I’m still tossing up over whether this is Dotty having an anxiety dream about not being as competent as she likes to think she is, or Joyce having a dream about falling to shit and then Dotty will swoop in and save the day as her knight in shiny armour?
I think it is all of that and also a refusal to let go of the versions of Joyce that were more dependent on her, while not fully accepting the Joyce who has grown and changed and is figuring herself out more.
Given that as Dorothy starts to feel like she is losing control, she switches to her outfit from the night of the kidnaping, I strongly suspect this is Dorothy’s dream.
It’s actually both having a psychic link established by Galasso. It connects them with their true past selves so from here they can actually CHANGE THE PAST. This is the start of the saving Mike arc, and the Joyrothy infinite love arc.
Aside: Tossing up is vomiting. Tossing out is throwing away garbage or suggesting ideas. Tossing around is similar, kind of juggling ideas. (Maybe see rolling over/rolling around) And tossing is throwing a thing somewhere or engaging in sexual congress.
Shared cause I’m genuinely curious if you meant you were sick to your stomach over whether it’s Joyce or Dorothy dreaming.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
“Tossing up different ideas” can be a legitimate if slightly odd turn of phrase – as in throwing both ideas in the air and seeing which one “lands”. 🙂
That’s how I’ve always used it anyways; and I’m 41. xD
thejeff
It sounds like an unusual take on “toss up”. As in “I think it’s a toss up whether it’s Joyce or Dorothy dreaming.”
Aura
Saying you’re tossing up between a set of choices is a really common turn of phrase here, but I don’t think you’d ever describe vomiting as tossing up (we do use synonyms though, like throwing up or chucking, hurl is recognised but distinctly American, you only hear that one on movies).
Dottenheimer: for I am become Joyce, the destroyer of Dots.
Dottie™: do you ever think about Joyce?
clif
This is all imaginary, but the difference between real and imaginary can collapse to nothing.
Suppose you have a right triangle. Suppose one of the sides is a single unit long and 90 degrees to it you have a side which is an imaginary unit. What is the length of the hypotenuse that connects them?
milu
is it sqrt(1+i)?
i’m worried because i feel like this should be funny and i can’t see it
Yumi
A^2+B^2=C^2
1^2+i^2=C^2
i is the square root of -1, so i^2 would be -1.
1+ -1=C^2
C=sqrt(1+-1)
BarerMender
We don’t say “1+-1” We say 1-1. Which is zero, which was Clif’s point.
Yumi
Sorry for trying to make things clear. But yes, I got what clif’s point was.
aaah ty @yumi!! I’d forgotten about this i=sqrt(-1) bit!
Heheh. Cheeky =)
jflb96
A little over 1.4, unless you forget the second order Pythagorean correction
Masumi
I was gonna say that side is 1+i long, which has an absolute value of sqrt(2).
But Yumi’s approach gives me acute confusion. All I come up with is “Pythagoras holds no power over here in the complex plane”.
Yumi
Well, for the joke to work, you need a way of ending up at zero.
Pergola
Three points determine a plane, whatever set of dimensions you happen to be enjoying. So Pythagoras is good everywhere. Now if you want to go non-Euclidean…
milu
@pergola
yeahhh that makes good gut sense. oh, what a prankster that clif *shakes fist* (…i’m still not quite clear what the joke is) (like why) (although, why not) (sometimes, it’s just time for a math joke)
Probably wearing them now, outside the dream. I think awakening is imminent.
Masumi
Which makes me wonder – how do you guys deal with things mentally connected to a trauma? I tend to try the ‘it’s just a shirt, get over it’ approach, and yet it always feels so very good when I get around to donating the thing.
Jason
Mm, “it’s just x, get over it” very seldom works. And the deeper rooted something is, the less likely it will work- and the more likely it’ll backfire when attempted, instead adding in shame or guilt or even potentially further trauma on top of the issue, because “it’s just x, why am I not getting over it?”
There’s no single- or simple- answer. For me personally, avoidance when reasonably possible (for example, avoiding living in places where I’ll regularly hear car doors slamming- not a physical item but relevant), over a decade of therapy, and self-awareness and self-forgiveness. Sometimes reclaiming stuff, concepts, etc, but mostly once I was well enough to do so, consciously separating from things tied to the trauma.
