Yeah, the vibes with Walky were insane. I was like “oh, if they get together that would be a dramatic, delicious trainwreck”, considering what connects them and all
Somehow. SOMEHOW! This is worse. I love it.
MisterJinKC
Imagine the aneurysm Jennifer would have if Asher left her for Walky.
Miri
I don’t think Sal would be very impressed either. Or Lucy…
Miri
Oooh… Which do you think would bother Linda more? Lucy or Asher, as a partner for Walky?
Pergola
pourquoi pas tous les deux?
milu
为什么不是两个都? (…maybe =)
GholaHalleck
Asher is still brown, but less brown.
however Asher was with Sal, which forever tainted him via contact with the abhorrent. Add in the lack of genetic grandchildren, and Lucy squeaks out for the win.
Yeet
does linda actually know who asher is or was she just generally assuming everyone sal was hanging out with is a “hoodlum” though? I doubt sal would’ve told her about him
Seems unlikely. Why would he have put up with Jennifer’s nonsense if he wasn’t at all attracted to her? I tend to get bi vibes, instead.
That said, Ethan isn’t looking hot in that last panel. He just looks mopey and possibly ill. Maybe Asher would ask his advice on how to darken up enough to attract Jennifer again, that would be funny.
I mean, just because they can be attracted to people of the opposite gender as well doesn’t mean bi people don’t have to pretend to be straight around homophobes. Not admitting that you find guys hot is still not admitting that you find guys hot whether you’re a gay guy or a bi guy.
Leorale
Oh, I see, yes, I thought “be similar to Ethan” specifically meant heavily pressured not to be gay — but this commenter surely meant pressured not to be anything at all except for straight.
i mean, other than someone keeping a close eye on him on campus i’d think the occasional discreet fling/hookup would be diff than him just making out with dudes in front of his grandpa lol.
but i mean if it’s the stereotypical thing, seems like he’d be ‘accepted’ if ‘family is family’ or so. or if it’s enough to have him kicked out, either way win win for him i’d expect
sounds like a non sequitur to me, please enlighten?
GholaHalleck
The crime thing? Most are manly-men type deals. Being into men would be seen as either weakness or “dishonorable.” Probably one of the reasons he wants out of that life and those people.
If you meant the gay thing? bi-erasure.
milu
yeah the crime thing i meant.
sure i guess ?♀️
i mean.. i wouldn’t know whether gang types are more gender-police-y than just regularly people who are, on the whole, pretty gender-police-y to begin with
so that’s why i was like “um ok why”
but also, ?♀️sure
BBCC
The Italian mob are often raised in the Catholic Church. I have no idea if other mobs are similarly religious or what religions they would be so I have no clue what the situation would be for Asher and the Korean mob though.
Freemage
In general, criminal organizations tend to be on the conservative end of their culture on sex issues. And S. Korea is still massively homophobic in comparison even to the US as a whole (though probably equal to some specific states).
For example, this year, a gay Korean couple was granted the right to have one man put his partner on the official health registry. Like in the US, marriage conveys a host of rights, privileges and so forth to the couple; this very narrow decision granted exactly one of those rights. And even that ruling is still potentially vulnerable to review by their Supreme Court.
And yes, in most criminal organizations, being gay would be seen as a massive sign of ‘weakness’. Social pressure against homosexuality in SK is considerably stronger than in US, too, so it would still be considered a point of potential blackmail–which criminal gangs usually prefer to be on the other side of.
BBCC
Interesting! Thanks for the info.
Yumi
There’s probably a lot of variations in it among gangs, but I do agree with the overall sense that they promote the idea of being “tough,” and that good ol’ homophobia tells that guys who like guys aren’t “tough.”
i mean, they say college is the ideal time to experiment with relationships, straight or not. tho i imagine if it was something that got serious, ethan might spiral more if he finds out though i’d think amber would’ve at least given him a heads upabout asher
Don’t know if Jennifer would want to see her failure rubbed in her face (well, Ethan’s face) but I bet Amber would watch.
…Oh wait, Amber and Ethan have a complicated personal history.
…Nah, she’d still watch.
Zach
I thought she told Danny they should have fucked instead of using their patronizing concern for her as an excuse to run from their fears. And also that it’d have been super hot.
Dante
She also straight up pictured Danny and Mike making out, if memory serves
thejeff
Months later, iirc. After she’d had time to get some distance from her breakup with Danny. And after Mike’s death, which changes everything.
But she likely would have said the same right away, which doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have devastated her. Like she was messed up by Ethan coming out as gay and breaking up with her. You can support something and it can still hurt.
Nor is it somehow a bad thing to be concerned about your friend’s feelings.
“NO ASHER YOU CAN’T JUST GO THROUGH A GAY PHASE BECAUSE I DUMPED YOU”
“It’s not a phase, I’m bi”
“You can’t be bi! Bi isn’t real!! Just because I dated and repeatedly had mind blowing and tender sex with two women at this rate while also feeling attraction towards men, doesn’t mean I’m bi!!”
