The flashback panels are shaded blue because they are always sad. Let’s see how this goes from “oh no, baby Jennifer is a little neglected” to “Oh my god, why can’t Willis let a single character have a happy childhood?”
Not also Sierra? She seems happy, almost happy-go-lucky, and her parents really care for her.
zee
Well she grew up some flavor of ND and children are evil so, speaking from experience even with good parents she was probably bullied as a kid. I mean literally everyone is. Some of her teachers might not have been great either
Are you kidding? She had the biggest trauma of all of them, when she found out that dinosaurs are supposed to have feathers, and that she was lied to for her entire life by everyone around her.
someone
Is it a lie if it’s mistaken information? To me, a lie is an intent to deceive or mislead. That’s why you can lie even while telling the truth (e.g. lie by omission). Since people genuinely believed for a loooong while that dinosaurs to be featherless like modern lizards (they’re named “dread lizards” after all, not “dread birds”, that’d have been “dinornis” I suppose), it was not a lie, but a mistake.
And well, one shouldn’t assume that all dinosaurs were feathered. We know from fossils that scaly dinosaurs were a thing, too. Like the allosaurus for instance. Could they have had both scales and feathers? It’s not ruled out, but there are no known evidence for it yet.
well i think she did first say waaay back then that her parents just gave her money instead of affection (i mean tbh i would’ve preferred that myself /shot)
Statistically at least some of the people who ship all the marginalized folks another town over are probably decent parents
Or at least present ones
Pilgrim
In my experience it’s the people who are thoroughly convinced of their own goodness who are most likely to commit evil — for the greater good, of course.
Sierra, Carla, Dorothy, Dina, Mike except for teachers, pretty sure what’s her face that’s Walkys current gf, and pretty sure the Mandy’s are all safe. Walky got golden childed and is only just now seeing the harm. There’s definitely neutral too.
I don’t know. I like that Charles’s problem is his apathy and lack of real interest, it makes an intriguing and believable antagonistic character. I think that a lot of the evil in the world, and lot of the bad parenting, arise not because individuals are malicious but simply unwilling to confront the problems around them or interact meaningfully with their kids. Charles exemplifies that, I believe.
Also he is a grown man in sweat pants and an unzipped hoody walking his far better dressed children to the bus stop. You have to admire that level of dedication to not caring.
I don’t even think Charles is apathetic. I think Charles has a much worse problem of actively ignoring there’s any problems whatsoever and dedicating himself to believing life is good.
After all, he did worry about how much Marcie’s surgery was going to cost to look it up.
True Survivor
Good point. Willis does seem to have a bone to pick with blind optimism (That outlook certainty hurt Joyce or those around her in the past) so it makes sense the author would go that route.
Seventh-Sandwich
Dunno if looking up Marcie’s surgery cost really counts as a point in his favour. Children getting injured is a pretty universal “Oh shit” moment, he’d have to be downright evil to not care about something like that. Even then, it’s not like he did anything active to help her, not even something as simple as stopping his wife from taking Sal’s savings.
C.T. Phipps
Actually, we know that both his wife and the school principle immediately stopped giving a shit about Marcie’s traumatic injury the moment they found out she was undocumented.
BBCC
Did we ever get confirmation on that? I know Charles googled it but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are – he could very well be assuming (especially given the Walkerton’s issues).
C.T. Phipps
I mean the Principle of Sal’s school said it first.
Yumi
He said she might be. The question is if we ever got confirmation that Marcie is undocumented.
BBCC
What Yumi said.
Sirksome
I honestly think it’s more interesting if we never know for sure. A detail like that is relatively insignificant to the plot of the story so far, so unless we get a long Marcie centric storyline, the mystery is more intriguing. Maybe Marcie and her family are completely legal citizens, (and in a very on brand for the adults in this comic action), the teacher made a really shitty assumption of a minority, because it was a bigger priority to protect the rich white kid.
I personally think Marcie’s probably a dreamer or even just born here a full citizen no questions asked.
BBCC
That’s not what Charles looked up. He looked up whether or not ‘illegal immigrants’ (a word choice that’s only going to get more of an eyebrow with the sliding timescale) could get health insurance. One implies more concern than the other.
C.T. Phipps
Yeah, it implies “dangerous naivety” like Billie has.
Walky also apparently inherited the inability to tie shoes from him. Although I will say I’d probably be the sweatpants dad if I had children. Like if I ain’t gotta work that day why should I be dressing up? Cause I’m an “adult”? That’s one of the perks of adulthood, you get to dress how you want on your time off. Of course that assumes Charles even has a job. He actually gives off strong male-wife energy.
