I had a teacher who said if we could substitute ‘kumquat’ in the sentence then it wasn’t a good enough sentence.
Most of the time my sentences were “[Word] means [definition].”
Paul
Teacher: Use ‘orange’ in a sentence.
Pupil: An orange is a brightly coloured edible citrus fruit with a juicy centre.
Teacher: *substitutes ‘kumquat’ in sentence* “FAIL!”
Might be an obvious dodge. I’d wager it’s more of a “it’s the last panel, we don’t have time to address this very valid point, besides we need a joke here”.
This sort of thing happens a lot (like, see yesterday, where the last panel was a joke about samesie fists instead of jumping into the obvious subject for this scene).
I hope this isn’t what Willis is going for. There’s no “valid” trauma that justifies being a butt, and comparing sources of grief kind of sucks. I know Willis is trying to do a “Joyce checks her privilege as a white Christian-atheist” arc, but this isn’t it.
adam Black
That isnt whats happening. Joyce is auto biographical.
and in this scene Dorothy is probably too
Needfuldoer
Sometimes you look back on yourself and think “dude, uncool.” Hopefully, that’s what Dorothy represents here.
Spencer
Okay so I kinda want to talk about this, I’m not entirely sure how to phrase it correctly because I think asking sounds accusatory, but really I want to know for the topic itself.
Is it not weird to talk about an actual person’s complex relationship with a personal topic in relation to the fiction they create, especially when it involves speculating on them as a person?
I know the FAQ starts with “Joyce is autobiographical” where Willis shares info on their fundamentalist upbringing, but I think from there my objection is that talking about Joyce being autobiographical is something they’ve shared with us and how it informs their writing of Joyce as a character and through a deeply authentic lens. I feel that “this is Willis looking back on themself when they deconverted and going yikes” is kinda like invoking the author themself in the fiction they write? Like we’re not talking about their work of fiction anymore or the influences their life has had, we’re speculating on them as a person and how they themself feel about a complex and personal topic.
Adding to the above, “looking back on yourself and thinking ‘dude, uncool'” can absolutely be the intent. I know how I’ve been processing this storyline, but I’d feel weird if my read of the story was influenced by trying to treat a real person as part of the speculation.
I reiterate that this isn’t meant to be accusatory or judgmental, though I think I screwed that up with my last line, or that we’re going all Parasocial Relationship like how finding out John Mulaney divorced his wife became grounds for water cooler talk. It’s something I can really only understand in that if it happened to me it would upset me, that sharing myself led to me becoming part of my audience’s fiction, and I suppose I want to know if it’s an appropriate avenue of conversation since I see it crop up with artists every once in a while.
Needfuldoer
It’s probably reading a little too much into it, but on the other hand I cringe at younger me all the time so there’s probably some projection there.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
adam Black
I dont think its that weird.
Willis has affirmed over and Over that everything related to Joyce and her relationship to a fundie upbringing is autoBio.
Everystrip he does had a main author avatar.
As for him looking back at himself and Yikesing ,
Just read his own comments on his republished Roomies scripts.
No Para social relationship necessary, just Paint By numbers media literacy and criticism. That the author turned Atheist & eventually soured on douchy public New Ashiests is historic. Their twitter is literally on every page. You dont have to read every Tumblr to know it.
“Like we’re not talking about their work of fiction anymore or the influences their life has had, we’re speculating on them as a person and how they themself feel about a complex and personal topic.”
This IS the Literal definition of “Autobiographical” so , Yeah. Thats how autobiography works. It shouldnt even be controversial at this point as Joyce has started drawing her in comic version of Roomies.
At some Point Ethan, Amber , Joe and Walky will induct Joyce into their Transformers Cult and the story will end with Joyce drawing dinobot comics forever.
Doki
As a creator myself, if I had a character who was meant to be largely autobiographical (or at least a huge aspect of them was like Joyce’s upbringing) and I had indicated publicly that was the case, then no, I don’t think it would be weird at all for my audience to consider that while reading and analyzing it. In fact, I’d probably want that to a degree!
