See, here’s the thing “regular” (aka unadorned plain) fedoras have become the default style of “nice guys tm” and “pompous douches”, but decorated fedoras are still great hats that show one’s inner coolness and eccentricity. Just, don’t wear either a fur coat, excessive jewelry, or a suit with it. That gives of the wrong impression.
Questionor
actually those are trilbys but the douches call them fedoras. You can tell by the brim size.
Big D
It infuriates me when people don’t understand this distinction. It’s not like real fedoras are this niche, unknown thing. Indiana Jones wears one for shit’s sake.
I’ve seen people who wore real fedoras who acted like they were trilbys, and I’ve encountered so few people who know the difference I just gave up on trying to explain it, and just kinda went with the flow I guess.
Reltzik
*wikipedias*
…. huh. I guess I wear trilbys, not fedoras.
Showler
There have gotta be some decent “The Trouble with Trilbies” jokes in there somewhere.
SgtWadeyWilson
They do seem to multiply, but I’ve never asked a Klingon their opinion on trilbies, but I doubt it would be favorable.
Now I wish I had the photoshop skills to alter that classic frame so Kirk would be up to his chest in trilbies.
I don’t know that I’ve ever laughed so explosively at something on the internet as with that image.
Fine work!
jpic89
Oh thank god! Other people who know the difference!
Schol-R-LEA
I’m sure Yahtzee would disagree that people who wear trilbies are all douchebags.
No, wait, he would agree, and then say that this is exactly why he wears them himself (and writes novel characters who wear them).
Douchebag pride is a thing with him. Him and Simon Travaglia, who I am guessing wears a trilby (or a Bush hat, though that would be more of an Aussie thing, and he’s a Kiwi. Not that either of them are still in that part of the world anymore).
Schol-R-LEA
For those who don’t know who I am talking about, Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw is a game critic who makes the Zero Punctuation series, while Simon The BOFH writes the Bastard Operator From Hell series, which has been on the UK tech news site The Register since around 1998.
I expect that more people know about the former than the latter, though the BOFH stories pre-date ZP by 15 years (the earliest one is from 1992, whereas ZP began in 2007).
Reltzik
Just, don’t wear either a fur coat, excessive jewelry, or a suit with it. That gives of the wrong impression.
Please learn the difference between fedoras and trilbys. Also, please try not to prejudge people based on their choice of headgear. Please? I’ve been wearing a fedora for 35 years, and I hate the meaning people have come to associate with them (incorrectly).
Orion Fury
Agreed. Though not quite 35 years on my part.
Leorale
…you’ve been wearing fedoras since before they were uncool?
Orion Fury
I think it happened when I started wearing them, unfortunately. I also tend to exhibit many of the traits that come along with the uncoolness, sans being an overbearing mouth breather to women around me. Though mind you, I was already married to someone who didn’t mind those traits, so ymmv.
Ferret
I too have been wearing fedoras since before they were uncool. Protip: they’re still cool, but only if you wear them with a nice suit.
The swastika is still a positive symbol, if used properly. There are tons of ways to have one, without it immediately being a Nazi thing. Not tilting it at a 45-degree angle, for starters.
Leorale
I’m Jewish and will be completely creeped out by your ancient peace symbol if it can be construed as a swastika. Even a backwards or tilt-y swastika. It’s been wrrcked. Unless it’s on a huge stone stele from India with gods n’stuff, please pick another ancient symbol.
I mean, I’m not exactly advocating for using a swastika all willy-nilly, regardless of context. All I’m saying is, there are dozens of situations in which that generic symbol can be used, without any sort of Nazi-flavored implications. It’s not like I’m trying to brush over the obviously undeniable problems attached to a specific variant of the symbol, though.
HeySo
@Leorale
You did offer reasonable consideration for outside perspectives at the end of your post, so if the perspective I’m addressing doesn’t apply to you then, by all means, please dismiss any elements of my reply which indicate it as being directed toward you. I just see too many blind arguments on the topic, so I figured it’d be constructive to offer the following considerations- just in case. 🙂
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It’s kinda a big difference if the symbol pops up in western culture (where the negative interpretation is intuitive), and if it pops up in Eastern religion or mysticism, where it originated. You can’t demand entire cultures across a massive region all throw out their ancient symbology just ’cause some asshole foreigners started misappropriating it. Heck, if countries started throwing out their beliefs every time something was misappropriated by foreign assholes, they’d quickly run out of culture altogether. 😛
Put another way- the other facet of people respecting what it means to you and the interpretations it’s associated with from the related perspective, is also respecting what it means to people who have no connection to that perspective at all. What you’d be claiming, otherwise, is that the perspective of Jews- within the context of the religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism- is more important than that of that of the followers of those religions. You’d be claiming that Jewish communities are more important than those communities influenced by other faiths.
