maybe he should go to jacob for advice (despite him hooking up with lucy super quickly, maybe he’d have insight about being seen as a ‘sexual object’ even if joyce wasn’t as insensitive? as sarah was, tho she did call him ‘nothing but a libido with a face’ when she was angry at joe a while back/before they became an official couple [tho i suppose joe isn’t exactly thinking “if i don’t want to have sex with her she’ll break up with me and hook up with the next guy who offers her a fling”])
I have never known humans to go about trying to find the best possible person to get advice. Roz made sense to him, so Roz it is. Especially considering men don’t really ask for advice to begin with
I feel like Leslie would actually be great for this kind of advice, but I don’t know that Joe would feel like he could go to her after the way he comported himself in her class.
Kyrros
To be fair, he did pass the class. :-p
I think it’s fair to say that over an entire semester that she knows him well enough to tell the difference between his ‘performative’ masculinity versus an being an actual PoS Fukboi (which he’s not)
Third opinion is that he IS silly, but far too big to be a baby and Roz needs to get her lens prescription updated if she thinks otherwise.
Reltzik
Fourth opinion is that sexual shame is silly, unless you fuck up bad.
anon
a little bit of embarrassment might be natural beforehand versus some post nut shame but who knows i wouldn’t be surprised if some college students developed a humiliation kink
Don’t let Dina hear that, or face the wrath of the Raptor.
Mark
Rising above it like a Quetzalcoatlus, of course! (Yes, Dina: strictly speaking, not a dinosaur.)
Jerach
I mean, Dina and Joyce are both autistic. I don’t think either of them really give a shit about whether things adhere to societal standards which are often unhelpful. (context: I am also autistic)
at some point he’ll have to tell joyce that he’s hesitant, otherwise i guess just let things happen naturally b/c while joyce is ‘eager’ it’s not as if she’s trying to escalate things everytime they hang out lol
i mean the last line might come off as her trying to be ‘playful’ but i’d think a few ppl would interpret it as dismissive instead. tho i suppose it’s better than her saying “get over it before i f–k her myself” lol
well, the main odd thing is that they’re mostly protestant in the US (as far as I know !), but I live wayyy too far from that part of the world to really understand the specific
Depends on the location and culture. Roz, for example, is Latina and they tend to be Catholic. Much like how those with roots in Italy and Ireland also tend to be Catholic. I’ve never met a Protestant myself, but that’s because I live in the South, which has loads of Southern Christians.
Christians are where it gets complicated because you’ve got Baptists, Methodists, Pentacostal, and Evangelical, and those are just the ones I’ve personally experienced. It gets way too crazy, man.
As for Catholics, I’d say Catholics tend to be seen as more into sex shaming because they can be VERY strict about sex outside of marriage, extra-marital affairs, and all that jazz. Divorce can sometimes still be frowned upon within some sects of Catholicism because if you divorce and then re-marry, that’s BASICALLY adultery. …Even though it definitely isn’t adultery at all, but you know, marriage is in sickness and health, ONLY TO DEATH do you part and anything else will get you sent to Hell for being a bad Catholic. It’s a trope, but also a trope that has some merit in reality sometimes.
Mano308gts
Protestant is not, afaik, a specific denomination. It’s a catchall term for all non-Catholic Western-European branches of Christian, including but not limited Baptists, Methodists, Evangelicals, Pentecostals, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans, etc.
(note that it does not include any Orthodox Christians, nor any non-European natively developed Christian churches, such as those found in the Middle East or Ethiopia)
Adam Black
that goes both ways: Ive known Catholics to make “Christian” sound like a slur, as if it wasnt themselves
Doopyboop
Alright.
Mano308gts
also as a further addenda- Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants (as well as Coptic and many others) are all Christian. It’s a pretty Protestant thing to only acknowledge certain denominations (Baptist, etc) as Christian, and try to differentiate it from the older orthodoxies.
Very true! I always weird even as a young kid who would nominally identify as a Christian if for no other reason than because I lived in the South way back then and having your grandparents take you with them to church when you visit was just The Thing That Happens*.
Back then, I didn’t even know what the word “denomination” meant, and I vaguely remember people going out of their way to talk about Catholicism as something separate from Christianity which always confused me when I was young since a lot of movies that I watched at the time had Catholic main characters and they always talked about Jesus and had crosses and whatnot.
