i mean, dorothy IS jewish…tho i wonder if anyone’s ever used that as an excuse to discriminate like “oh we know you don’t celebrate christmas so we excluded a christmas bonus”
Generally discrimination for religious minorities around Christmas in America involves insisting that we celebrate your holidays.
The most impactful financially: requirements that we take unpaid time off for no dang reason in December. Getting cranky, refusing, or firing us for wanting time off for our own essential familial holidays (remember: our actually-important holidays aren’t in the winter).
The most impactful emotionally: Christmas and “””holiday””” parties often really suck for a lot of us. (We literally aren’t allowed to say so, or else we hate joy, aren’t team players, etc.)
And anything to do with santa and Jesus or Christmas in public schools is just awful.
Christmas can be your favorite thing, that’s totally fine!
But it probably really isn’t our thing, at all, and that ought to be way more OK.
Mark
Yeah, a lot of the people who run businesses and public institutions still have this quaint Victorian notion that the people they work with are their extended family and should cheerfully participate in their personal celebrations. Insisting that you are not related, and have your own life and your own special times, must seem rude, I guess, to those living in such a delusion. I wish they would wake up.
And let me say, being a Christian, that the way in which Santa/Jesus/Christmas are wildly and tastelessly overdone in school, in businesses, and all over the streets just sucks all the joy out of the season and makes me want to get it over with.
Daibhid C
The fun thing about my work’s “Christmas party” is that it generally takes place in November because it’s easier to book a venue then. I don’t know if that makes it better to non-Christmas-celebrators, but probably not.
Thankfully, they also don’t care much if you don’t go. (The people high up enough to actually believe “your team is like your family” are also so high up they’ve no idea if you’ve attended the Christmas party or not.)
Jerach
“Here we’re like a family. I’m going to constantly lord my authority over you and get mad if you think me ever doing anything positive towards you isn’t the most grand act of charity imaginable.”
Ymbrael
Remember: The owner of a company explicitly has certain contradictory material interests to its employees! You and your fellow workers may not be family, but that doesn’t mean you can’t find solidarity together along these material interests, even if you are diametrically opposed in other ways! If the boss says unionization is a bad idea (and you should just trust them like a family ?), it is their material interests talking, not yours!
“The bourgeoisie is blind to the concerns of the working class.”
-This message brought to you by Labor Union Akko
If by “catalog” you mean, “the little machine in my pocket automatically does all the registering and organizing of the world’s elementally attuned, mystical wild life, while I bully toddlers and the elderly alike, on my quest to take out the regions syndicate of organized crime”, then sure.
Yotomoe
Think of it more as, you’re gathering data. The pokedex knows what like…pokemon are but you meeting, battling them and catching them is what allows the pokedex to GAIN that information.
ie. It doesn’t know stuff like their height, weight, footprint or location range until you catch one, so I assume you’re actually assisting with that research in some way.
I mean probably! If the technology exists to create what are essentially pocket dimensions in which to carry your captured monsters, the very concept of the Pokeball, who knows what other kinds of technology can fit in the same space?
Given the Transformers can usually also occupy much less space in their vehicle forms, makes you wonder if Pokemon trainers have been using alien technology all along :p
SpaceDorf
Or if Transformers are very advanced Pokemons.
Starscream I choose you.
Devin
Steel type is right there
Mark
Aw, it’s just an everyday non-localized claudication, nothing mysterious at all.
Anon A Mouse
More than a few pokemon are canonically aliens, as well as mythical creatures, ghosts(both human and pokemon), and gods.
Psychie
Technically speaking pokeballs aren’t pocket dimensions, but the bags are. Pokemon are canonically able to convert themselves into an energy form, that energy that makes them up is called “infinity energy”. A pokeball is a device that is able to store that energy and convert it into data (hence why they can be stored in a computer). That’s why there are those beams of light in the anime when they exit and enter the balls. According to Legends Arceus pokemon are also able to use that infinity energy to shrink down to a very small size, so the old precursors to the modern pokeballs *do* physically contain them while they are in their smaller form. This shrinking and growing is also what causes pokemon to seemingly appear and disappear, when they aren’t visible it’s because they are shrunk down so small you can’t see them hiding behind the grass or rocks or whatever.
