I think eew is an appropriate response to Danny assuming she is the one who needs to apologize, when he is the one who suddenly decided that the important part of her life that gave a constructive outlet to her violent tendencies had to go. A part she saw as giving her life value. I can understand why she thinks she needs to apologize, but Danny is just being clueless.
…riiight.
Because nearly calling him a piece of shit and dumping him on the spot for talking to his friend totally doesn’t warrant an apology. No he needs to apologize for recognising that the amazi girl thing is dangerous and unhealthy. Totally.
Or you know, he knows Amber and he knows she’s not calling him out for not apologizing to her, but that’s not a thing she would do and not how she would do it.
“I mean… I guess if you want to apologize…” is not exactly him thinking she needs to apologize, but him thinking maybe she wants to?
Danny is not being clueless. Danny is reading Amber correctly.
Pretty much everyone in the universe agrees that communication is one of the most important thing in a relationship. Amber dumped him just for broaching the topic of easing off the vigilantism. You cant have a relationship if you cant have a conversation. An apology is definitely warranted.
thejeff
He was dating Amazi-Girl, not Amber. It was Amazi-Girl who dumped him.
For telling her he liked Amber better and wanted Amazi-Girl to be let out less. At least that’s one way to look at it.
It’s possible Amazi-Girl owes him an apology, but it’s Amber who feels she does.
Classic Appa
The distinction between Amber and Amazi-girl is helpful for Amber’s mental processing but ultimately they are one individual. One can’t truly wash their hands of the others actions unless Amber is suffering from a complete psychotic break.
We kinda knew that already. He had relations with dudes in Shortpacked! and sexuality doesn’t change between universes.
Jason
I kind of felt like he was gay in the original verse, but in denial. He specifically said that only Amber (ick) could change him from a 6 on the Kinsey scale to a 3. And what about his behaviour felt like actual sexual attraction, as opposed to (unconsciously) trying to act “right”?
…And I just made Faz tragic. Damn it.
Shade
Nah. While the presentation in question was specifically aimed at Amber his point was having sex with her would change his Kinsley scale. He never said only, just that she would if she did.
Remember he did end up finding a stable relationship in the end with a woman named Wren.
King Daniel
Plus, it was based on a misunderstanding of what the Kinsey scale was.
You’re thinking of pansexuality. That’s not the same as bisexuality. Bisexuality is a sexual attraction to two genders/gender identities/gender expressions, often defined as “Male and female”. Pansexuality is sexual attraction regardless of gender/gender identity/gender expression.
some cute
Nope nope nope nope. Bisexuality is attraction to both people of the same gender as you and people of different genders than yours. It’s pretty much interchangeable with pansexuality except that people may prefer one or the other to describe themselves
JohnF
No, Bi is “that’s a hot woman, that’s a hot man”. Pan is “that’s a hot person”. There’s quite a difference.
the final pam
Bi is not limited to the gender binary? :/ You can be bi and be attracted to nb people, or even be a nb bi person
GoblinScribe
I’m not sure there’s broad consensus on this, but I think it is slightly more common to class bisexuality as signalling two attractive genders, but not limited to the *gender binary*. After all, “bi” means “two”, but it doesn’t say anything about “man and woman”.
Jason
My take- bisexuality is “I am attracted to that person and their gender/sex is part of it”, whereas pansexuality is “I am attracted to that person and their gender/sex is NOT part of it”.
ischemgeek
For me as someone who has used both labels: Pan is what I use when I don’t feel like dealing with biphobes and prefer to deal with teacher mode. They are pretty much synonyms for me. Most bi folks I know take bi as “same and different genders.”
The ‘bi’ in bisexuality does not refer to two genders. It’s a common misconception, but it actually originates from the time when psychologists believed in ‘sexual inversion’, that is to say, that gay men had female brains, and lesbians male ones, etc. But then what do you do about these pesky bi people? Well, they’ve got two types of brain at once! The original term used was ‘psychosexual hermaphrodite’, but this was somewhat of a mouthful, so they used the botany term ‘bisexual’ instead.