What would be weird, to me, would be if the audience inferred something was autobiographical when I had never indicated it was. Which does happen to some creators. :C
Sev
I’m late catching up on DoA, but this comment reminded me of the preface to A Hero of Our Time (Russian novel from 1840) in which the author, Lermontov, responded to criticisms of the morality of the hero: ‘This book recently had the misfortune of being taken literally by some readers and even some reviewers. Some were seriously shocked at being given a man as amoral as the Hero of Our Time for a model. Others delicately hinted that the author had drawn portraits of himself and his acquaintances . . . What an old, weak joke!’
All this is to say that people have been taking characters as autobiographical against the wishes of their creators for a very, very long time.
Imogen
I don’t quite understand how this is addressing my concerns. Joyce is her own character, too.
Because Becky has learned how to be charismatic and funny enough about being a prick that people have trouble believing it might actually be hurting people.
Of course she also might have picked her target so that it isn’t really doing much harm.
It seems plain to me that her jealous spite directly and immediately cause him intense mental anguish.
Agemegos
And unlike Joyce’s insult to Becky, which we are so exercised about right now, it was intentional.
King Daniel
As intentional as Joyce’ initially hurting Becky. It’s taking that strip in a vacuum and ignoring the context of her joking in the previous strip, told Ethan to his face that he had her respect for sticking around a couple strips later, and was visibly distraught (blaming herself for breaking them up) just a few strips after that when Joyce told her that she and Ethan were not dating anymore. In her words, she was explicitly doing a romcom thing to try and get Ethan to be more serious about his relationship with Joyce, not actually trying to break them up.
Agemegos
I’ll just as cheerfully cite the previous strip as my evidence, if you like. A cruelty that is passed off as a joke is no less of a cruelty.
King Daniel
I cited the previous strip myself,and following strips. Becky wasn’t trying to break them up, she was trying to get Ethan into Joyce’s pants. She was upset with herself just a few strips later when Joyce told her she wasn’t dating Ethan anymore, and Becky thought it was her own fault for pushing on Ethan.
King Daniel
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/noodle/ Becky:“So your boyfriend didn’t wanna come with, or what?” Joyce:“N-no…I’m not really sure we’re boyfriend and girlfriend after today anyway…” Becky:“What? You’re broke up now? He didn’t do it ‘cuzza me, did he? […] Aw jeez, I was tryin’ to nudge him inta noodlin’ yer caboodle, not scare him off!“ Becky (next strip):“Joyce, I’m really sorry about Ethan. I shoulda kept my dumb mouth shut. […] Why won’t you get angry at me? Joyce, I got your boyfriend to dump you. You–you should be f-fucking pissed.“
Agemegos
Recklessness is not an excuse.
King Daniel
Then it shouldn’t be an excuse for Joyce either.
Agemegos
No. But Joyce wasn’t reckless. At worst, negligent. She did not willingly nor even knowingly say what she said to Becky.
There is a difference between Becky’s playfully antagonizing Dorothy and Joyce’s maliciously attacking everyone who is religious in order to make herself seem superior. The only reason Joyce is bringing it up is to justify how shitty she treated Becky and her (Joyce’s) extreme narcissistic behavior.
This happened in an officially released Marvel comic from 2003 and it remains one of the most nightmarish things I’ve ever witnessed in the entire medium of sequential art.
Thag Simmons
what
OBBWG
Details please.
Spencer
Oh sure, it was an issue of Avengers where the Wasp is thrashing around in bed, climaxes, and then she pulls her sheet up as a shrunken Ant-Man walks from the shadows and between her cleavage.
He then says “all right, Jan; your turn.”
Clif
Dorothy used Becky as a dildo in an official Marvel comic from 2003?
Not to unduly question your veracity, but to be completely honest, I’m having a bit of difficulty believing that. Was this a response to a different conversation or a joke perhaps?
Clif
And lo, as soon as I hit return, an entire conversation appeared.
Note to self, when coming back to a page hit refresh before responding.
I think Joyce needs to hear that her anger, although justified, is causing harm, but Dorothy is not the right one to tell her.
Personally, I think she needs to hear it from Jocelyne or Sarah, but Joyce won’t answer Jocelyne’s calls until someone else gets through to her, and Sarah blew a chance the day before. What Joyce really needs to see is that she’s being a hypocrite by lashing out at Becky, when everyone was so gentle with her misconceptions last semester. That’s what’s really grinding their gears, is seeing Joyce refuse to treat Becky with the same grace that Dorothy treated her with previously.