But the bags *are* fully functional pocket dimensions, made by Sylph Co. to be bigger on the inside. That’s why they can store an endless amount of stuff, even things that physically take up more space than the bag, like bicycles.
J.Gawain
I’ve subscribed to the headcanon that you are the one adding information into the Pokedex. Have you seen how batshit insane some of the entries are? They sound like a 10yo wrote them.
I know it’s too soon to speak, but I really hope Dorothy comes out of all of this triumphant.
clif
And by triumphant we mean president.
What? We have to get a good one eventually.
Devin
All else aside, if the comic continues to move at the same pace it is now, it’d take roughly three and a half centuries real time before we get to Dorothy being age-eligible for the presidency.
it’s a miracle some ppl have survived this long, mental issues aside, with all the garbage food in america and car/other accidents happening, i’m surprised more ppl don’t die off easily, some ppl even survive bullet wounds too
Grad school felt like that for me more than undergrad. Why I didn’t do as well. Having school therapist that could only see you once every 5 months due to high turnover and a lot of students didn’t help either. Some day I would like to finish that degree, but I worry that nothing will transfer.
Do finish it. I finally wrapped up my PhD just after turning 50. And there has ALWAYS been a grad student older than me, if that helps.
Orson Smelles
As a rather younger PhD dropout who spends a lot of time arguing with myself about when might be “too late” to go finish it… while it was reassuring that there were students in my cohort ~10 years older, I also know that the academic job market is uh, pretty ruthless about career tempo. Are you doing a postdoc or angling for a tenure-track position, or do you have different goals? I think I worry most about persevering through the rest of the degree and then finding out I’m only competitive to be an adjunct at the second satellite campus of Nowhere State School of Mines and Haberdashery, because the pool is full of 27-year-olds with five Nature publications.
Kimi
There is a lot of connections issues too, as no one wants to hire me because I don’t have connections in the area, but then I am over qualified even without my masters degree for other jobs. Makes it hard to get money to finish the degree. I just don’t want the years I put into it to be useless because I didn’t go back in time. The field I am in is invasive weeds (biology/ecology/environmental), but they tell me that they will only hire me for janitorial jobs in state parks because of the lack of connections (doing that would supposedly get me the connections according to them). To be honest, I wouldn’t mind being something like a paralegal for environmental law. I have been in a published paper, but only once, and that seems to more deter jobs out of the field than help me in the field. The whole, you won’t stay here because you have been published so we won’t hire you. The worst limbo.
I do hope Dorothy’s closer to a breakthrough than a breakdown, but I mean, we’ll see how it goes for her. I’m glad she’s talking to Amber, though, she does indeed notice these things.
Recently I have noticed certain positive aspects in Amber (I’m not a big fan of her), but if she is a possible option to help Dorothy…well, let’s see what happens.
amber would be good to talk to, idk if booster would get involved but amber would have a bit more personal experience compared to booster who’s only educationally knowledable about psych stuff tho i’m sure they’ve gone through stuff growing up too
I’m pretty sure she’s being facetious about “keeping the Sabbath” because she isn’t Jewish and has been quite vocal about her atheism in the past, iirc? (Unless I’m mistaking her with another character)
Dorothy is Jewish she mentioned it when talking to Robin about as soon as people find out she is Jewish and a woman on Twitter she is bombarded by hateful, sexist and anti Semitic comments. but she is an atheist but Judaism operates in that sort Grey ethno religious thing where people can declare they are culturally Jewish also she could have a Catholic mom or dad or Jewish mom or dad and still be considered Jewish by the reform and reconstructist Jewish denominations.