True Survivor
I just figured that as it is a bus stop, all his kid’s friends parents would be there and he would want to make a good impression. I agree its unfair and unpractical – we should all have the right to one day enter a cocoon of ancient college basketball team sweatshirts and emerge in our true form as sweat-pants parents, resplendent in our comfort and secret lack of undergarments.
khn0
It may have to do with the sliding timescale, and tying shoes not being a 2008 parents’ thing. Heck I could have been a dad then, and not a very young one, and I don’t like to tie my shoes. I just don’t own any sweatpant, that around that time were also not giving a “social loser” vibe anymore…
GeekyWarrior
I agree with you about Charles. I mean my mom was dressed pretty casually as she was focused on getting us kids ready, not really giving a crap what other parents were doing. Now Linda would very likely find offense with his attire as she did care about putting on airs.
What is more interesting is the way Walky and Sal are dressed. Walky appears to be casual already with some sort of short sleeved hoodie? (Hard to tell with the blue) and Sal is dressed like a model school child.
I would be willing to bet Linda helped Walky and Sal get ready. And Linda’s shit is starting already with Sal having to be the perfect princess while Walky gets to be a kid.
At the risk of Godwinning a thread, there’s a reason why Hannah Arendt called evil banal in her book _Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil_.
C.T. Phipps
Oddly, I read a Jewish rebuttal of the “banality of evil” thing saying that it demeaned the Nazis crimes to say that they weren’t incredibly horrible crazy people. They just got called boring bureaucrats because that was their attempted defense and it caught on.
Thag Simmons
Yeah a lot of Nazis were decidedly not banal in their evil, besides being able to present as banal
khn0
Godwinnning or Godwining?I recently read a book about how nazi management generally evilly overdid what they were asked to, not just bc of apathy (there is a chapter of Hans-Jürgen Massaquoi’s book about how it was to be black in nazi germany saying that his communist Viertel couldn’t do shit against nazi repression), but also bc the general idea of managing resources that way lead to a performance culture that didn’t took into account what was real/the point as long as you got passed the objective given.
I’m not sure why the sweatpants thing is a problem for you. I wore shorts and t shirts when I walked my kids to elementary school (it was only about 2 blocks), while they were “better dressed”. They had a school dress code and had to be at school pretty early, while I didn’t and didn’t need to get to work early. (Even 30 or 40 years ago, jeans and a t shirt and getting to work at 11 were fine at tech startups, at least in south Florida.) Hard to see how that equates to not caring. That’s not to say he did, just that this wasn’t necessarily an indication.
Taffy
Yeah, there’s really no reason he should need to wear a suit and tie to stand at a bus stop with his kids. Getting them on the bus without injury is a little more important than “looking good” at 7am. Any other parents who’d get all uppity about it, well they weren’t worth impressing anyhow, so who cares?
BBCC
Yeah, the Walkertons have never been particularly fancy dressers honestly. Linda’s usually happy in a sweater and jeans.
Taffy
Ah, but it’s a tasteful sweater and jeans. A proper suburban housewife sweater and jeans, you see. Because she’s respectable and doesn’t make a scene, you see.
218 thoughts on “Butt butt bus”
Ana Chronistic
Walky’s a butting genius here
a practical renASSance man
The Wellerman
???
???
Quite the challenge / pleasure being born with butts disease, huh Willis?
King Daniel
DON’T STOP BILLIE-VING
HOLD ON TO THAT JENNIFER-LING
fridge_logic
I love this so much!
Though I think the second line could roll oh so delightfully with:
HOLD ON TO THAT JENNIFEELING
Acher4
STOPSIGN, PEOPLE!!!
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMPK!
Taffy
Tiny Sal is adorable.
True Survivor
They are all adorable when their tiny – just alligators and sharks.
Thag Simmons
Always has been
ThunderNight
Small Sal
King Daniel
Smal
True Survivor
Thank you. This made me laugh.
Taffy
The Smallkerton twins
Suet
He sure has retained that word too much
My, what a peppy entrance
RassilonTDavros
YOU SHOULD HAVE BUSED HIM WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE, CHARLES
True Survivor
The flashback panels are shaded blue because they are always sad. Let’s see how this goes from “oh no, baby Jennifer is a little neglected” to “Oh my god, why can’t Willis let a single character have a happy childhood?”
The Wellerman
What you reckon the odds are that Dina’s childhood has at least a little heartbreak?
Thag Simmons
Dina is the one Dumbing of Age character allowed to have a happy childhood with not-evil parents
RassilonTDavros
I mean, Dorothy’s seemed to be mostly okay. Aside from Danny’s mom apparently being creepy around her, though I can’t find the specific strip.
The Wellerman
It’s not the good creepy, is it? ?
Clif
Define good creepy. Please. Because those are words I have trouble parsing together.
The Wellerman
Like the kind of energy you get from goths or emos. And basically every animatronic in FNAF.
drs
Addams Family.
