Well… we actually can be too careful, but it’s a matter of situation and intent.
Kazuma Taichi
oh have they improved it in the last few years? last I heard it was more in the 96-97% range
actually for that matter, I should see if the sperm-pill has made any progress yet
thejeff
From what I can tell, it’s supposed to be 99% effective if taken properly. That drops a few percent for typical users, since most will miss (or take late) every once in a while.
That efficiency isn’t even as bad as it sounds, since it’s on a yearly basis, rather than per sexual encounter: 1 in a 100 women taking it correctly will get pregnant in a year.
Inahc
from what I remember, most to all of the remaining percent are the people who are flat-out immune to it, so if it’s been working for you it’s not supposed to stop working.
there are also detailed instructions on how to handle missed/late pills and at what point you need to add condoms for a bit.
Inahc
it’s one of the others (depo shot or implant?) that I don’t trust so much; my sister was told she couldn’t get pregnant for at least 3 more months when she was coming off of it, and that’s how I got my first nephew.
She clearly has a face. Then again she has hair over half her face. So there’s a chance she actually only has HALF a face. So she may have less face than others. Face…less…naw I’m stretching.
That does make it seem more likely than in high school, since Joe wouldn’t have needed to add her to the Do List at the very stat of the strip if she’d already been done, so to speak.
helisa
Wow that was more than a year ago.
George the Archon
Good memory!
It does indeed.
huesatlight
I wish I could credit my memory. You can use multiple character tags to see when they’ve interacted on screen, which has been very little since the timeskip in 2020. https://www.dumbingofage.com/tag/joe+dorothy/
KiaStirling
ooo, I didn’t even notice Dorothy’s face in that last panel. Yeah that does indicate she maybe came to him for a sin session.
comic.phile
oh man, her facial expressions sure support that theory too
If Dorothy got with Joe, that means she took his virginity as she mentioned that she’s always ends up as the more experienced one in her relationships.
Not impossible, but feels unlikely considering their interactions in the past and how Joe has talked about her as someone being available after breaking up with Danny as it at least implies that he had no previous experience with her.
It’s also possible that Dorothy had a hookup with Joe during the timeskip, as someone else suggested, but I doubt it for a couple reasons:
1. It’s hard to picture her being so horny that she not only took a break from school work, not only craved human contact so much that masturbation wasn’t an option, but she ALSO chose to mess with Joe over messing with either of her exes, especially considering how little she cares for Joe in regards to his sexual activities and that she, Danny, and Walky were all single during the timeskip.
2. Danny might feel some type of way about it, at least before recent events, and Dorothy is sensitive to that type of thing even if she’s ok with a casual hookup with Joe.
Except we have evidence that #1 is false. She got so worked up while she and Walky were “on pause” that they had sex.
To be faie, she was overworked and overstressed and needed some kind of outlet, but thr point is it *has* happened before, and now that Walky isn’t available, she had to find a substitute that wouldn’t make a big deal out of it or fall in love (or her fall for him).
Enter Joe.
cbwroses
No, you’re missing my point that it’s hard to picture the COMBINATION of her taking a break, being so horny that she needed human contact, and would seek out JOE over seeking out the two guys she’d been with previously (you’re also ignoring the fact that she didn’t take a break to have sex, but instead took a break to eat and just ran into Walky, and that the person she had sex with WAS Walky, who she both loved and desired).
That’s why I put “also” in all caps, to emphasize that it’s the combination, not just being horny.
And if you’re suggesting that she hooked up with Joe in the week or so since she told Walky to ask out Lucy, I find that even more doubtful as she was only having horny thoughts for Walky specifically and not simply feeling horny in general.
Yes, having denied herself that feeling, she might then want to get rid of that unresolved lust by having a random fling, but that again would mean she chose Joe who she has little regard for when it comes to his sexual escapades.
A super horny Dorothy with no better options might go for Joe just to take the edge off.
A just generally horny Dorothy? I’d bet money she wouldn’t even think about it.
Decidedly Orthogonal
“Enter Joe”
Wait… Dorothy is into pegging now? Yotomoe, were you aware of this?
Librain
Nah, it’s supposed to be “Enter, Joe”, implying that he is the one doing the entering.