Dday
Conservative and orthodox too, so long as its your mom. Judaism is the religion of the Jews, the same way Shinto is the religion of the Japanese.
She has some Jewish ancestry, but doesn’t generally identify as Jewish or actively practice anything.
Dday
Jewishness isn’t so much an identity as an ethnicity with a religious entranceway. If you were born a Jew, you’re stuck that way regardless of your beliefs. Anyone could become a Jew, but then you’ve gotta learn the religion and the practices before its official.
Truth is, most Jews I’ve met aren’t religious people in general, maybe they like some of the holiday traditions but otherwise pretty secular.
UrsulaDavina
I respect your view that Jewishness is primarily seen as an ethnicity with religious ties, but it’s essential to acknowledge that Jewish identity can be quite diverse. While some may connect strongly with the religious aspects, many Jews, like myself, appreciate the cultural and secular traditions without considering it their ethnic identity. It’s a complex tapestry of identity within the Jewish community.
Leorale
“Religion = faith/belief” is actually an original Christian contribution to religious thought.
Belief is not how Jews define religion. We much more typically define religion as an identity (similar to a tribe), and/or relating to what practices you do.
There are tons of atheist Jews, it’s not a problem for us. You can’t lose your Judaism by changing your mind.
Dday
Personally, I don’t really call myself an atheist because I still practice some parts of Judaism and hold it sacred. But I don’t actually put faith in any metaphysical phenomena or believe that biblical law is morally compulsory on anyone, so I suppose an atheist would probably call me an atheist, heh
HueSatLight
you’ve said that several times, that a person stops being Christian by changing their mind, and that’s not at all how it happened for me. It’s not just like an identity or practices I decided to stop identifying as or stop doing. It’s a realization that I didn’t have the beliefs anymore.
and you keep saying that Christians invented the idea that religion = faith/belief, and that sounds like Christian propaganda to me. They got it from a Roman mystery religion. And with countless religions existing before that, I doubt it was a unique idea even then.
The idea that a person cannot stop being a member of a religion is abhorrent to me.
HueSatLight
” It’s a realization that I didn’t have the beliefs anymore.” I should add that it was also something I absolutely did not want at the time. I was desperate to keep believing. So “just changing your mind” is at a minimum incredibly ignorant and inaccurate. It’s like it came out of a Chick tract.
thejeff
Changing your mind is the wrong way to put it, since as you say it’s not really a conscious intentional process much of the time.
That said, the concept is basically right. Christianity has a very different approach than Judaism or known religions of antiquity. Might not be unique, but it certainly wasn’t the norm. The whole faith/belief leads to salvation thing wasn’t really part of pre-Christian religions. There were gods, everyone knew that, and they required sacrifices or ritual behaviors or the like to get or keep their favor. Belief wasn’t really relevant, just what you did.
Leorale
Fair enough. I’ll try to remember and retire that phrase — it doesn’t show respect for how very unwanted and painful that process can be for people. My apologies.
HueSatLight
“There were gods, everyone knew that”
Aristophanes and Diogenes must have been time travelers??
The poet who wrote, “The fool said in his heart, ‘There is no God’; they have dealt corruptly; they have committed abominable deeds; no one does good.” only accidentally described disbelief as impiety, probably just doing it phonetically.
No, I think you’re participating in the Christian hegemony. Also, Zoroastrianism is a “religion of antiquity”.
HueSatLight
Thank you, Leorale. And to clarify, because it does sound judgmental, the reason I find it abhorrent when apostasy isn’t respected is because of things like the Inquisition, or modern religious courts who claim authority over former adherents.
Dday
I agree actually, I guess I was just explaining the traditional way that it’s recognized. There are definitely people I know that wouldn’t fit the precise traditional definitions of Jewishness, but they are still a part of what you could call the Jewish cultural continuum.
