Dorothy is thicc Dorothy. Don’t her and Amber pretty much have the same build?
cbwroses
They definitely do not.
Dorothy is slightly taller and noticeably less curvy in the hips than Amber (I also want to say slightly less buxom and more perky in the upper torso area as well).
Also, Walky commented on Amber being thicker when Sal first found them kissing on Garbage Roof.
That was early DOA. Everyone looked a bit more…homogenized back then.
cbwroses
Yes, they LOOK similar, as in they’re both short with bowl shaped hairstyles and glasses.
They do not have the same body type.
Click the link and see (and in case the link doesn’t work, I’m referring to when Scarface Ryan tried to attack them outside the dorm, a search with all three names can find it easily):
Yeah, it’s facial symmetry, not body type. My brother and I have something similar, actually–behead us, and shave off the hair, and you’d have trouble telling us apart other than identifying marks. But I’m a good foot taller and proportionately heavier than he is.
Tan
Here’s the link for Walky explicitly in-comic calling her Thicc Dorothy (and Sal basically saying the same in less thirsty terms).
It’s the “bony Poindexter”, vs “Ambster the Hamster”. Dorothy does have a rounded jawline, but her lines are pointier everywhere else, and Amber has the swoopier curvier lines, where physics appreciates her posterior.
~The more you knowww~
Yotomoe
Dorothy is a lot of things. I would absolutely NOT call her Thicc. Dorothy’s like…half amber’s size.
No, but it can be overcome and improved on. Linda wasn’t going to magically turn Not Racist in this one conversation, but it could well have been step one on that path.
I mean, not really? She’s had many chances to take that first step in the past, and instead learned to take the forgiveness of her children for granted. The only reason why she’s more approving of Sal here is because she’s dating an Approved White Boy who’s gonna “set her straight”. ?
Wraithy2773
That’s your take on it, and I will say that Danny being white is a big subconscious point in his favor in Linda’s eyes at the very least, but folks aren’t locked into their world views and prejudice. People can change, for better or for worse, and we’ll likely get a better view on where Linda stands on things as this trainwreck gets going.
Queezle
Just because you did not take chances to change before does not mean you will never do it. Sometimes it takes a while.
As of present, Linda hasn’t exactly given us many reasons to think she’s actually taking a first step here.
Mark
Two seconds isn’t much time to give reasons.
thejeff
It’s also not much time for any indication she is changing, but some seem to take it that way.
Joy
Your new icon is so cute!
Leorale
Yeah. Linda’s a racist who doesn’t know she’s racist. That glimmer of hope that, not only did she refrain from doubling down on the Lucy hate, but that she might actually start listening to Sal’s opinions in a new way, that could’ve been a real first step. The first step of many, many steps — but still! So tantalizing for Sal!
–But instead, time for Walky shenanigans. Major sibling feelings here!
What an incredibly naive thing to say. Try looking up Life After Hate for a start.
This is just laziness. If people with x prejudice are unchangeable, then we have no obligation to try to help them see things differently, right? Totally wrongheaded.
Tan
Absolutely no one is obligated to hold a racist’s hand through becoming less of a racist, whether it’s a possible task or not. If you’ve got the spoons for it and choose to, good on you, you are doing a positive thing for the world. But the only obligation is on the racist to do better.
Swissaboo
No one is asking you personally to do it. Sal seems inclined at least prod in that direction if she gets that glimmer of hope though, and she’s not obligated NOT to just because the obligation SHOULD be on the racist to do better.
Tan
Please read the comment I am directly replying to for the context of my statements. I have offered no negative judgment of Sal’s actions, express or implied.
Aslan
Yeah, no, white allies absolutely are obligated to do that exact work. That’s the core of what being an ally is.
Aslan
It’s not just white allies either, any allies who aren’t directly harmed by someone’s prejudice are, in fact, responsible for taking up the mantle and doing the work of helping them dismantle it.
Needfuldoer
You mean prejudice can’t be disarmed by its victims? :O
/s
thejeff
Which in this context means Sal.
thejeff
I kind of get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Allies should actively oppose racism, but that doesn’t always or even often mean “hold a racist’s hand through becoming less of a racist”.