Of course, two-way interaction means that any member of those faiths who enters a context where your perspective is dominant, and doesn’t yield in respect of your perspectives, is similarly in the wrong (and perhaps even moreso, given the far less ambiguous associations the symbol has in the west).
Criticizing the political party- even the devout censorship of the symbol which Germany engages in to prevent reformation efforts- is not just warranted, it’s necessary if humanity wants to provide any influence in preventing future declines of the species into barbarism.
But engaging in unwarranted censorship, or hating on others because their perspectives are different from your own- despite them not intending any harm or insult to you, or diminishment of you? That’s favoring the very perspectives that you’re opposing. And it’s that, more than the allowance of any symbol, which is going to provide support to the kind of agency you’re expressing concern over.
I’m pretty sure anyone saying they dislike fedoras actually mean trilbies.
SgtWadeyWilson
What’s the trouble with trilbies?
I got my best compliment in one. A woman said I looked like a hitman, so I tipped my hat and smirked.
It probably helped that I had a pinstripe shirt unbuttoned over my t-shirt, plus the hat is actual felt, not one of those flimsy things you’d find at a department store.
Questionor
The bigger your shoulders the bigger your hat brim should be. Trilbys have tiny brims and should be worn only by really skinny people.
SgtWadeyWilson
By that logic, the fez would be banned.
Questionor
I mean in terms of hats in the general shape of trilby/fedora/homburg/etc.
But fezs that are not part of a costume/cosplay/uniform probably should be banned. 🙂
SgtWadeyWilson
Ah, but they did once, so I guess some people couldn’t quit cold-Turkey.
Leorale
Man, I’m a lady who looks awesome in a trilby (and indeed I have very narrow shoulders) but the neckbeards ruined them for me. :s
I do know a lady who wears a real fedora, with a red coat. She looks like Carmen Sandiego; when asked, she says she’s here to steal the Empire State Building.
I thought women wearing trilbies were immune from the neckbeard created reputation? I know I personally think it’s a lovely hat on the right person. But if that’s not the case, I’m very sorry they were tarnished.
Tawdry Quirks
Remember that the fedora originally gained popularity as a hat for strong women, and it wasn’t popular with men until about the 1920s. So the gangsters totally appropriated it from women. I say it’s high time for women to re-appropriate the fedora for ourselves.
foamy
That lady has excellent taste.
HeySo
“She looks like Carmen Sandiego; when asked, she says she’s here to steal the Empire State Building.”
Well, that’s certainly one approach to seducing me..
Thank you. It’s just a hat, so what if a few scumbag wear them? I wear one and I’m perfectly fine. Admittedly, I don’t wear it indoors like a tool and I pair it with my good dress shirts, maybe that helps?
C’mon, a fedora and a long overcoat and you’re in that happy place where you can go Doctor Who by adding a scarf, or Captain Mal by making the rest of the ensemble more “space western”. Come to think of it, it’s not a long jump to Dr Indiana Jones. Fedora and overcoat, can’t go wrong! 🙂
Hey! What’s wrong with fedoras?! I happen to have been wearing them for many years. WAY before they were cool, again. (They were pretty cool from the 1920’s to the 1950’s but kinda died out for a while).
Not inoffensive enough. He should have no trouble finding his next girlfriend to have a relationship that’ll end just like his last two for comparable reasons.
Codependents need to walk around in circles when it comes to how they perceive themselves and the world around them being contradicted. ‘Cause if he really learned and grew past those contradictions effectively, he wouldn’t really have codependent issues. Then how would he waste his energy pining for people who he isn’t aware of but know who he is to call him a ‘good egg?’ Someone’s gotta keep it real with all these sell-outs outgrowing desire to be the right archetype in the sitcom/movie/comic book/formula fiction that is our lives?!
