Well, the incest tabo is a perfectly reasonable one for several reasons including potential abuse of power and genetic problems, but that said, what’s the big problem of doing it with someone who looks exactly like you? Unless, of course, you look terrible to begin with.
Jen Aside
I don’t think people care about genetic problems in this climate-change-denier age so much as the fact that incest generally happens most when underage children are involved.
Hopefully I don’t have to explain why any kind of paedophilia is wrong |=(
Clif
Though with college age twins, that’s certainly not the issue.
I’m reminded of H. P. Lovecraft’s relatives, a brother/sister pair who apparently lived together and passed themselves off as married after moving away.
Drunken Nordmann
My opinion on that matter was always: If they want to do it, let them do it. As long as they’re not siring children, nobody’s come to harm.
Farmer_10
I always felt Incest was one of those lifestyle choices you get a free pass to be intolerant about.
tinfoil theory
As long as it stays in the family.
Dranorter
Also the genetic issues are fairly rare, and these days you could test for them ahead of time.
Rutee
First generation doesn’t have problems anyway. Chucky III didn’t get to be the way he was until he had a horizontal family tree for several generations. That’s why Charles III is the famously inbred Hapsburg and not his parents. Egyptian Dynasties would have been a lot shorter if marrying family immediately resulted in monster babies.
Kaoy
@Rutee: The royals of most lineages wised up after a few “wrong” generations. They started marrying second cousins or further out more frequently which, as I previously stated, added about as much to their genetic diversity as marrying a random person. Generally, most “mad kings” in history can be traced back to 3+ generations of cousin-cousin or uncle-niece pairings leading to their birth.
The effects of incest are exponential. If your mating cousins are twice as likely to cause genetic problems, then the children of two such pairings are four times as likely. Their children are, in turn, 16x as likely to cause problems, despite still being a cousin pairing. Third generation “lovin’ cousins” are still only half as likely as to cause problems as sibling mates. Two generations of sibling mates has the ridiculous potential cause problems of 32^2, or 1,024x the pairing of random strangers. These are rough models, but surprisingly accurate based on lab animal studies that have been done concerning the passage of genes that have been indicated to predispose an individual a particular type of cancer.
Kaoy
This is mostly a reply to Dran and Rutee, but the thread has gotten to long to comment to them directly.
@Dranorter. that is not, strictly speaking, true. First gen incest between individuals of close genetic make up (fraternal twins = regular siblings, so far as genetics are concerned) has a nasty habit of bringing recessive traits to surface. No, they might not all have clotting disorders and severe and crippling scoliosis, but anything that has a habit of running in a family is about 32x more likely to crop up when a pair of siblings have a child vs. unrelated individuals. One way to think of this is if you have a couple of uncles and aunts with asthma and a couple more with eczema, you can bet some pretty good money that the child of you and your sibling with have one, the other, or both.
@Rutee: Royalty often paired with first cousins, aunt/uncles, ect. Rarely (as in, none come to mind) did they breed with their siblings. This may seem seem like a “so what?” difference, but when you explore genetics, it isn’t. Your siblings genetics are roughly 50% identical to yours. Your fathers are roughly 25% like yours. This means your uncles genetics are roughly 12.5% of yours (50% * 25% = 12.5%, this is actually true of your grandparents, fyi). Your cousin shares roughly 1/16th, or 6.25%, of your genetics. Any further out then that, and you may as well be mating with a stranger off the street.
If a few generations of Cousin on Cousin and Uncle on Niece parings screwed up certain royals as much as it did, imagine what a pair of siblings can do.
Rutee
Clearly not as much as our taboos dictate, given that we have dynasties that did it over multiple generations.
Rutee
Merde. I left a ‘generally’ out of my first post on the matter. My bad on that.
lightsabermario
You know what makes this conversation even more disturbing? Look up the Westermarck effect. Siblings separated at birth, meeting each other and not knowing that they are siblings, tend to find each other highly sexually attractive. Disgusting, and yet… it explains Luke and Leia kissing! George Lucas got it right!
