserve the crap she’s been getting over that.
Mkvenner
Raidah you are a terrible friend.
Aizat
In other word, a fiend?
Plasma Mongoose
A fiend in deed is a fiend indeed.
Yotomoe
F is Forgetting all of her problems
I is for ignoring her issues
E is for Empathy that is misguided
N is for Not giving someone the benefit of the doubt
D is for Denying that your friend ever had a problem.
Plasma Mongoose
All we need now is a bunch of cheerleaders to spell it out.
trevalyan
Billie! You’re not doing anything right now, get over here a minute.
LuckyStar7
Or SpongeBob to sing about it.
Anonymous
Down here in the deep blue….
oh.
Khrene Cleaver
U is for Uranium!,,, Wait am I on the wrong verse?
Crimson Doom
U is for Underwear, Red!
Ben
a fiend with weed is better?
George
I’ve found that most fiends get less fiendish with weed… which could explain why Dana was friends with them.
Vibbles
A fiend who’s depressed and all the rest
A fiend who’s not getting better~
Patrick McGraw
A friend was stressed she’d fail her test
And she will… um… something Placebo-ish
M. Pomme
..and she will call your father
Thisguy
Because fatherly calls are the most Placobo-ish thing there are.
LuckyStar7
Walky surprised.
ZealousSheep
To be fair, we only have Sarah’s side of the story.
begbert2
To be fair, unless Sarah is making up this side of the story whole cloth (and then I sold her to a group of passing slavers -er, I mean, then I told her dad about the problem) there’s not a lot of ways to make Radiah look better here. Radiah is *not* being presented as a villain; she’s being presented as a girl who refused to face the facts and misblames Sarah for all the perceived problems. Unless you change the actual facts about what Sarah did, the story’s not going to change.
gangler
To be fair, when we hear Raidah’s side of the story I’m pretty sure we’ll find she’s also had at least one conversation with Dana that Sarah wasn’t privy to. Sarah’s story doesn’t even have to be false so long as it’s incomplete.
Intie
I hope guys like you aren’t serious.
Please tell me, in what way could this situation be explained that would eventually make Sarah look bad and make it look like she made the wrong decision.
Please. Write it down.
Would it be… that maybe Dana did it all on purpose and actualy all of her friends knew she was alright because she told them “hey, I will act worse when Sarah is around, don’t worry about me, I’m actually ok, I’m just messing around!”? You mean something like that?
Seriously, what kind of extreme delusions you have to have in order o think that there’s a side of this story that can make Sarah look like the bad guy. Jesus, murrica.
Usayasha
Well, I’ve had friends with fathers that are total controlling assholes that overreact to everything. So this father may be the type to keep her on lock down, berate her to the point of abuse, promise to take away any form of financial aid on his part, etc. And with both of them being in an emotionally unstable state from Dana’s mom dying, both his actions and her reactions could become even more extreme.
Or something along those lines, at the least.
Lizardtongue
…
I see no wrong with Sarah’s actions.
Aizat
And they hate her for that. What is this world coming to when being concerned about your friend is a bad thing?
Pyr05
Well, for one, Sarah seemed to be more a friend to Dana than anyone.
However, Raidah and the others only saw Dana smiling, and slowly going back to normal, none of the crying or (probably additional) pot use.
I have seen this situation, and I involved the school because
1. I didn’t have the option to inform authorities at the time
2. I didn’t know his parents
and 3. He was a dick trying to hit me with a 2×4.
Valdrax
I wonder if we’ll later find out whether Dana sees things that way or not.
George
I bet we’ll see Dana again. Seems odd to introduce a character purely as part of another character’s backstory and never use them again. However, it probably won’t be until next semester, so realistically we aren’t gonna know for years.
Icalasari
Years
That seems optimistic
Steven
4. And everyone has been forgetting this one in disturbingly increasing regularity: fiction.
Audiophillie
Is it bad to become ensnared in a good story?
Croaxleigh
The only problem that I see with it is that from the last strip it seems like she did it less out of concern for Dana and more as a way to get Dana out of her way so she could study. Sarah definitely did the right thing, but I wonder how much of it was done out of concern for Dana and how much was just her getting an “inconvenience” out of her way.
thomas0comer
Hardly just an “inconvenience.”
George
But he has a point, especially from an outside perspective. I’d assume selfishness before altruism if I were Raidah because Sarah acts like a judgmental grade-obsessed bongo and her scholarships (which I might not believe her about in this scenario, because I know plenty of people who will make up anything as an excuse to be bongoy) only justify the middle part. She’s a good person underneath, but we only know that because we’ve seen her interact with Joyce and Dina; she seems like she actually wants to hide it and I can’t blame Raidah and Co. for not seeing it.
GenericScreenName101
I dunno because Sarah did try to appeal to Dana’s friends before she contacted her father. But this could actually open up the possibility that the college students of the dumbiverse do not own cellular phones.
But this could perhaps be social commentary where “people” consider it rude to call/write/email/telegraph/messenger pidgeon their friends to find out their current status in this year of 20XX. Thus Sarah’s actions made Dana incommunicado.
Dr.Z
Eh.
The thing is, if Raidah really gave a damn, she could have looked into Sara’s consistently voiced concerns, and would have seen how bad their freind was doing. She just wanted to blow it off as hyperbole.
When Dana is taken away BY HER FATHER, Raidah STILL could have looked into this and would have seen, again, that Sara’s concerns were factual, and that Dana needed help, badly.
Instead she crosses to aggressively threaten & ostracize her ‘grumpy’ friend for taking away her ‘fun’ friend. She makes no effort to help either of her friends in need.
Whether she realizes it or not, she is a superficial acquaintance, and not a true friend to Sara, and especially not to Dana.
Kirt Dankmyer
We don’t know anything about Sarah’s background.
If she is very poor, this might be her only chance at college.
Given the “unforgiving scholarship” line, this seems
reasonable.
Note I don’t want to fall into the trap of *assuming* all
black people are poor, so we don’t really know at this point.
Regalli
She was clearly trying to comfort Dana in the first panel of the strip and the bong one, at least. And honestly, not being able to sleep in your own dorm goes well beyond “inconvenience” territory, so even if that was a main factor I can’t blame her. Between the freaking out about the scholarship, the friends ignoring her, the stress of the whole pot thing to cover up, her own attempts at comfort failing, and bad sleep taking its toll on her body, I’m betting she was just completely overwhelmed with the whole situation. Something’s gotta give.
Kernanator
Does it matter whether her motives were selfish or not? She still handled the situation the best way she felt she possibly could. I do think she cared about Dana to a certain extent, seeing as she first suggested therapy, then called Dana’s father, as ways of trying to help her.
TheLastOutlaw
Exactly, doing the right thing for the wrong reason is still doing the right thing. And I’m not 100% convinced it was for the wrong reasons.
Dr.Z
Not at all.
There is no better choice I could think of.
She did not squeal her out to the cops, or to the campus authorities, like I had suspected earlier.
This was the most compassionate and wise move she could make.
I.care.0
This. The reasons doensn’t matter at all, and being selfish isn’t necessarily bad. Specially when it leads to good being done to other people. Selfishness is only a bad thing when you start harming everyone else.