I sincerely doubt Walky wants to walk with Sarah. I don’t recall how Sarah feels about Walky, or if they have even had a conversation, but I feel like if they were going to be friendly, that ship has sailed.
They consider themselves to be in the same friend group.
Walky described her as the mean friend that acts as the temporary parent when there are no parents.
Sarah claimed that Lucy is outside the group, only there by benefit of Walky, thus implying that Walky is within the group.
Walky did more or less defend Sarah to Raidah, appreciating that she’s the type of person who would be upfront about finding him annoying rather than not liking him behind his back.
Sarah doesn’t exactly like Walky, but she does apparently feel enough of a connection to him to be bothered that he agreed to breakfast with Raidah in front of her (before acknowledging that it was ok since it inflicted him on Raidah).
So they’re not frenemies like Walky and Joyce are, and they’re definitely not siblings like Walky and Sal, Walky and Jennifer, or Sarah and Joyce, but they do consider themselves more than acquaintances if only due to their close proximity to Joyce and the group’s trauma bond.
ABunchOTrees
And yet Sarah is walking to class with Lucy, not Walky.
clif
Does Sarah know there’re (presumably) broken up. I’m pretty sure Joyce doesn’t know.
cbwroses
No. She’s walking with Joyce.
You can even say she’s walking with the group, of which both Walky and Lucy are a part of as I doubt any of them have noticed Walky hasn’t kept up, yet.
But you can’t claim she’s CHOOSING to walk with Lucy INSTEAD of walking with Walky, yet, since we haven’t seen any acknowledgment of a choice having been made or could be made.
Taffy
Yeah, but nobody claimed that. Sarah is walking to class, and Lucy is there while Walky isn’t. The reason he’s not there doesn’t change the raw, base reality of who’s present or not.
cbwroses
The choice is implied by ABunchOTrees word choice in response to my comment Taffy.
My comment was about how Sarah and Walky consider themselves to be in the same friend group.
Saying that Sarah is walking with Lucy and not Walky in response to that changes the context of the statement from being simply one of fact to being one counter to mine, especially since no one had mentioned Lucy at all prior to that.
Sarah at least felt negatively enough toward Walky to give Lucy that unsolicited “you can do better” admonition.
Miri
That was more a “there are plenty of boys who DON’T have racist parents. That’s kinda going to be the sort of a problem in a relationship that shouldn’t be on you to fix, is largely going to be beyond your fixing, and will hurt you time and again until it kills the relationship. Save yourself some time. He’s not a bad guy, but he’s not so amazing you won’t move on and meet somebody who you can be happier with.” message than a “Walky’s a lazy slob. You seem to largely have it together. Why are you wasting your time with the loser?” one.
The first one acknowledges that the main problem isn’t Walky himself, but also you shouldn’t do what my sister did when she was I think 16 and her boyfriend was a bit controlling/manipulative and she’d basically stopped making plans with her friends because she didn’t want to break them when he offered her some crumbs of affection said that he could see her [specific, short-notice time slot], otherwise they wouldn’t see each other for at least a week… She recognised that this was a bit rubbish but when I was telling her to dump him and enjoy her life, she’d wail at me that she was worried that then she’d be alone forever.
She was 16. Lucy’s maybe 19? Plenty of time!! Also, WAY better to be alone than with the wrong person.
Didnt realize that he really doesn’t have guy friend until now.
Mike is dead. Loves making fun if Danny too much. Joe seems to think he’s immature. Seems to not know the rest or the male cast outside of maybe Ethan.
The only guy friend he really has is Asher and that feels like it a matchstick away from combustion due a combination of Raidah’s manipulation, Sal’s past with the guy, Asher’s part in Mike’s death, and that Jennifer is really in denial about wanting to smooch Walky.
??? I’m not attacking that viewpoint, i’m literally just asking.
Taffy
That’s the same thing, to some people. If you don’t have a problem with something, you usually won’t question it, so to some people (silly people), asking a question means you have a problem and are complaining about or even attacking the something. To the incurious, curiosity is a sin.
Taffy
I should clarify that I’m not calling hedge incurious, I’m only sharing an observation. Maybe it’s not strictly relevant.
