Again, kinda. The theory still exists, but it’s not really very popular anymore. As you said, most paleontologists don’t support it. But, still, the theory exists, so…kinda.
Nezumi
Actually, even with that, Triceratops wouldn’t be in limbo. It’s the senior classification, so Torosaurus would be in limbo, without pressing cause otherwise. It’s just that no-one knew what a Torosaurus was, so spinning that around and muddling the issue made more people read the story.
Appalachiosaurus
Even if Triceratops is a younger Torosaurus, Triceratops would keep its name because it got described first. Trust me, Triceratops is going nowhere.
Roborat
Well of course not, they are all dead.
insomniac
Zing!
But yeah, if the “juvinile torosaurus” theory turns out to be right, that means torosaurus gets booted from the taxonomy and triceratops stays.
Well, if your little siblings are bigger than you, and they don’t get to be planets, it has a habit of getting you kicked out of the planetary bachelor- at least, for that season.
Doctor_Who
Oh come on, like the baby of the family doesn’t always get spoiled.
But we’re flying by Pluto in like two weeks! And it’s going to be awesome!
DeusExCeteri
Meh, Ceres is cooler, first Dwarf Planet to be observed by a man-made satellite, closer to Earth than Pluto, isn’t so insecure about it’s dwarf-planethood that it needs sixty moons to keep it company.
Step up your game, “A Scientist”, if that even IS your real name.
JWLM
Meh. Ceres didn’t have the spheres to leave the warmth of the sun and chance the outer darkness, clinging desperately to an orbit in which Sol rises and falls, casting heat on its surface. Pluto has been willing to plow through the dark and cold in a horrid realm where the is no dawn.
Ceres is so insecure that it insisted that all its satellites be small and subservient, dwarfed by the body which owns them. Pluto willingly shares its orbit with a satellite almost as big as it is itself, revolving eternally around a point well outside itself.
Pluto rocks the whole ninth rock around the sun sweepestakes.
ə snow ʍouse
It’s funny how you’re arguing about whether Persephone’s mom or husband is cooler.
(Did she have a different name in Roman mythology? I dunno. It’s all stolen from Greek anyway.)
DeusExCeteri
*tenth rock
A Scientist
In the other hand, the near-resonant orbits Pluto shares with its moons, the effect on those moons’ s shapes and rotations, and Pluto’s own intricate orbital resonance with Neptune are fascinating. Ceres does have that giant mountain and those cool bright spots to its credit, though.
Halloween Jack
Yeah, once we discover that Charon is really a mass relay, we can get our asses to Mars, excavate the Prothean ruins, start building the space navy, and hopefully make more progress on the Crucible before the Reapers arrive.
He’s not a sailor. He has the sailor crystal of earth, but he can’t use it, because only girls can be sailor senshi.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
**points at his Tuxedo, Mask, and Rose** Pretty sure he IS using it. Just not to his full potential. Which is too bad – we could use more gender-shifting senshi.
You’re thinking of the Sailor Starlights. Also, they were always chicks and in senshi mode on their home planet. So technically the “transformation” was into human males when they arrived on Earth, the canon explanation being that they were looking for their princess who had a very specific scent and males have a better sense of smell than females so they somehow magically became human males. *shrugs*
Kryss LaBryn
But… females have a better sense of smell than males.
(There is probably something wrong with me when that’s the part that unsuspends my disbelief, lol)
Nezumi
In the manga, they just dressed and passed themselves off as men for… reasons I’m not clear on. The whole transformation bit was for the anime, because apparently outright female crossdressing was considered inappropriate.
Nezumi
There are a lot of anime/manga changes, but SuperS and Stars are probably the worst-hit. Chaos was a lot more important in the manga, Galaxia had a totally different origin, and the Sailor Animamates were ordinary soldiers who were given artificial sailor powers for betraying their Senshi/Guardians to Galaxia and her minions, which was the reason for the metallic theme naming and their lack of being named after celestial bodies of any sort.