Kaoy
Uh, no. I have no idea where you are getting the second half of your comment. All the Westermarck effect tells us is that you don’t find your own sister/brother sexy because you grew up with them and have some biologic/mental resistance to thinking of them as a potential mate (through Darwinism, pheromones, or some other less explained reasons).
Two siblings who never met are no more likely to find the other sexually attractive than any other two individuals. Unless you believe the VERY messy – and heavily refuted – logic of Freud, I really can’t figure out where you are getting that idea. Freudian theory is the basis of modern psychology in much the same way alchemy is the basis for chemistry.
Ancestral Hamster
For a narcissist it would be the Ultimate! After all, if you are perfect, there is no one better to have sex with!
Also regarding incest, that reminds me of a punchline, “If she ain’t good enough for her own kin, she ain’t good enough for you.”
David
If you were perfect why would you need to have sex?
TJ Baltimore
If you were perfect, why would you want to stop having sex?
masterofbones
If I had a clone, I wouldn’t go outside very much.
I’d be busy.
tinfoil theory
Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With the Y chromosome changed to X.
And when she is grown,
My very own clone,
We’ll be of the opposite sex.
Clone, clone of my own,
With the Y chromosome changed to X.
And when we’re alone,
Since her mind is my own,
She’ll be thinking of nothing but
Deanatay
I think I’m a clone now,
There’s always two of me
Just a’hanging around
I think I’m a clone now
(A clone now)
‘Cuz every chromosome
Is a hand-me-down
Betty Anne
On a warm summer day the doctor went away
to a place where he could make it real
his assistant’s hips were nice
so he cloned her once or twice
now his hips are aching what a deal
Drunken Nordmann
Ich lass mich klonen
Ich lass mich
klonen
ich lass mich klo-nen
ich lass mich klonen
Rutee
Because you’d be sending your clone to your work/school?
xKiv
What about someone of the opposite sex who *is* you, and your child, and both of your parents, and all of you(r) zombies?
They recombine into their pure form and finally are more powerful than you can possibly imagine!!!
Doctor_Who
“Behold the might of SALKY.”
timemonkey
Salvid
Jen Aside
Dally
BalRog gets a "D"...and PASSES!!!
Salvid or Dally. Either one works. Two mustache tips way up!
dralou
Salvid Dally… why does that make me think of the metamorphosis of Narcissus ?
Hannah
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the ship or the strip and I should be ashamed of myself for destracting from the strip that started the shipping of this incestual ship, but if you start to google “Salvid”, it corrects you and asks if you’re referring to “Salvador Dalli.” I found that to be awesome and totally appropriate to add here in response to your mustache tipping! 😀
gwalla
It autocorrects to a misspelling of Salvador Dali? Weird.
241 thoughts on “Fire lit up”
Jen Aside
EEW HUGS
EvilPenguin
still gonna ship them
GoldStarz
dats incest :U
Yotomoe
Your point being….
timemonkey
it’s the game the whole family can enjoy!
Clif
Slightly dated, but “Incest is best – roll your own.” was always a catchy motto. :-P.
Jen Aside
It’s not just incest, it’s TWINcest!
Mc
You ought to get pun-ishment for that one.
Yotomoe
more like WINcest, amiright.
gwalla
Hate to break it to you, Mc, but Jen didn’t come up with that one.
(It’s been the rallying cry of the Supernatural fandom for years)
Jen Aside
FWIW, I first heard it in relation [HURR] to this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/BetterDays?from=Main.BetterDays
[WATNING: TV Tropes]
Jen Aside
…wtf is watning, shitty iPad keyboard |=<
Kelly
It has been used on 4chan since there was a 4chan. Guessing it was used on places like usenet before that…
newllend
What the fuck man, what makes it worse is that their twins it be like doing it with someone of the opposite sex that looks exactly like you.
Yotomoe
Oh God, how horrifying
AriBerri
I can’t stop laughing. But ew. But hehe.
Random832
Yeah, I bet you think all mouse people look alike, you racist.
-JAD-
Mousist?
Clif
Well, the incest tabo is a perfectly reasonable one for several reasons including potential abuse of power and genetic problems, but that said, what’s the big problem of doing it with someone who looks exactly like you? Unless, of course, you look terrible to begin with.