I guess the idea is that since he’s a guy, there are things only guys could 100% relate to and talk to him about? I’m gonna tread very lightly here, but I’m wondering if trans people are included in that, or if folks are solely meaning him talking to other cismen. It’s a little strange, but I think I can kinda see where folks are coming from, and like the color adjustment said, his relationship with his masculinity is a little fuckin’ strange. Come to think of it, he’s been called on that at least once, regarding his “one pair of shoes” nonsense. Idk, it might be good for him to talk to masculine dudes who don’t have such a weird relationship with that part of themselves. I don’t fully see it, but maybe.
HueSatLight
I know Malaya’s nb/fluid/whatever, but they’d be a pretty good guy friend for Walky. Some non-serious bickering with each other, calling out each other’s shit. They’d both take the edge off of each other, for other people around them.
I can see them wrastling in the grassy area next to a sidewalk.
M: tie your shoes or get fuckin velcro, dude
W: I was going to get velcro, but Dorothy …
M: [mockingly] meep meep meep meep, Dorothy said meep meep meep
W: [glare]
M: grow up and buy yourself some children’s shoes or I’ll kick your ass
W: oh you think you could? let’s go right now
It also seems a bit dubious that Lucy has come over to wait outside his dorm doors when she knows he’ll be needing to come out and get to class, and that that is contributing to him being late-to/missing class.
Per his post on Twitter, it’s his wife that’s sick (with COVID, it ain’t over, wear your mask kids) but he’s staying home both to prevent spread and for childcare reasons.
Sarah and Joyce just tolerate it, but I think that if suddenly Walky is no longer taken into account by that pair even if there is no friendship as such, it would be something sad to see, but it seems that Walky is also slowing down for another reason. .
I want Walky to see someone else trip over their own shoelaces and comment on how they shouldn’t run with their shoelaces untied, and then for them to get all indignant about how he does it all the time, I feel like there’s some good comedic potential there somewhere.
I’ve said it before, Walky desperately needs different friends.
Granted, nobody in this group is really his friend anyways, but dude needs more than just his sister. Go find Asher, Walky, he’s probably still in your dorm because of Ethan lol (I have no earthly clue the layout of the dorms here or who sleeps where)
Every person he’s really hit it off with since he got to college is now his ex, which can be kind of awkward. But it seems like he and Amber still have good vibes. He should just hang out with her, Becky and Dina tbh. At least he gets along with all of them.
The only thing that intrigues me is if I can really see Dorothy’s face, I mean, in Karaoke she clearly sang what she felt, but what else had happened the night before?
He doesn’t need different friends. His friends just aren’t here. People that have a genuine friendly dynamic with him are Becky, Amber, and Dorothy. (Asher potentially too.) He’s always been more of a tolerated presence to Joyce and Sarah.
Joyce actually described Walky as family when she first found out Becky ran away from home, so I think their relationship is closer to frenemies than to simply say she tolerates him.
I believe they would miss messing with each other.
Sirksome
Family and friends are two different things. I don’t consider Sal or Jennifer his friends either. Family is a connection you have maybe even a loving one but you don’t have to like your family. Friends are people you actually enjoy being with and they enjoy being with you and you elect to spend time with them just for fun. You can love your friends like family but family don’t have to be your friends and that is the difference to me. Walky doesn’t have a that with Sarah or Joyce despite them being friends on paper. I don’t see either of them electing to spend free time with Walky like Becky or Amber might. We’re even seeing that now.
cbwroses
The problem with that is, unlike Sal and Walky, Joyce and Walky is CHOSEN family.
Joyce has chosen to view Walky like that, which is why I say it’s more than her tolerating him (I never said she likes him).
I said I believe they would miss messing with each other.
Why didn’t I say the same about Sarah?
Because I do believe that Sarah tolerates him.
If Walky disappeared for a few days, Joyce would eventually wonder what happened to him.
Sarah wouldn’t, at least not until others did, and maybe not even then.
Is IU one of those places that has double doors but only ever unlocks one side? This is the second time people have complained about blockages rather than, you, going around.
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DarkoNeko
well then.
clif
I only speak English.
elebenty
+1
Amós Batista
Tudo bem, ninguém é perfeito.