Go to any major website for the bi community or read any piece of bi literature, and you’ll see that they rarely tie things down to two genders. One of the most popular definitions dating back to the 90s is Robyn Och’s declaration of “the potential to be attracted—romantically and/or sexually—to people of more than one sex and/or gender, not necessarily at the same time, not necessarily in the same way, and not necessarily to the same degree.”
(Also, NB bi person here attracted to all genders, hi.)
LeslieBean4Shizzle
This.
I get really sick of people trying to use the “bi” in the word as evidence that those who prefer that term are stuck on a two gender dynamic.
To add to the above, bisexual also refers to three different spots location on the Kinsey scale (2, 3, and 4). Pan, Omni, and other similar terms are more detailed orientation descriptors but either have no place on the Kinsey scale or can only exist as solid 3s, depending on how strict your definition of what the Kinsey scale measures is (I’ve heard pan-identifying people go both ways – ha pun – on this – either that pan cannot be measured on Kinsey or that Pan is always 3).
Why is this important? Well, I identify as bisexual because I am a 4 on it – I am a person who is attracted to anyone regardless of gender BUT has a minor preference for those who present as female (my gender).
I cannot be pan or omni because those have no preferences for a specific gender. By liking everyone, but liking women slightly more than everyone else, the only term that applies to me is bi.
This is why broadly claiming that bi individuals “cannot” be attracted to all genders is both BS and terribly harmful.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
Also – arg! I can’t believe that FAZ of all people is why I’m having this conversation.
**makes disgusted gagging noises**
miina
Thanks for the awesome explanation, FinalOwen, you taught me something great today
Portland
As a bi person in a relationship with a non-binary person, I take exception to that. Bisexuality has been defined as “same and other genders”, and has explicitly included non-binary identities since at least 1990. (Look up Bisexual Manifesto.) I identify as bisexual rather than pansexual because my attraction to people of my gender (female) is distinct from my attraction to people of other genders (male, non-binary, etc), but, like most bisexual people, I don’t consider my sexuality to be limited to binary orientations.
As FinalOwen said, that’s a myth that originated from cishet outsiders labeling members of the LGBTQA community without their consent. Ultimately, the sources you should use when defining a sexuality are people who identify with that sexuality, full stop.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
Wait, you take exception to me agreeing with FinalOwen (who you also say you agree with) and adding an additional argument to support his point? Or were you talking to someone else up the thread?
Because I also agree with everything you said. You and I appear to be very similar in our views, so I would hate to think that I had somehow made it sound like I was arguing against the point of view I support.
peep
Based on the indents, it looks like Portland disagrees with AutobotDen, not you. Fwiw as a nonbinary person who IDs as bisexual I super agree with you and Portland and appreciate you both speaking about it <3 your explanation was super helpful for me, too, in figuring out why I never much identified with the pan label. I also have a preference for fem presenting people so it doesn't seem right to say I am pan but that doesn't stop me from sometimes being attracted to masc or nonbinary presenting people so. Bi works best for me
peep
Oh and FinalOwen thank you as well. And speaking as a fellow bi enby, you rock 😀
Ohmsford
This could perhaps be the only time being asexual makes my life easier. I’m not attracted to ANY of ya’ll. 😀
I’m very similar. (Though I like nb people as much as femme folk…It’s just the dudes are restricted to purely sexual attraction, not romantic.)
thejeff
That’s pretty much it. The Great Faz doesn’t fall into normal conceptions of sexuality. Much like Mike’s orientation is “whatever you don’t want it to be”.
Faz is 15. But the fact that he’s distinctly underage is a significant component of why his being aggressively sexual at literally everyone he’s actually interacted with grosses people out. (Another significant part is the fact that he is aggressively sexual at literally everyone he interacts with.)
No, I got it. I was just having trouble articulating my thoughts on the concept of “turning Danny straight”. They’re largely negative.