I mean you can be a religious jew AND an atheist. I know because there’s atheist religious jews at my synagogue! 😀
But i do get what you mean, she’s also doesn’t seem to be religious and is a vocal atheist
Felgraf
And if anyone is confused by how there can be an atheist, religious Jewish person:
Christianity is, in general, an orthodoxic (right thought/belief) religion, concerned that you have the appropriate faith in god.
Judaism is, if I remember right, orthoPRAXIC (right action), more concerned with what you *do* than what you believe.
wwwhhattt
You get atheist Christians too. Some of them are even vicars
There are ways to be Jewish and also atheist. But she’s irreligious. Although probably some exposure to actual Judaism through a grandparent. https://www.dumbingofage.com/catholic/
166 thoughts on “Breakdowns”
Ana Chronistic
with no overtime pay, either, yikes
Nono
Is there at least a Christmas bonus?
Needfuldoer
You expect it to buy a swimming pool, but it’s really just a jelly-of-the-month club membership.
Angel
i mean, dorothy IS jewish…tho i wonder if anyone’s ever used that as an excuse to discriminate like “oh we know you don’t celebrate christmas so we excluded a christmas bonus”
Leorale
Generally discrimination for religious minorities around Christmas in America involves insisting that we celebrate your holidays.
The most impactful financially: requirements that we take unpaid time off for no dang reason in December. Getting cranky, refusing, or firing us for wanting time off for our own essential familial holidays (remember: our actually-important holidays aren’t in the winter).
The most impactful emotionally: Christmas and “””holiday””” parties often really suck for a lot of us. (We literally aren’t allowed to say so, or else we hate joy, aren’t team players, etc.)
And anything to do with santa and Jesus or Christmas in public schools is just awful.
Christmas can be your favorite thing, that’s totally fine!
But it probably really isn’t our thing, at all, and that ought to be way more OK.
Mark
Yeah, a lot of the people who run businesses and public institutions still have this quaint Victorian notion that the people they work with are their extended family and should cheerfully participate in their personal celebrations. Insisting that you are not related, and have your own life and your own special times, must seem rude, I guess, to those living in such a delusion. I wish they would wake up.
And let me say, being a Christian, that the way in which Santa/Jesus/Christmas are wildly and tastelessly overdone in school, in businesses, and all over the streets just sucks all the joy out of the season and makes me want to get it over with.
Daibhid C
The fun thing about my work’s “Christmas party” is that it generally takes place in November because it’s easier to book a venue then. I don’t know if that makes it better to non-Christmas-celebrators, but probably not.
Thankfully, they also don’t care much if you don’t go. (The people high up enough to actually believe “your team is like your family” are also so high up they’ve no idea if you’ve attended the Christmas party or not.)
Jerach
“Here we’re like a family. I’m going to constantly lord my authority over you and get mad if you think me ever doing anything positive towards you isn’t the most grand act of charity imaginable.”
Ymbrael
Remember: The owner of a company explicitly has certain contradictory material interests to its employees! You and your fellow workers may not be family, but that doesn’t mean you can’t find solidarity together along these material interests, even if you are diametrically opposed in other ways! If the boss says unionization is a bad idea (and you should just trust them like a family ?), it is their material interests talking, not yours!
“The bourgeoisie is blind to the concerns of the working class.”
-This message brought to you by Labor Union Akko
Pickman
No, being part of a miority was never used as a reason to discriminate ever. Especially being Jew.
Obligatory /s because people wil be people.
Schpoonman
Aw, jeez, Dotty.
Sirksome
You catalog pokemon, Amber? C’mon the games do that for you!
Ray Radlein
But not as well as Amber does
JessWitt
Catalog, sure. But organizing them in Boxes is a whole other ordeal.
Yotomoe
Technically speaking Professor Oak sends you out on your journey to catalogue pokemon so your actual first job is catalogue all of them.