The unfortunate thing with people not personally seeing your character growth is they are still going to treat you as who you were before that as they didn’t get the patchnotes of your updates and can only act on what they know/knew.
Dorothy has known Joe for years. She hasn’t seen most of his recent character development, so throughout that time, she’s only seen Joe interact with girls as objects that provide sex. She’s got no reason to think he’s interested in anything else.
Decidedly Orthogonal
What she never considered is that Joe also saw himself as an object that provides sex.
thejeff
I guess, but pretty much irrelevant to a read on his intentions or to the threat he poses.
dorothy has a relationship with joe independent of joyce
King Daniel
In fact, Dorothy’s known Joe far longer than she’s known Joyce!
(She’s known Joyce for less than five months—she’s known Joe for nearly five years at the minimum)
shrub
How well does she really know Joe?
thejeff
Well enough to keep him at a distance and not trust his intentions.
Which means she’s missed him changing.
AlexanderHammil
You know, people keep talking about Joe changing, and maybe he has, but change isn’t something you declare ahead of time or really even when you’re in the midst of changing. The sorts of fundamental personality shifts that Joe is notionally going through are really only demonstrable in retrospect. In two years, yeah, you can look back and say this was the moment he’d gotten better, but in the moment? Backsliding is very, very common, particularly early in that process; remember that Joe went through a period of contrition when the Do List came out, and then went back to his “don’t care no feelings” personality within a month or two. Saying Dorothy has “missed” his character growth elides all of that and jumps way ahead in the process.
Which, you know, is fine if we’re dealing with comic book time; it’s been, what, years of plausible growth for the audience? but the trauma of those years-past events still linger for the characters, and it feels… weird… that so many people think Dorothy is doing something particularly uncharitable or possessive here. She is, if anything, way more friendly with Joe than he has earned.
Azhrei Vep
I think she knew him pretty well, honestly.
Past tense. Now … I don’t think anybody currently knows Joe very well. Especially not Joe.
Joyce adores Dorothy, but if Dorothy succeeds in scaring Joe away just when Joyce was getting into the joy of flirtation…I am pretty sure Joyce’s rage will be epic to behold
326 thoughts on “Faceless”
Ana Chronistic
The world population explosion
Is making you feel rather ill
The doctors have said
You can hop into bed
And put all your faith in the pill
True Survivor
Great poem. Not great medical advice from those doctors though (those things don’t have a fantastic efficacy rate given their purpose).
Paradox
Since when is 98-99% not a fantastic efficacy rate?
Sure, only a fool would rely on the pill alone, but its still very effective
Nathan
I disagree that relying only on the pill for pregnancy prevention is foolish.
Needfuldoer
You can’t be too careful.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Well… we actually can be too careful, but it’s a matter of situation and intent.
Kazuma Taichi
oh have they improved it in the last few years? last I heard it was more in the 96-97% range
actually for that matter, I should see if the sperm-pill has made any progress yet
thejeff
From what I can tell, it’s supposed to be 99% effective if taken properly. That drops a few percent for typical users, since most will miss (or take late) every once in a while.
That efficiency isn’t even as bad as it sounds, since it’s on a yearly basis, rather than per sexual encounter: 1 in a 100 women taking it correctly will get pregnant in a year.
Inahc
from what I remember, most to all of the remaining percent are the people who are flat-out immune to it, so if it’s been working for you it’s not supposed to stop working.
there are also detailed instructions on how to handle missed/late pills and at what point you need to add condoms for a bit.
Inahc
it’s one of the others (depo shot or implant?) that I don’t trust so much; my sister was told she couldn’t get pregnant for at least 3 more months when she was coming off of it, and that’s how I got my first nephew.
DarkoNeko
i-is that what you kids call it these days
Nono
Is faith a codeword for penis now, or
The Wellerman
I think it’s a play on how she doesn’t have faith because she’s an atheist ?
Bratty Roger
《eyeroll》There are ^other^ kinds of faith than those involving … religion! !
Delavan
Like faith… of the heart? *power chords ringing, Enterprise flies away*
Librain
If so, what exactly is Dorothy putting her penis in???
