Actually, I’m thinking about the whole “first to give their side wins” and people’s general reactions to Raidah. I should point out that we’ve only really got Sarah’s point of view, and we’re all assuming that it’s 100% true. complete, and accurate, which it probably is, but I kinda hope that someday Willis Rashomons the shit out of us.
Regalli
I think that given their comparative perspectives in this situation (ie, Sarah was LIVING WITH Dana, Raidah was just a friend,) Sarah’s is going to be more accurate just from greater experience. I mean, unless Raidah was out getting high with Dana until 3 in the morning, in which case her attitude towards Sarah is even less justified because HELLO ROOMMATES you KNOW this would be disruptive to someone trying to study and maintain a normal sleep schedule. Plus the potential drug bust and expulsion threat. Also, that is not an hour that suggests “perfectly healthy and casual recreational drug use”, just as a rule.
Particularly since we haven’t known Sarah to lie thus far, and even when she’s suspicious of other people she’s open about those suspicions.
AgentKeen
I’m starting to wonder if Raidah’s foil-ness to Sarah regarding their background (Raidah’s dad has a firm, I think vs. Sarah having tough scholarship guidelines) is going to come up in relation to this. Like, we don’t have anything to suggest that Raidah doesn’t study a fair bit, but her not being as pressured to could play into her being less aware of spending time getting high with Dana.
ninja_jesus
So basically it’s “Daddy owns a law firm” vs. “I’m really fucking serious about being a lawyer”.
Yossarian Duck
Also, Sarah’s side came with a visual flashback, and if CSI has taught me anything it’s that flashbacks are always 100% how it went down.
Rycan
You should always trust the hallucination.
Seamus MacLeod
Please keep in mind that they are ALL prelaw majors. One of the things drilled into you is to use the maximum amount of available evidence before making any decision. I see Jacob asking Sarah what happened before deciding; he’s one of the most rational people in the cast.
Basically this. Raidah said her version first, she has practically won unless Jacob is waaaaaay more willing to hear people out than the average person.
Gordon
I think, given that Jacob and Sarah have interactions that predate his involvement with Raidah, Jacob will be more willing to listen than the average person.
If anything, he’s probably going to be more curious as to what is going on with Sarah.
Do we know that for sure? Jacob first met Sarah last Sunday. It’s currently Saturday. Jacob is on his second date with Raidah. It’s entirely possible that Jacob has known Raidah for longer. (Second, it never really seemed to me that Jacob ever seemed romantically interested in Sarah. Considering that he said he would give up trying to be friends with Sarah on Friday, it’s almost a given he was already dating Raidah at that time).
I disagree with the whole “first to give their side wins” thing. They ARE in law classes; they’re going to have present evidence and judge this fairly if they want to prove it.
It’s not too late Jacob! You still have time to transfer to a college where your friends won’t undergo existential crises every 3-4 days!
Yossarian Duck
Is Becky’s school co-ed? He could transfer and inspire even more much-needed sexual self-discovery with his beauty.
Storycat
Really? I thought that was just par for the course in college. If people weren’t having existential crises at first, they did after they had to take intro to philosophy.
Didnt She punch Raidah for grabbing Dina by the arm to prevent Sarah from pulling Dina along with her as she stormed out of the Mall?
Rich
No. They were fighting over whether Joyce would stay or go.
fogel
Oopsie. Im doubly handicapped here: otoh, my memory of past episodes often fails me, otoh, i am ultra-clumsy using the archive/tag system.
Rich
To be fair, I re-read all the Raidah strips a few days ago. She’s got few enough appearances that it’s viable to do so, unlike most characters.
I had honestly forgotten how bad her treatment of Dina was.
fogel
Ive been fighting the urge lately to reread the Archive. Rade vetro!
Björn
Was it really? I just re-read it too. To me Raidah sounded genuinely concerned about Dina, since she belives Sarah to be a bad influence on her, and since she actually thought (albeit a bit jumping-to-conclusiony) Dina was mentally handicapped.