Meh. I think there is a bit of hypocrisy here but it’s that suddenly everyone is calling out Joyce for her attitude change because it’s something they don’t like and aren’t used to but other characters such as Becky have been annoying and that’s just fine because they always are. Joyce’s new expression of atheism is incredibly obnoxious and maybe a little toxic but so is Sarah’s misanthropy or Becky’s continuous jabs at Dorothy some of the latest have even been straight up mean instead of jokingly performative. Joyce will probably feel embarrassed by this as she matures but everyone telling her to tone it down or ease into it are just being assholes.
MrSmith
Yes
Lumino
I’m going to disagree.
Like, I absolutely find Becky annoying as Hell, no argument. But it’s very clear that Dorothy doesn’t. She considers Becky a friend and understands that Becky’s ‘hostility’ is just a coping mechanism and she doesn’t mean anything malicious by it.
What irritates me about Joyce is how when her parents first met Dorothy, she was willing to put supporting her friends above her choice in faith. And now, she puts her choice in faith above supporting her friends (Becky). That’s what people are calling her out on, that her new decision is making her malicious and cruel.
Does it feel like everybody is ganging up on Joyce? Absolutely. But they are 100% right to call her out on her behavior.
John Smith
It’s not faith. That’s the point.
Joe Angel
“no faith” is a choice in faith, John.
Agemegos
It isn’t a choice, either.
AGV
It’s exactly faith because Joyce doesn’t know crap about how the world works scientifically and yet she doesn’t just jump into it, she’s sledgehammering everyone around her to make a point (mostly to herself)
“Facts and logic” stop being a valid argument the moment that one uses that to justify being an arse
John Smith
Facts and logic are always valid, but there’s a time and a place. I do agree that Joyce doesn’t know enough to be as confident as she’s being right now.
Atheism still isn’t faith though.
Rowan
Faith is a strong belief, confidence or trust in something. Agnostic atheism “I can’t prove it but there probably isn’t a god” isnt faith. Strong atheism “There is definitely no god” is arguably a form of faith. It is *not* a religion, but it is a faith if its as strong as Joyce is coming off here
Agemegos
Joyce doesn’t actually know most of the pertinent facts and hasn’t actually checked the logic.
khn0
It doesn’t really matter, it isn’t faith, or everytime you’re sure of something without checking is faith.
News of Paradise, a novel by another David (Lodge) tackles the gradual loss of faith of a clergyman, with some detailed vulgarization about academic works on faith, while one of his other novels, Therapy, has an heavy subtext about Kierkegaard’s notion of faith.
John Smith
@Rowan strong Atheism is a strong certainty that there is no god, in the same way I have strong certainty that there are no teapots orbiting Jupiter and no dragons hiding in Carl Sagan’s garage. There is no evidence for them, so I dismiss the idea. I don’t have faith in any of these things – if you presented some kind of meaningful evidence for any of them I’d adjust my position.
Jamie
Your new avatar is perfect for you.
John Smith
What can I say, when it showed up on grav roulette I leaned in.
439 thoughts on “Easing back”
Ana Chronistic
Joyce’s technically correct answer for the test question: “Use ‘dildo’ in a sentence”
lsdf
And if a more complex sentence is required, there’s always “Your mom is a dildo.”
Rayndel
I had a teacher who said if we could substitute ‘kumquat’ in the sentence then it wasn’t a good enough sentence.
Most of the time my sentences were “[Word] means [definition].”
Paul
Teacher: Use ‘orange’ in a sentence.
Pupil: An orange is a brightly coloured edible citrus fruit with a juicy centre.
Teacher: *substitutes ‘kumquat’ in sentence* “FAIL!”
Ana Chronistic
Joyce: “Bilbo Baggins, more like DILDO Baggins!”
Teacher: … ?
Agemegos
Have you read Bored of the Rings, by the Harvard Lampoon?
Vulcanodon
The best kind of correct!
kater
Joyce, no.
Dildos make people happy.
The Wellerman
You bet they do!
In fact, stay tuned for a dildo-y work coming to an Amber strip near you!
Just_IDD
Amber is stripping? that would get my vote, although probably it wouldn’t work for president.
Mr D
Unless they’re used on the non consenting
Delicious Taffy
Now, why did you need to take it that direction?
Agemegos
So do dicks, cocksuckers, and things that even I dare not mention here.