Jason
There’s a difference between someone saying “welp, this person hit on me, guess I’m never into their gender again lol” and literally saying a not-straight person is straight. I took the comment to be a tongue in cheek look at Danny’s PoV it hit on by Faz.
224 thoughts on “Creeping”
Ana Chronistic
eew
Plasma Mongoose
It also sounds as if you think that adding Faz to this doesn’t make everything better… 😛
Wizard
“This chart shows all of the things that cannot be improved by the addition of Faz. As you can see, it is completely blank.”
Liliet
<3
Clif
I think eew is an appropriate response to Danny assuming she is the one who needs to apologize, when he is the one who suddenly decided that the important part of her life that gave a constructive outlet to her violent tendencies had to go. A part she saw as giving her life value. I can understand why she thinks she needs to apologize, but Danny is just being clueless.
Zee
…riiight.
Because nearly calling him a piece of shit and dumping him on the spot for talking to his friend totally doesn’t warrant an apology. No he needs to apologize for recognising that the amazi girl thing is dangerous and unhealthy. Totally.
thejeff
Or you know, he knows Amber and he knows she’s not calling him out for not apologizing to her, but that’s not a thing she would do and not how she would do it.
“I mean… I guess if you want to apologize…” is not exactly him thinking she needs to apologize, but him thinking maybe she wants to?
Danny is not being clueless. Danny is reading Amber correctly.
Classic Appa
Pretty much everyone in the universe agrees that communication is one of the most important thing in a relationship. Amber dumped him just for broaching the topic of easing off the vigilantism. You cant have a relationship if you cant have a conversation. An apology is definitely warranted.
thejeff
He was dating Amazi-Girl, not Amber. It was Amazi-Girl who dumped him.
For telling her he liked Amber better and wanted Amazi-Girl to be let out less. At least that’s one way to look at it.
It’s possible Amazi-Girl owes him an apology, but it’s Amber who feels she does.
Classic Appa
The distinction between Amber and Amazi-girl is helpful for Amber’s mental processing but ultimately they are one individual. One can’t truly wash their hands of the others actions unless Amber is suffering from a complete psychotic break.
Chris Phoenix
Um, no. Danny did not ask for the apology. Danny did not even bring up the subject.
Danny said he wanted to be friends. Amber told him he should have waited to be friends until after she apologized.
Doctor_Who
And promising to not repeat a behavior is meaningless unless you can trust that person.
And you shouldn’t trust someone who isn’t your friend.
And The Cheese stands alone.
QED.
JetstreamGW
The Cheese will make that decision for himself, thank you very much!
Clif
The Cheese can go anywhere he wants to in space and time. I think that makes him a Tardis.
Ed Rhodes
Unless someone moves him!
tim gueguen
“Faz always trusts Faz, even though Faz knows Faz cannot be trusted.”
Clif
Faz has a chart which demonstrates how this works.
Stephen Bierce
The Graph Has Spoken. It Shows Up-Ness.
Regalli
OH, Amber. 🙁
JetstreamGW
God dammit.
I said “Kill it!”
Psyme
The great Faz is immortal and cannot be killed.
Wizard
If you kill him, he just respawns in a random location.
Some1
What is Faz’s powers work like Schrodinger from Hellsing?
Needfuldoer
More like Nermal. Crate him up and ship him to Abu Dhabi as many times as you want, he’ll just show up again like nothing happened.
Dave M
Faz is the DOAverse’s version of The Winslow? Man, that’s a letdown.
thejeff
“Hi!”
Rheinman
All hail the Winslow!
Dr T
EWWW!!!
Ivy
Faz is bi.
Ivy
DAMn, meant to make a separate comment fml
Some1
We kinda knew that already. He had relations with dudes in Shortpacked! and sexuality doesn’t change between universes.
Jason
I kind of felt like he was gay in the original verse, but in denial. He specifically said that only Amber (ick) could change him from a 6 on the Kinsey scale to a 3. And what about his behaviour felt like actual sexual attraction, as opposed to (unconsciously) trying to act “right”?