No, it’s still a dwarf-planet, which is separate from the category of planets.
Captain Reynolds
Actually, NASA reclassified it as a planet. Nobody else agrees.
3oranges
Are we sure? There are some people at NASA who disagreed with it, but their website still calls Pluto a dwarf planet.
JWLM
No — the IAS has the final say. Individuals can (and do) argue about whether the IAS was right or wrong, but, right now, Pluto is a dwarf planet.
(FWIW, the IAS was right. Pluto hasn’t cleared its orbit of Charon, much less of other significant objects. It’s not a planet, but a dwarf planet.)
drs
I found an article about planetary scientists sniffing that Pluto was always a planet to them, just like any round body.
Which would make the Moon a planet. And Io and Titan etc. It’s actually a fine definition for geology purposes, being big enough for self-gravitation to make you round is when interesting stuff starts happening, but you’ll have to accept there being something like 30 planets, including the Moon.
Hm, but the moon doesn’t directly orbit around the sun.
(tho that logic is a bit of a pain when it comes to double planets like the pluyton-charon system)
JWLM
Wellll…yes and no. The center of mass of the Earth-Moon system is within the Earth, so that’s planet-like, but the orbit of the Moon is always concave towards the sun, so that’s quite un-planet-like. Earth-Moon is unique, so we have to make a choice, and given Earth’s size — and the inconsequential fact that we live here — we call it a planet-moon system, not a binary dwarf-planet system.
It would probably be accurate to refer to Earth-Moon as a binary planet. Each of the two objects is in hydrostatic equilibrium, and they’ve cleared their joint orbit, so the system as a whole is unquestionably planetary. Given that Mercury has cleared its orbit and has a mass only five times that of the Moon, it seems plausible that Luna would have cleared its orbit if Terra weren’t here, which would make it a planet in its own right.
That would make Terra-Luna the most fascinating possible system: a binary planet.
Ignorance is only bliss if you are ignorant about your ignorance.
JustCheetoDust
I was going for sarcasm, but I do agree with the saying on occasion whenever politics are involved.
HiEv
The actual quote is, “where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.” So it isn’t even saying that ignorance is always bliss, just that sometimes it is.
The main selling point with conservatism is the desire not to have things change too much and that attribute tends to become more appealing to old folk, hence why people turn conservative as they get older.
Incomitatus
I was a conservative when I was younger. Now I’m a progressive Monarchist. So… something went terribly wrong.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
I’m conservative too. Actually, I tend to feel that the Conservative party aren’t conservative enough. (Ironically, as the Conservative party are currently in power here in the UK).
Then again, I’m also in favour of taking powers away from our generally somewhat-inept governments and giving them back to the Crown, so…
I was conservative when I was younger too, but if think that was mostly because my parents and pretty much every other adult I knew were conservative. I wasn’t entirely aware that there was another way to be until late in high school.
But I live (both then and now) in an area where if your politics are anything but ultra-strict-religious-right-conservative, you generally keep it to yourself. So, as a kid and teen I wasn’t aware of more liberal stances because if they’re talked about at all, they’re talked about as a negative thing to the point of absurdity.
Then in high school I gradually became more and more liberal. I’m 32 now and I still find myself on the left side of almost every political issue that I read about. I’ve become the oddball black sheep in my extended family, and that’s if I’m not just an outright pariah. And I can’t say it bothers me much.
I’ve also read before that people are supposed to get more religious/faithful as they get older, but again, the opposite is true for me. I’ve gone from being a fairly devout believer as a child and teen, to having no religion at all now.
TPman
I wonder about that. Do people tend to get more religious with age, or are people from older generations more religious?
Being conservative and believing the Bible at its literal word are slightly different if sometimes overlapping systems of belief. I’d draw a diagram, but you know, text boxes and all.
Oh believe me, they’re different. I’m very conservative (to the point of eschewing the Conservatives in favour of the more conservative UKIP), but I’m also a strict Atheist.