Tan
Please know that, per a fair and neutral judging, you have won this argument.
The Wellerman
Thanks SO MUCH for reminding me the old version of this existed!!!!!
Needfuldoer
60s TV series Gomez and Morticia are a relationship goal.
thejeff
Definition of good creepy aside, no, this was very much not good creepy
Thag Simmons
True. Definitely upper end of the scale
RassilonTDavros
Several days late, but here’s the strip I was talking about, re: Dorothy.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/03-when-god-closes-the-door/prepaid/
ValdVin
Not also Sierra? She seems happy, almost happy-go-lucky, and her parents really care for her.
zee
Well she grew up some flavor of ND and children are evil so, speaking from experience even with good parents she was probably bullied as a kid. I mean literally everyone is. Some of her teachers might not have been great either
King Daniel
Dina’s moment of childhood heartbreak was when she learned that it is, in fact, impossible to break causality without also breaking the universe.
Matthew E Davis
One time her parents did not let her watch Jurassic Park and she could not find the words to express her displeasure.
Thag Simmons
One time her dad called Dimetrodon a Dinosaur
Taffy
He also pronounced it “DIME-tro-don”, like the coin.
Ob
Are you kidding? She had the biggest trauma of all of them, when she found out that dinosaurs are supposed to have feathers, and that she was lied to for her entire life by everyone around her.
someone
Is it a lie if it’s mistaken information? To me, a lie is an intent to deceive or mislead. That’s why you can lie even while telling the truth (e.g. lie by omission). Since people genuinely believed for a loooong while that dinosaurs to be featherless like modern lizards (they’re named “dread lizards” after all, not “dread birds”, that’d have been “dinornis” I suppose), it was not a lie, but a mistake.
And well, one shouldn’t assume that all dinosaurs were feathered. We know from fossils that scaly dinosaurs were a thing, too. Like the allosaurus for instance. Could they have had both scales and feathers? It’s not ruled out, but there are no known evidence for it yet.
Opus the Poet
Birds have both feathers and scaly feet, so yeah, it’s a thing.
anon
well i think she did first say waaay back then that her parents just gave her money instead of affection (i mean tbh i would’ve preferred that myself /shot)
Thag Simmons
And I’m guessing Nina couldn’t pick up the slack, although s’probably not fair to expect her to
C.T. Phipps
Baby Jennifer’s dad wasn’t neglectful! He sent all of the homeless people in town to be execu….err, put on a farm upstate.
Just for her!
Thag Simmons
Statistically at least some of the people who ship all the marginalized folks another town over are probably decent parents
Or at least present ones
Pilgrim
In my experience it’s the people who are thoroughly convinced of their own goodness who are most likely to commit evil — for the greater good, of course.
misanthropope
watch the fuck out for capital-g “Good”
Ana Chronistic
Carla’s was pretty happy
behind a payall tho
Thag Simmons
She had good parents but it still sounds like it was rough. Plus, this comic and this comic read to me like Carla’s transition was part of a major and relatively high-profile legal battle.
Seregiel
Sierra, Carla, Dorothy, Dina, Mike except for teachers, pretty sure what’s her face that’s Walkys current gf, and pretty sure the Mandy’s are all safe. Walky got golden childed and is only just now seeing the harm. There’s definitely neutral too.
Sirksome
Good to see Charles being an absolute mid yet again. Like I would even prefer him to be more unlikeable instead of the complete nothing he is.
True Survivor
I don’t know. I like that Charles’s problem is his apathy and lack of real interest, it makes an intriguing and believable antagonistic character. I think that a lot of the evil in the world, and lot of the bad parenting, arise not because individuals are malicious but simply unwilling to confront the problems around them or interact meaningfully with their kids. Charles exemplifies that, I believe.
Also he is a grown man in sweat pants and an unzipped hoody walking his far better dressed children to the bus stop. You have to admire that level of dedication to not caring.
C.T. Phipps
I don’t even think Charles is apathetic. I think Charles has a much worse problem of actively ignoring there’s any problems whatsoever and dedicating himself to believing life is good.
After all, he did worry about how much Marcie’s surgery was going to cost to look it up.
True Survivor
Good point. Willis does seem to have a bone to pick with blind optimism (That outlook certainty hurt Joyce or those around her in the past) so it makes sense the author would go that route.
Seventh-Sandwich
Dunno if looking up Marcie’s surgery cost really counts as a point in his favour. Children getting injured is a pretty universal “Oh shit” moment, he’d have to be downright evil to not care about something like that. Even then, it’s not like he did anything active to help her, not even something as simple as stopping his wife from taking Sal’s savings.
C.T. Phipps
Actually, we know that both his wife and the school principle immediately stopped giving a shit about Marcie’s traumatic injury the moment they found out she was undocumented.