Sirksome
If by “catalog” you mean, “the little machine in my pocket automatically does all the registering and organizing of the world’s elementally attuned, mystical wild life, while I bully toddlers and the elderly alike, on my quest to take out the regions syndicate of organized crime”, then sure.
Yotomoe
Think of it more as, you’re gathering data. The pokedex knows what like…pokemon are but you meeting, battling them and catching them is what allows the pokedex to GAIN that information.
ie. It doesn’t know stuff like their height, weight, footprint or location range until you catch one, so I assume you’re actually assisting with that research in some way.
NGPZ
I mean probably! If the technology exists to create what are essentially pocket dimensions in which to carry your captured monsters, the very concept of the Pokeball, who knows what other kinds of technology can fit in the same space?
Given the Transformers can usually also occupy much less space in their vehicle forms, makes you wonder if Pokemon trainers have been using alien technology all along :p
SpaceDorf
Or if Transformers are very advanced Pokemons.
Starscream I choose you.
Devin
Steel type is right there
Mark
Aw, it’s just an everyday non-localized claudication, nothing mysterious at all.
Anon A Mouse
More than a few pokemon are canonically aliens, as well as mythical creatures, ghosts(both human and pokemon), and gods.
Psychie
Technically speaking pokeballs aren’t pocket dimensions, but the bags are. Pokemon are canonically able to convert themselves into an energy form, that energy that makes them up is called “infinity energy”. A pokeball is a device that is able to store that energy and convert it into data (hence why they can be stored in a computer). That’s why there are those beams of light in the anime when they exit and enter the balls. According to Legends Arceus pokemon are also able to use that infinity energy to shrink down to a very small size, so the old precursors to the modern pokeballs *do* physically contain them while they are in their smaller form. This shrinking and growing is also what causes pokemon to seemingly appear and disappear, when they aren’t visible it’s because they are shrunk down so small you can’t see them hiding behind the grass or rocks or whatever.
But the bags *are* fully functional pocket dimensions, made by Sylph Co. to be bigger on the inside. That’s why they can store an endless amount of stuff, even things that physically take up more space than the bag, like bicycles.
J.Gawain
I’ve subscribed to the headcanon that you are the one adding information into the Pokedex. Have you seen how batshit insane some of the entries are? They sound like a 10yo wrote them.
NGPZ
Either that or the Pokemon Professors be experimenting with doses of Acid in their free time ?
Roborat
Well, that would explain why they send 10 year old kids out to wander the wilderness unsupervised and harass the wildlife.
Coatl
There is a long way to go
RassilonTDavros
I know, right? There are at least one hundred fifty, or more, to see!
Coatl
I know it’s too soon to speak, but I really hope Dorothy comes out of all of this triumphant.
clif
And by triumphant we mean president.
What? We have to get a good one eventually.
Devin
All else aside, if the comic continues to move at the same pace it is now, it’d take roughly three and a half centuries real time before we get to Dorothy being age-eligible for the presidency.
Mark
YES!
cbwroses
At least there’s a nice rap song to help with the first 150.
deliverything
Or the first 812, if you listen to Brian David Gilbert’s Perfect Pokérap:
https://youtu.be/rJTeVOOFMHM
Needfuldoer
It’s been a long road, getting from there to here.
True Survivor
Oh no… poor Dorothy.
NGPZ
??
Nono
Work is always existing, and existing is sometimes work.
Angel
it’s a miracle some ppl have survived this long, mental issues aside, with all the garbage food in america and car/other accidents happening, i’m surprised more ppl don’t die off easily, some ppl even survive bullet wounds too
RassilonTDavros
Yeah, Dorothy’s ringing a lot of bells lately re: my college experience.
Kimi
Grad school felt like that for me more than undergrad. Why I didn’t do as well. Having school therapist that could only see you once every 5 months due to high turnover and a lot of students didn’t help either. Some day I would like to finish that degree, but I worry that nothing will transfer.
elebenty
Do finish it. I finally wrapped up my PhD just after turning 50. And there has ALWAYS been a grad student older than me, if that helps.