*Side note, for anyone who might be curious: I do not consider myself Christian and have not since before I was a preteen, at which point I moved to another state and learned that not only were there other worldviews, but that I was allowed to have them (not that the people around me as a small kid DISALLOWED it, it just never really came up and so I had nothing else to compare it to; my parents were never really that strongly religious to begin with even though we’d occasionally attend church services–that was always more my grandparents’ thing).
**Correction: it should be “I always thought that was weird,” not “I always weird.”
Doopyboop
I feel like you and I had similar experiences Songbird, I also identified as Christian mainly because my grandma took me to church, and being Christian was what I was “supposed to be”, but that was pretty much during my pre-teen years. The churches I went to were also like Joyce’s experience, where we church-hopped a lot and thus looking back, I can recognize having gone to Pentacostal churches, or Baptists churches, when at the time it was just “church”. Made some of the differences between each church make more sense.
I don’t currently identify as Christian. I haven’t in a long time, particularly after the many times I’ve been told I would burn in Hell for the crime of… not being Christian or not going to church. Let alone the fact that I’m not cis or straight. And I want to explain, the reason I didn’t feel as if I ‘knew’ any Protestants, and I guess why I’m a bit uninformed on them, is I don’t think people in the South… really identify as Protestant. You’d really be hard-pressed to hear that around here. You’d hear someone say “I’m Baptist, I’m Pentecostal, I’m Catholic, I’m Christian” but never Protestant. When I think of Protestants, I think of affluent people with old money. People who go to Harvard and Yale. If that’s my ignorance, then I apologize.
Yeah, before we started really talking about the history of religious sects when discussing western Europe in history and social studies classes during late elementary school and jr. high, I don’t think I’d ever even heard the word “Protestant” as a kid outside of that one early Family Guy episode with Peter Griffin’s dad where Lois points out that she and he didn’t get along because she wasn’t Catholic. Matter of fact, I think that episode was the first time I ever heard the word, period–I don’t remember if I ever asked anyone what it meant, though.
*if I asked anyone what it meant at the time, though.
thejeff
Even the “affluent people with old money” would probably identify as some particular denomination of Protestant if you asked them. It’s a broad catch-all term, so most won’t use it to describe themselves, but it does get used when talking about religious demographics more generally.
Mark
I had a notion that “protestant” was first applied to the people it characterizes by someone else (i.e. the Catholic Church). I haven’t found out who coined the term, but its probable origin can be found here.
Colin McKenzie
Throw in Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, too. Although I know a lot of “Christians” who wouldn’t agree with that.
Bittersweet
Most Mormons I know don’t agree with that either lol. They’ll tell you they’re Mormon, not Christian.
thejeff
While they’ll definitely specify Mormon first, I wouldn’t expect most to deny also being Christian.
Just like Baptists are Baptists, Protestants and Christians.
Mark
“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”.
Adam Black
“I’ve never met a Protestant myself” lol im sure you have. every day.
maybe even are one.
thats like saying youve never met a white person, just northern European descended Americans.
“Southern Christian” = Christian that happens to exist in the South, NOT “Confederate aligned.”
YES, there is a disproportionately large amount of bigotry existing in the rural parts of the US, and YES, many of those bigots happen to live specifically in the South and use Christianity to try to justify themselves (I tend to see that in Southern Baptist churches more often than not, but even then, it’s not one-to-one guaranteed).
That does not mean that all Southerners or Southern Christians are Confederate aligned, and to make the implication that that is the case is extremely disgusting and offensive, as I know many good people among my friends and family (some family, anyway–there are many family members on that side of my family tree whom I no longer talk to) living in the South, and while I am not a Christian myself, I will NOT just sit idly by in silence while you talk about them this way.
Yeah Southern Baptism apparently split with maintream Baptism over the issue of slavery, and revised their religion to justify slavery as an institution.
thejeff
Things have of course blurred since the Civil War/Jim Crow days, but not just the Baptists, but most US churches that have a South/North distinction split over slavery/segregation, so it’s a decent rule of thumb to assume that “Southern Christian” in this sense is a confederate church. At least historically.
