I went back and looked at the Roomies strips. The truck in that comic was either drawn in silhouette or with just the cab showing, so we can’t actually rule out that it said FUCK on the side.
We used to see Guaranteed Overnight Delivery trucks pretty regularly, with their acronym in big bold letters. Apparently they’ve been out of business since the early 2000s though.
She would do anything for love, but she won’t do that.
Solenoid
fuck
Freezer
Oh, hey! I finally know what “that” is!
TachyonCode
I’m pretty sure the “that” is pegging, according to comments by the original artist…
MaximumZero
It’s 100% not. Read the lyrics to the song. “That” is a reference to earlier lyrics in the song, usually just before each chorus. “I’ll never forget how you feel right now,” “forgive myself if we don’t go all the way tonight,” “do it better than I do it with you,” and “stop dreaming of you every night of my life,” are what that is.
In his own weird pervy 90s way, Meat Loaf is saying that leaving his girl to find love isn’t an option.
Charlie Spencer
Also catch Meat’s explanation in the ‘Storytellers’ video.
Jim Steinman is a god.
Kryss LaBryn
“I know the territory, I’ve been around;
It’ll all turn to dust, it’ll all fall down,
Sooner or later you’ll be screwing around…”
I’m getting more of a feel of sadface of “I hurt you and never knew it and even if I had there’s nothing I could’ve done about it”
AutobotDen
Sal wants to do right by Marcie, and this revelation is not what she was expecting. She clearly feels bad that she didn’t realize that Marcie had a crush on her, and her brain is giving her shit about how it should’ve been obvious.
She’s also probably feeling guilty/selfish for being jealous of Malaya. If I recall part of this whole “get Marcie with Malaya” thing was because she felt like Malaya was stealing her best friend, and when she realized Marcie was into Malaya, she figured getting them together would mean Marcie would get that out of her system and then Sal’d get her best friend back.
But now she just realized that given the choice, Marcie would probably MUCH rather be spending all this time with Sal, but Sal can’t give her everything she really wants out of the relationship.
I keep seeing stuff in the comments talking about how it’s not gonna happen because Sal is canonically straight, to which I reply – this is shipping. What’s canon got to do with it?
Mordecai
Now that’s the spirit, sailor!
Nono
I know shipping is shipping, but if a character’s sexuality has been Very Firmly Established, then it feels a little ickier to do it, personally.
Like this isn’t a ‘character could find out they’re bi’ thing, but strip hovertext and some of Sal’s stuff implies to me that they’re very straight, and it’s not gonna deviate.
It’d be just as weird to me to ship Ethan with Amber.
Sporky
Those two scenarios aren’t equivalent at all. Shipping canonically gay characters in straight pairings is not even close to the same thing as shipping canonically straight characters in gay pairings.
I get what you’re saying, that ignoring the sexuality of someone seems icky either way, but they’re fictional characters. From a real-world sociological perspective, the former is bad, but the latter is good. Actually, most of the time it’s the only way LGBT fans will ever get to see LGBT relationships between their favorite characters, sadly.
Sporky
Ahhhh dammit I messed up the formatting
Nono
To be clear, I don’t explicitly have a problem with other people doing it – it’s their headcanon, after all, and I’ve got my own share. I’m just expressing my own reason of why I would very rarely do it myself.
BBCC
No, that’s fine. You can do your own fandom thing. I’m just explaining my own rationale on it.
BBCC
I wouldn’t do it with making a gay character anything but gay – gay characters are under represented as it is. Straight characters, on the other hand, are so common it’s not even a dime a dozen. 90%+ are straight. I have no problems saying ‘Eh, screw it, turns out they realized they’re bi/pan/multi/poly/whatever I feel like they’d call themselves’. Especially since people who thought they were very straight realize they’re not all the time.
foamy
I mean, I don’t think 90%+ are in *this* comic, but the point generally is taken.
Jason
A quick glance through the cast page (which obviously lacks a few minor characters) gives us nine confirmed or implied straight people out of 21. Which is just under half, which is honestly a higher rate than I expected for this comic!
But yeah, also recognise the point. It sometimes feels weird to me to see people make mods to make straight folk not straight in video games (depending on the game, the character and the availability of SS romance options) but it genuinely bothers me when it’s done for gay characters. One in particular where his experiences of being gay were a key part of his story (his unwillingness to pretend to be straight and procreate caused massive issues with his noble family) REALLY upset me when I saw a mod to allow female characters to romance him, because it’s disrespecting who he is on a fundamental level which is not only echoed in his own story, but also seen very commonly in the world.