Pablo360
To be honest, calling someone a dildo can work as an insult. It’s like calling them a dick, but you’re also saying they’re fake.
pope suburban
Yes! This is exactly why I love it as an insult.
Sirksome
That’s actually a good point by Joyce. Becky is a dildo to Dorothy and kind of just gets a free pass for it.
AntJ
And that was an obvious dodge by Dorothy, so it’s been on her mind too
Wraithy2773
Might be an obvious dodge. I’d wager it’s more of a “it’s the last panel, we don’t have time to address this very valid point, besides we need a joke here”.
This sort of thing happens a lot (like, see yesterday, where the last panel was a joke about samesie fists instead of jumping into the obvious subject for this scene).
drs
“Becky’s an orphan. Are you?”
“…not yet.”
DarkoNeko
“Joyce, there is no way you can afford a hitman with your lunch money”
Reltzik
“Are you sure? What with the pandemic, hitmen have had a lot of competition. That’s got to have driven prices down.”
Deanatay
“I’ve heard Dina works for Froot Loops.”
Imogen
I hope this isn’t what Willis is going for. There’s no “valid” trauma that justifies being a butt, and comparing sources of grief kind of sucks. I know Willis is trying to do a “Joyce checks her privilege as a white Christian-atheist” arc, but this isn’t it.
adam Black
That isnt whats happening. Joyce is auto biographical.
and in this scene Dorothy is probably too
Needfuldoer
Sometimes you look back on yourself and think “dude, uncool.” Hopefully, that’s what Dorothy represents here.
Spencer
Okay so I kinda want to talk about this, I’m not entirely sure how to phrase it correctly because I think asking sounds accusatory, but really I want to know for the topic itself.
Is it not weird to talk about an actual person’s complex relationship with a personal topic in relation to the fiction they create, especially when it involves speculating on them as a person?
I know the FAQ starts with “Joyce is autobiographical” where Willis shares info on their fundamentalist upbringing, but I think from there my objection is that talking about Joyce being autobiographical is something they’ve shared with us and how it informs their writing of Joyce as a character and through a deeply authentic lens. I feel that “this is Willis looking back on themself when they deconverted and going yikes” is kinda like invoking the author themself in the fiction they write? Like we’re not talking about their work of fiction anymore or the influences their life has had, we’re speculating on them as a person and how they themself feel about a complex and personal topic.
Adding to the above, “looking back on yourself and thinking ‘dude, uncool'” can absolutely be the intent. I know how I’ve been processing this storyline, but I’d feel weird if my read of the story was influenced by trying to treat a real person as part of the speculation.
I reiterate that this isn’t meant to be accusatory or judgmental, though I think I screwed that up with my last line, or that we’re going all Parasocial Relationship like how finding out John Mulaney divorced his wife became grounds for water cooler talk. It’s something I can really only understand in that if it happened to me it would upset me, that sharing myself led to me becoming part of my audience’s fiction, and I suppose I want to know if it’s an appropriate avenue of conversation since I see it crop up with artists every once in a while.
Needfuldoer
It’s probably reading a little too much into it, but on the other hand I cringe at younger me all the time so there’s probably some projection there.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
adam Black
I dont think its that weird.
Willis has affirmed over and Over that everything related to Joyce and her relationship to a fundie upbringing is autoBio.
Everystrip he does had a main author avatar.
As for him looking back at himself and Yikesing ,
Just read his own comments on his republished Roomies scripts.
No Para social relationship necessary, just Paint By numbers media literacy and criticism. That the author turned Atheist & eventually soured on douchy public New Ashiests is historic. Their twitter is literally on every page. You dont have to read every Tumblr to know it.
“Like we’re not talking about their work of fiction anymore or the influences their life has had, we’re speculating on them as a person and how they themself feel about a complex and personal topic.”
This IS the Literal definition of “Autobiographical” so , Yeah. Thats how autobiography works. It shouldnt even be controversial at this point as Joyce has started drawing her in comic version of Roomies.
At some Point Ethan, Amber , Joe and Walky will induct Joyce into their Transformers Cult and the story will end with Joyce drawing dinobot comics forever.
Doki
As a creator myself, if I had a character who was meant to be largely autobiographical (or at least a huge aspect of them was like Joyce’s upbringing) and I had indicated publicly that was the case, then no, I don’t think it would be weird at all for my audience to consider that while reading and analyzing it. In fact, I’d probably want that to a degree!