Not all conservatives are fundies. I’m not one, just saying. And I still think that scientists had nothing better to do that day than decide that Pluto wasn’t really a planet…
Actually, I’m pretty sure it was more that a better definition of planet was needed because so many things that could fit into the category of planet had been found that it would have been ridiculously unwieldy as a category if not redefined. Pluto is smaller than some of the other dwarf planets anyway.
Yesss, YESSSSS!!! Let the knowledge gained by repeated experimentation through the manipulation of independent variables within a controlled environment FLOW through you!
448 thoughts on “Buzzed”
Jen Aside
sucks to be conservative, huh
Jen Aside
also Brontosaurus came back, but Pluto’s still voted off the planet island
otusasio451
Triceratops is still kinda in limbo, though. Kinda.
Kelly
I don’t think all that many paleontologists really subscribe to the juvenile theory.
otusasio451
Again, kinda. The theory still exists, but it’s not really very popular anymore. As you said, most paleontologists don’t support it. But, still, the theory exists, so…kinda.
Nezumi
Actually, even with that, Triceratops wouldn’t be in limbo. It’s the senior classification, so Torosaurus would be in limbo, without pressing cause otherwise. It’s just that no-one knew what a Torosaurus was, so spinning that around and muddling the issue made more people read the story.
Appalachiosaurus
Even if Triceratops is a younger Torosaurus, Triceratops would keep its name because it got described first. Trust me, Triceratops is going nowhere.
Roborat
Well of course not, they are all dead.
insomniac
Zing!
But yeah, if the “juvinile torosaurus” theory turns out to be right, that means torosaurus gets booted from the taxonomy and triceratops stays.
Nezumi
And you beat me to it. By nearly a year.
bananarama
Well, if your little siblings are bigger than you, and they don’t get to be planets, it has a habit of getting you kicked out of the planetary bachelor- at least, for that season.
Doctor_Who
Oh come on, like the baby of the family doesn’t always get spoiled.
A Scientist
But we’re flying by Pluto in like two weeks! And it’s going to be awesome!
DeusExCeteri
Meh, Ceres is cooler, first Dwarf Planet to be observed by a man-made satellite, closer to Earth than Pluto, isn’t so insecure about it’s dwarf-planethood that it needs sixty moons to keep it company.
Step up your game, “A Scientist”, if that even IS your real name.
JWLM
Meh. Ceres didn’t have the spheres to leave the warmth of the sun and chance the outer darkness, clinging desperately to an orbit in which Sol rises and falls, casting heat on its surface. Pluto has been willing to plow through the dark and cold in a horrid realm where the is no dawn.
Ceres is so insecure that it insisted that all its satellites be small and subservient, dwarfed by the body which owns them. Pluto willingly shares its orbit with a satellite almost as big as it is itself, revolving eternally around a point well outside itself.
Pluto rocks the whole ninth rock around the sun sweepestakes.
ə snow ʍouse
It’s funny how you’re arguing about whether Persephone’s mom or husband is cooler.
(Did she have a different name in Roman mythology? I dunno. It’s all stolen from Greek anyway.)
DeusExCeteri
*tenth rock
A Scientist
In the other hand, the near-resonant orbits Pluto shares with its moons, the effect on those moons’ s shapes and rotations, and Pluto’s own intricate orbital resonance with Neptune are fascinating. Ceres does have that giant mountain and those cool bright spots to its credit, though.
Halloween Jack
Yeah, once we discover that Charon is really a mass relay, we can get our asses to Mars, excavate the Prothean ruins, start building the space navy, and hopefully make more progress on the Crucible before the Reapers arrive.
…what?
nothri
Screw you. Pluto gave her life so that the past and future could be saved. She’s more of a planet than all the Senshi combined.
William
As we all know ,the Senshi are all named after planets, like the moon.
Darkoneko
Did they ever get a sailor Earth, anyway ?