That’s far too often a futile task and one that can easily backfire. Shielding them from any consequences in the name of trying to change them.
My theory is you need a lot of Allies to shun racists, and then like one racist-whisperer to bring them back. (And if the whisperer is a minority themselves they should get paid for the work.)
Aslan
And then you get JK Rowling, who was radicalized by more vitriolic transphobes largely because trans allies were too busy shunning her and assuming someone else should do the work, so no, your theory is not correct
Aslan
“Holding [someone’s] hand” doesn’t necessarily mean shielding them from consequences either, it just means remaining through the process of unpacking racism regardless of how drawn out the process is. Allyship isn’t glamorous and opposing racism isn’t the power fantasy of punching nazis in the face (or just dunking on them in their twitter replies, which is all most “allies” do anyway). It’s hard work and requires compassion and humanity, which is why it’s necessary for allies to do the work, since they aren’t the ones being dehumanized.
Mark
Perhaps we should rather say that we have no waste time and energy if an improved situation is impossible.
OTOH if the situation is changeable, and we want that change, then it may be worth the effort.
And I will point out that Sal would benefit personally from such a change. It is probably worth a lot of effort, to her.
It never really “goes away” but we aren’t our biases. Believing that we are and they never can change is foolhardy and puts too much power in racist’s hands.
Sal: “What’s different about Lucy that you don’t like?”
Linda: *error 404 file not found*
Not quite the confrontation that I was kinda hoping for, but I do like that, when pressed on the issue, she doesn’t double down, instead going “…huh, well, okay, I guess…”
Woman needs to do a lot more self-reflection, but I’m glad that Linda isn’t some sort of cartoon villain of racism. Work to be done, but it’s work that *can* be done at least.
Yeah. I’ve seen more glimmers of hope in Linda in this storyline than in basically all of her previous appearances combined. Whether she’ll actually live up to her potential for growth, of course, is a different matter.
I don’t think Linda consciously thinks “Lucy is black therefore bad”, so much as there’s a “vibe” that she feels and doesn’t examine.
I’m a little nervous about how this topic is handled, but I do like the somewhat nuanced (by DoA standards) portrayal here. Linda’s kind of racist but not really actively malicious, and I think a lot of (white) people have a relative like that.
Linda is definitely the racist that a significant amount of white people are, the kind that they never think about while patting themselves on the back for being allies because they say all the right things.
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Ana Chronistic
“You didn’t seem to like the other one, so I got a trade-in deal at the Girlfriendorium”
Doctor_Who
I like to think that’s a side hustle Carla runs in the dorm. Ruth knows about it, but Carla offered her a gift card to look the other way.
Surplus girlfriends may be donated to the polycule.
True Survivor
You can’t just force additions to the polycule. There has to be attraction. Mainly in the form of H-bonds and Van der Waals forces.
Doctor_Who
Which is exactly why Carla is the perfect person to manage such an enterprise. She probably has equations for that shit.
JasonAW3
Leather, lace and PVC also works…
Opus the Poet
And polished Latex, that’s always in kinky style.
DarkoNeko
Lovely.
Theluxland
It was actually great until Walky showed up. Of course the plan was bad but I didn’t think it was going to go that badly.
Needfuldoer
It’s a terrible plan, that Danny and Sal aren’t even in on.
This is gonna be good.
NGPZ
Re: Alt-Text, does that include Dina’s parents too? 😮
Dana
Yeah, but if Dina says Becky’s an acceptable Dorothy that’s good enough for them.
Radiance
Becky’s better at being Dorothy than Dorothy is.
Nathan
Danny just vibin’
Jon
He’s not actually talking to Charles, he’s just smile-staring into the middle distance.
temporalshrew
He has allowed his consciousness to leave his body – a wise decision, under the circumstances.
Dang Fool
He’s got his arm on Sal. He’s happy. If he does nothing else, he has less chance of Dannying it up.
Yotomoe
Walky’s got a type. Cartoon Nerds who will dress him.
or Undress him.
C.T. Phipps
Amber is thicc Dorothy! 🙂
Proxiehunter
Dorothy is thicc Dorothy. Don’t her and Amber pretty much have the same build?
cbwroses
They definitely do not.
