(BTW, If you don’t get it, you should definitely check out “Alice Grove” it’s another pretty good webcomic made by the creator of “Questionable Content” .)
I get similar reactions when I tell people stories from my childhood.
Jason
Oh holy shit yes.
People are all like “oh nooooo, I’m so sorry about that stuff that happened to you!” and I’m like, “it’s… fine? I mean, it’s NOT fine, but it’s what I’m used to and I’m really not upset and please stop making that face.”
I even get it from my husband, I was telling him about this realisation I had during counselling about how my past is affecting my sleep and he was like “oh no poor hubby I want to hug you forever” which was not remotely the point of talking about it. Because to me, all this shit is just a fact of my life.
Eh. I don’t mind so much being made to believe stuff like the world was 6,000 years old and all the other creationist crap as I mind all the shows and movies I wasn’t allowed to watch. The real crime isn’t brainwashing them to believe nonsense, it’s isolating them from the broader culture.
philip: I can absolutely see someone who has left that sort of background taking that point of view–that’s how you were most affected, personally. From the viewpoint of someone like Dina, however, raised in rational though and respect for knowledge and truth above all else, this is a ‘sin’ unto itself–a violation of everything she holds dear, and it happened to the one person outside her family whom she has a strong emotional connection to.
That said, Dina needs to get into a comparative religion course. If she’s going to be dealing with this stuff constructively, she’ll need to get the sociological background that could make it more comprehensible to her.
Chaucer59
It probably won’t help. Those of us raised within the Jude-Christian traditions are quite blind to the utter insanity of those traditions. Our parents and teachers scoffed at at the tales recast by Herodotus and Ovid, but the shit in the Bobly is Judy as irrational as any other mythology.
ewx
Even Herodotus scoffed at some of his tales! (In at least one famous case, possibly wrongly.)
Silly Name
Early Christian Priest: “Ok, guys, now drink this wine -which is actually blood- and eat this bread -which is the flesh of the guy we worship- and you will go to heaven!”
Random Roman Passerby: “Holy shit, these guys are cannibals!”
That’s actually one of the stronger arguments for the whole “communion” bit at the last supper never having happened.
Jesus (or more properly, Yessus bin Yusefi) and his friends were Jews, and cannibalism is specifically mentioned and quite strictly banned in Jewish law, and has been since well before that period. He might as well have told them it was his piss and shit, and their reactions would be the same.
Frankly telling someone to symbolically drink your blood and eat your body ought to be pretty disgusting to anybody of any culture; it’s just we were introduced to it as young kids (and told we weren’t allowed to drink the wine until we were older, just to dangle that carrot) and by the time we were old enough to to question it, we’d done it 500 times already and had no reason to.
Gneseepaws
Until you’re so hot you want to dive into a lake of molten glass to cool off, you won’t get, won’t really understand, Herodotus
Rusty
BOBLY!
kendermouse
Personally, if these were people I knew in real life, I would suggest some books on religious abuse, both to Becky, and to everyone planning on sticking this out with Becky and/or Joyce. There’s some very good ones out there, written by people who escaped the kind of life Becky’s just gotten away from, and written from the point of view of how to recover from a religious abuse type background, and they would be incredibly helpful in letting Becky know she’s not alone, and some of the steps for her to take, and helping everyone understand what Becky’s going through, and maybe some hints on how to help her. It would be so much easier if they had a better understanding of the mindset these girls are coming from.
Pinkie
There’s also a huge amount of useful information contained in a few websites made by people recovering from just this kind of upbringing. I’m not good with links on an iPad, so let’s see if this works:
And one of my favorites, containing the story of Libby Anne who grew up a sheltered homeschooler like Joyce…and then she went to college and everything changed. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/
I think I even originally found Dumbing of Age through a link on Love Joy Feminism, and I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of Willis fans in the LJF commentariat.
As someone who grew up in a cultural bubble with a very different kind of brainwashing (totally vehemently areligious, at least twice as much “you’re worthless and can do nothing right”) I, personally, feel very strongly the opposite. I can find my own things that make me happy and I don’t mind that TV and movies, having never been part of my life, never really will be. But all the shit that I was taught? That has had the sort of knock-on effect that has effective stopped me from actually building a complete life for myself. That’s way worse, to me.
Not trying to diminish your experience, just… talk about another experience I guess.
“The real crime isn’t brainwashing them to believe nonsense, it’s isolating them from the broader culture.”