The giant exception of course are the black churches. (As well as predominately Latino Catholics, but we’re talking about meeting Protestants.) Though southern black churches have theological ties to white southern denominations, they’ve taken very different routes politically.
Doopyboop
I’m agnostic myself, actually. But thanks for assuming. I could explain myself further, but I have a feeling that wouldn’t matter to you. So. Sorry saying I wasn’t sure I’d met a Protestant before was something that made you mad.
Yumi
Okay, Adam Black is off about things, but they didn’t assume something about your religion. Their comment doesn’t sound mad, either.
Bruno
“Confederate aligned” is wild. You know who was Southern Baptist? The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
he was a mainstream Baptist minister; churches in the Southern Baptist Convention at the time wouldn’t even let black people into their ranks at all
Yumi
As established, MLK was not Southern Baptist; he WAS the first president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is an African American civil rights organization.
Delavan
Lots of confusion in this thread, so just a technical clarification: all Protestant means is “not Catholic or Orthodox.” It dates back to Luther (Lutherans) and Calvin (Baptists, Methodists, etc.). Also includes Anglicans/Episcopalians (Henry VIII), Presbyterians (John Knox), and various other denominations (Quakers, Shakers, Menonites, Amish, etc.). Essentially any denomination that occurred during the “Protestant Reformation” which lasted a hundred years or so and caused all the European religious wars (30 years war, 100 years war, Peace of Westphalia, etc.).
The reason it gets confusing is this: Christianity in the US gets more complicated because we also had something called the “Great Awakening” – really a series of four seperate movements within “mainline” Protestant denominations that led to a lot of splintering-off of smaller, usually very Evangelical, groups. In general the whole movement tends to be what I’d call uber-Calvinist. Adamantly anti-Catholic, often quite “fire and brimstone” on Christian moral dogma (abortion, queer issues, etc.), and very evangelical. Lots of “you must be born again” rhetoric, emphasis on adult rather than child baptism, etc.
It gets even *more* complicated if you add in the racial element. Southern Black churches are technically part of the Great Awakening movements, especially the 2nd and 3rd waves, but are also much more social justice oriented, associated with the NAACP/SCLC and similar groups, and focus a lot on civil rights, voter turnout, and issues within the Black community (e.g. they run really good vaccine drives, soup kitchens, etc.). There’s a world of difference between a Southern Baptist church that is Black vs one that is White.
zee
Arent most southern Christians protestant? Like, par for the Latine populations i wouldn’t really associate the south with Catholicism
thejeff
Yeah, they’re confused about what Protestant means.
I think in broad terms they’re equating it with just the mainline white Protestant churches, not the more fundamentalist/Evangelical ones more common in the South.
And of course, not Black churches.
Jon
“Southern Christians” are Protestants. The Protestant movement is called that because it started as a rebellion against Catholicism (see Martin Luther and the 95 Theses, which would also make a good band name). Some of them are so exclusionary that they don’t see anyone outside their particular sect as “Christian”, which strikes me as weird, but there you go.
191 thoughts on “Contracted”
Ana Chronistic
Roz be like Shia
Cholma
Unless he wants to go the Actual Cannibal Shia LaBoeuf route. (quiet quiet)
True Survivor
Wait! The meme, it isn’t dead, Shia Surprise!!
Cholma
* slow clapping from the audience *
Ellegos
Like a bear trap to the leg, it keeps holding on.
Miafillene
Slow but furious clapping escalates!
Shadowsnail
I unironically listen to the remix.
JD
big fan of joe being called a big silly baby. it’s good.
Sirksome
You’re a bum Joe! And you’ll never be any good! There. I hope that helped him.
Bluesnake463
She is both right and not right.
anon
maybe he should go to jacob for advice (despite him hooking up with lucy super quickly, maybe he’d have insight about being seen as a ‘sexual object’ even if joyce wasn’t as insensitive? as sarah was, tho she did call him ‘nothing but a libido with a face’ when she was angry at joe a while back/before they became an official couple [tho i suppose joe isn’t exactly thinking “if i don’t want to have sex with her she’ll break up with me and hook up with the next guy who offers her a fling”])
geno
I have never known humans to go about trying to find the best possible person to get advice. Roz made sense to him, so Roz it is. Especially considering men don’t really ask for advice to begin with
NGPZ
Well Joe, naturally a step you must take in giving a shit would be not to conflate that with purity culture.