Ask me how I know this. Ask me how many times I’ve been told this.
I’m not bitter.
Nope.
Doopyboop
Oh Ghola, I’m so very sorry that that’s happened to you. Also, sadly not surprised. We bi folk get a bad wrap in a lot of ways, and that’s definitely one of them. Only women can be bi and only because it’s super hot and makes for a cool threesome when it’s two girls and a guy, naturally.
But nah, I’m truly sorry you’ve experienced that. The shitty assumptions of others is truly annoying. Because I’m biromantic ace, I’ve been told that I’m not ‘oppressed’ enough to be a part of the LGBT+ community, so I know how you feel.
297 thoughts on “It keeps happening”
Ana Chronistic
Ethan: I feel seen.
Asher: …
Ethan: *looks down* Oh, I *am* seen.
Ana Chronistic
“Can we ship it?”
“YES WE CAN”
hastur
?Ana the Shipper . . .?
NGPZ
To what tune should this be sung, earthling? ?
Bogeywoman
Boooob the builder!
Miri
I was going with Boris the Spider
Miri
But I was doing Ana the Shipper rather than Can we Ship it, Yes we can
Van Jealous
That last panel is a bit “creepy, crawly, creepy, crawly, creepy creepy, crawly, creepy creepy, crawly crawly.”
Anna
Boob the builder?
Opus the Poet
Genderswapped AU.
FaerwenOfValenwood
I’m not Not into it
Risky
No Ashthan for you?
FaerwenOfValenwood
what I meant was I’m not “not into it,” like I’m into it but in a slightly uncertain tone, haha
J
Not “Ether”?
Lysbeth
the Crows
Dante
I’ll campaign for Ether until it sticks |DDD
BarerMender
Ashen?
Shade
Double negative.
Nicoleandmaggie
Ship ship ship!
Decidedly Orthogonal
Sure we can. But is Asher ready to handle that level of Emothan-al damage?
nicoleandmaggie
*insert pun appreciation here*
NGPZ
It seems that Jennifer’s trash may very well become Ethan’s treasure!!! 😀
SO EXCITED!!!!
Bryy
WELP.
Nono
Yessss new ship.
I’m already on board.
Doctor_Who
Appropriate avatar, too.
Thag Simmons
This is a goddamn twist. Very excited
Theluxland
Oh no…
I like this…
Jodka
Even more appropriate avatar.
Yumi
*high fiving everyone who got bi vibes from Asher*
GholaHalleck
Not gonna lie, I was getting “Oh dear” vibes when he was messing around with Walky.
… Oh dear, I feel like I can already see how Ethan/Asher would explode relationship-wise though…
Dante
Yeah, the vibes with Walky were insane. I was like “oh, if they get together that would be a dramatic, delicious trainwreck”, considering what connects them and all
Somehow. SOMEHOW! This is worse. I love it.
MisterJinKC
Imagine the aneurysm Jennifer would have if Asher left her for Walky.
Miri
I don’t think Sal would be very impressed either. Or Lucy…
Miri
Oooh… Which do you think would bother Linda more? Lucy or Asher, as a partner for Walky?
Pergola
pourquoi pas tous les deux?
milu
为什么不是两个都? (…maybe =)
GholaHalleck
Asher is still brown, but less brown.
however Asher was with Sal, which forever tainted him via contact with the abhorrent. Add in the lack of genetic grandchildren, and Lucy squeaks out for the win.
Yeet
does linda actually know who asher is or was she just generally assuming everyone sal was hanging out with is a “hoodlum” though? I doubt sal would’ve told her about him
Angel
“be gay do crimes”
milu
XD
Yumi
Asher: “I came here to be gay and do crime, and I’m all out of crime.”
Opus the Poet
>chuckles<
shadowcell
Dumbing of Age Book 13:
…wait a minute
milu
Dumbing of Age Book 13: ???
Shitbird
Could Asher be similar to Ethan where he has had to pretend to be straight
Leorale
Seems unlikely. Why would he have put up with Jennifer’s nonsense if he wasn’t at all attracted to her? I tend to get bi vibes, instead.
That said, Ethan isn’t looking hot in that last panel. He just looks mopey and possibly ill. Maybe Asher would ask his advice on how to darken up enough to attract Jennifer again, that would be funny.
Proxiehunter
I mean, just because they can be attracted to people of the opposite gender as well doesn’t mean bi people don’t have to pretend to be straight around homophobes. Not admitting that you find guys hot is still not admitting that you find guys hot whether you’re a gay guy or a bi guy.
Leorale
Oh, I see, yes, I thought “be similar to Ethan” specifically meant heavily pressured not to be gay — but this commenter surely meant pressured not to be anything at all except for straight.
Samniel
I think Ethan looks like the “Hot Mopey Emo Pretty-Boy” from the mid-00s that REALLY took off in tumblr. So there’s certainly a market for thata look.
brumagem
Honey I’ve personally met many gay men who exactly that.