Ari
A mix of exposure therapy and time. And, honestly, there are some things I just live with as triggers and it doesn’t really affect my life
It’s definitely Dorothy’s nightmare, and I’d be horrified if a crush saw me this way in her dreams. Joyce comes across as a burden and a source of endless guilt here. Not saying you’re wrong, just…ouch
Alanari
Pretty sure Dorothy. See the door in panel four? That’s the door amber closed to protect her from Ryan. The book is wedged in the corner. That door means a lot to Dorothy and nothing to joyce. I’m not even sure joyce knows that book amber used to lock the door was lilac.
This dream is about the fear of losing control, I think. About not being able to do something. That’s why her trauma makes an appearance, she had no control whatsoever over that situation. I think she’s processing her yale-breakdown
Inahc
yup. I saw that door and my subconscious was like “shouldn’t that panel be red?”
Heavensrun
She isn’t seeing Joyce as a burden, she’s seeing *herself* as abandoning Joyce in favor of recentering her priorities. Y’know, the *thing she just started doing.* This is basically her subconcious saying “Dotty. Joyce *is* your priority.”
Heavensrun
(that said I’m pretty sure I’m part of the first generation of Joyrathy shippers, so I am not claiming to be unbiased in this regard.)
Meagan
Or “Joyce is *supposed* to be your priority.”
Needfuldoer
I think the Joyces each represent a different point where Dorothy feels she “could have” made a “better” decision in hindsight.
Saw someone else say it and I don’t feel like fact checking, but in the last panels Dotty’s outfit also changed to the one she was wearing during the kidnapping.
I knew Dorothy needed therapy, but HOLY FUCK. This is verging on psychotic narcissism.
Samniel
Dotty WAS getting therapy, but I’m guessing she’s keeping things from her therapist or stopped going altogether. Considering she’s gone into overachiever overdrive, chances are she decided “therapy is superfluous and I already have all the tools myself, I will not burn out.”
If I’m right then she chose… poorly…
thejeff
Didn’t she explicitly say at one point she was avoiding things in therapy because “they don’t let you be president” if you have certain problems?
Or the other outfits, since none of today’s Joyce’s are wearing what yesterday’s was.
zee
The one on the far right in the last panel was when she was trying to seduce Jacob, which was a really bad idea that Dorothy was late to know about. So maybe she’s claiming some responsibility over that. Her outfit yesterday is more akin to what she used to wear. She still does vests and buttonups but she’s been more casual since the time skip. The vest also changed in the last panel yesterday from closed black to the open brown ik walkyverse Joyce was known for. I remember her wearing it in doa too but i don’t remember the context. I think yesterday’s Joyce is generally more representative of the old Joyce Dorothy’s been clinging on to. Today she’s shifted to her pink long sleeve which is a more iconic Joyce 2.0 outfit, representing i think the growth she’s gone through. The Joyce on the horse has been questioning Dorothy this whole time, which with the shift to a more current outfit cements that Joyce has been drifting away from Dorothy as an authority figure
thejeff
I suspect there’s something specific for yesterday’s too, but I don’t know what.
The pink long sleeve outfit was what she was wearing when Dorothy took her to get her eyes checked.
Interestingly enough, a lot of THC can actually prevent REM sleep and therefore prevent dreaming, but I guess it does depend a lot on the individual user and strain, the ratios of cannabinoids in the strain, etc.
235 thoughts on “Fell off”
Amós Batista
Each Joyce is some mistake that brings more and more guilty to Dorothy.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
I’m still tossing up over whether this is Dotty having an anxiety dream about not being as competent as she likes to think she is, or Joyce having a dream about falling to shit and then Dotty will swoop in and save the day as her knight in shiny armour?
Taking bets now, folks! 😀
Benwhoski
I think it is all of that and also a refusal to let go of the versions of Joyce that were more dependent on her, while not fully accepting the Joyce who has grown and changed and is figuring herself out more.
Xaeon
Given that as Dorothy starts to feel like she is losing control, she switches to her outfit from the night of the kidnaping, I strongly suspect this is Dorothy’s dream.
HeatherJean
Gotta be Dotty: panels four and six show the door she couldn’t open when Amber was disemboweling Scarface.
Octo
Neither. This isn’t a dream. We’ve gone Into the Joyceverse.
Octo
Oop should have looked one more reply down, I was beaten to it
Decidedly Orthogonal
It’s actually both having a psychic link established by Galasso. It connects them with their true past selves so from here they can actually CHANGE THE PAST. This is the start of the saving Mike arc, and the Joyrothy infinite love arc.
Aside: Tossing up is vomiting. Tossing out is throwing away garbage or suggesting ideas. Tossing around is similar, kind of juggling ideas. (Maybe see rolling over/rolling around) And tossing is throwing a thing somewhere or engaging in sexual congress.