The OTHERS were treating Dina as shit, but Raidah wasn’t. She defended Dina, twice.
Chrissy
It is generally considered very rude to kneel down to the same height as someone to speak to them, whether or not they have any type of handicap. It conveys condescension, as did her tone when talking to Dina. And it is NEVER ok to speak condescendingly or in an infantilizing tone to someone who has a handicap.
Chrissy
I should also say, I’m 100% sure that Raidah knew Dina is capable of understanding regular spoken English: Dina exhibited advanced knowledge of dinosaurs in a mostly contextually appropriate fashion. Raidah spoke to Dina that way because she could tell she was socially different.
ThatGuy
Just want to say “genuine concern” for someone is never a way to excuse something.
I mean Joyce’s parents were generally concerened for joyce when she told them she was friends with an AETHIEST!
Just like I’m sure Raidah is generally ernest in her trying to protect people from Sarah and her asshole status all comes from the fact that she refuses to believe Sarah is anything but a villain despite the fact that despite everything Sarah was the ONLY one to do what a friend should have done.
(of course I still have the Raidah avatar. Ironic irony is ironic)
Tan
Reading through the code, looks like Sarah’s firmly in class B misdemeanor territory. Another site tells me that in Indiana that means up to 180 days in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.
It is worth noting, however, that possession of marijuana for personal use is a class A misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. And second offenses+ rise to class D felony, up to three years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.
Id call it “punched”. Seriously. Is everyone here pre-law? Not that theres anything wrong with that …. 🙂
Rich
The point is that Raidah is pre-law, and she’s wrong about a very simple and clearly defined offense. Makes her sound dumb – and frankly, Jacob comes across as none too smart either, since “punched” is battery.
fogel
Yeah, i was joking, THOUGH i hadnt considered which legal term meant what, either, and somehow i never picked that up on Law and Order.
But would a brand new 2nd year pre-law student — Raidah — have necessarily had a class that covered that? And i doubt that we can expect Jacob to be in any classes which would have covered that in the first month (or, whatever) of his first term at college. Pre-law isnot a degree-major. And Id think being pre-law is like being pre-med: ive known pre-meds who hadnt encountered a lot of very basic stuff about Med in their college classes. Unlikd Australia where you can earn a law degree or medical degree in college.
Buttlerman
Well I learned that in highschool Civics and Economics (None honors)
so I think she would now such a simple term.
fogel
Im not sure that i retain anything from Civics, but i took it much longer ago than Raidah, so perhaps she should know the distiction.
jpic89
Are you kidding? We’ve progressed like 2 months in about 4 years. At that pace, Raidah took Civics at least 35 years ago, if not more, lol.
fogel
Dang! I get so confused trying to convert from InDumbyverseTime (IDT) to InRealLifeTime (IRLT) … Its worse that Farenheit/Centigrade! Once I thought that everything IDT had happened in the last 5 minutes IRLT.
No, some of us have been in jail or sued or a number of other things that get you in contact with the criminal injustice system. Assault is words and actions that do not result in contact, contact makes it battery.
Jen Aside
Man, then what the hell is the Assault class in XCOM? The “ooga booga run up and scare the aliens but no touchy” class?
[think she’s just using the “common” usage, like how “literally” means “not literally” and makes my head a splode]
[[alternately, she is doing for SHIT in her classes, unlike Sarah]]
Jen Aside
Cancel that, she knows it’s battery… it’s just weird saying “she batteried me in a store”
fogel
Would battery be cognate with battered: she battered me?
Rich
Battered is correct. I’ve had occasion to sign complaints that used that term.
fogel
Cool! But not to be confused with battered as in battered and deep fried. Though i spose that would count as legal battery?