HueSatLight
lol
DarkoNeko
c’est OK, personne n’est parfait.
Ana Chronistic
forgot from being too eager to not actually go to class, probs
…couldn’t be that he wanted SARAH’S company…?
Kyrik Michalowski
I sincerely doubt Walky wants to walk with Sarah. I don’t recall how Sarah feels about Walky, or if they have even had a conversation, but I feel like if they were going to be friendly, that ship has sailed.
cbwroses
They consider themselves to be in the same friend group.
Walky described her as the mean friend that acts as the temporary parent when there are no parents.
Sarah claimed that Lucy is outside the group, only there by benefit of Walky, thus implying that Walky is within the group.
Walky did more or less defend Sarah to Raidah, appreciating that she’s the type of person who would be upfront about finding him annoying rather than not liking him behind his back.
Sarah doesn’t exactly like Walky, but she does apparently feel enough of a connection to him to be bothered that he agreed to breakfast with Raidah in front of her (before acknowledging that it was ok since it inflicted him on Raidah).
So they’re not frenemies like Walky and Joyce are, and they’re definitely not siblings like Walky and Sal, Walky and Jennifer, or Sarah and Joyce, but they do consider themselves more than acquaintances if only due to their close proximity to Joyce and the group’s trauma bond.
ABunchOTrees
And yet Sarah is walking to class with Lucy, not Walky.
clif
Does Sarah know there’re (presumably) broken up. I’m pretty sure Joyce doesn’t know.
cbwroses
No. She’s walking with Joyce.
You can even say she’s walking with the group, of which both Walky and Lucy are a part of as I doubt any of them have noticed Walky hasn’t kept up, yet.
But you can’t claim she’s CHOOSING to walk with Lucy INSTEAD of walking with Walky, yet, since we haven’t seen any acknowledgment of a choice having been made or could be made.
Taffy
Yeah, but nobody claimed that. Sarah is walking to class, and Lucy is there while Walky isn’t. The reason he’s not there doesn’t change the raw, base reality of who’s present or not.
cbwroses
The choice is implied by ABunchOTrees word choice in response to my comment Taffy.
My comment was about how Sarah and Walky consider themselves to be in the same friend group.
Saying that Sarah is walking with Lucy and not Walky in response to that changes the context of the statement from being simply one of fact to being one counter to mine, especially since no one had mentioned Lucy at all prior to that.
PedanticJerkass
“I don’t recall how Sarah feels about Walky”
Sarah at least felt negatively enough toward Walky to give Lucy that unsolicited “you can do better” admonition.
Miri
That was more a “there are plenty of boys who DON’T have racist parents. That’s kinda going to be the sort of a problem in a relationship that shouldn’t be on you to fix, is largely going to be beyond your fixing, and will hurt you time and again until it kills the relationship. Save yourself some time. He’s not a bad guy, but he’s not so amazing you won’t move on and meet somebody who you can be happier with.” message than a “Walky’s a lazy slob. You seem to largely have it together. Why are you wasting your time with the loser?” one.
The first one acknowledges that the main problem isn’t Walky himself, but also you shouldn’t do what my sister did when she was I think 16 and her boyfriend was a bit controlling/manipulative and she’d basically stopped making plans with her friends because she didn’t want to break them when he
offered her some crumbs of affectionsaid that he could see her [specific, short-notice time slot], otherwise they wouldn’t see each other for at least a week… She recognised that this was a bit rubbish but when I was telling her to dump him and enjoy her life, she’d wail at me that she was worried that then she’d be alone forever.She was 16. Lucy’s maybe 19? Plenty of time!! Also, WAY better to be alone than with the wrong person.
Sirksome
I don’t know what’s going on here but Walky should not feel like he can’t walk with his friends. Also he might need some guy friends.
Hoboturtle
Didnt realize that he really doesn’t have guy friend until now.
Mike is dead. Loves making fun if Danny too much. Joe seems to think he’s immature. Seems to not know the rest or the male cast outside of maybe Ethan.
The only guy friend he really has is Asher and that feels like it a matchstick away from combustion due a combination of Raidah’s manipulation, Sal’s past with the guy, Asher’s part in Mike’s death, and that Jennifer is really in denial about wanting to smooch Walky.
cbwroses
Walky could definitely use some more guy friends.
