Watch her win case after case by convincing the jury that this is all bullshit, and it doesn’t matter how many people her client killed because we were all sentenced to death the moment we were born anyway.
I buy the cynicism from a lawyer (or lawyer-in-training – doesn’t take much studying of law to notice all the fucked up little loopholes therein.) Sarah just needs to work on her Dealing With Clients And Judges Mode. (Like Customer Service, while also projecting how much you Know Things about Complicated, Dense Subjects.)
I also would not be at all shocked if Sarah’s eventual focus is civil law. Or something like IP where you’re not really dealing with laypeople.
I think also the fact that Blaine personally knows a lot of cops (not to mention whatever leverage he has on them) enough to be able to confidently threaten Mike’s life just adds to Sarah’s case here
King Daniel
Counterpoint: Blaine is supposed to be a mob stooge (i.e. a low-rank peon), and the mob will not be happy with everything he’s just pulled.
Abbe_Faria
That seems to be general consensus that even if he doesn’t get any legal comeuppance, the mob is not going to be happy with how this stunt of his turned out. Best to look at this as Sarah’s coping mechanism for everything that just happened is to go into full “we live in a society” mode.
Regalli
Also she woke up at 4 AM to a fire alarm for this. She wouldn’t be in a great mood here even if she’d been on the rescue team and not a hostage.
If I WEREN’T expecting Blaine to die mysteriously, I’d say realistically it’s somewhere in between the two – Dorothy is right that they have mountains of evidence, but Sarah’s right that Blaine has options. For a start, he could move to get shitloads of it excluded (the Mike stuff, for instance, could be considered ‘irrelevant’ to the kidnapping/murder as they’re separate incidents and prejudicial against the defendant. Lawyer wouldn’t even have to be in the mob’s pocket for that one, just a lawyer.) And given he has enough knowledge of the mob for him and the boss’s grandson to recognize each other immediately and apparently not a lot of actual power, a flip and a plea deal is a very real possibility there.
Regalli
That said, a plea deal would still involve pleading guilty (to a lesser charge, but still) and turning on the mob, which would definitely end Blaine’s life as he currently knows it.
Or, depending on who finds out, just ending it. See previous ‘if I weren’t expecting a sudden mysterious death’ statement.
thejeff
There’s also the Representative and several well off and connected parents backing the kids, which will help.
I’d expect the Mike stuff to be admissable, since he’ll likely be charged with that attack as well. Different charges, same trial.
Thanatos
But a lawyer could move to have the charges separated since they were from different incidents. That’s a legitimate request since he could easily be guilty of one without being guilty of the other and evidence from one would affect the other. It would likely be granted. And that separation would prevent even bringing up anything to do with one case in the other one. Not a total barrier, but it can make a series of evidence look more circumstantial than it really is.
thejeff
Separate incidents, but still linked together, since that entire incident happened when Mike found them staking out Becky’s place and the whole plot revolved around kidnapping her.
Twitcher
A little off topic, but I expect that when Walky’s grades are brought up, his mother will persuade the dean to let him stay at school, damaging Walky’s social standing among more ethical students and faculty.
clif
Well, his grades were Amazily okay, if not great, up to the kidnapping, so clearly it had an impact. Surely that should be taken into account.
Lokitsu
The big hurdle for Blaine is the murder charge. He might get away with self defense if his lawyer spins it right, but its going to be tricky. Although, Toedad being out on bail for assault and kidnapping(?) might play in Blaine’s favor.
Droewyn
But Blaine’s on record as having footed the bill in the first place. That’s all aside from the witness statements from every single kid.
Or Willis knows his audience so well that he doesn’t have to read the comment section and gets the same effect.
Chris Phoenix
Or Willis is talking about reality, and half the U.S. can’t handle it, so the remaining comments section also talks about reality.
Still thinking about handcuffs over-tightened on purpose to make the victim react. Occasionally the victim breaks free and you get to shoot him. More often you just take him down and then charge him with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. Win either way!