King Daniel
“Faceless conquests”
*Conquest shows up* “Someone called?”
Yotomoe
She clearly has a face. Then again she has hair over half her face. So there’s a chance she actually only has HALF a face. So she may have less face than others. Face…less…naw I’m stretching.
Needfuldoer
Face… off…
Smallmoon
Leave those poor peaches alone.
They’ve suffered enough.
jy3
Conquest: “Sorry I look like Hel.”
Ana Chronistic
maybe she has a(n evil?) twin, Two-Faced Conquest?
Maveric1984
Ok, so plot twist: Dorothy and Joe had a fling before she got with Danny
timemonkey
Probably not given how young they would have been.
comic.phile
They would have been in their mid teens most likely, so… Not exactly unheard of.
cain
That’s an interesting idea! It would be cool to see that explored. I just assumed Dorothy has seen Joe mistreat several of her other friends before.
BarerMender
Dorothy mentioned she had sex with three people, but we only know about two.
BarerMender
had had
True Survivor
I was just thinking that was seeming increasingly likely.
drs
Or a fling during the timeskip. Busy Dorothy got a bit horny and knew exactly who could provide relief..
huesatlight
I’m not convinced, but her reaction in this strip could support that. https://www.dumbingofage.com/notinterested/
Rabid Rabbit
That does make it seem more likely than in high school, since Joe wouldn’t have needed to add her to the Do List at the very stat of the strip if she’d already been done, so to speak.
helisa
Wow that was more than a year ago.
George the Archon
Good memory!
It does indeed.
huesatlight
I wish I could credit my memory. You can use multiple character tags to see when they’ve interacted on screen, which has been very little since the timeskip in 2020. https://www.dumbingofage.com/tag/joe+dorothy/
KiaStirling
ooo, I didn’t even notice Dorothy’s face in that last panel. Yeah that does indicate she maybe came to him for a sin session.
comic.phile
oh man, her facial expressions sure support that theory too
Maveric1984
I like this idea better than my high school idea
cbwroses
If Dorothy got with Joe, that means she took his virginity as she mentioned that she’s always ends up as the more experienced one in her relationships.
Not impossible, but feels unlikely considering their interactions in the past and how Joe has talked about her as someone being available after breaking up with Danny as it at least implies that he had no previous experience with her.
It’s also possible that Dorothy had a hookup with Joe during the timeskip, as someone else suggested, but I doubt it for a couple reasons:
1. It’s hard to picture her being so horny that she not only took a break from school work, not only craved human contact so much that masturbation wasn’t an option, but she ALSO chose to mess with Joe over messing with either of her exes, especially considering how little she cares for Joe in regards to his sexual activities and that she, Danny, and Walky were all single during the timeskip.
2. Danny might feel some type of way about it, at least before recent events, and Dorothy is sensitive to that type of thing even if she’s ok with a casual hookup with Joe.
Maveric1984
Except we have evidence that #1 is false. She got so worked up while she and Walky were “on pause” that they had sex.
To be faie, she was overworked and overstressed and needed some kind of outlet, but thr point is it *has* happened before, and now that Walky isn’t available, she had to find a substitute that wouldn’t make a big deal out of it or fall in love (or her fall for him).
Enter Joe.
cbwroses
No, you’re missing my point that it’s hard to picture the COMBINATION of her taking a break, being so horny that she needed human contact, and would seek out JOE over seeking out the two guys she’d been with previously (you’re also ignoring the fact that she didn’t take a break to have sex, but instead took a break to eat and just ran into Walky, and that the person she had sex with WAS Walky, who she both loved and desired).
That’s why I put “also” in all caps, to emphasize that it’s the combination, not just being horny.
And if you’re suggesting that she hooked up with Joe in the week or so since she told Walky to ask out Lucy, I find that even more doubtful as she was only having horny thoughts for Walky specifically and not simply feeling horny in general.
Yes, having denied herself that feeling, she might then want to get rid of that unresolved lust by having a random fling, but that again would mean she chose Joe who she has little regard for when it comes to his sexual escapades.
A super horny Dorothy with no better options might go for Joe just to take the edge off.
A just generally horny Dorothy? I’d bet money she wouldn’t even think about it.