Quite honestly — I disagree. The real crime is, in fact, people being taught to simply believe what they’re told — and not being taught how to think critically or evaluate evidence.
Pop culture comes and goes. And honestly, you can catch up on it if you need to. But there are windows of development in which the habit of critical thinking and the importance of evidence can be taught, and people don’t tend to pick them up so much after that.
And the lack of those things, now — that’s why and how we have the current political situation among other things. And also, why and how so many people end up getting conned by quack medical claims, which really has the potential to hurt lives a lot, or even kill.
Cains daughters were pretty hot and angels were all about tapping that bootay!
Jack
That’s from Enoch, I believe? The Watchers and the Nephilim, all that? I read Enoch on a lark in high school, but since then I’ve mostly seen references to the Watchers in Ars Magica books, so I may be a mite confused on this point.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
The In Nomine RPG could add even more confusion on top of that.
quarktime
Just leave the Apocalypse Codex out of it. That’s crazy talk.
Jezi
Madeleine L’Engle’s “Many Waters” for me.
Leorale
Never heard that one. Why would they be so tall, they didn’t even have basketball yet
3oranges
If basketball had predated cosmic rays then we would have needed bigger courts. I think they had cricket, though. It’s hard to explain without the longevity.
Dorcy
Same reason dinosaurs were so big. The firmament.
Bluewind
Me too! I want more crazy knowledge! I mean, I’ve got plenty of my own crazy stuff from when my family tried to make me a Christian (southern baptist), but I love new ones ^_^
“No. Hominid heights vary down through the fossil record, but the largest in our direct descent is us.”
“…. wait, we come from apes? I thought that was just them lying to me about what non-Christians really believe.”
“No, that is well established through multiple cross-verified chains of evidence, from fossils to morphology to genetics.”
“So does that mean Adam and Eve were that tall because they were Neanderthals?”
“WE’RE TALLER THAN NEANDERTHALS!”
Joe Archer
Dina and Becky definitely aren’t taller than your average Neanderthal.
Somewhat related, can anybody point me to a creationist explanation for old geology? I need to come up with a couple of sedimentary myths for a flat world. Over here in Europe we don’t get any exposure to such wild tales, having sent our religious fanatics across the pond for centuries.
598 thoughts on “Cobwebs”
Ana Chronistic
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Ana Chronistic
well that worked well -_-
Wheelpath
Nice Dina face recreation, like damn
Cody
I see a frowny Dina on mobile…
Syndrine
I think it’s 11/10
Ana Chronistic
real version
Rocketboy1313
It’s okay, she just doesn’t have any eyes right now. The bare sockets are not too graphic in this resolution.
Orion Fury
Eh, still works.
Tan
Honestly, this version seems more accurate.
spriteless
Gotta replace the spaces with windows rune #255 if you don’t want websites to ignore them as whitespace.
Owlmirror
Does the <code> tag help with fixed horizontal spacing? Well, I guess I’ll find out.
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Disloyal Subject
“Where we’re going, we won’t need eyes to see.”
marianne
Or to deer.
zoomer296
I understood that reference.
(BTW, If you don’t get it, you should definitely check out “Alice Grove” it’s another pretty good webcomic made by the creator of “Questionable Content” .)
adamrocketblack
O Man, o god, O man
Aeron
*gives you a hug for the effort*
Deanatay
It kiiiiinda looks like Dina’s dino-hat is roaring, maaaaybe that’s what you were going for?
It’s not what you were going for.
NM
thank you for giving me the best damn laugh i’ve had all week o m y gdo
AnvilPro
The happiness to educate her is being replaced with a sadness of what she never had.
Stu
Yeah, it’s kind of funny that Becky is eliciting a LOT of emotion from Dina.
Cerberus
She’s seeing exactly what she’s saving her from.
I get similar reactions when I tell people stories from my childhood.
Jason
Oh holy shit yes.
People are all like “oh nooooo, I’m so sorry about that stuff that happened to you!” and I’m like, “it’s… fine? I mean, it’s NOT fine, but it’s what I’m used to and I’m really not upset and please stop making that face.”