Usmagrad87
Don’t forget the possibility of using a taser in your scenario for the sadistic pleasure of seeing what large electrical jolts do to the human nervous system.
Illithid
Half the US is highly insulated from reality.
And they raise their kids that way, too.
Despite my icon, I’m not black, but I know horrifying injustice when I see it. Sometimes, at least.
The problem is that we got that with the first Amazi-Girl vs Ross sequence, and then he got out anyway.
Fiction being escapism only works when the bad guys stay beaten down.
EnerPrime
There are decades and decades worth of superhero comics that disprove that assertion.
Jdorr
Yes but generally even when a super hero comic villain does get away with it they still have massive setbacks and generally still go to jail for atleast a little bit(or the revolving door that is Arkham) and/or are usually the exception who half of hating them is that they can’t be touched
EnerPrime
He did suffer massive setbacks, though. Even if Blaine does get out of jail time (which is by no means a sure thing) he still got his ass kicked multiple times and burned his bridges with both the Brown’s church and likely whatever organized crime ties he has. And he can’t even pretend it’s not his own daughter that kicked his ass anymore. Even if Willis decides to let him remain a possible future threat, here and now he is defeated and has lost almost all of his power.
On the other hand, convincing the client of the futility of their case is generally not the path to big bucks. The preferred route is to convince the client of their winning chances and let them find out otherwise after they’ve run up all the legal fees. And then of course, there’s still appeals to bill for.
C.T Phipps
It is if you want them to plea deal or settle.
Sunny
Eat Arby’s.
Tan
Blowing smoke up the client’s posterior about over-inflated chances is a good way is a good way to quickly become known as an incompetent lawyer. You tell them this’ll be an easy win and you lose, either you managed to fumble an easy win or you just plain have no idea what you’re doing. Either way they aren’t coming back to you and aren’t recommending you to a friend. You give them a realistic-to-slightly-pessimistic view of how bad things are for them and you get them the best feasible outcome (and make sure they know along the way that it’s the best feasible outcome), they can respect what you do even if they don’t like the outcome itself. Especially if they’ve been around the block with the legal system before.
There’s a balance to this as you don’t want them to feel you’ve given up on them. But unfounded optimism definitely isn’t a long-term business plan.
Never discard optimism when doing a defense. If everyone was a pessimist when fighting at courts the cases would end quickly because of defeatism. Even if you are guilty, you want your lawyer to get you a fair judgement, and a lawyer has to do what they were paid for. There’s no place for pessimism in business, nor in court.
If pessimism meant people just gave up, Sarah would not be going into law. Or doing *anything*
Victor
94% of state and 97% of federal criminal cases end in plea bargain convictions. A high percentage of those are innocent people who feel like they have no alternative to a guilty plea. And many of them are right, because going to trial frequently results in sentences that are literally decades longer than the plea offer. We’re already there, pessimism has won.
abysswatcher1993
Just because that is reality doesn’t mean it has to be. Time for some anarchy.
I do have to agree with Sarah to some degree here. There may be consequences, but in many cases they are insignificant in comparison to the crime. Case in point: Blaine appeared, dressed in ‘armor’ and carrying a weapon (seriously, how many *normal* people walk around with a hammer the same way people walk around with a wallet or a cellphone?), which to me would clearly show some degree of premeditation … so murder, either in the first or second degree, would seem warranted. However, due to the congestion of the courts and the willingness of a lot of DAs to get another notch on their gun butt (a conviction), this will most likely get plea bargained down to manslaughter or assault resulting in unintentional death.
And then, of course, we have something called ‘indeterminate sentencing’, which means a person convicted of something might be sentenced to “up to ten years in prison”, for example … which always leaves the door open for early release. Toss in the concept of “good time” where a prisoner can earn time off their sentence (usually one day out of four) if they serve their time and don’t make waves, and even ten years is now down to seven and a half.
Not to mention the possibility of parole, once all the uproar dies down and is forgotten in three three or four years…..
Yeah, I’m definitely right in there with Sarah on this part, anyway.