As would spitchcocking someone in the literal sense of cut into small pieces and fry. Whereas the figurative sense of spitchcocking — treat severly — would count as assault if it was a verbal spitchcocking?
fogel
Unless its battery with a sock full of batteries…
JustCheetoDust
it’s just weird saying “she batteried me in a store”
It’s only weird outside of Philadelphia and Cleveland.
N0083rP00F
Like Battered and Deep frahd budder?
fogel
Ah! I hadnt considered that angle, though plenty of DoAs cast have been involved in it.
2) the difference between the Legal System and the Justice System, eh?
3) Im so used to hearing the terms “assault and battery” together as if thats a single term and without coming across or looking up their meaning….
308 thoughts on “Feigned”
Jen Aside
“Oh come on, two WEEKS? That’s practically two YEARS! Water under the bridge!”
Doc
And come on, it’s probably been like what, 30 years since Sarah got Dana taken away?
The Heir of Rage
Of the bullies, Radiah is my favorite. (Not saying too much)
Courtney
More interesting is that in rereading the archives, it appears she forgave Sarah for hitting her…. so why is she so up in arms about it here?
Leorale
You can forgive somebody while still learning that maybe you really shouldn’t hang out with them.
TPman
Because she needed to justify her outrage and present herself as the reasonable one.
LiaHansen
this is not going to go how sarah thinks its going to go
saltchocolate
Yeah, first to give their side wins, more or less. Raidah: 100. Sarah: 0.
Lawzlo
Actually, I’m thinking about the whole “first to give their side wins” and people’s general reactions to Raidah. I should point out that we’ve only really got Sarah’s point of view, and we’re all assuming that it’s 100% true. complete, and accurate, which it probably is, but I kinda hope that someday Willis Rashomons the shit out of us.
Regalli
I think that given their comparative perspectives in this situation (ie, Sarah was LIVING WITH Dana, Raidah was just a friend,) Sarah’s is going to be more accurate just from greater experience. I mean, unless Raidah was out getting high with Dana until 3 in the morning, in which case her attitude towards Sarah is even less justified because HELLO ROOMMATES you KNOW this would be disruptive to someone trying to study and maintain a normal sleep schedule. Plus the potential drug bust and expulsion threat. Also, that is not an hour that suggests “perfectly healthy and casual recreational drug use”, just as a rule.
Particularly since we haven’t known Sarah to lie thus far, and even when she’s suspicious of other people she’s open about those suspicions.
AgentKeen
I’m starting to wonder if Raidah’s foil-ness to Sarah regarding their background (Raidah’s dad has a firm, I think vs. Sarah having tough scholarship guidelines) is going to come up in relation to this. Like, we don’t have anything to suggest that Raidah doesn’t study a fair bit, but her not being as pressured to could play into her being less aware of spending time getting high with Dana.
ninja_jesus
So basically it’s “Daddy owns a law firm” vs. “I’m really fucking serious about being a lawyer”.
Yossarian Duck
Also, Sarah’s side came with a visual flashback, and if CSI has taught me anything it’s that flashbacks are always 100% how it went down.
Rycan
You should always trust the hallucination.
Seamus MacLeod
Please keep in mind that they are ALL prelaw majors. One of the things drilled into you is to use the maximum amount of available evidence before making any decision. I see Jacob asking Sarah what happened before deciding; he’s one of the most rational people in the cast.
Harland
+1 for using “Rashomon” as a verb.
+1 for using “the shit” as its object.
My hat is off to you.
TrueVCU
I award you 10 points for Rashomon reference
Drake
Basically this. Raidah said her version first, she has practically won unless Jacob is waaaaaay more willing to hear people out than the average person.
Gordon
I think, given that Jacob and Sarah have interactions that predate his involvement with Raidah, Jacob will be more willing to listen than the average person.
If anything, he’s probably going to be more curious as to what is going on with Sarah.
Leadsynth
Yeah…Jacob liked Sarah before he liked Raidah.