…And I just made Faz tragic. Damn it.
Shade
Nah. While the presentation in question was specifically aimed at Amber his point was having sex with her would change his Kinsley scale. He never said only, just that she would if she did.
Remember he did end up finding a stable relationship in the end with a woman named Wren.
King Daniel
Plus, it was based on a misunderstanding of what the Kinsey scale was.
Roborat
Wen, not Wren.
Plasma Mongoose
So now he can lewd ALL the genders.
AutobotDen
You’re thinking of pansexuality. That’s not the same as bisexuality. Bisexuality is a sexual attraction to two genders/gender identities/gender expressions, often defined as “Male and female”. Pansexuality is sexual attraction regardless of gender/gender identity/gender expression.
some cute
Nope nope nope nope. Bisexuality is attraction to both people of the same gender as you and people of different genders than yours. It’s pretty much interchangeable with pansexuality except that people may prefer one or the other to describe themselves
JohnF
No, Bi is “that’s a hot woman, that’s a hot man”. Pan is “that’s a hot person”. There’s quite a difference.
the final pam
Bi is not limited to the gender binary? :/ You can be bi and be attracted to nb people, or even be a nb bi person
GoblinScribe
I’m not sure there’s broad consensus on this, but I think it is slightly more common to class bisexuality as signalling two attractive genders, but not limited to the *gender binary*. After all, “bi” means “two”, but it doesn’t say anything about “man and woman”.
Jason
My take- bisexuality is “I am attracted to that person and their gender/sex is part of it”, whereas pansexuality is “I am attracted to that person and their gender/sex is NOT part of it”.
ischemgeek
For me as someone who has used both labels: Pan is what I use when I don’t feel like dealing with biphobes and prefer to deal with teacher mode. They are pretty much synonyms for me. Most bi folks I know take bi as “same and different genders.”
ozzi
SO which 2 of the 60+ genders is it then?
Clif
Sasquachi and Heristite.
FinalOwen
The ‘bi’ in bisexuality does not refer to two genders. It’s a common misconception, but it actually originates from the time when psychologists believed in ‘sexual inversion’, that is to say, that gay men had female brains, and lesbians male ones, etc. But then what do you do about these pesky bi people? Well, they’ve got two types of brain at once! The original term used was ‘psychosexual hermaphrodite’, but this was somewhat of a mouthful, so they used the botany term ‘bisexual’ instead.
Go to any major website for the bi community or read any piece of bi literature, and you’ll see that they rarely tie things down to two genders. One of the most popular definitions dating back to the 90s is Robyn Och’s declaration of “the potential to be attracted—romantically and/or sexually—to people of more than one sex and/or gender, not necessarily at the same time, not necessarily in the same way, and not necessarily to the same degree.”
(Also, NB bi person here attracted to all genders, hi.)
LeslieBean4Shizzle
This.
I get really sick of people trying to use the “bi” in the word as evidence that those who prefer that term are stuck on a two gender dynamic.
To add to the above, bisexual also refers to three different spots location on the Kinsey scale (2, 3, and 4). Pan, Omni, and other similar terms are more detailed orientation descriptors but either have no place on the Kinsey scale or can only exist as solid 3s, depending on how strict your definition of what the Kinsey scale measures is (I’ve heard pan-identifying people go both ways – ha pun – on this – either that pan cannot be measured on Kinsey or that Pan is always 3).
Why is this important? Well, I identify as bisexual because I am a 4 on it – I am a person who is attracted to anyone regardless of gender BUT has a minor preference for those who present as female (my gender).
I cannot be pan or omni because those have no preferences for a specific gender. By liking everyone, but liking women slightly more than everyone else, the only term that applies to me is bi.
This is why broadly claiming that bi individuals “cannot” be attracted to all genders is both BS and terribly harmful.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
Also – arg! I can’t believe that FAZ of all people is why I’m having this conversation.