Except Blaine isn’t just arrogant, he exudes Hubris! and that is the one flaw that cannot be tolerated. He’s gonna get the book thrown at him, And… …uh, are we on book Ten or book Eleven, now?
Mart
This would be a good time for Willis to Kickstar an Omnibus edition then 🙂
Heh, you pessimist think that you are smart by moking those with good ideals. I may be jaded as fuck, but I know cynicism hasn’t solved any problem of society.
263 thoughts on “Imprinted”
Ana Chronistic
discover? =|
Doctor_Who
Sarah the Nihilist Attorney: Thursdays at 8!
Watch her win case after case by convincing the jury that this is all bullshit, and it doesn’t matter how many people her client killed because we were all sentenced to death the moment we were born anyway.
Regalli
I buy the cynicism from a lawyer (or lawyer-in-training – doesn’t take much studying of law to notice all the fucked up little loopholes therein.) Sarah just needs to work on her Dealing With Clients And Judges Mode. (Like Customer Service, while also projecting how much you Know Things about Complicated, Dense Subjects.)
I also would not be at all shocked if Sarah’s eventual focus is civil law. Or something like IP where you’re not really dealing with laypeople.
Inkyzuzi
I think also the fact that Blaine personally knows a lot of cops (not to mention whatever leverage he has on them) enough to be able to confidently threaten Mike’s life just adds to Sarah’s case here
King Daniel
Counterpoint: Blaine is supposed to be a mob stooge (i.e. a low-rank peon), and the mob will not be happy with everything he’s just pulled.
Abbe_Faria
That seems to be general consensus that even if he doesn’t get any legal comeuppance, the mob is not going to be happy with how this stunt of his turned out. Best to look at this as Sarah’s coping mechanism for everything that just happened is to go into full “we live in a society” mode.
Regalli
Also she woke up at 4 AM to a fire alarm for this. She wouldn’t be in a great mood here even if she’d been on the rescue team and not a hostage.
If I WEREN’T expecting Blaine to die mysteriously, I’d say realistically it’s somewhere in between the two – Dorothy is right that they have mountains of evidence, but Sarah’s right that Blaine has options. For a start, he could move to get shitloads of it excluded (the Mike stuff, for instance, could be considered ‘irrelevant’ to the kidnapping/murder as they’re separate incidents and prejudicial against the defendant. Lawyer wouldn’t even have to be in the mob’s pocket for that one, just a lawyer.) And given he has enough knowledge of the mob for him and the boss’s grandson to recognize each other immediately and apparently not a lot of actual power, a flip and a plea deal is a very real possibility there.
Regalli
That said, a plea deal would still involve pleading guilty (to a lesser charge, but still) and turning on the mob, which would definitely end Blaine’s life as he currently knows it.
Or, depending on who finds out, just ending it. See previous ‘if I weren’t expecting a sudden mysterious death’ statement.
thejeff
There’s also the Representative and several well off and connected parents backing the kids, which will help.
I’d expect the Mike stuff to be admissable, since he’ll likely be charged with that attack as well. Different charges, same trial.
Thanatos
But a lawyer could move to have the charges separated since they were from different incidents. That’s a legitimate request since he could easily be guilty of one without being guilty of the other and evidence from one would affect the other. It would likely be granted. And that separation would prevent even bringing up anything to do with one case in the other one. Not a total barrier, but it can make a series of evidence look more circumstantial than it really is.
thejeff
Separate incidents, but still linked together, since that entire incident happened when Mike found them staking out Becky’s place and the whole plot revolved around kidnapping her.
Twitcher
A little off topic, but I expect that when Walky’s grades are brought up, his mother will persuade the dean to let him stay at school, damaging Walky’s social standing among more ethical students and faculty.
clif
Well, his grades were Amazily okay, if not great, up to the kidnapping, so clearly it had an impact. Surely that should be taken into account.
Lokitsu
The big hurdle for Blaine is the murder charge. He might get away with self defense if his lawyer spins it right, but its going to be tricky. Although, Toedad being out on bail for assault and kidnapping(?) might play in Blaine’s favor.