What would be weird, to me, would be if the audience inferred something was autobiographical when I had never indicated it was. Which does happen to some creators. :C
Sev
I’m late catching up on DoA, but this comment reminded me of the preface to A Hero of Our Time (Russian novel from 1840) in which the author, Lermontov, responded to criticisms of the morality of the hero: ‘This book recently had the misfortune of being taken literally by some readers and even some reviewers. Some were seriously shocked at being given a man as amoral as the Hero of Our Time for a model. Others delicately hinted that the author had drawn portraits of himself and his acquaintances . . . What an old, weak joke!’
All this is to say that people have been taking characters as autobiographical against the wishes of their creators for a very, very long time.
Imogen
I don’t quite understand how this is addressing my concerns. Joyce is her own character, too.
not someone else
Because Becky has learned how to be charismatic and funny enough about being a prick that people have trouble believing it might actually be hurting people.
Of course she also might have picked her target so that it isn’t really doing much harm.
Agemegos
It harmed Ethan.
Theozilla
How did Becky harm Ethan?
Agemegos
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/grandchildren/
King Daniel
How do you read that strip and come away with “Becky harmed Ethan”? Honestly asking.
Opus the Poet
There are many kinds of harm.
Agemegos
It seems plain to me that her jealous spite directly and immediately cause him intense mental anguish.
Agemegos
And unlike Joyce’s insult to Becky, which we are so exercised about right now, it was intentional.
King Daniel
As intentional as Joyce’ initially hurting Becky. It’s taking that strip in a vacuum and ignoring the context of her joking in the previous strip, told Ethan to his face that he had her respect for sticking around a couple strips later, and was visibly distraught (blaming herself for breaking them up) just a few strips after that when Joyce told her that she and Ethan were not dating anymore. In her words, she was explicitly doing a romcom thing to try and get Ethan to be more serious about his relationship with Joyce, not actually trying to break them up.
Agemegos
I’ll just as cheerfully cite the previous strip as my evidence, if you like. A cruelty that is passed off as a joke is no less of a cruelty.
King Daniel
I cited the previous strip myself, and following strips. Becky wasn’t trying to break them up, she was trying to get Ethan into Joyce’s pants. She was upset with herself just a few strips later when Joyce told her she wasn’t dating Ethan anymore, and Becky thought it was her own fault for pushing on Ethan.
King Daniel
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/noodle/
Becky: “So your boyfriend didn’t wanna come with, or what?”
Joyce: “N-no…I’m not really sure we’re boyfriend and girlfriend after today anyway…”
Becky: “What? You’re broke up now? He didn’t do it ‘cuzza me, did he? […] Aw jeez, I was tryin’ to nudge him inta noodlin’ yer caboodle, not scare him off!“
Becky (next strip): “Joyce, I’m really sorry about Ethan. I shoulda kept my dumb mouth shut. […] Why won’t you get angry at me? Joyce, I got your boyfriend to dump you. You–you should be f-fucking pissed.“
Agemegos
Recklessness is not an excuse.
King Daniel
Then it shouldn’t be an excuse for Joyce either.
Agemegos
No. But Joyce wasn’t reckless. At worst, negligent. She did not willingly nor even knowingly say what she said to Becky.
MisterJinKC
There is a difference between Becky’s playfully antagonizing Dorothy and Joyce’s maliciously attacking everyone who is religious in order to make herself seem superior. The only reason Joyce is bringing it up is to justify how shitty she treated Becky and her (Joyce’s) extreme narcissistic behavior.
torrent29
No there isn’t actually. It would get tiresome after a while, and then considering the time skip, down right mean spirited and awful.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Whoa. WHOA! Did I miss a slipshine when Dorothy finally topped Becky and started using her as a dildo?
Failing that is this something Yotomoe can help us out with? (please)
a/snow/mous/e
surely she’d have to shrink Becky to do that…?
a/snow/mous/e
…not that I wouldn’t want to see that x3
Spencer
This happened in an officially released Marvel comic from 2003 and it remains one of the most nightmarish things I’ve ever witnessed in the entire medium of sequential art.
Thag Simmons
what
OBBWG
Details please.