Jo_cubstar
This.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Yup, that.
Reltzik
Yeah. Giving a shit is about as impure as it gets.
Carl Muckenhoupt
No, you’re thinking of *taking* a shit.
Reltzik
No, you see, taking means you have acquired it. Giving means you have relinquished it.
anon
makes me wonder how she’d react if joe told her “Well, technically joyce already got to 2nd (3rd?) base with dorothy before me”
Da Boy
It kind of sucks that this is apparently the only “role model material” he has access to.
Devin
I feel like Leslie would actually be great for this kind of advice, but I don’t know that Joe would feel like he could go to her after the way he comported himself in her class.
Kyrros
To be fair, he did pass the class. :-p
I think it’s fair to say that over an entire semester that she knows him well enough to tell the difference between his ‘performative’ masculinity versus an being an actual PoS Fukboi (which he’s not)
NGPZ
Can Dina not be “role model material”?
Sam
Get a second opinion.
Yumi
Second opinion is that he’ll be fine, but he’s really not that silly of a baby.
Doctor_Who
Third opinion is that he IS silly, but far too big to be a baby and Roz needs to get her lens prescription updated if she thinks otherwise.
Reltzik
Fourth opinion is that sexual shame is silly, unless you fuck up bad.
anon
a little bit of embarrassment might be natural beforehand versus some post nut shame but who knows i wouldn’t be surprised if some college students developed a humiliation kink
NGPZ
From Dina.
Reltzik
Dina…. might not be the best person to advise Joe on the topic of how to tiptoe through the minefields of romantic norms.
Clif
You tiptoe through the minefields of romantic norms like a dinosaur. Next question.
Reltzik
You’ll have to narrow that down for me. Tiptoe like an anchiornis or tiptoe like an argentinosaurus?
Taffy
Obviously like a Dragonzord, the best dinosaur.
PhyrexianRogue
Don’t let Dina hear that, or face the wrath of the Raptor.
Mark
Rising above it like a Quetzalcoatlus, of course! (Yes, Dina: strictly speaking, not a dinosaur.)
Jerach
I mean, Dina and Joyce are both autistic. I don’t think either of them really give a shit about whether things adhere to societal standards which are often unhelpful. (context: I am also autistic)
anon
at some point he’ll have to tell joyce that he’s hesitant, otherwise i guess just let things happen naturally b/c while joyce is ‘eager’ it’s not as if she’s trying to escalate things everytime they hang out lol
darkoneko
….that’s surprisingly adorable
Nono
Roz: saying what everyone needs to hear.
anon
i mean the last line might come off as her trying to be ‘playful’ but i’d think a few ppl would interpret it as dismissive instead. tho i suppose it’s better than her saying “get over it before i f–k her myself” lol
Sirksome
Do Catholics got the market cornered on sex shaming? I’m not Catholic. I thought that was mostly like a trope or something.
darkoneko
well, the main odd thing is that they’re mostly protestant in the US (as far as I know !), but I live wayyy too far from that part of the world to really understand the specific
Doopyboop
Depends on the location and culture. Roz, for example, is Latina and they tend to be Catholic. Much like how those with roots in Italy and Ireland also tend to be Catholic. I’ve never met a Protestant myself, but that’s because I live in the South, which has loads of Southern Christians.
Christians are where it gets complicated because you’ve got Baptists, Methodists, Pentacostal, and Evangelical, and those are just the ones I’ve personally experienced. It gets way too crazy, man.
As for Catholics, I’d say Catholics tend to be seen as more into sex shaming because they can be VERY strict about sex outside of marriage, extra-marital affairs, and all that jazz. Divorce can sometimes still be frowned upon within some sects of Catholicism because if you divorce and then re-marry, that’s BASICALLY adultery. …Even though it definitely isn’t adultery at all, but you know, marriage is in sickness and health, ONLY TO DEATH do you part and anything else will get you sent to Hell for being a bad Catholic. It’s a trope, but also a trope that has some merit in reality sometimes.
Mano308gts
Protestant is not, afaik, a specific denomination. It’s a catchall term for all non-Catholic Western-European branches of Christian, including but not limited Baptists, Methodists, Evangelicals, Pentecostals, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans, etc.