Droewyn
But Blaine’s on record as having footed the bill in the first place. That’s all aside from the witness statements from every single kid.
belladonnalin
Also: Sarah is a Black woman in America.
RedCat
And studying law (iirc).
Mr. Random
I mean they’re not paying her, so she doesn’t need to put on her “face”.
Zach
Someone call Adult Swim, she sounds much better than Bird Man
Jay
Jesus… I mean, yeah, but… OK.
*starts drinking heavily*
Icalasari
How far back did you have this ready, again?
Midnight Jon
to be fair, he could’ve had this ready on 9/10/2010 and Sarah would be exactly as correct
TechheadZero
Willis’s typical buffer is around three months, so probably mid-March.
Jamie
I’m gonna say December 4, 1969 for no apparent reason.
Roborat
Wow, prepared the buffer before he was even born, that is some serious planning there.
Newllend(henryvolt)
Well I’d say that’s a job well done, so who’s up for some swarma?
abysswatcher1993
That would be the most awkward Swarma scene ever.
Corneel
[google]Did you mean: shawarma?[/google]
clif
That’s what makes it awkward.
Opus the Poet
Someone has been reading ahead in the history book.
Reltzik
… so is the comments section reading DoA, or is DoA reading the comments section?
cookie1995
Why not both?
clif
Or Willis knows his audience so well that he doesn’t have to read the comment section and gets the same effect.
Chris Phoenix
Or Willis is talking about reality, and half the U.S. can’t handle it, so the remaining comments section also talks about reality.
Still thinking about handcuffs over-tightened on purpose to make the victim react. Occasionally the victim breaks free and you get to shoot him. More often you just take him down and then charge him with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. Win either way!
Usmagrad87
Don’t forget the possibility of using a taser in your scenario for the sadistic pleasure of seeing what large electrical jolts do to the human nervous system.
Illithid
Half the US is highly insulated from reality.
And they raise their kids that way, too.
Despite my icon, I’m not black, but I know horrifying injustice when I see it. Sometimes, at least.
Stephen Bierce
Happy Octobeteenth.
Mollyscribbles
look, I’m not saying it’s not realistic, I just generally find it unsatisfying when fictional assholes can get away with it with minimal consequences.
clif
This is in contrast to how satisfying it is when real assholes get away with it with minimal consequences?
Michael Haneline
@clif I think that’s the point Molly was making? We turn to fiction because reality leaves us unsatisified?
StClair
Thus all these pages of fictional assholes getting beaten up.
When reality disappoints, some turn to violent fantasies.
Nono
The problem is that we got that with the first Amazi-Girl vs Ross sequence, and then he got out anyway.
Fiction being escapism only works when the bad guys stay beaten down.
EnerPrime
There are decades and decades worth of superhero comics that disprove that assertion.
Jdorr
Yes but generally even when a super hero comic villain does get away with it they still have massive setbacks and generally still go to jail for atleast a little bit(or the revolving door that is Arkham) and/or are usually the exception who half of hating them is that they can’t be touched
EnerPrime
He did suffer massive setbacks, though. Even if Blaine does get out of jail time (which is by no means a sure thing) he still got his ass kicked multiple times and burned his bridges with both the Brown’s church and likely whatever organized crime ties he has. And he can’t even pretend it’s not his own daughter that kicked his ass anymore. Even if Willis decides to let him remain a possible future threat, here and now he is defeated and has lost almost all of his power.
Lines
That’s a good attitude for a lawyer to have Sarah
Fart Captor
It kind of is? Optimism is nice but one needs to accept the reality of the challenges they face if they are actually going to overcome them
clif
On the other hand, convincing the client of the futility of their case is generally not the path to big bucks. The preferred route is to convince the client of their winning chances and let them find out otherwise after they’ve run up all the legal fees. And then of course, there’s still appeals to bill for.
C.T Phipps
It is if you want them to plea deal or settle.