(Rant/ramble over.)
Jon Rich
Which game is this?
Mandolin
Oh boy. Was that example from Dragon Age: Inquisition by any chance?
ischemgeek
Genuine question:
In the case where you ship a ship that doesn’t work for sexualities of those involved, does writing a gender end fix that makes it work make it less or more ick?
I am not sure honestly. I have a complicated relationship with gender bent fic.
BBCC
I personally wouldn’t write it, but for all I know, another author doing so is a trans person who sees a lot of themselves in said character and their relationship and it’s not my place to come down on that. It’s also really really not my place to interrogate people and find out if that’s the case. So when I see fics like that, I usually scroll past them.
BBCC
That is, when the ship is turning a gay character straight.
Gender bends in general? I dunno. I know a lot of people prefer to do trans head canons instead, and those are great, but I’m not sure whether or not that’s just another form of gender bending? Personally, as someone who gets pretty frustrated by huge franchises I love having major male characters outnumber major female characters 2 to 1 at the very least, looking at art or fic where some of those guys were girls was empowering for me when I was younger. I also know GNC guys who felt similarly about having very feminine girls gender bent into GNC guys so….yeah, it’s complicated.
Sporky
I don’t think they’re addressing it toward non-canon shippers like you (and me). Some people actually want their ships to become canon, and in this case those people are gonna be disappointed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BBCC
Fair enough.
Skater Girl
To be fair, she wouldn’t be the first straight girl to get into a same gender relationship
I’m hoping they can get get past this revelation like Joyce and (less so) Becky did. Sal might, initially, TRY, out of her love for Marcie, and Marcie will, most-likely, reject this idea because it’s a feckin’ insane, mummers fantasy. Hopefully Marcie’s honesty will end with them growing closer, instead of making things awkward, again, but, honestly, it could go either way; at this point.
At least it was not Trucksan else her mind will end up in another world.
We could then have a fantasy world manga/manhua.
We will follow the adventures of he mind in this new world of high fantasy.
What cheat power will she inherit to help here fight the Demon Lord in the coming apocalypse?
Becky has never, and Joyce has shared a few strips with Marcie but barely if ever talked with her.
MatthewTheLucky
Given Joyce does not sign, I’d say they’ve had 0 conversations.
Sunny
Marcie uses her phone to type when she wants to talk to people who don’t know ASL, so Joyce not knowing it is not an insurmountable obstacle. But as far as I recall they haven’t had a conversation.
227 thoughts on “Fair”
Doctor_Who
I went back and looked at the Roomies strips. The truck in that comic was either drawn in silhouette or with just the cab showing, so we can’t actually rule out that it said FUCK on the side.
King Daniel
No word on whether it was the same truck, but the same driver at least has a tag in here: http://www.dumbingofage.com/tag/definitely-that-same-truck-driver-dude-as-in-roomies/
Needfuldoer
The trucking company’s name just has an unfortunate acronym.
Freight United Couriers of Kokomo
Kind of like “Sure Wish I Finished Training” fits SWIFT, or “United Parcel Smashers” fits UPS.
Doctor_Who
Friend Unknowingly Craved Kiss.
Sambo
That is wonderfully fitting
Charles Kuhman
I was once a member of the Friday Underground Concerned Kentuckians, a group that advertised in our school play programs. No one ever picked up on it.
thejeff
We used to see Guaranteed Overnight Delivery trucks pretty regularly, with their acronym in big bold letters. Apparently they’ve been out of business since the early 2000s though.
truk2
Here’s a real one.
Flinders University’s Centre for Knowledge Interaction Technology.
Imagine how smug the the engineer that got that to pass felt.
truk2
http://www.flinders.edu.au/science_engineering/csem/research/centres/ckit.cfm
emeraldbeacon
http://i68.tinypic.com/ncw.jpg
Sunny
Is that Optimus Prime?
Ana Chronistic
“Ah… was yer first total clitblocking douchnozzle??”
*hit by FUCK the TRUCK*
…Salaya… ?
Lala
Sal I hope this is a flattered face despite the fuck truck.
Yumi
I don’t think Sal knows what kind of face it is.