I thought his first relationship ended because he was clingy and his last ended because her trauma pushed her toward black and white thinking resulting in an inability to handle being questioned or defied im the face of it?
Not really sure what the comparison point between the two you’re using is..?
They were secretly behind the shows Ultracar and Dexter & Monkey Master. Those that still show a desire for the shows will soon be picked up to become their agents.
425 thoughts on “Dapper”
Ana Chronistic
NO MORE PROFESSOR LAYTON FOR YOU
Orion Fury
Not Enough Layton!
Ana Chronistic
actually, with a beard, he might look a little https://www.flickr.com/photos/42339166@N00/3982700464
Needfuldoer
This video was all he needed to start his free-fall into… Uke Madness!
Schol-R-LEA
Does that mean Joe will go into SEM
ME madness?The_L1985
I still don’t think Joe swings that way.
butts
well hey at least it’s not a fedora
Mandy
That’s very true. I’ll take a cabbie hat over a fedora any day.
Doctor_Who
Maybe Danny could wear a bowler, and grow a curled mustache?
Mandy
I’m not sure why but I get the feeling that Danny can’t really grow facial hair. Or at least not enough for a handlebar.
MatsuoTanuki
What about a Dali? Length over thickness.
Delicious Taffy
There is absolutely nothing wrong with fedoras.
Doctor_Who
It’s the people living under them that are the problem.
Time Sage
One of my best freinds wears a fedora 😐
Also, Red Mages wear a fedora with a feather. I want a red fedora with a feather.
Reltzik
That’s definitely one way to pimp out a fedora.
Rukduk
See, here’s the thing “regular” (aka unadorned plain) fedoras have become the default style of “nice guys tm” and “pompous douches”, but decorated fedoras are still great hats that show one’s inner coolness and eccentricity. Just, don’t wear either a fur coat, excessive jewelry, or a suit with it. That gives of the wrong impression.
Questionor
actually those are trilbys but the douches call them fedoras. You can tell by the brim size.
Big D
It infuriates me when people don’t understand this distinction. It’s not like real fedoras are this niche, unknown thing. Indiana Jones wears one for shit’s sake.
Rukduk
I’ve seen people who wore real fedoras who acted like they were trilbys, and I’ve encountered so few people who know the difference I just gave up on trying to explain it, and just kinda went with the flow I guess.
Reltzik
*wikipedias*
…. huh. I guess I wear trilbys, not fedoras.
Showler
There have gotta be some decent “The Trouble with Trilbies” jokes in there somewhere.
SgtWadeyWilson
They do seem to multiply, but I’ve never asked a Klingon their opinion on trilbies, but I doubt it would be favorable.
Now I wish I had the photoshop skills to alter that classic frame so Kirk would be up to his chest in trilbies.
thecerpent
Here.
Sarah Lea
I don’t know that I’ve ever laughed so explosively at something on the internet as with that image.
Fine work!
jpic89
Oh thank god! Other people who know the difference!
Schol-R-LEA
I’m sure Yahtzee would disagree that people who wear trilbies are all douchebags.
No, wait, he would agree, and then say that this is exactly why he wears them himself (and writes novel characters who wear them).
Douchebag pride is a thing with him. Him and Simon Travaglia, who I am guessing wears a trilby (or a Bush hat, though that would be more of an Aussie thing, and he’s a Kiwi. Not that either of them are still in that part of the world anymore).
Schol-R-LEA
For those who don’t know who I am talking about, Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw is a game critic who makes the Zero Punctuation series, while Simon The BOFH writes the Bastard Operator From Hell series, which has been on the UK tech news site The Register since around 1998.
I expect that more people know about the former than the latter, though the BOFH stories pre-date ZP by 15 years (the earliest one is from 1992, whereas ZP began in 2007).
Reltzik
Just, don’t wear either a fur coat, excessive jewelry, or a suit with it. That gives of the wrong impression.
*points to pun just above*
Rukduk
…How the hell did I miss that?
Schol-R-LEA
Hey, not all hipster bongoes have goatees and wear trilbies. Some have full beards and shaved heads, and wear wifebeaters, instead.