I even get it from my husband, I was telling him about this realisation I had during counselling about how my past is affecting my sleep and he was like “oh no poor hubby I want to hug you forever” which was not remotely the point of talking about it. Because to me, all this shit is just a fact of my life.
philip p petrunak
Eh. I don’t mind so much being made to believe stuff like the world was 6,000 years old and all the other creationist crap as I mind all the shows and movies I wasn’t allowed to watch. The real crime isn’t brainwashing them to believe nonsense, it’s isolating them from the broader culture.
Freemage
philip: I can absolutely see someone who has left that sort of background taking that point of view–that’s how you were most affected, personally. From the viewpoint of someone like Dina, however, raised in rational though and respect for knowledge and truth above all else, this is a ‘sin’ unto itself–a violation of everything she holds dear, and it happened to the one person outside her family whom she has a strong emotional connection to.
That said, Dina needs to get into a comparative religion course. If she’s going to be dealing with this stuff constructively, she’ll need to get the sociological background that could make it more comprehensible to her.
Chaucer59
It probably won’t help. Those of us raised within the Jude-Christian traditions are quite blind to the utter insanity of those traditions. Our parents and teachers scoffed at at the tales recast by Herodotus and Ovid, but the shit in the Bobly is Judy as irrational as any other mythology.
ewx
Even Herodotus scoffed at some of his tales! (In at least one famous case, possibly wrongly.)
Silly Name
Early Christian Priest: “Ok, guys, now drink this wine -which is actually blood- and eat this bread -which is the flesh of the guy we worship- and you will go to heaven!”
Random Roman Passerby: “Holy shit, these guys are cannibals!”
Hinoron
That’s actually one of the stronger arguments for the whole “communion” bit at the last supper never having happened.
Jesus (or more properly, Yessus bin Yusefi) and his friends were Jews, and cannibalism is specifically mentioned and quite strictly banned in Jewish law, and has been since well before that period. He might as well have told them it was his piss and shit, and their reactions would be the same.
Frankly telling someone to symbolically drink your blood and eat your body ought to be pretty disgusting to anybody of any culture; it’s just we were introduced to it as young kids (and told we weren’t allowed to drink the wine until we were older, just to dangle that carrot) and by the time we were old enough to to question it, we’d done it 500 times already and had no reason to.
Gneseepaws
Until you’re so hot you want to dive into a lake of molten glass to cool off, you won’t get, won’t really understand, Herodotus
Rusty
BOBLY!
kendermouse
Personally, if these were people I knew in real life, I would suggest some books on religious abuse, both to Becky, and to everyone planning on sticking this out with Becky and/or Joyce. There’s some very good ones out there, written by people who escaped the kind of life Becky’s just gotten away from, and written from the point of view of how to recover from a religious abuse type background, and they would be incredibly helpful in letting Becky know she’s not alone, and some of the steps for her to take, and helping everyone understand what Becky’s going through, and maybe some hints on how to help her. It would be so much easier if they had a better understanding of the mindset these girls are coming from.
Pinkie
There’s also a huge amount of useful information contained in a few websites made by people recovering from just this kind of upbringing. I’m not good with links on an iPad, so let’s see if this works:
Homeschoolers Anonymous
homeschoolersanonymous.org
No Longer Quivering
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/
And one of my favorites, containing the story of Libby Anne who grew up a sheltered homeschooler like Joyce…and then she went to college and everything changed.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/
I think I even originally found Dumbing of Age through a link on Love Joy Feminism, and I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of Willis fans in the LJF commentariat.
Jason
As someone who grew up in a cultural bubble with a very different kind of brainwashing (totally vehemently areligious, at least twice as much “you’re worthless and can do nothing right”) I, personally, feel very strongly the opposite. I can find my own things that make me happy and I don’t mind that TV and movies, having never been part of my life, never really will be. But all the shit that I was taught? That has had the sort of knock-on effect that has effective stopped me from actually building a complete life for myself. That’s way worse, to me.
Not trying to diminish your experience, just… talk about another experience I guess.
LynneB
“The real crime isn’t brainwashing them to believe nonsense, it’s isolating them from the broader culture.”
Quite honestly — I disagree. The real crime is, in fact, people being taught to simply believe what they’re told — and not being taught how to think critically or evaluate evidence.
Pop culture comes and goes. And honestly, you can catch up on it if you need to. But there are windows of development in which the habit of critical thinking and the importance of evidence can be taught, and people don’t tend to pick them up so much after that.
And the lack of those things, now — that’s why and how we have the current political situation among other things. And also, why and how so many people end up getting conned by quack medical claims, which really has the potential to hurt lives a lot, or even kill.