Sunny
Eat Arby’s.
Tan
Blowing smoke up the client’s posterior about over-inflated chances is a good way is a good way to quickly become known as an incompetent lawyer. You tell them this’ll be an easy win and you lose, either you managed to fumble an easy win or you just plain have no idea what you’re doing. Either way they aren’t coming back to you and aren’t recommending you to a friend. You give them a realistic-to-slightly-pessimistic view of how bad things are for them and you get them the best feasible outcome (and make sure they know along the way that it’s the best feasible outcome), they can respect what you do even if they don’t like the outcome itself. Especially if they’ve been around the block with the legal system before.
There’s a balance to this as you don’t want them to feel you’ve given up on them. But unfounded optimism definitely isn’t a long-term business plan.
abysswatcher1993
Never discard optimism when doing a defense. If everyone was a pessimist when fighting at courts the cases would end quickly because of defeatism. Even if you are guilty, you want your lawyer to get you a fair judgement, and a lawyer has to do what they were paid for. There’s no place for pessimism in business, nor in court.
Fart Captor
If pessimism meant people just gave up, Sarah would not be going into law. Or doing *anything*
Victor
94% of state and 97% of federal criminal cases end in plea bargain convictions. A high percentage of those are innocent people who feel like they have no alternative to a guilty plea. And many of them are right, because going to trial frequently results in sentences that are literally decades longer than the plea offer. We’re already there, pessimism has won.
abysswatcher1993
Just because that is reality doesn’t mean it has to be. Time for some anarchy.
Bicycle Bill
I do have to agree with Sarah to some degree here. There may be consequences, but in many cases they are insignificant in comparison to the crime. Case in point: Blaine appeared, dressed in ‘armor’ and carrying a weapon (seriously, how many *normal* people walk around with a hammer the same way people walk around with a wallet or a cellphone?), which to me would clearly show some degree of premeditation … so murder, either in the first or second degree, would seem warranted. However, due to the congestion of the courts and the willingness of a lot of DAs to get another notch on their gun butt (a conviction), this will most likely get plea bargained down to manslaughter or assault resulting in unintentional death.
And then, of course, we have something called ‘indeterminate sentencing’, which means a person convicted of something might be sentenced to “up to ten years in prison”, for example … which always leaves the door open for early release. Toss in the concept of “good time” where a prisoner can earn time off their sentence (usually one day out of four) if they serve their time and don’t make waves, and even ten years is now down to seven and a half.
Not to mention the possibility of parole, once all the uproar dies down and is forgotten in three three or four years…..
Yeah, I’m definitely right in there with Sarah on this part, anyway.
Geneseepaws
Except Blaine isn’t just arrogant, he exudes Hubris! and that is the one flaw that cannot be tolerated. He’s gonna get the book thrown at him, And… …uh, are we on book Ten or book Eleven, now?
Mart
This would be a good time for Willis to Kickstar an Omnibus edition then 🙂
Silas
Still 10
Jay
At least she won’t be surprised when the justice system disappoints her.
Reltzik
So what type of lawyer does Sarah want to BE, anyway?
clif
Effective.
Reltzik
By have an attitude that nothing of worth can be accomplished?
clif
Effective AND Realistic. Kind of a twofer.
JetstreamGW
How is it a bad attitude for a lawyer? If you go in assuming you’re going to have to fight tooth and nail… You will.
Chris
Dorothy, do you realize that you are a college student, not a police detective?
Doctor_Who
Dorothy barely realizes she’s not the president.
AeromechanicalAce
Dorothy is still in the Idealistic liberal kid Phase where she thinks Laws and Justice actually have something in common.
Give her some time, she’s smart, She’ll learn.
StClair
and that Government has anything to do with either.
abysswatcher1993
Heh, you pessimist think that you are smart by moking those with good ideals. I may be jaded as fuck, but I know cynicism hasn’t solved any problem of society.
Newllend(henryvolt)
I’d still expect someone like Dorothy to be good at covering her bases.
Reltzik