Jen Aside
I don’t think people care about genetic problems in this climate-change-denier age so much as the fact that incest generally happens most when underage children are involved.
Hopefully I don’t have to explain why any kind of paedophilia is wrong |=(
Clif
Though with college age twins, that’s certainly not the issue.
I’m reminded of H. P. Lovecraft’s relatives, a brother/sister pair who apparently lived together and passed themselves off as married after moving away.
Drunken Nordmann
My opinion on that matter was always: If they want to do it, let them do it. As long as they’re not siring children, nobody’s come to harm.
Farmer_10
I always felt Incest was one of those lifestyle choices you get a free pass to be intolerant about.
tinfoil theory
As long as it stays in the family.
Dranorter
Also the genetic issues are fairly rare, and these days you could test for them ahead of time.
Rutee
First generation doesn’t have problems anyway. Chucky III didn’t get to be the way he was until he had a horizontal family tree for several generations. That’s why Charles III is the famously inbred Hapsburg and not his parents. Egyptian Dynasties would have been a lot shorter if marrying family immediately resulted in monster babies.
Kaoy
@Rutee: The royals of most lineages wised up after a few “wrong” generations. They started marrying second cousins or further out more frequently which, as I previously stated, added about as much to their genetic diversity as marrying a random person. Generally, most “mad kings” in history can be traced back to 3+ generations of cousin-cousin or uncle-niece pairings leading to their birth.
The effects of incest are exponential. If your mating cousins are twice as likely to cause genetic problems, then the children of two such pairings are four times as likely. Their children are, in turn, 16x as likely to cause problems, despite still being a cousin pairing. Third generation “lovin’ cousins” are still only half as likely as to cause problems as sibling mates. Two generations of sibling mates has the ridiculous potential cause problems of 32^2, or 1,024x the pairing of random strangers. These are rough models, but surprisingly accurate based on lab animal studies that have been done concerning the passage of genes that have been indicated to predispose an individual a particular type of cancer.
Kaoy
This is mostly a reply to Dran and Rutee, but the thread has gotten to long to comment to them directly.
@Dranorter. that is not, strictly speaking, true. First gen incest between individuals of close genetic make up (fraternal twins = regular siblings, so far as genetics are concerned) has a nasty habit of bringing recessive traits to surface. No, they might not all have clotting disorders and severe and crippling scoliosis, but anything that has a habit of running in a family is about 32x more likely to crop up when a pair of siblings have a child vs. unrelated individuals. One way to think of this is if you have a couple of uncles and aunts with asthma and a couple more with eczema, you can bet some pretty good money that the child of you and your sibling with have one, the other, or both.
@Rutee: Royalty often paired with first cousins, aunt/uncles, ect. Rarely (as in, none come to mind) did they breed with their siblings. This may seem seem like a “so what?” difference, but when you explore genetics, it isn’t. Your siblings genetics are roughly 50% identical to yours. Your fathers are roughly 25% like yours. This means your uncles genetics are roughly 12.5% of yours (50% * 25% = 12.5%, this is actually true of your grandparents, fyi). Your cousin shares roughly 1/16th, or 6.25%, of your genetics. Any further out then that, and you may as well be mating with a stranger off the street.
If a few generations of Cousin on Cousin and Uncle on Niece parings screwed up certain royals as much as it did, imagine what a pair of siblings can do.
Rutee
Clearly not as much as our taboos dictate, given that we have dynasties that did it over multiple generations.
Rutee
Merde. I left a ‘generally’ out of my first post on the matter. My bad on that.
lightsabermario
You know what makes this conversation even more disturbing? Look up the Westermarck effect. Siblings separated at birth, meeting each other and not knowing that they are siblings, tend to find each other highly sexually attractive. Disgusting, and yet… it explains Luke and Leia kissing! George Lucas got it right!
Kaoy
Uh, no. I have no idea where you are getting the second half of your comment. All the Westermarck effect tells us is that you don’t find your own sister/brother sexy because you grew up with them and have some biologic/mental resistance to thinking of them as a potential mate (through Darwinism, pheromones, or some other less explained reasons).