(note that it does not include any Orthodox Christians, nor any non-European natively developed Christian churches, such as those found in the Middle East or Ethiopia)
Adam Black
that goes both ways: Ive known Catholics to make “Christian” sound like a slur, as if it wasnt themselves
Doopyboop
Alright.
Mano308gts
also as a further addenda- Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants (as well as Coptic and many others) are all Christian. It’s a pretty Protestant thing to only acknowledge certain denominations (Baptist, etc) as Christian, and try to differentiate it from the older orthodoxies.
Songbird
Very true! I always weird even as a young kid who would nominally identify as a Christian if for no other reason than because I lived in the South way back then and having your grandparents take you with them to church when you visit was just The Thing That Happens*.
Back then, I didn’t even know what the word “denomination” meant, and I vaguely remember people going out of their way to talk about Catholicism as something separate from Christianity which always confused me when I was young since a lot of movies that I watched at the time had Catholic main characters and they always talked about Jesus and had crosses and whatnot.
*Side note, for anyone who might be curious: I do not consider myself Christian and have not since before I was a preteen, at which point I moved to another state and learned that not only were there other worldviews, but that I was allowed to have them (not that the people around me as a small kid DISALLOWED it, it just never really came up and so I had nothing else to compare it to; my parents were never really that strongly religious to begin with even though we’d occasionally attend church services–that was always more my grandparents’ thing).
Songbird
**Correction: it should be “I always thought that was weird,” not “I always weird.”
Doopyboop
I feel like you and I had similar experiences Songbird, I also identified as Christian mainly because my grandma took me to church, and being Christian was what I was “supposed to be”, but that was pretty much during my pre-teen years. The churches I went to were also like Joyce’s experience, where we church-hopped a lot and thus looking back, I can recognize having gone to Pentacostal churches, or Baptists churches, when at the time it was just “church”. Made some of the differences between each church make more sense.
I don’t currently identify as Christian. I haven’t in a long time, particularly after the many times I’ve been told I would burn in Hell for the crime of… not being Christian or not going to church. Let alone the fact that I’m not cis or straight. And I want to explain, the reason I didn’t feel as if I ‘knew’ any Protestants, and I guess why I’m a bit uninformed on them, is I don’t think people in the South… really identify as Protestant. You’d really be hard-pressed to hear that around here. You’d hear someone say “I’m Baptist, I’m Pentecostal, I’m Catholic, I’m Christian” but never Protestant. When I think of Protestants, I think of affluent people with old money. People who go to Harvard and Yale. If that’s my ignorance, then I apologize.
Songbird
Yeah, before we started really talking about the history of religious sects when discussing western Europe in history and social studies classes during late elementary school and jr. high, I don’t think I’d ever even heard the word “Protestant” as a kid outside of that one early Family Guy episode with Peter Griffin’s dad where Lois points out that she and he didn’t get along because she wasn’t Catholic. Matter of fact, I think that episode was the first time I ever heard the word, period–I don’t remember if I ever asked anyone what it meant, though.
Songbird
*if I asked anyone what it meant at the time, though.
thejeff
Even the “affluent people with old money” would probably identify as some particular denomination of Protestant if you asked them. It’s a broad catch-all term, so most won’t use it to describe themselves, but it does get used when talking about religious demographics more generally.
Mark
I had a notion that “protestant” was first applied to the people it characterizes by someone else (i.e. the Catholic Church). I haven’t found out who coined the term, but its probable origin can be found here.
Colin McKenzie
Throw in Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, too. Although I know a lot of “Christians” who wouldn’t agree with that.
Bittersweet
Most Mormons I know don’t agree with that either lol. They’ll tell you they’re Mormon, not Christian.
thejeff
While they’ll definitely specify Mormon first, I wouldn’t expect most to deny also being Christian.
Just like Baptists are Baptists, Protestants and Christians.
Mark
“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”.
Adam Black
“I’ve never met a Protestant myself” lol im sure you have. every day.
maybe even are one.
thats like saying youve never met a white person, just northern European descended Americans.
“Southern Christian” = confederate aligned protestant denominations.
Songbird
“Southern Christian” = Christian that happens to exist in the South, NOT “Confederate aligned.”