Lord Stoneheart
Do we know that for sure? Jacob first met Sarah last Sunday. It’s currently Saturday. Jacob is on his second date with Raidah. It’s entirely possible that Jacob has known Raidah for longer. (Second, it never really seemed to me that Jacob ever seemed romantically interested in Sarah. Considering that he said he would give up trying to be friends with Sarah on Friday, it’s almost a given he was already dating Raidah at that time).
ninja_jesus
I disagree with the whole “first to give their side wins” thing. They ARE in law classes; they’re going to have present evidence and judge this fairly if they want to prove it.
JustCheetoDust
Raidah: 100. Sarah: 0
The kind of “insurmountable” odds typically reserved for Bugs Bunny.
ThatGuy
“Why did you punch her in the face”
“They’ve been bullying, harrassing me, and gaslighting me for a year”
“why did you bully her”
“We want her to kill herself.”
Seems like an easy win for Sarah unless Jacob is stupid or crazy stuff happens.
hikaru
it SHOULD be, but lets be real. sarahs not gonna let it be that easy for herself.
otusasio451
NO, JACOB!!! RESIST THE DARK SIDE!!! Or, rather, the side that doesn’t have Sarah on it, to be more accurate.
Someone
at this point I think the best thing for Jacob to do is run, run and never return
Tribbly
It’s not too late Jacob! You still have time to transfer to a college where your friends won’t undergo existential crises every 3-4 days!
Yossarian Duck
Is Becky’s school co-ed? He could transfer and inspire even more much-needed sexual self-discovery with his beauty.
Storycat
Really? I thought that was just par for the course in college. If people weren’t having existential crises at first, they did after they had to take intro to philosophy.
Twilightomens
Raidah is not a main character!!!
Rycan
Only Sarah can make you a main character!
Kris
Assaulted!?
timemonkey
She punched Raidah in the face for talking to Joyce.
Kris
I know I was trying to do the whole sarcasm thing. I don’t know how to convey that in type. Maybe quotes? Take two: “Assaulted”?! ……eh.
fogel
Didnt She punch Raidah for grabbing Dina by the arm to prevent Sarah from pulling Dina along with her as she stormed out of the Mall?
Rich
No. They were fighting over whether Joyce would stay or go.
fogel
Oopsie. Im doubly handicapped here: otoh, my memory of past episodes often fails me, otoh, i am ultra-clumsy using the archive/tag system.
Rich
To be fair, I re-read all the Raidah strips a few days ago. She’s got few enough appearances that it’s viable to do so, unlike most characters.
I had honestly forgotten how bad her treatment of Dina was.
fogel
Ive been fighting the urge lately to reread the Archive. Rade vetro!
Björn
Was it really? I just re-read it too. To me Raidah sounded genuinely concerned about Dina, since she belives Sarah to be a bad influence on her, and since she actually thought (albeit a bit jumping-to-conclusiony) Dina was mentally handicapped.
The OTHERS were treating Dina as shit, but Raidah wasn’t. She defended Dina, twice.
Chrissy
It is generally considered very rude to kneel down to the same height as someone to speak to them, whether or not they have any type of handicap. It conveys condescension, as did her tone when talking to Dina. And it is NEVER ok to speak condescendingly or in an infantilizing tone to someone who has a handicap.
Chrissy
I should also say, I’m 100% sure that Raidah knew Dina is capable of understanding regular spoken English: Dina exhibited advanced knowledge of dinosaurs in a mostly contextually appropriate fashion. Raidah spoke to Dina that way because she could tell she was socially different.
ThatGuy
Just want to say “genuine concern” for someone is never a way to excuse something.
I mean Joyce’s parents were generally concerened for joyce when she told them she was friends with an AETHIEST!
Just like I’m sure Raidah is generally ernest in her trying to protect people from Sarah and her asshole status all comes from the fact that she refuses to believe Sarah is anything but a villain despite the fact that despite everything Sarah was the ONLY one to do what a friend should have done.