Time Sage
Yes. His name is Tuxedo Kamen
(This is not a joke)
nooB
He’s not a sailor. He has the sailor crystal of earth, but he can’t use it, because only girls can be sailor senshi.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
**points at his Tuxedo, Mask, and Rose** Pretty sure he IS using it. Just not to his full potential. Which is too bad – we could use more gender-shifting senshi.
Dragon_Nataku
You’re thinking of the Sailor Starlights. Also, they were always chicks and in senshi mode on their home planet. So technically the “transformation” was into human males when they arrived on Earth, the canon explanation being that they were looking for their princess who had a very specific scent and males have a better sense of smell than females so they somehow magically became human males. *shrugs*
Kryss LaBryn
But… females have a better sense of smell than males.
(There is probably something wrong with me when that’s the part that unsuspends my disbelief, lol)
Nezumi
In the manga, they just dressed and passed themselves off as men for… reasons I’m not clear on. The whole transformation bit was for the anime, because apparently outright female crossdressing was considered inappropriate.
Nezumi
There are a lot of anime/manga changes, but SuperS and Stars are probably the worst-hit. Chaos was a lot more important in the manga, Galaxia had a totally different origin, and the Sailor Animamates were ordinary soldiers who were given artificial sailor powers for betraying their Senshi/Guardians to Galaxia and her minions, which was the reason for the metallic theme naming and their lack of being named after celestial bodies of any sort.
Darkoneko
…what 🙂
drs
And Ceres.
And “Star Fighter”.
Nezumi
Ceres, Juno, Pallas, and Vesta. All the large asteroids that were once classified as planets.
Roborat
Well, except for the ones that weren’t. One was named for the galaxy.
Aeron
Planet Island is a fantasy novel I would definitely read.
ozzi
Actually Pluto is a planet again.
Khantalas
No, it’s still a dwarf-planet, which is separate from the category of planets.
Captain Reynolds
Actually, NASA reclassified it as a planet. Nobody else agrees.
3oranges
Are we sure? There are some people at NASA who disagreed with it, but their website still calls Pluto a dwarf planet.
JWLM
No — the IAS has the final say. Individuals can (and do) argue about whether the IAS was right or wrong, but, right now, Pluto is a dwarf planet.
(FWIW, the IAS was right. Pluto hasn’t cleared its orbit of Charon, much less of other significant objects. It’s not a planet, but a dwarf planet.)
drs
I found an article about planetary scientists sniffing that Pluto was always a planet to them, just like any round body.
Which would make the Moon a planet. And Io and Titan etc. It’s actually a fine definition for geology purposes, being big enough for self-gravitation to make you round is when interesting stuff starts happening, but you’ll have to accept there being something like 30 planets, including the Moon.
Darkoneko
Hm, but the moon doesn’t directly orbit around the sun.
(tho that logic is a bit of a pain when it comes to double planets like the pluyton-charon system)
JWLM
Wellll…yes and no. The center of mass of the Earth-Moon system is within the Earth, so that’s planet-like, but the orbit of the Moon is always concave towards the sun, so that’s quite un-planet-like. Earth-Moon is unique, so we have to make a choice, and given Earth’s size — and the inconsequential fact that we live here — we call it a planet-moon system, not a binary dwarf-planet system.
It would probably be accurate to refer to Earth-Moon as a binary planet. Each of the two objects is in hydrostatic equilibrium, and they’ve cleared their joint orbit, so the system as a whole is unquestionably planetary. Given that Mercury has cleared its orbit and has a mass only five times that of the Moon, it seems plausible that Luna would have cleared its orbit if Terra weren’t here, which would make it a planet in its own right.
That would make Terra-Luna the most fascinating possible system: a binary planet.
Darkoneko
By rule of thumb, I’d say if the center of the system rotation is within one of the 2 bodies, the other is the moon.
I *think* that for Pluton/Charon, the center is outside Pluton.
JustCheetoDust
So ignorance isn’t bliss?
Plasma Mongoose
Ignorance is only bliss if you are ignorant about your ignorance.