Shared cause I’m genuinely curious if you meant you were sick to your stomach over whether it’s Joyce or Dorothy dreaming.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
“Tossing up different ideas” can be a legitimate if slightly odd turn of phrase – as in throwing both ideas in the air and seeing which one “lands”. 🙂
That’s how I’ve always used it anyways; and I’m 41. xD
thejeff
It sounds like an unusual take on “toss up”. As in “I think it’s a toss up whether it’s Joyce or Dorothy dreaming.”
Aura
Saying you’re tossing up between a set of choices is a really common turn of phrase here, but I don’t think you’d ever describe vomiting as tossing up (we do use synonyms though, like throwing up or chucking, hurl is recognised but distinctly American, you only hear that one on movies).
Nottaname
Plot twist: This is actually Joe’s dream.
He doesn’t get it either…
Pun-ter the Harharharbarian
This is very clearly a Dorothy’s Dream Sequence
DaisyFM
This is Mike’s dream.
Ana Chronistic
SpiDor-Woman: Across the Joyce-Verse
Amós Batista
Captain Julia Grey: Joyces, assemble!
Doctor_Who
EveryJoyce, Everywhere, All At Horse.
milu
Dottenheimer: for I am become Joyce, the destroyer of Dots.
Dottie™: do you ever think about Joyce?
clif
This is all imaginary, but the difference between real and imaginary can collapse to nothing.
Suppose you have a right triangle. Suppose one of the sides is a single unit long and 90 degrees to it you have a side which is an imaginary unit. What is the length of the hypotenuse that connects them?
milu
is it sqrt(1+i)?
i’m worried because i feel like this should be funny and i can’t see it
Yumi
A^2+B^2=C^2
1^2+i^2=C^2
i is the square root of -1, so i^2 would be -1.
1+ -1=C^2
C=sqrt(1+-1)
BarerMender
We don’t say “1+-1” We say 1-1. Which is zero, which was Clif’s point.
Yumi
Sorry for trying to make things clear. But yes, I got what clif’s point was.
milu
aaah ty @yumi!! I’d forgotten about this i=sqrt(-1) bit!
Heheh. Cheeky =)
jflb96
A little over 1.4, unless you forget the second order Pythagorean correction
Masumi
I was gonna say that side is 1+i long, which has an absolute value of sqrt(2).
But Yumi’s approach gives me acute confusion. All I come up with is “Pythagoras holds no power over here in the complex plane”.
Yumi
Well, for the joke to work, you need a way of ending up at zero.
Pergola
Three points determine a plane, whatever set of dimensions you happen to be enjoying. So Pythagoras is good everywhere. Now if you want to go non-Euclidean…
milu
@pergola
yeahhh that makes good gut sense. oh, what a prankster that clif *shakes fist* (…i’m still not quite clear what the joke is) (like why) (although, why not) (sometimes, it’s just time for a math joke)
ProtoMan
Apparently Raidah slamming Dorothy’s presidential dreams was her canon event.
MM
Hey, she found pants!
milu
not the presidential ones, unfortunately
Masumi
Just gotta stay behind the podium, it’ll be fine!
BBCC
Yep, the ones she was wearing when she was kidnapped.
Mark
Probably wearing them now, outside the dream. I think awakening is imminent.
Masumi
Which makes me wonder – how do you guys deal with things mentally connected to a trauma? I tend to try the ‘it’s just a shirt, get over it’ approach, and yet it always feels so very good when I get around to donating the thing.
Jason
Mm, “it’s just x, get over it” very seldom works. And the deeper rooted something is, the less likely it will work- and the more likely it’ll backfire when attempted, instead adding in shame or guilt or even potentially further trauma on top of the issue, because “it’s just x, why am I not getting over it?”
There’s no single- or simple- answer. For me personally, avoidance when reasonably possible (for example, avoiding living in places where I’ll regularly hear car doors slamming- not a physical item but relevant), over a decade of therapy, and self-awareness and self-forgiveness. Sometimes reclaiming stuff, concepts, etc, but mostly once I was well enough to do so, consciously separating from things tied to the trauma.
Ari
A mix of exposure therapy and time. And, honestly, there are some things I just live with as triggers and it doesn’t really affect my life
Amós Batista
It’s very unconfortable bareback ride a horse.
BOOSTER SHOT
Oh fun swerve
Rose by Any Other Name
I think someone is having a sexual awakening.