I doubt he’d give a crap about Danny if dude didn’t openly hate him for insane reasons.
He and Joe actually get along with each other despite their different forms of toxic masculinity, but they don’t seek each other out.
I don’t think he knows how to talk to Ethan, even before Mike’s death.
He’s aware of Jacob, but I don’t think they’ve ever interacted solo.
He’s actually been shown to know most of the guys in his wing, even to the point of knowing their game consoles, but all that has been off panel.
Asher would be the best and worst choice for a close guy friend for reasons you’ve already mentioned.
Freemage
How about Jason?
cbwroses
Jason is great providing they’re both drunk.
clif
Walky has plenty of guy friends that he knows well enough to grunt at in the hallway.
HueSatLight
I think he prefers being kind of an asshole to them instead. https://www.dumbingofage.com/yawnchasm/ https://www.dumbingofage.com/plebs/
He could hang out with Jason more, they deserve each other. Off panel though pls.
Schpoonman
Jason freaking out at Walky appearing after he was fired for sleeping with Sal was one of the funniest strips in the whole comic, though.
Lars
Well, there is Booster and … Arnold+Ken? Maybe Walky can team up with his other universe brother Beef.
Nymph
Booster is not a guy friend.
Booster is nonbinary.
The Oracle
That doesn’t matter to bigots.
milu
Why would Walky need guy friends? What’s the thinking here?
thejeff
I don’t know, but it’s a recurring theme.
shrub
It’s good to have a wide friendship group, get different points of view, that kind of thing
Sometimes it’s easier for people to share things with others who have had the same experiences as you
Shocking I know
milu
??? I’m not attacking that viewpoint, i’m literally just asking.
Taffy
That’s the same thing, to some people. If you don’t have a problem with something, you usually won’t question it, so to some people (silly people), asking a question means you have a problem and are complaining about or even attacking the something. To the incurious, curiosity is a sin.
Taffy
I should clarify that I’m not calling hedge incurious, I’m only sharing an observation. Maybe it’s not strictly relevant.
HueSatLight
He has a view of masculinity that’s bad for him, and not great for people around him. He thinks he’s not supposed to have guy friends.
Taffy
I guess the idea is that since he’s a guy, there are things only guys could 100% relate to and talk to him about? I’m gonna tread very lightly here, but I’m wondering if trans people are included in that, or if folks are solely meaning him talking to other cismen. It’s a little strange, but I think I can kinda see where folks are coming from, and like the color adjustment said, his relationship with his masculinity is a little fuckin’ strange. Come to think of it, he’s been called on that at least once, regarding his “one pair of shoes” nonsense. Idk, it might be good for him to talk to masculine dudes who don’t have such a weird relationship with that part of themselves. I don’t fully see it, but maybe.
HueSatLight
I know Malaya’s nb/fluid/whatever, but they’d be a pretty good guy friend for Walky. Some non-serious bickering with each other, calling out each other’s shit. They’d both take the edge off of each other, for other people around them.
I can see them wrastling in the grassy area next to a sidewalk.
M: tie your shoes or get fuckin velcro, dude
W: I was going to get velcro, but Dorothy …
M: [mockingly] meep meep meep meep, Dorothy said meep meep meep
W: [glare]
M: grow up and buy yourself some children’s shoes or I’ll kick your ass
W: oh you think you could? let’s go right now
Walky obviously loses a shoe in the scuffle
Allen Alberti
Honestly from my experience, guy friends are overrated, and I am a cishet (if gray ace counts as het) white male.
shrub
Agreed
RowenMorland
It also seems a bit dubious that Lucy has come over to wait outside his dorm doors when she knows he’ll be needing to come out and get to class, and that that is contributing to him being late-to/missing class.
True Survivor
Awww man, Willis canceled his thing. I would never be able to go anyway, but he must really feel under the weather. I hope he feels better soon.
Joe Helfrich
Per his post on Twitter, it’s his wife that’s sick (with COVID, it ain’t over, wear your mask kids) but he’s staying home both to prevent spread and for childcare reasons.
cain
A good call on Willis’s part. Hope everyone recovers smoothly.