(Someone snarking that still others are fat Brits who wear black suits and red shades, and collect Boglins, three… two… one…)
AveAves
That’s where you’re wrong friend
GuruBuckaroo
Please learn the difference between fedoras and trilbys. Also, please try not to prejudge people based on their choice of headgear. Please? I’ve been wearing a fedora for 35 years, and I hate the meaning people have come to associate with them (incorrectly).
Orion Fury
Agreed. Though not quite 35 years on my part.
Leorale
…you’ve been wearing fedoras since before they were uncool?
Orion Fury
I think it happened when I started wearing them, unfortunately. I also tend to exhibit many of the traits that come along with the uncoolness, sans being an overbearing mouth breather to women around me. Though mind you, I was already married to someone who didn’t mind those traits, so ymmv.
Ferret
I too have been wearing fedoras since before they were uncool. Protip: they’re still cool, but only if you wear them with a nice suit.
Delicious Taffy
The swastika is still a positive symbol, if used properly. There are tons of ways to have one, without it immediately being a Nazi thing. Not tilting it at a 45-degree angle, for starters.
Leorale
I’m Jewish and will be completely creeped out by your ancient peace symbol if it can be construed as a swastika. Even a backwards or tilt-y swastika. It’s been wrrcked. Unless it’s on a huge stone stele from India with gods n’stuff, please pick another ancient symbol.
Delicious Taffy
I mean, I’m not exactly advocating for using a swastika all willy-nilly, regardless of context. All I’m saying is, there are dozens of situations in which that generic symbol can be used, without any sort of Nazi-flavored implications. It’s not like I’m trying to brush over the obviously undeniable problems attached to a specific variant of the symbol, though.
HeySo
@Leorale
You did offer reasonable consideration for outside perspectives at the end of your post, so if the perspective I’m addressing doesn’t apply to you then, by all means, please dismiss any elements of my reply which indicate it as being directed toward you. I just see too many blind arguments on the topic, so I figured it’d be constructive to offer the following considerations- just in case. 🙂
—
It’s kinda a big difference if the symbol pops up in western culture (where the negative interpretation is intuitive), and if it pops up in Eastern religion or mysticism, where it originated. You can’t demand entire cultures across a massive region all throw out their ancient symbology just ’cause some asshole foreigners started misappropriating it. Heck, if countries started throwing out their beliefs every time something was misappropriated by foreign assholes, they’d quickly run out of culture altogether. 😛
Put another way- the other facet of people respecting what it means to you and the interpretations it’s associated with from the related perspective, is also respecting what it means to people who have no connection to that perspective at all. What you’d be claiming, otherwise, is that the perspective of Jews- within the context of the religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism- is more important than that of that of the followers of those religions. You’d be claiming that Jewish communities are more important than those communities influenced by other faiths.
Of course, two-way interaction means that any member of those faiths who enters a context where your perspective is dominant, and doesn’t yield in respect of your perspectives, is similarly in the wrong (and perhaps even moreso, given the far less ambiguous associations the symbol has in the west).
Criticizing the political party- even the devout censorship of the symbol which Germany engages in to prevent reformation efforts- is not just warranted, it’s necessary if humanity wants to provide any influence in preventing future declines of the species into barbarism.
But engaging in unwarranted censorship, or hating on others because their perspectives are different from your own- despite them not intending any harm or insult to you, or diminishment of you? That’s favoring the very perspectives that you’re opposing. And it’s that, more than the allowance of any symbol, which is going to provide support to the kind of agency you’re expressing concern over.
zoelogical
i mean like…just because it’s a trilby doesn’t mean they don’t call them fedoras anyways
Brian K. Pittman
Correct. Now trilbies, those are the problem.
K^2
I’m pretty sure anyone saying they dislike fedoras actually mean trilbies.
SgtWadeyWilson
What’s the trouble with trilbies?
I got my best compliment in one. A woman said I looked like a hitman, so I tipped my hat and smirked.
It probably helped that I had a pinstripe shirt unbuttoned over my t-shirt, plus the hat is actual felt, not one of those flimsy things you’d find at a department store.
Questionor
The bigger your shoulders the bigger your hat brim should be. Trilbys have tiny brims and should be worn only by really skinny people.
SgtWadeyWilson
By that logic, the fez would be banned.
Questionor
I mean in terms of hats in the general shape of trilby/fedora/homburg/etc.
But fezs that are not part of a costume/cosplay/uniform probably should be banned. 🙂
SgtWadeyWilson
Ah, but they did once, so I guess some people couldn’t quit cold-Turkey.