Orson Smelles
As a rather younger PhD dropout who spends a lot of time arguing with myself about when might be “too late” to go finish it… while it was reassuring that there were students in my cohort ~10 years older, I also know that the academic job market is uh, pretty ruthless about career tempo. Are you doing a postdoc or angling for a tenure-track position, or do you have different goals? I think I worry most about persevering through the rest of the degree and then finding out I’m only competitive to be an adjunct at the second satellite campus of Nowhere State School of Mines and Haberdashery, because the pool is full of 27-year-olds with five Nature publications.
Kimi
There is a lot of connections issues too, as no one wants to hire me because I don’t have connections in the area, but then I am over qualified even without my masters degree for other jobs. Makes it hard to get money to finish the degree. I just don’t want the years I put into it to be useless because I didn’t go back in time. The field I am in is invasive weeds (biology/ecology/environmental), but they tell me that they will only hire me for janitorial jobs in state parks because of the lack of connections (doing that would supposedly get me the connections according to them). To be honest, I wouldn’t mind being something like a paralegal for environmental law. I have been in a published paper, but only once, and that seems to more deter jobs out of the field than help me in the field. The whole, you won’t stay here because you have been published so we won’t hire you. The worst limbo.
DailyBrad
That’s how it is sometimes.
I do hope Dorothy’s closer to a breakthrough than a breakdown, but I mean, we’ll see how it goes for her. I’m glad she’s talking to Amber, though, she does indeed notice these things.
Coatl
Recently I have noticed certain positive aspects in Amber (I’m not a big fan of her), but if she is a possible option to help Dorothy…well, let’s see what happens.
Angel
amber would be good to talk to, idk if booster would get involved but amber would have a bit more personal experience compared to booster who’s only educationally knowledable about psych stuff tho i’m sure they’ve gone through stuff growing up too
Steve C
Huh. Dorothy is Jewish? Seventh Day Adventist?
Crow
I thought she was Catholic, so this doesn’t make sense
Jon
Pretty sure one of her parents is Jewish? At least culturally so
Coatl
I understand that she is of Jewish descent.
Jo_cubstar
I’m pretty sure she’s being facetious about “keeping the Sabbath” because she isn’t Jewish and has been quite vocal about her atheism in the past, iirc? (Unless I’m mistaking her with another character)
UrsulaDavina
Dorothy is Jewish she mentioned it when talking to Robin about as soon as people find out she is Jewish and a woman on Twitter she is bombarded by hateful, sexist and anti Semitic comments. but she is an atheist but Judaism operates in that sort Grey ethno religious thing where people can declare they are culturally Jewish also she could have a Catholic mom or dad or Jewish mom or dad and still be considered Jewish by the reform and reconstructist Jewish denominations.
Dday
Conservative and orthodox too, so long as its your mom. Judaism is the religion of the Jews, the same way Shinto is the religion of the Japanese.
tim gueguen
Yeah, she’s an atheist. Which freaked Joyce out a bit when she found out.
Leorale
She has some Jewish ancestry, but doesn’t generally identify as Jewish or actively practice anything.
Dday
Jewishness isn’t so much an identity as an ethnicity with a religious entranceway. If you were born a Jew, you’re stuck that way regardless of your beliefs. Anyone could become a Jew, but then you’ve gotta learn the religion and the practices before its official.
Truth is, most Jews I’ve met aren’t religious people in general, maybe they like some of the holiday traditions but otherwise pretty secular.
UrsulaDavina
I respect your view that Jewishness is primarily seen as an ethnicity with religious ties, but it’s essential to acknowledge that Jewish identity can be quite diverse. While some may connect strongly with the religious aspects, many Jews, like myself, appreciate the cultural and secular traditions without considering it their ethnic identity. It’s a complex tapestry of identity within the Jewish community.
Leorale
“Religion = faith/belief” is actually an original Christian contribution to religious thought.