BBCC
Did we ever get confirmation on that? I know Charles googled it but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are – he could very well be assuming (especially given the Walkerton’s issues).
C.T. Phipps
I mean the Principle of Sal’s school said it first.
Yumi
He said she might be. The question is if we ever got confirmation that Marcie is undocumented.
BBCC
What Yumi said.
Sirksome
I honestly think it’s more interesting if we never know for sure. A detail like that is relatively insignificant to the plot of the story so far, so unless we get a long Marcie centric storyline, the mystery is more intriguing. Maybe Marcie and her family are completely legal citizens, (and in a very on brand for the adults in this comic action), the teacher made a really shitty assumption of a minority, because it was a bigger priority to protect the rich white kid.
I personally think Marcie’s probably a dreamer or even just born here a full citizen no questions asked.
BBCC
That’s not what Charles looked up. He looked up whether or not ‘illegal immigrants’ (a word choice that’s only going to get more of an eyebrow with the sliding timescale) could get health insurance. One implies more concern than the other.
C.T. Phipps
Yeah, it implies “dangerous naivety” like Billie has.
Sirksome
Walky also apparently inherited the inability to tie shoes from him. Although I will say I’d probably be the sweatpants dad if I had children. Like if I ain’t gotta work that day why should I be dressing up? Cause I’m an “adult”? That’s one of the perks of adulthood, you get to dress how you want on your time off. Of course that assumes Charles even has a job. He actually gives off strong male-wife energy.
True Survivor
I just figured that as it is a bus stop, all his kid’s friends parents would be there and he would want to make a good impression. I agree its unfair and unpractical – we should all have the right to one day enter a cocoon of ancient college basketball team sweatshirts and emerge in our true form as sweat-pants parents, resplendent in our comfort and secret lack of undergarments.
khn0
It may have to do with the sliding timescale, and tying shoes not being a 2008 parents’ thing. Heck I could have been a dad then, and not a very young one, and I don’t like to tie my shoes. I just don’t own any sweatpant, that around that time were also not giving a “social loser” vibe anymore…
GeekyWarrior
I agree with you about Charles. I mean my mom was dressed pretty casually as she was focused on getting us kids ready, not really giving a crap what other parents were doing. Now Linda would very likely find offense with his attire as she did care about putting on airs.
What is more interesting is the way Walky and Sal are dressed. Walky appears to be casual already with some sort of short sleeved hoodie? (Hard to tell with the blue) and Sal is dressed like a model school child.
I would be willing to bet Linda helped Walky and Sal get ready. And Linda’s shit is starting already with Sal having to be the perfect princess while Walky gets to be a kid.
Matthew E Davis
At the risk of Godwinning a thread, there’s a reason why Hannah Arendt called evil banal in her book _Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil_.
C.T. Phipps
Oddly, I read a Jewish rebuttal of the “banality of evil” thing saying that it demeaned the Nazis crimes to say that they weren’t incredibly horrible crazy people. They just got called boring bureaucrats because that was their attempted defense and it caught on.
Thag Simmons
Yeah a lot of Nazis were decidedly not banal in their evil, besides being able to present as banal
khn0
Godwinnning or Godwining?I recently read a book about how nazi management generally evilly overdid what they were asked to, not just bc of apathy (there is a chapter of Hans-Jürgen Massaquoi’s book about how it was to be black in nazi germany saying that his communist Viertel couldn’t do shit against nazi repression), but also bc the general idea of managing resources that way lead to a performance culture that didn’t took into account what was real/the point as long as you got passed the objective given.
Otl1973
I’m not sure why the sweatpants thing is a problem for you. I wore shorts and t shirts when I walked my kids to elementary school (it was only about 2 blocks), while they were “better dressed”. They had a school dress code and had to be at school pretty early, while I didn’t and didn’t need to get to work early. (Even 30 or 40 years ago, jeans and a t shirt and getting to work at 11 were fine at tech startups, at least in south Florida.) Hard to see how that equates to not caring. That’s not to say he did, just that this wasn’t necessarily an indication.
Taffy
Yeah, there’s really no reason he should need to wear a suit and tie to stand at a bus stop with his kids. Getting them on the bus without injury is a little more important than “looking good” at 7am. Any other parents who’d get all uppity about it, well they weren’t worth impressing anyhow, so who cares?
BBCC
Yeah, the Walkertons have never been particularly fancy dressers honestly. Linda’s usually happy in a sweater and jeans.
Taffy
Ah, but it’s a tasteful sweater and jeans. A proper suburban housewife sweater and jeans, you see. Because she’s respectable and doesn’t make a scene, you see.
drs
I don’t see the kids as “much better dressed”. Especially Walky.
thejeff
I was thinking that we can see where Walky got his style from.
DudeMyDadOwnsADealership