Two siblings who never met are no more likely to find the other sexually attractive than any other two individuals. Unless you believe the VERY messy – and heavily refuted – logic of Freud, I really can’t figure out where you are getting that idea. Freudian theory is the basis of modern psychology in much the same way alchemy is the basis for chemistry.
Ancestral Hamster
For a narcissist it would be the Ultimate! After all, if you are perfect, there is no one better to have sex with!
Also regarding incest, that reminds me of a punchline, “If she ain’t good enough for her own kin, she ain’t good enough for you.”
David
If you were perfect why would you need to have sex?
TJ Baltimore
If you were perfect, why would you want to stop having sex?
masterofbones
If I had a clone, I wouldn’t go outside very much.
I’d be busy.
tinfoil theory
Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With the Y chromosome changed to X.
And when she is grown,
My very own clone,
We’ll be of the opposite sex.
Clone, clone of my own,
With the Y chromosome changed to X.
And when we’re alone,
Since her mind is my own,
She’ll be thinking of nothing but
Deanatay
I think I’m a clone now,
There’s always two of me
Just a’hanging around
I think I’m a clone now
(A clone now)
‘Cuz every chromosome
Is a hand-me-down
Betty Anne
On a warm summer day the doctor went away
to a place where he could make it real
his assistant’s hips were nice
so he cloned her once or twice
now his hips are aching what a deal
Drunken Nordmann
Ich lass mich klonen
Ich lass mich
klonen
ich lass mich klo-nen
ich lass mich klonen
Rutee
Because you’d be sending your clone to your work/school?
xKiv
What about someone of the opposite sex who *is* you, and your child, and both of your parents, and all of you(r) zombies?
Opus the Poet
Ah, someone who knows his classic Science Fiction.
Plasma Mongoose
Incest is wrong, relatively speaking.
Clif
Tighten it up to “Incest is Relatively Wrong,” and you’ve got your slogan.
Plasma Mongoose
I believe you just came up with Arkansas’ new motto. 😛
Azhrei Vep
Oh no no no. We’re not giving up our current slogan so easily: “Incest is best, put your sister to the test!” is just too catchy to drop.
Plasma Mongoose
Arkansas.
LiaHansen
As long as they act responsibly, I support them however they choose to express their love.
Plus, did you read Timemonkey’s comments the other day? How could you pass that up?
Plasma Mongoose
I don’t recall.
Lord Geovanni
Walky’s third leg approves… Or is that just mine
Gadgeteer Smashwidget
HUGS ARE DA BEST
Insanenoodlyguy
yes. Kisses would be far more appropriate. Kisses with tongue.
An Average Loser
At least it came out.
Sensedog
That’s what she said.
GoldStarz
Is she gay?
Willoughby Chase
And Walky didn’t
etybolik
They hug from a distance with facial expressions…which isn’t nearly as poetic-sounding as I’d like.
Tunaro
Feels?
APersonAmI
Feels!
John
If they hug, I might die of the cute.
Doctor_Who
If twins hugged they merge into a single person.
Yotomoe
They recombine into their pure form and finally are more powerful than you can possibly imagine!!!
Doctor_Who
“Behold the might of SALKY.”
timemonkey
Salvid
Jen Aside
Dally
BalRog gets a "D"...and PASSES!!!
Salvid or Dally. Either one works. Two mustache tips way up!
dralou
Salvid Dally… why does that make me think of the metamorphosis of Narcissus ?
Hannah
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the ship or the strip and I should be ashamed of myself for destracting from the strip that started the shipping of this incestual ship, but if you start to google “Salvid”, it corrects you and asks if you’re referring to “Salvador Dalli.” I found that to be awesome and totally appropriate to add here in response to your mustache tipping! 😀
gwalla
It autocorrects to a misspelling of Salvador Dali? Weird.
Opus the Poet
That is an AWESOME PUN!
Lord Geovanni
Guess even Google doesn’t know
Nono
WONDER TWIN POWERS ACTIVATE
Mr. Random
Soooo. Quick completely ineffective poll.
How many people here have siblings?
poofdepoof
+1
SUGauthor
+1
Opus the Poet