Leorale
Man, I’m a lady who looks awesome in a trilby (and indeed I have very narrow shoulders) but the neckbeards ruined them for me. :s
I do know a lady who wears a real fedora, with a red coat. She looks like Carmen Sandiego; when asked, she says she’s here to steal the Empire State Building.
Rukduk
I thought women wearing trilbies were immune from the neckbeard created reputation? I know I personally think it’s a lovely hat on the right person. But if that’s not the case, I’m very sorry they were tarnished.
Tawdry Quirks
Remember that the fedora originally gained popularity as a hat for strong women, and it wasn’t popular with men until about the 1920s. So the gangsters totally appropriated it from women. I say it’s high time for women to re-appropriate the fedora for ourselves.
foamy
That lady has excellent taste.
HeySo
“She looks like Carmen Sandiego; when asked, she says she’s here to steal the Empire State Building.”
Well, that’s certainly one approach to seducing me..
I mean, this guy gets it: https://youtu.be/PkO-XYoQ1xU?t=387
HeySo
Sorry, here’s a no-commentary link: https://youtu.be/vq_I7WSNaPs?t=1609
Dean
Sinatra wore a trilby, but he was a little guy so he made it work. On bigger guys, it looks like the tip of a condom.
Reltzik
They’re full of trouble. Filled right up to the brim.
ProfessorDetective
Thank you. It’s just a hat, so what if a few scumbag wear them? I wear one and I’m perfectly fine. Admittedly, I don’t wear it indoors like a tool and I pair it with my good dress shirts, maybe that helps?
Lingo
Ugh. It reminds me of a really annoying contestant on a recent season of The Amazing Race.
zoelogical
yes. absolutely. thank you.
butts
Who can figure out the true reason why butts said “fedora” instead of trilby ??? Enjoy!*
*it was definitely to start this whole ridiculous debate**
**definitely not because i forgot the difference in my hurry to post right as the strip came out
Khno
To me y’all sporting tyrolean hats…
DaveM
C’mon, a fedora and a long overcoat and you’re in that happy place where you can go Doctor Who by adding a scarf, or Captain Mal by making the rest of the ensemble more “space western”. Come to think of it, it’s not a long jump to Dr Indiana Jones. Fedora and overcoat, can’t go wrong! 🙂
JasonAW3
Hey! What’s wrong with fedoras?! I happen to have been wearing them for many years. WAY before they were cool, again. (They were pretty cool from the 1920’s to the 1950’s but kinda died out for a while).
Armchair Daemon Slayer
Not inoffensive enough. He should have no trouble finding his next girlfriend to have a relationship that’ll end just like his last two for comparable reasons.
Codependents need to walk around in circles when it comes to how they perceive themselves and the world around them being contradicted. ‘Cause if he really learned and grew past those contradictions effectively, he wouldn’t really have codependent issues. Then how would he waste his energy pining for people who he isn’t aware of but know who he is to call him a ‘good egg?’ Someone’s gotta keep it real with all these sell-outs outgrowing desire to be the right archetype in the sitcom/movie/comic book/formula fiction that is our lives?!
Misteline
I thought his first relationship ended because he was clingy and his last ended because her trauma pushed her toward black and white thinking resulting in an inability to handle being questioned or defied im the face of it?
Not really sure what the comparison point between the two you’re using is..?
AnvilPro
Joe may have succeeded if he has just been wearing a shirt
Madock345
I feel like that would have made the offer less tempting 😛
butting
I dunno, I think Danny probably sees him more as Joyce sees Becky. Half-naked cuddling would be awkward, not a reward.
(apart for as a reward to slipshine subscribers?)
Optimal Optimus
Aw, not more of this stuff.
Orion Fury
He’s gone right round the bend back to Roomies. Should make the introduction of SEMME interesting though.
SgtWadeyWilson
Uke…
SEMME…
Why does that ring a bell? *Scratches head.* Hmm…
Orion Fury
They were secretly behind the shows Ultracar and Dexter & Monkey Master. Those that still show a desire for the shows will soon be picked up to become their agents.
Madock345
This is the best stuff
Stu
Apparently he’s known as “the guy that hung around that girl that tore the everloving shit out of that accused rapist”.