LynneB
I see it as not so much “sadness of what she never had”, and more “absolute horror that people are being taught such things.”
Slartibeast Button, BIA
Dina is attempting the Dinosaurian mind meld.
My scales are becoming your scales.
My feathers are becoming your feathers.
My thoughts are becoming your thoughts.
Of course, doing that right requires scalp to scalp contact…
Anorak
becky would like that
Orion Fury
If a Slipshine is ever made, am I alone in figuring a line in it would be Becky saying to Dina “Leave the Hat on”?
ety
Did you see her reaction to the triceratops hoodie?
Orion Fury
Sadly, I don’t recall it.
ety
I couldn’t find the exact thing I was looking for, but the general point was Becky appears to really dig the dino clothing on Dina.
Orion Fury
Since I think, like, an easy third of Becky’s comments seem to be the comments section, that makes sense.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
Maybe this one:
Cuteness
ety
that works
Sunny
This one? http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/04-walking-with-dina/edmontosaurus/
ety
That entire set of strips is filled with adorable-ness.
J
“Open your eyes, Becky – embrace Dino-ternity!”
Zaidyer
“WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU”
Plasma Mongoose
Wait until she finds out that Adam and Eve were like 12 foot tall.
tim gueguen
That’s a new one for me.
Plasma Mongoose
Not for me, that was what I was taught in Sabbath School so many decades ago.
Stu
Huh, what I’d heard was that the giants were half-angels, and that’s why God caused the flood. Not as a kid, but from a local Baptist preacher.
Plasma Mongoose
Cains daughters were pretty hot and angels were all about tapping that bootay!
Jack
That’s from Enoch, I believe? The Watchers and the Nephilim, all that? I read Enoch on a lark in high school, but since then I’ve mostly seen references to the Watchers in Ars Magica books, so I may be a mite confused on this point.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
The In Nomine RPG could add even more confusion on top of that.
quarktime
Just leave the Apocalypse Codex out of it. That’s crazy talk.
Jezi
Madeleine L’Engle’s “Many Waters” for me.
Leorale
Never heard that one. Why would they be so tall, they didn’t even have basketball yet
3oranges
If basketball had predated cosmic rays then we would have needed bigger courts. I think they had cricket, though. It’s hard to explain without the longevity.
Dorcy
Same reason dinosaurs were so big. The firmament.
Bluewind
Me too! I want more crazy knowledge! I mean, I’ve got plenty of my own crazy stuff from when my family tried to make me a Christian (southern baptist), but I love new ones ^_^
Fart Captor
The dinosaur saddles someone brought up the other day would probably break her.
Like, on multiple levels.
Plasma Mongoose
Next you will be telling me that The Flintstones wasn’t a doco.
Orion Fury
Or the Jetsons.
Bicycle Bill
You mean Alley Oop riding Dinny wasn’t on the level either?
Bluewind
…I now want to see a dino saddle! That just made me laugh XD
Fart Captor
It was hoff1991 who posted this before:
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-a-person-riding-on-a-saddle-on-top-of-a-dinosaur-at-the-Creationist-Museum-in-Kentucky
Bluewind
That isn’t even a good looking saddle for a dino XD
So if there were all those dino saddles, why is there no evidence of a good fitting dino saddle? XD
Bluewind
Here is a video on YouTube of The Thinking Atheist and friends walking through it and commenting as well
https://youtu.be/xVHWq0ZGE_Y
Needfuldoer
To this day she can’t bring herself to pick Yoshi in Mario Kart.
CommunistCanada
Wait, What?
Plasma Mongoose
SDA education was something else I can tell you
Reltzik
“No. Hominid heights vary down through the fossil record, but the largest in our direct descent is us.”
“…. wait, we come from apes? I thought that was just them lying to me about what non-Christians really believe.”
“No, that is well established through multiple cross-verified chains of evidence, from fossils to morphology to genetics.”
“So does that mean Adam and Eve were that tall because they were Neanderthals?”
“WE’RE TALLER THAN NEANDERTHALS!”
Joe Archer
Dina and Becky definitely aren’t taller than your average Neanderthal.
Somewhat related, can anybody point me to a creationist explanation for old geology? I need to come up with a couple of sedimentary myths for a flat world. Over here in Europe we don’t get any exposure to such wild tales, having sent our religious fanatics across the pond for centuries.