Dorothy is slightly taller and noticeably less curvy in the hips than Amber (I also want to say slightly less buxom and more perky in the upper torso area as well).
Also, Walky commented on Amber being thicker when Sal first found them kissing on Garbage Roof.
Carla's #2 Fan
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/05-media-rumble/composited/
They are supposed to look similar
Yotomoe
That was early DOA. Everyone looked a bit more…homogenized back then.
cbwroses
Yes, they LOOK similar, as in they’re both short with bowl shaped hairstyles and glasses.
They do not have the same body type.
Click the link and see (and in case the link doesn’t work, I’m referring to when Scarface Ryan tried to attack them outside the dorm, a search with all three names can find it easily):
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/03-the-thing-i-was-before/directory/
Freemage
Yeah, it’s facial symmetry, not body type. My brother and I have something similar, actually–behead us, and shave off the hair, and you’d have trouble telling us apart other than identifying marks. But I’m a good foot taller and proportionately heavier than he is.
Tan
Here’s the link for Walky explicitly in-comic calling her Thicc Dorothy (and Sal basically saying the same in less thirsty terms).
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-8/04-of-mike-and-men/shamed/
Leorale
It’s the “bony Poindexter”, vs “Ambster the Hamster”. Dorothy does have a rounded jawline, but her lines are pointier everywhere else, and Amber has the swoopier curvier lines, where physics appreciates her posterior.
~The more you knowww~
Yotomoe
Dorothy is a lot of things. I would absolutely NOT call her Thicc. Dorothy’s like…half amber’s size.
Taffy
Sticc
Yotomoe
Thicc, Sticc. It’s all gravy!
cbwroses
Thicc or Sticc, Walky still licks.
Yotomoe
Dorothy’s Sticc, Walky is Sticky.
Azhrei Vep
But only after they’re through with Danny.
Jon
Glorious disaster incoming!!!
Leorale
Aww, Linda and Sal almost had a moment there. Almost.
NGPZ
Hehehe probably not. There’s really no magical sequence of words that will make racial bias go away, unfortunately.
Laura
Completing Linda’s sentence:
“If you vouch for her then I’ll be happy to blame you when David’s relationship with Lucy ends.”
NGPZ
????
Clif
We have a winner.
Wraithy2773
No, but it can be overcome and improved on. Linda wasn’t going to magically turn Not Racist in this one conversation, but it could well have been step one on that path.
NGPZ
I mean, not really? She’s had many chances to take that first step in the past, and instead learned to take the forgiveness of her children for granted. The only reason why she’s more approving of Sal here is because she’s dating an Approved White Boy who’s gonna “set her straight”. ?
Wraithy2773
That’s your take on it, and I will say that Danny being white is a big subconscious point in his favor in Linda’s eyes at the very least, but folks aren’t locked into their world views and prejudice. People can change, for better or for worse, and we’ll likely get a better view on where Linda stands on things as this trainwreck gets going.
Queezle
Just because you did not take chances to change before does not mean you will never do it. Sometimes it takes a while.
NGPZ
As of present, Linda hasn’t exactly given us many reasons to think she’s actually taking a first step here.
Mark
Two seconds isn’t much time to give reasons.
thejeff
It’s also not much time for any indication she is changing, but some seem to take it that way.
Joy
Your new icon is so cute!
Leorale
Yeah. Linda’s a racist who doesn’t know she’s racist. That glimmer of hope that, not only did she refrain from doubling down on the Lucy hate, but that she might actually start listening to Sal’s opinions in a new way, that could’ve been a real first step. The first step of many, many steps — but still! So tantalizing for Sal!
–But instead, time for Walky shenanigans. Major sibling feelings here!
Meagan
What an incredibly naive thing to say. Try looking up Life After Hate for a start.
This is just laziness. If people with x prejudice are unchangeable, then we have no obligation to try to help them see things differently, right? Totally wrongheaded.
Tan
Absolutely no one is obligated to hold a racist’s hand through becoming less of a racist, whether it’s a possible task or not. If you’ve got the spoons for it and choose to, good on you, you are doing a positive thing for the world. But the only obligation is on the racist to do better.