But same, I think as for where this scene is going you’re spot on.
GholaHalleck
Considering he’s got ties to organized crime, he’s probably kept his bisexuality on the down low.
If you meant like “Is Asher actually Gay” then… Yeah no.
Angel
i mean, other than someone keeping a close eye on him on campus i’d think the occasional discreet fling/hookup would be diff than him just making out with dudes in front of his grandpa lol.
but i mean if it’s the stereotypical thing, seems like he’d be ‘accepted’ if ‘family is family’ or so. or if it’s enough to have him kicked out, either way win win for him i’d expect
milu
sounds like a non sequitur to me, please enlighten?
GholaHalleck
The crime thing? Most are manly-men type deals. Being into men would be seen as either weakness or “dishonorable.” Probably one of the reasons he wants out of that life and those people.
If you meant the gay thing? bi-erasure.
milu
yeah the crime thing i meant.
sure i guess ?♀️
i mean.. i wouldn’t know whether gang types are more gender-police-y than just regularly people who are, on the whole, pretty gender-police-y to begin with
so that’s why i was like “um ok why”
but also, ?♀️sure
BBCC
The Italian mob are often raised in the Catholic Church. I have no idea if other mobs are similarly religious or what religions they would be so I have no clue what the situation would be for Asher and the Korean mob though.
Freemage
In general, criminal organizations tend to be on the conservative end of their culture on sex issues. And S. Korea is still massively homophobic in comparison even to the US as a whole (though probably equal to some specific states).
For example, this year, a gay Korean couple was granted the right to have one man put his partner on the official health registry. Like in the US, marriage conveys a host of rights, privileges and so forth to the couple; this very narrow decision granted exactly one of those rights. And even that ruling is still potentially vulnerable to review by their Supreme Court.
And yes, in most criminal organizations, being gay would be seen as a massive sign of ‘weakness’. Social pressure against homosexuality in SK is considerably stronger than in US, too, so it would still be considered a point of potential blackmail–which criminal gangs usually prefer to be on the other side of.
BBCC
Interesting! Thanks for the info.
Yumi
There’s probably a lot of variations in it among gangs, but I do agree with the overall sense that they promote the idea of being “tough,” and that good ol’ homophobia tells that guys who like guys aren’t “tough.”
Bittersweet
This is a horrible idea yet I immediately support this ship and am looking forward to riding it off of a waterfall.
Like I have no earthly clue where it’s gonna lead, but I wanna see it go lol.
Dante
The SS. Ether is most def headed for turbulent waters, and probably a waterfall indeed, but safety jackets exist for a reason. Let’s buckle up 8)
Angel
i mean, they say college is the ideal time to experiment with relationships, straight or not. tho i imagine if it was something that got serious, ethan might spiral more if he finds out though i’d think amber would’ve at least given him a heads upabout asher
Amara
Somehow I think Jennifer would be even more offended if she gets dumped for a guy than if Asher wound dump her for another girl.
Jamie
Absolutely.
Nono
Or she’d want to watch them make out.
Doctor_Who
Don’t know if Jennifer would want to see her failure rubbed in her face (well, Ethan’s face) but I bet Amber would watch.
…Oh wait, Amber and Ethan have a complicated personal history.
…Nah, she’d still watch.
Zach
I thought she told Danny they should have fucked instead of using their patronizing concern for her as an excuse to run from their fears. And also that it’d have been super hot.
Dante
She also straight up pictured Danny and Mike making out, if memory serves
thejeff
Months later, iirc. After she’d had time to get some distance from her breakup with Danny. And after Mike’s death, which changes everything.
But she likely would have said the same right away, which doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have devastated her. Like she was messed up by Ethan coming out as gay and breaking up with her. You can support something and it can still hurt.
Nor is it somehow a bad thing to be concerned about your friend’s feelings.
Doopyboop
“NO ASHER YOU CAN’T JUST GO THROUGH A GAY PHASE BECAUSE I DUMPED YOU”
“It’s not a phase, I’m bi”
“You can’t be bi! Bi isn’t real!! Just because I dated and repeatedly had mind blowing and tender sex with two women at this rate while also feeling attraction towards men, doesn’t mean I’m bi!!”
“…”
GholaHalleck
Silly Doopy. Only women can be Bi.
Ask me how I know this. Ask me how many times I’ve been told this.
I’m not bitter.
Nope.
Doopyboop
Oh Ghola, I’m so very sorry that that’s happened to you. Also, sadly not surprised. We bi folk get a bad wrap in a lot of ways, and that’s definitely one of them. Only women can be bi and only because it’s super hot and makes for a cool threesome when it’s two girls and a guy, naturally.
But nah, I’m truly sorry you’ve experienced that. The shitty assumptions of others is truly annoying. Because I’m biromantic ace, I’ve been told that I’m not ‘oppressed’ enough to be a part of the LGBT+ community, so I know how you feel.