I’m honestly not sure which one, but someone is about to have a realization about a lesbian crush they’ve been unwilling to previously acknowledge.
RacingTurtle
It’s definitely Dorothy’s nightmare, and I’d be horrified if a crush saw me this way in her dreams. Joyce comes across as a burden and a source of endless guilt here. Not saying you’re wrong, just…ouch
Alanari
Pretty sure Dorothy. See the door in panel four? That’s the door amber closed to protect her from Ryan. The book is wedged in the corner. That door means a lot to Dorothy and nothing to joyce. I’m not even sure joyce knows that book amber used to lock the door was lilac.
This dream is about the fear of losing control, I think. About not being able to do something. That’s why her trauma makes an appearance, she had no control whatsoever over that situation. I think she’s processing her yale-breakdown
Inahc
yup. I saw that door and my subconscious was like “shouldn’t that panel be red?”
Heavensrun
She isn’t seeing Joyce as a burden, she’s seeing *herself* as abandoning Joyce in favor of recentering her priorities. Y’know, the *thing she just started doing.* This is basically her subconcious saying “Dotty. Joyce *is* your priority.”
Heavensrun
(that said I’m pretty sure I’m part of the first generation of Joyrathy shippers, so I am not claiming to be unbiased in this regard.)
Meagan
Or “Joyce is *supposed* to be your priority.”
Needfuldoer
I think the Joyces each represent a different point where Dorothy feels she “could have” made a “better” decision in hindsight.
clif
No, I think Dorothy’s subconscious is just being overwhelmed by the many responsibilities she has assigned herself. S’probably fine.
BarerMender
I got that impression, too. Don’t know if I can credit it.
temporalshrew
Joyce really fell off.
zee
Damn, what an L
Animedingo
I dont think Dorothy is in Arizona anymore
milu
she sure is in a state
True Survivor
This made my night. Thanks.
clif
once again, milu wins the Internet.
Corronchilejano
She sure dropped the blonde
Caro
oh my god, sweater joyce on the other side of the door from the “ryan”-amber incident…
RassilonTDavros
Hadn’t caught that detail. Yeah, this is looking more and more like Dorothy’s dream.
Jester Queen
Saw someone else say it and I don’t feel like fact checking, but in the last panels Dotty’s outfit also changed to the one she was wearing during the kidnapping.
Bryy
I knew Dorothy needed therapy, but HOLY FUCK. This is verging on psychotic narcissism.
Samniel
Dotty WAS getting therapy, but I’m guessing she’s keeping things from her therapist or stopped going altogether. Considering she’s gone into overachiever overdrive, chances are she decided “therapy is superfluous and I already have all the tools myself, I will not burn out.”
If I’m right then she chose… poorly…
thejeff
Didn’t she explicitly say at one point she was avoiding things in therapy because “they don’t let you be president” if you have certain problems?
thejeff
What’s the outfit the other Joyce is wearing? Does that tie to anything specific?
thejeff
Or the other outfits, since none of today’s Joyce’s are wearing what yesterday’s was.
zee
The one on the far right in the last panel was when she was trying to seduce Jacob, which was a really bad idea that Dorothy was late to know about. So maybe she’s claiming some responsibility over that. Her outfit yesterday is more akin to what she used to wear. She still does vests and buttonups but she’s been more casual since the time skip. The vest also changed in the last panel yesterday from closed black to the open brown ik walkyverse Joyce was known for. I remember her wearing it in doa too but i don’t remember the context. I think yesterday’s Joyce is generally more representative of the old Joyce Dorothy’s been clinging on to. Today she’s shifted to her pink long sleeve which is a more iconic Joyce 2.0 outfit, representing i think the growth she’s gone through. The Joyce on the horse has been questioning Dorothy this whole time, which with the shift to a more current outfit cements that Joyce has been drifting away from Dorothy as an authority figure
thejeff
I suspect there’s something specific for yesterday’s too, but I don’t know what.
The pink long sleeve outfit was what she was wearing when Dorothy took her to get her eyes checked.
Sirksome
Someone got into a LOT of Joes weed gummies before bed!
NGPZ
LOL XD
Interestingly enough, a lot of THC can actually prevent REM sleep and therefore prevent dreaming, but I guess it does depend a lot on the individual user and strain, the ratios of cannabinoids in the strain, etc.
smolgrlboi
yeah was about to say if I can’t smoke weed I usually take CBD drops to *prevent* myself from having crazy dreams.
Mr D phone posting
“These edibles ain’t sh-”
O_O
milu