Swissaboo
No one is asking you personally to do it. Sal seems inclined at least prod in that direction if she gets that glimmer of hope though, and she’s not obligated NOT to just because the obligation SHOULD be on the racist to do better.
Tan
Please read the comment I am directly replying to for the context of my statements. I have offered no negative judgment of Sal’s actions, express or implied.
Aslan
Yeah, no, white allies absolutely are obligated to do that exact work. That’s the core of what being an ally is.
Aslan
It’s not just white allies either, any allies who aren’t directly harmed by someone’s prejudice are, in fact, responsible for taking up the mantle and doing the work of helping them dismantle it.
Needfuldoer
You mean prejudice can’t be disarmed by its victims? :O
/s
thejeff
Which in this context means Sal.
thejeff
I kind of get what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. Allies should actively oppose racism, but that doesn’t always or even often mean “hold a racist’s hand through becoming less of a racist”.
That’s far too often a futile task and one that can easily backfire. Shielding them from any consequences in the name of trying to change them.
nicoleandmaggie
My theory is you need a lot of Allies to shun racists, and then like one racist-whisperer to bring them back. (And if the whisperer is a minority themselves they should get paid for the work.)
Aslan
And then you get JK Rowling, who was radicalized by more vitriolic transphobes largely because trans allies were too busy shunning her and assuming someone else should do the work, so no, your theory is not correct
Aslan
“Holding [someone’s] hand” doesn’t necessarily mean shielding them from consequences either, it just means remaining through the process of unpacking racism regardless of how drawn out the process is. Allyship isn’t glamorous and opposing racism isn’t the power fantasy of punching nazis in the face (or just dunking on them in their twitter replies, which is all most “allies” do anyway). It’s hard work and requires compassion and humanity, which is why it’s necessary for allies to do the work, since they aren’t the ones being dehumanized.
Mark
Perhaps we should rather say that we have no waste time and energy if an improved situation is impossible.
OTOH if the situation is changeable, and we want that change, then it may be worth the effort.
And I will point out that Sal would benefit personally from such a change. It is probably worth a lot of effort, to her.
Mark
*sigh* No reason to waste time.
Suzi
It never really “goes away” but we aren’t our biases. Believing that we are and they never can change is foolhardy and puts too much power in racist’s hands.
DarkoNeko
especially since the “growing up” is basically “wooh she landed a wonderbread, we were right all along”
Yotomoe
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Taffy
The Proclaimers can help with instructions for the rest.
Yotomoe
Da da da!
NGPZ
There’s people in general taking first steps, and then there’s Linda not being trustworthy as she stands.
RassilonTDavros
Ah, I see, “growing up” is Linda-speak for “dating a white person.”
Or “a white person who isn’t Amber,” I guess. I had sort of forgotten the whole thing about Amber looking like a brunette Dorothy clone in-universe.
TulipKitten
Train wreck in 3… 2… 1…
Wraithy2773
Interesting.
Sal: “What’s different about Lucy that you don’t like?”
Linda: *error 404 file not found*
Not quite the confrontation that I was kinda hoping for, but I do like that, when pressed on the issue, she doesn’t double down, instead going “…huh, well, okay, I guess…”
Woman needs to do a lot more self-reflection, but I’m glad that Linda isn’t some sort of cartoon villain of racism. Work to be done, but it’s work that *can* be done at least.
RassilonTDavros
Yeah. I’ve seen more glimmers of hope in Linda in this storyline than in basically all of her previous appearances combined. Whether she’ll actually live up to her potential for growth, of course, is a different matter.
ESM
I don’t think Linda consciously thinks “Lucy is black therefore bad”, so much as there’s a “vibe” that she feels and doesn’t examine.
I’m a little nervous about how this topic is handled, but I do like the somewhat nuanced (by DoA standards) portrayal here. Linda’s kind of racist but not really actively malicious, and I think a lot of (white) people have a relative like that.
Marillius
Linda is definitely the racist that a significant amount of white people are, the kind that they never think about while patting themselves on the back for being allies because they say all the right things.
Amelie Wikström