Eve
I think it’s a sadface of “I would do anything to give her what she wants but this is beyond my ability”
Nono
She would do anything for love, but she won’t do that.
Solenoid
fuck
Freezer
Oh, hey! I finally know what “that” is!
TachyonCode
I’m pretty sure the “that” is pegging, according to comments by the original artist…
MaximumZero
It’s 100% not. Read the lyrics to the song. “That” is a reference to earlier lyrics in the song, usually just before each chorus. “I’ll never forget how you feel right now,” “forgive myself if we don’t go all the way tonight,” “do it better than I do it with you,” and “stop dreaming of you every night of my life,” are what that is.
In his own weird pervy 90s way, Meat Loaf is saying that leaving his girl to find love isn’t an option.
Charlie Spencer
Also catch Meat’s explanation in the ‘Storytellers’ video.
Jim Steinman is a god.
Kryss LaBryn
“I know the territory, I’ve been around;
It’ll all turn to dust, it’ll all fall down,
Sooner or later you’ll be screwing around…”
“No, I won’t do that…. No I won’t do that…”
Tan
I’m getting more of a feel of sadface of “I hurt you and never knew it and even if I had there’s nothing I could’ve done about it”
AutobotDen
Sal wants to do right by Marcie, and this revelation is not what she was expecting. She clearly feels bad that she didn’t realize that Marcie had a crush on her, and her brain is giving her shit about how it should’ve been obvious.
Clif
The last truck missed, but not this one.
autogatos
She’s also probably feeling guilty/selfish for being jealous of Malaya. If I recall part of this whole “get Marcie with Malaya” thing was because she felt like Malaya was stealing her best friend, and when she realized Marcie was into Malaya, she figured getting them together would mean Marcie would get that out of her system and then Sal’d get her best friend back.
But now she just realized that given the choice, Marcie would probably MUCH rather be spending all this time with Sal, but Sal can’t give her everything she really wants out of the relationship.
Yumi
Get together for real! Get together for real!
BBCC
If not, I will say this until the end of time – That’s what AO3 is for.
BBCC
God I love these two and all their clingy, sometimes messy and complicated, friendship glory.
I mean, yeah, I ship it too, but that’s a fanfic thing, not a right now thing so.
BRING ON THE COMPLICATIONS.
ian livs
SAME
Mordecai
Abandon ship?! Never!!
BBCC
I keep seeing stuff in the comments talking about how it’s not gonna happen because Sal is canonically straight, to which I reply – this is shipping. What’s canon got to do with it?
Mordecai
Now that’s the spirit, sailor!
Nono
I know shipping is shipping, but if a character’s sexuality has been Very Firmly Established, then it feels a little ickier to do it, personally.
Like this isn’t a ‘character could find out they’re bi’ thing, but strip hovertext and some of Sal’s stuff implies to me that they’re very straight, and it’s not gonna deviate.
It’d be just as weird to me to ship Ethan with Amber.
Sporky
Those two scenarios aren’t equivalent at all. Shipping canonically gay characters in straight pairings is not even close to the same thing as shipping canonically straight characters in gay pairings.
I get what you’re saying, that ignoring the sexuality of someone seems icky either way, but they’re fictional characters. From a real-world sociological perspective, the former is bad, but the latter is good. Actually, most of the time it’s the only way LGBT fans will ever get to see LGBT relationships between their favorite characters, sadly.
Sporky
Ahhhh dammit I messed up the formatting
Nono
To be clear, I don’t explicitly have a problem with other people doing it – it’s their headcanon, after all, and I’ve got my own share. I’m just expressing my own reason of why I would very rarely do it myself.
BBCC
No, that’s fine. You can do your own fandom thing. I’m just explaining my own rationale on it.
BBCC
I wouldn’t do it with making a gay character anything but gay – gay characters are under represented as it is. Straight characters, on the other hand, are so common it’s not even a dime a dozen. 90%+ are straight. I have no problems saying ‘Eh, screw it, turns out they realized they’re bi/pan/multi/poly/whatever I feel like they’d call themselves’. Especially since people who thought they were very straight realize they’re not all the time.
foamy
I mean, I don’t think 90%+ are in *this* comic, but the point generally is taken.
Jason
A quick glance through the cast page (which obviously lacks a few minor characters) gives us nine confirmed or implied straight people out of 21. Which is just under half, which is honestly a higher rate than I expected for this comic!