FlamestAndLight
Ooof. Getting ignored like that does not feel good
Coatl
Sarah and Joyce just tolerate it, but I think that if suddenly Walky is no longer taken into account by that pair even if there is no friendship as such, it would be something sad to see, but it seems that Walky is also slowing down for another reason. .
Coatl
It amazes me that all the times Walky has been running, he has never tripped because his shoes were loose.
HueSatLight
It would be good physical comedy.
Aura
I want Walky to see someone else trip over their own shoelaces and comment on how they shouldn’t run with their shoelaces untied, and then for them to get all indignant about how he does it all the time, I feel like there’s some good comedic potential there somewhere.
Needfuldoer
It’s one of his latent superpowers.
Bittersweet
I’ve said it before, Walky desperately needs different friends.
Granted, nobody in this group is really his friend anyways, but dude needs more than just his sister. Go find Asher, Walky, he’s probably still in your dorm because of Ethan lol (I have no earthly clue the layout of the dorms here or who sleeps where)
Coatl
Maybe he’s the option she needs and the first friend she really needs, of course, Jennifer will be complaining about that, as always.
Coatl
*He needs
sakamism
Every person he’s really hit it off with since he got to college is now his ex, which can be kind of awkward. But it seems like he and Amber still have good vibes. He should just hang out with her, Becky and Dina tbh. At least he gets along with all of them.
Coatl
The only thing that intrigues me is if I can really see Dorothy’s face, I mean, in Karaoke she clearly sang what she felt, but what else had happened the night before?
clif
Sometimes a Karaoke is just a Karaoke.
Sirksome
He doesn’t need different friends. His friends just aren’t here. People that have a genuine friendly dynamic with him are Becky, Amber, and Dorothy. (Asher potentially too.) He’s always been more of a tolerated presence to Joyce and Sarah.
Coatl
I was just commenting to Sakamism that if he really is at peace with Dorothy, she sang but they didn’t show what else happened that night.
Needfuldoer
He seems to be more at peace with their relationship than she is.
Disastroid
That happens all the time when you convince yourself that the other person deserves better than you.
cbwroses
Joyce actually described Walky as family when she first found out Becky ran away from home, so I think their relationship is closer to frenemies than to simply say she tolerates him.
I believe they would miss messing with each other.
Sirksome
Family and friends are two different things. I don’t consider Sal or Jennifer his friends either. Family is a connection you have maybe even a loving one but you don’t have to like your family. Friends are people you actually enjoy being with and they enjoy being with you and you elect to spend time with them just for fun. You can love your friends like family but family don’t have to be your friends and that is the difference to me. Walky doesn’t have a that with Sarah or Joyce despite them being friends on paper. I don’t see either of them electing to spend free time with Walky like Becky or Amber might. We’re even seeing that now.
cbwroses
The problem with that is, unlike Sal and Walky, Joyce and Walky is CHOSEN family.
Joyce has chosen to view Walky like that, which is why I say it’s more than her tolerating him (I never said she likes him).
I said I believe they would miss messing with each other.
Why didn’t I say the same about Sarah?
Because I do believe that Sarah tolerates him.
If Walky disappeared for a few days, Joyce would eventually wonder what happened to him.
Sarah wouldn’t, at least not until others did, and maybe not even then.
Mark
Maybe he can quit school and go get a job in Garfield. They’re understaffed — I don’t think Lyman is ever coming back.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
Is IU one of those places that has double doors but only ever unlocks one side? This is the second time people have complained about blockages rather than, you, going around.
Kyrik Michalowski
I get the feeling that Walky is going to go back to his room, and skip class today. I can’t really blame him, but I do wonder what he is thinking.
What do y’all think?
HueSatLight
I think he intends to go to class right now, but once he’s back in his room, he’ll decide it’s too uncomfortable. Maybe ‘decide’ is too strong a word.
Needfuldoer
I think he genuinely forgot his bag. #justadhdthings
Maybe he’ll run into Asher in the hallway.
clif
Walky goes in. Reginald Thingley comes out.
Mturtle7
Oh thank goodness, I’m not the only one who thought this.
Schpoonman
Same. The urgency wouldn’t be there if he weren’t actually trying to attend class.
NGPZ