Spencer
Oh sure, it was an issue of Avengers where the Wasp is thrashing around in bed, climaxes, and then she pulls her sheet up as a shrunken Ant-Man walks from the shadows and between her cleavage.
He then says “all right, Jan; your turn.”
Clif
Dorothy used Becky as a dildo in an official Marvel comic from 2003?
Not to unduly question your veracity, but to be completely honest, I’m having a bit of difficulty believing that. Was this a response to a different conversation or a joke perhaps?
Clif
And lo, as soon as I hit return, an entire conversation appeared.
Note to self, when coming back to a page hit refresh before responding.
DarkoNeko
“yes”
drs
I am disappointed in Dorothy. Joyce needs a response, but this isn’t it.
AntJ
I think Joyce needs to hear that her anger, although justified, is causing harm, but Dorothy is not the right one to tell her.
Personally, I think she needs to hear it from Jocelyne or Sarah, but Joyce won’t answer Jocelyne’s calls until someone else gets through to her, and Sarah blew a chance the day before. What Joyce really needs to see is that she’s being a hypocrite by lashing out at Becky, when everyone was so gentle with her misconceptions last semester. That’s what’s really grinding their gears, is seeing Joyce refuse to treat Becky with the same grace that Dorothy treated her with previously.
Sirksome
Meh. I think there is a bit of hypocrisy here but it’s that suddenly everyone is calling out Joyce for her attitude change because it’s something they don’t like and aren’t used to but other characters such as Becky have been annoying and that’s just fine because they always are. Joyce’s new expression of atheism is incredibly obnoxious and maybe a little toxic but so is Sarah’s misanthropy or Becky’s continuous jabs at Dorothy some of the latest have even been straight up mean instead of jokingly performative. Joyce will probably feel embarrassed by this as she matures but everyone telling her to tone it down or ease into it are just being assholes.
MrSmith
Yes
Lumino
I’m going to disagree.
Like, I absolutely find Becky annoying as Hell, no argument. But it’s very clear that Dorothy doesn’t. She considers Becky a friend and understands that Becky’s ‘hostility’ is just a coping mechanism and she doesn’t mean anything malicious by it.
What irritates me about Joyce is how when her parents first met Dorothy, she was willing to put supporting her friends above her choice in faith. And now, she puts her choice in faith above supporting her friends (Becky). That’s what people are calling her out on, that her new decision is making her malicious and cruel.
Does it feel like everybody is ganging up on Joyce? Absolutely. But they are 100% right to call her out on her behavior.
John Smith
It’s not faith. That’s the point.
Joe Angel
“no faith” is a choice in faith, John.
Agemegos
It isn’t a choice, either.
AGV
It’s exactly faith because Joyce doesn’t know crap about how the world works scientifically and yet she doesn’t just jump into it, she’s sledgehammering everyone around her to make a point (mostly to herself)
“Facts and logic” stop being a valid argument the moment that one uses that to justify being an arse
John Smith
Facts and logic are always valid, but there’s a time and a place. I do agree that Joyce doesn’t know enough to be as confident as she’s being right now.
Atheism still isn’t faith though.
Rowan
Faith is a strong belief, confidence or trust in something. Agnostic atheism “I can’t prove it but there probably isn’t a god” isnt faith. Strong atheism “There is definitely no god” is arguably a form of faith. It is *not* a religion, but it is a faith if its as strong as Joyce is coming off here
Agemegos
Joyce doesn’t actually know most of the pertinent facts and hasn’t actually checked the logic.
khn0
It doesn’t really matter, it isn’t faith, or everytime you’re sure of something without checking is faith.
News of Paradise, a novel by another David (Lodge) tackles the gradual loss of faith of a clergyman, with some detailed vulgarization about academic works on faith, while one of his other novels, Therapy, has an heavy subtext about Kierkegaard’s notion of faith.
John Smith
@Rowan strong Atheism is a strong certainty that there is no god, in the same way I have strong certainty that there are no teapots orbiting Jupiter and no dragons hiding in Carl Sagan’s garage. There is no evidence for them, so I dismiss the idea. I don’t have faith in any of these things – if you presented some kind of meaningful evidence for any of them I’d adjust my position.
Jamie
Your new avatar is perfect for you.
John Smith
What can I say, when it showed up on grav roulette I leaned in.