Catullus
Well, Sarah punched Raidah. What else would you call it?
John
Battery?
Kris
A high five!….To the face….with her fist….can’t spin this.
Plasma Mongoose
So not mains then…
Weyland
I would call it battery.
Rich
So would any competent law student. How are your grades, Raidah?
Paradoxius
“high”
merbrat
What you did there. I see it.
masterofbones
Some states do not have “battery”, so assault would actually be accurate. Im not sure if this is true for their state.
Tan
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/incode/35/42/2/35-42-2-1
Tan
(of course I still have the Raidah avatar. Ironic irony is ironic)
Tan
Reading through the code, looks like Sarah’s firmly in class B misdemeanor territory. Another site tells me that in Indiana that means up to 180 days in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.
It is worth noting, however, that possession of marijuana for personal use is a class A misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. And second offenses+ rise to class D felony, up to three years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.
Just as a general bit of context.
Shaunock
9 volt?
fogel
Id call it “punched”. Seriously. Is everyone here pre-law? Not that theres anything wrong with that …. 🙂
Rich
The point is that Raidah is pre-law, and she’s wrong about a very simple and clearly defined offense. Makes her sound dumb – and frankly, Jacob comes across as none too smart either, since “punched” is battery.
fogel
Yeah, i was joking, THOUGH i hadnt considered which legal term meant what, either, and somehow i never picked that up on Law and Order.
But would a brand new 2nd year pre-law student — Raidah — have necessarily had a class that covered that? And i doubt that we can expect Jacob to be in any classes which would have covered that in the first month (or, whatever) of his first term at college. Pre-law isnot a degree-major. And Id think being pre-law is like being pre-med: ive known pre-meds who hadnt encountered a lot of very basic stuff about Med in their college classes. Unlikd Australia where you can earn a law degree or medical degree in college.
Buttlerman
Well I learned that in highschool Civics and Economics (None honors)
so I think she would now such a simple term.
fogel
Im not sure that i retain anything from Civics, but i took it much longer ago than Raidah, so perhaps she should know the distiction.
jpic89
Are you kidding? We’ve progressed like 2 months in about 4 years. At that pace, Raidah took Civics at least 35 years ago, if not more, lol.
fogel
Dang! I get so confused trying to convert from InDumbyverseTime (IDT) to InRealLifeTime (IRLT) … Its worse that Farenheit/Centigrade! Once I thought that everything IDT had happened in the last 5 minutes IRLT.
Opus the Poet
No, some of us have been in jail or sued or a number of other things that get you in contact with the criminal injustice system. Assault is words and actions that do not result in contact, contact makes it battery.
Jen Aside
Man, then what the hell is the Assault class in XCOM? The “ooga booga run up and scare the aliens but no touchy” class?
[think she’s just using the “common” usage, like how “literally” means “not literally” and makes my head a splode]
[[alternately, she is doing for SHIT in her classes, unlike Sarah]]
Jen Aside
Cancel that, she knows it’s battery… it’s just weird saying “she batteried me in a store”
fogel
Would battery be cognate with battered: she battered me?
Rich
Battered is correct. I’ve had occasion to sign complaints that used that term.
fogel
Cool! But not to be confused with battered as in battered and deep fried. Though i spose that would count as legal battery?
As would spitchcocking someone in the literal sense of cut into small pieces and fry. Whereas the figurative sense of spitchcocking — treat severly — would count as assault if it was a verbal spitchcocking?
fogel
Unless its battery with a sock full of batteries…
JustCheetoDust
it’s just weird saying “she batteried me in a store”
It’s only weird outside of Philadelphia and Cleveland.
N0083rP00F
Like Battered and Deep frahd budder?
fogel
Ah! I hadnt considered that angle, though plenty of DoAs cast have been involved in it.
2) the difference between the Legal System and the Justice System, eh?
3) Im so used to hearing the terms “assault and battery” together as if thats a single term and without coming across or looking up their meaning….