**makes disgusted gagging noises**
miina
Thanks for the awesome explanation, FinalOwen, you taught me something great today
Portland
As a bi person in a relationship with a non-binary person, I take exception to that. Bisexuality has been defined as “same and other genders”, and has explicitly included non-binary identities since at least 1990. (Look up Bisexual Manifesto.) I identify as bisexual rather than pansexual because my attraction to people of my gender (female) is distinct from my attraction to people of other genders (male, non-binary, etc), but, like most bisexual people, I don’t consider my sexuality to be limited to binary orientations.
As FinalOwen said, that’s a myth that originated from cishet outsiders labeling members of the LGBTQA community without their consent. Ultimately, the sources you should use when defining a sexuality are people who identify with that sexuality, full stop.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
Wait, you take exception to me agreeing with FinalOwen (who you also say you agree with) and adding an additional argument to support his point? Or were you talking to someone else up the thread?
Because I also agree with everything you said. You and I appear to be very similar in our views, so I would hate to think that I had somehow made it sound like I was arguing against the point of view I support.
peep
Based on the indents, it looks like Portland disagrees with AutobotDen, not you. Fwiw as a nonbinary person who IDs as bisexual I super agree with you and Portland and appreciate you both speaking about it <3 your explanation was super helpful for me, too, in figuring out why I never much identified with the pan label. I also have a preference for fem presenting people so it doesn't seem right to say I am pan but that doesn't stop me from sometimes being attracted to masc or nonbinary presenting people so. Bi works best for me
peep
Oh and FinalOwen thank you as well. And speaking as a fellow bi enby, you rock 😀
Ohmsford
This could perhaps be the only time being asexual makes my life easier. I’m not attracted to ANY of ya’ll. 😀
Kamino Neko
I’m very similar. (Though I like nb people as much as femme folk…It’s just the dudes are restricted to purely sexual attraction, not romantic.)
thejeff
That’s pretty much it. The Great Faz doesn’t fall into normal conceptions of sexuality. Much like Mike’s orientation is “whatever you don’t want it to be”.
Faz’s sexual orientation is creepy.
Daddy-O
Who else but Quagmire! — uh, I mean FAZ!
(I keep expecting him to end a sentence with a “Giggity”!)
tim gueguen
“Peter, this kid is too creepy and too much of a horndog even by my standards!”
Delicious Taffy
Okay but Quagmire is actually a serial rapist.
Some1
Which makes him calling out Brian for using woman for their bodies really strange. It would be like if Ryan decided to lecture Joe about feminism.
Delicious Taffy
That entire episode was ridiculous.
Ako
But he does say that he’s honest about it, so at least he’s aware of his hipocracy
Godfather
Yeah, I can’t believe I watched that show for as long as I did without realizing how shitty Quagmire’s behavior was.
Then again, high school was a weird time.
King Daniel
“Faz is now being held hostage. Sexually, this is all Faz could ever hope for.”
Screwball
“The mighty Faz is starting to show his might…”
“OH GOD! I guess I’m straight again…” XD
Delicious Taffy
Umm?
Emperor Norton II
I’m assuming that Faz just turned Danny straight.
Delicious Taffy
UMM???
Emperor Norton II
As in, this was dialogue between Faz and Danny.
Faz: “The mighty Faz is starting to show his might…”
Danny: “OH GOD! I guess I’m straight again…”
GoblinScribe
UMMMM???
faz is twelv
Kamino Neko
Faz is 15. But the fact that he’s distinctly underage is a significant component of why his being aggressively sexual at literally everyone he’s actually interacted with grosses people out. (Another significant part is the fact that he is aggressively sexual at literally everyone he interacts with.)
Delicious Taffy
No, I got it. I was just having trouble articulating my thoughts on the concept of “turning Danny straight”. They’re largely negative.
Jason
There’s a difference between someone saying “welp, this person hit on me, guess I’m never into their gender again lol” and literally saying a not-straight person is straight. I took the comment to be a tongue in cheek look at Danny’s PoV it hit on by Faz.