Decidedly Orthogonal
“Enter Joe”
Wait… Dorothy is into pegging now? Yotomoe, were you aware of this?
Librain
Nah, it’s supposed to be “Enter, Joe”, implying that he is the one doing the entering.
Marvelman
Joe is trying to be a better person. It’s unfortunate Dorothy doesn’t see that, but I’m sure she has her reasons.
King Daniel
Today’s hovertext: “Dorothy’s known you for a while, Joe”
Sam
The unfortunate thing with people not personally seeing your character growth is they are still going to treat you as who you were before that as they didn’t get the patchnotes of your updates and can only act on what they know/knew.
BBCC
^ That.
DrunkenNordmann
And that’s if they even believe people can grow in the first place (see: Rachel).
anon
i mean even if they did start dating i doubt either of them would rush into sex
thejeff
Dorothy has known Joe for years. She hasn’t seen most of his recent character development, so throughout that time, she’s only seen Joe interact with girls as objects that provide sex. She’s got no reason to think he’s interested in anything else.
Decidedly Orthogonal
What she never considered is that Joe also saw himself as an object that provides sex.
thejeff
I guess, but pretty much irrelevant to a read on his intentions or to the threat he poses.
Needfuldoer
She hasn’t been around to see any of his growth.
I think that’s one reason the story brought Joe and Amber into each others’ orbits. Dorothy trusts her, and she can corroborate his intentions.
Yeet
I feel like Joyce can probably relate to him a little bit here
shrub
You’ve said your piece Dorothy and done your duty so now its time to back off and/or speak to Joyce about this later
Qube
ah, but see that would involve 1. not being In Charge and 2. treating Joyce like an adult
chuckroast
Can’t have any of that, now can we?
AlexanderHammil
dorothy has a relationship with joe independent of joyce
King Daniel
In fact, Dorothy’s known Joe far longer than she’s known Joyce!
(She’s known Joyce for less than five months—she’s known Joe for nearly five years at the minimum)
shrub
How well does she really know Joe?
thejeff
Well enough to keep him at a distance and not trust his intentions.
Which means she’s missed him changing.
AlexanderHammil
You know, people keep talking about Joe changing, and maybe he has, but change isn’t something you declare ahead of time or really even when you’re in the midst of changing. The sorts of fundamental personality shifts that Joe is notionally going through are really only demonstrable in retrospect. In two years, yeah, you can look back and say this was the moment he’d gotten better, but in the moment? Backsliding is very, very common, particularly early in that process; remember that Joe went through a period of contrition when the Do List came out, and then went back to his “don’t care no feelings” personality within a month or two. Saying Dorothy has “missed” his character growth elides all of that and jumps way ahead in the process.
Which, you know, is fine if we’re dealing with comic book time; it’s been, what, years of plausible growth for the audience? but the trauma of those years-past events still linger for the characters, and it feels… weird… that so many people think Dorothy is doing something particularly uncharitable or possessive here. She is, if anything, way more friendly with Joe than he has earned.
Azhrei Vep
I think she knew him pretty well, honestly.
Past tense. Now … I don’t think anybody currently knows Joe very well. Especially not Joe.
RacingTurtle
Joyce adores Dorothy, but if Dorothy succeeds in scaring Joe away just when Joyce was getting into the joy of flirtation…I am pretty sure Joyce’s rage will be epic to behold
GholaHalleck
100% waiting on Joyce to go apeshit on Dorothy and pull the “you’re acting just like my mother” pin.
ButWhyASpoon
Sick’er Joyce!
“Is this you smothering me again? You are not my Mother!”
This becomes the emotional catalyst for Joyce to drag Joe back to her room.
She is riding him. She guides one of his hands to grab her left tit.
“In the name of the Father…” and she guides his other hand to grab her right tit. “…the Son, and the,..and the…and The Holy Fuck!”
Joe: “Language!”
Lumino
Don’t make me get the hose!
Yotomoe
Science?
Kravis
CTHULHU?
Slartibeast Button, BIA
“Be Afraid. Be very afraid.”
Caro
i sense a flashback incoming that will make a bunch of people regret previously made comments (as usual)