YES, there is a disproportionately large amount of bigotry existing in the rural parts of the US, and YES, many of those bigots happen to live specifically in the South and use Christianity to try to justify themselves (I tend to see that in Southern Baptist churches more often than not, but even then, it’s not one-to-one guaranteed).
That does not mean that all Southerners or Southern Christians are Confederate aligned, and to make the implication that that is the case is extremely disgusting and offensive, as I know many good people among my friends and family (some family, anyway–there are many family members on that side of my family tree whom I no longer talk to) living in the South, and while I am not a Christian myself, I will NOT just sit idly by in silence while you talk about them this way.
NGPZ
Yeah Southern Baptism apparently split with maintream Baptism over the issue of slavery, and revised their religion to justify slavery as an institution.
thejeff
Things have of course blurred since the Civil War/Jim Crow days, but not just the Baptists, but most US churches that have a South/North distinction split over slavery/segregation, so it’s a decent rule of thumb to assume that “Southern Christian” in this sense is a confederate church. At least historically.
The giant exception of course are the black churches. (As well as predominately Latino Catholics, but we’re talking about meeting Protestants.) Though southern black churches have theological ties to white southern denominations, they’ve taken very different routes politically.
Doopyboop
I’m agnostic myself, actually. But thanks for assuming. I could explain myself further, but I have a feeling that wouldn’t matter to you. So. Sorry saying I wasn’t sure I’d met a Protestant before was something that made you mad.
Yumi
Okay, Adam Black is off about things, but they didn’t assume something about your religion. Their comment doesn’t sound mad, either.
Bruno
“Confederate aligned” is wild. You know who was Southern Baptist? The Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr.
NGPZ
He was Southern, he was Baptist, but I dont think he was Southern Baptist, i.e. the branch that separated itself from mainstream Baptism.
zee
Lmfao MLK was NOT southern baptist
thejeff
What was he exactly?
Either it’s surprisingly hard to find out or my Google fu is failing today.
NGPZ
he was a mainstream Baptist minister; churches in the Southern Baptist Convention at the time wouldn’t even let black people into their ranks at all
Yumi
As established, MLK was not Southern Baptist; he WAS the first president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is an African American civil rights organization.
Delavan
Lots of confusion in this thread, so just a technical clarification: all Protestant means is “not Catholic or Orthodox.” It dates back to Luther (Lutherans) and Calvin (Baptists, Methodists, etc.). Also includes Anglicans/Episcopalians (Henry VIII), Presbyterians (John Knox), and various other denominations (Quakers, Shakers, Menonites, Amish, etc.). Essentially any denomination that occurred during the “Protestant Reformation” which lasted a hundred years or so and caused all the European religious wars (30 years war, 100 years war, Peace of Westphalia, etc.).
The reason it gets confusing is this: Christianity in the US gets more complicated because we also had something called the “Great Awakening” – really a series of four seperate movements within “mainline” Protestant denominations that led to a lot of splintering-off of smaller, usually very Evangelical, groups. In general the whole movement tends to be what I’d call uber-Calvinist. Adamantly anti-Catholic, often quite “fire and brimstone” on Christian moral dogma (abortion, queer issues, etc.), and very evangelical. Lots of “you must be born again” rhetoric, emphasis on adult rather than child baptism, etc.
It gets even *more* complicated if you add in the racial element. Southern Black churches are technically part of the Great Awakening movements, especially the 2nd and 3rd waves, but are also much more social justice oriented, associated with the NAACP/SCLC and similar groups, and focus a lot on civil rights, voter turnout, and issues within the Black community (e.g. they run really good vaccine drives, soup kitchens, etc.). There’s a world of difference between a Southern Baptist church that is Black vs one that is White.
zee
Arent most southern Christians protestant? Like, par for the Latine populations i wouldn’t really associate the south with Catholicism
thejeff
Yeah, they’re confused about what Protestant means.
I think in broad terms they’re equating it with just the mainline white Protestant churches, not the more fundamentalist/Evangelical ones more common in the South.
And of course, not Black churches.
Jon
“Southern Christians” are Protestants. The Protestant movement is called that because it started as a rebellion against Catholicism (see Martin Luther and the 95 Theses, which would also make a good band name). Some of them are so exclusionary that they don’t see anyone outside their particular sect as “Christian”, which strikes me as weird, but there you go.