Belief is not how Jews define religion. We much more typically define religion as an identity (similar to a tribe), and/or relating to what practices you do.
There are tons of atheist Jews, it’s not a problem for us. You can’t lose your Judaism by changing your mind.
Dday
Personally, I don’t really call myself an atheist because I still practice some parts of Judaism and hold it sacred. But I don’t actually put faith in any metaphysical phenomena or believe that biblical law is morally compulsory on anyone, so I suppose an atheist would probably call me an atheist, heh
HueSatLight
you’ve said that several times, that a person stops being Christian by changing their mind, and that’s not at all how it happened for me. It’s not just like an identity or practices I decided to stop identifying as or stop doing. It’s a realization that I didn’t have the beliefs anymore.
and you keep saying that Christians invented the idea that religion = faith/belief, and that sounds like Christian propaganda to me. They got it from a Roman mystery religion. And with countless religions existing before that, I doubt it was a unique idea even then.
The idea that a person cannot stop being a member of a religion is abhorrent to me.
HueSatLight
” It’s a realization that I didn’t have the beliefs anymore.” I should add that it was also something I absolutely did not want at the time. I was desperate to keep believing. So “just changing your mind” is at a minimum incredibly ignorant and inaccurate. It’s like it came out of a Chick tract.
thejeff
Changing your mind is the wrong way to put it, since as you say it’s not really a conscious intentional process much of the time.
That said, the concept is basically right. Christianity has a very different approach than Judaism or known religions of antiquity. Might not be unique, but it certainly wasn’t the norm. The whole faith/belief leads to salvation thing wasn’t really part of pre-Christian religions. There were gods, everyone knew that, and they required sacrifices or ritual behaviors or the like to get or keep their favor. Belief wasn’t really relevant, just what you did.
Leorale
Fair enough. I’ll try to remember and retire that phrase — it doesn’t show respect for how very unwanted and painful that process can be for people. My apologies.
HueSatLight
“There were gods, everyone knew that”
Aristophanes and Diogenes must have been time travelers??
The poet who wrote, “The fool said in his heart, ‘There is no God’; they have dealt corruptly; they have committed abominable deeds; no one does good.” only accidentally described disbelief as impiety, probably just doing it phonetically.
No, I think you’re participating in the Christian hegemony. Also, Zoroastrianism is a “religion of antiquity”.
HueSatLight
Thank you, Leorale. And to clarify, because it does sound judgmental, the reason I find it abhorrent when apostasy isn’t respected is because of things like the Inquisition, or modern religious courts who claim authority over former adherents.
Dday
I agree actually, I guess I was just explaining the traditional way that it’s recognized. There are definitely people I know that wouldn’t fit the precise traditional definitions of Jewishness, but they are still a part of what you could call the Jewish cultural continuum.
FlamestAndLight
I mean you can be a religious jew AND an atheist. I know because there’s atheist religious jews at my synagogue! 😀
But i do get what you mean, she’s also doesn’t seem to be religious and is a vocal atheist
Felgraf
And if anyone is confused by how there can be an atheist, religious Jewish person:
Christianity is, in general, an orthodoxic (right thought/belief) religion, concerned that you have the appropriate faith in god.
Judaism is, if I remember right, orthoPRAXIC (right action), more concerned with what you *do* than what you believe.
wwwhhattt
You get atheist Christians too. Some of them are even vicars
HueSatLight
There are ways to be Jewish and also atheist. But she’s irreligious. Although probably some exposure to actual Judaism through a grandparent. https://www.dumbingofage.com/catholic/
Oz
She’s a Jewish Atheist. Non-religious though some Jewish Atheists do keep Sabbath and stuff.
Now I wonder if Dorothy’s family/sinagogue would agree with playing videogames on sabbath or if it’s forbidden because it require pressing buttons….
thejeff
Her parents aren’t religious, so I doubt they would care. I doubt she has a synagogue.