But yeah, also recognise the point. It sometimes feels weird to me to see people make mods to make straight folk not straight in video games (depending on the game, the character and the availability of SS romance options) but it genuinely bothers me when it’s done for gay characters. One in particular where his experiences of being gay were a key part of his story (his unwillingness to pretend to be straight and procreate caused massive issues with his noble family) REALLY upset me when I saw a mod to allow female characters to romance him, because it’s disrespecting who he is on a fundamental level which is not only echoed in his own story, but also seen very commonly in the world.
(Rant/ramble over.)
Jon Rich
Which game is this?
Mandolin
Oh boy. Was that example from Dragon Age: Inquisition by any chance?
ischemgeek
Genuine question:
In the case where you ship a ship that doesn’t work for sexualities of those involved, does writing a gender end fix that makes it work make it less or more ick?
I am not sure honestly. I have a complicated relationship with gender bent fic.
BBCC
I personally wouldn’t write it, but for all I know, another author doing so is a trans person who sees a lot of themselves in said character and their relationship and it’s not my place to come down on that. It’s also really really not my place to interrogate people and find out if that’s the case. So when I see fics like that, I usually scroll past them.
BBCC
That is, when the ship is turning a gay character straight.
Gender bends in general? I dunno. I know a lot of people prefer to do trans head canons instead, and those are great, but I’m not sure whether or not that’s just another form of gender bending? Personally, as someone who gets pretty frustrated by huge franchises I love having major male characters outnumber major female characters 2 to 1 at the very least, looking at art or fic where some of those guys were girls was empowering for me when I was younger. I also know GNC guys who felt similarly about having very feminine girls gender bent into GNC guys so….yeah, it’s complicated.
Sporky
I don’t think they’re addressing it toward non-canon shippers like you (and me). Some people actually want their ships to become canon, and in this case those people are gonna be disappointed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BBCC
Fair enough.
Skater Girl
To be fair, she wouldn’t be the first straight girl to get into a same gender relationship
Marsh Maryrose
“I’m a straight girl whose soulmate is a woman.”
I debated linking to the comic “Identity” where 15-year-old Erika says, “Girls are so pretty…Too bad I’m straight.”
He Who Abides
Reading your comment, my first thought is Emily from Misfile.
Icalasari
Well this might break Sal. She wants the best for Marcie, but she’s straight as a stick
Jaymie
some delightful bends but no real curves?
Abbefaria
something something wet pasta
MaddMaxc
Everyone’s straight until water is added to the pot
TerribleName
I think you mean pasta is straight until you get it wet
Yo
I’m hoping they can get get past this revelation like Joyce and (less so) Becky did. Sal might, initially, TRY, out of her love for Marcie, and Marcie will, most-likely, reject this idea because it’s a feckin’ insane, mummers fantasy. Hopefully Marcie’s honesty will end with them growing closer, instead of making things awkward, again, but, honestly, it could go either way; at this point.
Hazel
OH
jeffepp
Sal reviews her life the way we reread the archives. Oh, indeed.
Mr. Random
And here I thought Willis promised no trucks.
Kyoulkoa
Imaginary trucks though
Abbefaria
The fuck truck has no brakes!
anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
At least it was not Trucksan else her mind will end up in another world.
We could then have a fantasy world manga/manhua.
We will follow the adventures of he mind in this new world of high fantasy.
What cheat power will she inherit to help here fight the Demon Lord in the coming apocalypse?
Fart Captor
Act with horny
Many regrets
Ray Radlein
[applause gif]
ValdVin
Did our Lesbian Love Sleuths totally miss this?
butts
have they… met… malaya?
butts
i mean
marcie
whoops
ValdVin
Becky has never, and Joyce has shared a few strips with Marcie but barely if ever talked with her.
MatthewTheLucky
Given Joyce does not sign, I’d say they’ve had 0 conversations.
Sunny
Marcie uses her phone to type when she wants to talk to people who don’t know ASL, so Joyce not knowing it is not an insurmountable obstacle. But as far as I recall they haven’t had a conversation.
Khantalas
They never really met Marcie, only Sal and Malaya. It is fair that they missed Marcie’s crush on Sal.
((Then again, everyone except Walky and Mike has a crush on Sal.))
SUGauthor