JustCheetoDust
I was going for sarcasm, but I do agree with the saying on occasion whenever politics are involved.
HiEv
The actual quote is, “where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.” So it isn’t even saying that ignorance is always bliss, just that sometimes it is.
Mr. Random
Not all conservatives are crazy. They’re just not very loud. Or elected.
Plasma Mongoose
The main selling point with conservatism is the desire not to have things change too much and that attribute tends to become more appealing to old folk, hence why people turn conservative as they get older.
Incomitatus
I was a conservative when I was younger. Now I’m a progressive Monarchist. So… something went terribly wrong.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
I’m conservative too. Actually, I tend to feel that the Conservative party aren’t conservative enough. (Ironically, as the Conservative party are currently in power here in the UK).
Then again, I’m also in favour of taking powers away from our generally somewhat-inept governments and giving them back to the Crown, so…
Plasma Mongoose
According to Conservapedia, Fox News is too liberal for true conservatives.
saki
Truly a frightening reality.
Opus the Poet
I guess that makes “true conservatism” an Adam Savage quote? “I reject your reality, and substitute one of my own.”
ə snow ʍouse
you don’t know US conservatives
Annie
I was conservative when I was younger too, but if think that was mostly because my parents and pretty much every other adult I knew were conservative. I wasn’t entirely aware that there was another way to be until late in high school.
But I live (both then and now) in an area where if your politics are anything but ultra-strict-religious-right-conservative, you generally keep it to yourself. So, as a kid and teen I wasn’t aware of more liberal stances because if they’re talked about at all, they’re talked about as a negative thing to the point of absurdity.
Then in high school I gradually became more and more liberal. I’m 32 now and I still find myself on the left side of almost every political issue that I read about. I’ve become the oddball black sheep in my extended family, and that’s if I’m not just an outright pariah. And I can’t say it bothers me much.
I’ve also read before that people are supposed to get more religious/faithful as they get older, but again, the opposite is true for me. I’ve gone from being a fairly devout believer as a child and teen, to having no religion at all now.
TPman
I wonder about that. Do people tend to get more religious with age, or are people from older generations more religious?
EvolutionistX
Both, actually.
James Small
Being conservative and believing the Bible at its literal word are slightly different if sometimes overlapping systems of belief. I’d draw a diagram, but you know, text boxes and all.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
Oh believe me, they’re different. I’m very conservative (to the point of eschewing the Conservatives in favour of the more conservative UKIP), but I’m also a strict Atheist.
ninja_jesus
( Conservatives ( both ) Literal belief in the Bible )
You’re welcome.
Fred
No, no sucks for conservatives. No sex of any kind, in fact.
claudewicked
Moreover sucks to be blindly religious but… YKNOW.
Aisling
Not all conservatives are fundies. I’m not one, just saying. And I still think that scientists had nothing better to do that day than decide that Pluto wasn’t really a planet…
Gamaran Sepudomyn
Actually, I’m pretty sure it was more that a better definition of planet was needed because so many things that could fit into the category of planet had been found that it would have been ridiculously unwieldy as a category if not redefined. Pluto is smaller than some of the other dwarf planets anyway.
Jen Aside
not that anyone cares, but I spent whole MINUTES trying to think of the best way to word that
maybe I shoulda gone with “sucks to be Ryan”
Opus the Poet
While not all conservatives are fundies, the counter statement is not true because all fundies are conservative. And crazy to some degree.
AnvilPro
A good one indeed.
otusasio451
YES, Joyce. YESSSSSSS. Come to the science side of the Force!
Doctor_Who
“I find your lack of rational hypothesis repeatedly tested under controlled circumstances disturbing.”
otusasio451
Yesss, YESSSSS!!! Let the knowledge gained by repeated experimentation through the manipulation of independent variables within a controlled environment FLOW through you!
Darkoneko
So… more kissing ?
Screwball
Yeeesss, learn the ways of experimentation…
ozzi
Give into your rational thought. Let logic flow through you.
MegaMarshmallow