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Knock
Posted on September 16, 2011 by David M Willis

246 thoughts on “Knock”

  1. Mkvenner

    Need to be more specific.

    1. Ridureyu

      Michael Dukakis.

      1. Aizat

        A little more specific, please.

        1. Ridureyu

          Michael Stanley Dukakis (b. 11/3/1933)

          Or his evil twin Roderick.

        2. Rogue of Space

          Obligatory “Roderick, no!”

  2. Plasma Mongoose

    Nice to know that Leslie doesn’t vote with her libido.

    1. Joraiem

      True, that really is for the best. But still, is it bad that I kinda wish she would? D= LesliexRobin 4evs

      1. Plasma Mongoose

        I bet Leslie would be glad to ‘slip a special vote’ into Robin’s ‘private ballot box’. 😀

        1. Xanatos

          with his peni…. wait.

        2. David Herbert

          With her strap-on?

        3. Rikushadow5

          This is the answer.

        4. Izzy

          NO! WITH FEMURRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSAAARRRGGGG!

        5. Canvas Hat

          Femurs gone wild.

        6. sarpiedon

          For a nickel?

        7. sarpiedon

          would have been soo awesome if I had been Mike…

        8. Rowen Morland

          Nickel femur strap on?

        9. Trae Dorn

          That’s a pretty good band name…

        10. N0083rP00F

          Man – that’s COLD!!! >_<

    2. Rodrigo

      Maybe she voted for the democrate, Robin looks like she is a republican since she is dumb, indecise, selfish, unpredictable, not trustful, don’t work hard, don’t know Politics nor Law and only won because her voters are retarded.

      Leslie is the most sane, wise and smart in both Dumbing and Shortpacked wolrd.

      1. lord of dance

        hmm… if i didn’t know any better i would say that was quite the hateful statement

      2. Swissaboo

        That is quite the hateful statement. You won’t get very far in life if you can’t figure out why the other side thinks what they think.

        Plus, who knows if Leslie is even democrat. For all we know, Leslie totally agrees with republic economic and foreign policy.

        1. Rayri

          I’m personally of the opinion that Robin is probably either an extreme democrat running against a moderate conservative (…not that that’s happened in an age), or green party. Possibly moderate republican. I don’t think Leslie would vote for a very extreme republican because she’s pretty gay (although there are plenty of gay republicans, most are democrats) and a professor (a study showed that the majority are democrats), and although I know many democrats who would vote for a more moderate republican and consider themselves democrats because they disagree with the extremism of the current republican politics, I don’t know many who would vote extremist.

          I’m personally fond of the green party idea, though.

        2. joeyo

          Robin is DEFINITELY not Green Party. Her ‘family values’ platform would get her run out of there so fast your head’ll spin.

          I’m pretty sure she’s a closeted Republican and Leslie voted for a white Democrat that ran against her.

        3. Rodrigo

          Sorry. I just love Leslie so much that I can’t believe she would vote for a republican.

          Neither that Democrats would accept Robin in their party. Weren’t they supposed to be the smart ones?

          And over here when we don’t like neither the democrats nor the republicans we can actually vote and elect smarter and wiser people from other parties. You know… like a Republican Democracy is suppose to be.

        4. David

          Comments like these make me want to make Leslie a Republican.

        5. Milosh

          Problem is, isn’t this supposed to be a strongly Republican district? In the real universe at least, I’m pretty sure it is… which would mean Robin would most likely be the Republican, and that Leslie voted for the Democrat.

          Though I guess in a fictional universe with a fictional Congressperson, you could stretch things a bit.

        6. David

          Within the past fifty years, the Indiana’s ninth has had a Republican representative for only seven of them.

        7. Milosh

          Ah, so you’re right. I just saw on Wikipedia that they have a PVI of R+6 (meaning they’re 6 points more Republican than the national average), and have a Republican representing them now, and jumped to conclusions. Looks like it’s more of a swing district though.

        8. Kirby

          You realize how stupid that statement sounded right?

          You just said that all republicans are stupid and that you vote for the smart people on both sides. >_> Someone please hand me the ‘Bat of Stupid People Beating’

        9. fellixe

          The Bat Of Stupid People Beating is not to be used for political discussion – that causes it to have to be replaced too often.

        10. Steve Charb

          Robin must be a Republican. She’s running on a “family values” platform, only to be embarrassed by apparent hypocrisy. Plus, looks like Roz is cooking up Robin’s very own closet gay Scandal!
          Besides, she’d fit pretty well into the Palin/Bachmann/O’Donnell pattern, if you ask me.

      3. Valdrax

        As a fellow Democrat, could you please stop making us look bad by acting like an illiterate, bigoted jerk?

        Politics goes absolutely nowhere if you do nothing but vilify the other side without trying to understand where they come from.

        Also, for all we know, Leslie is a gay Republican. Not everyone lets a single wedge issue drive their entire political worldview and pigeon-hole them into a stereotype.

        1. Björn

          Hear, hear!

        2. Lordphulish

          40% of the country is independent now, what about that? Leslie is statistically more likely to be an indy than anything else. Voting for or against a Democrat or Republican doesn’t mean you are one.

        3. Canvas Hat

          Thank you for ending this.

        4. Pat

          A politician attacking a minority group “wedge issue” if you happen to be part of the relevant group.

          And frankly, I don’t think it should be even if you’re not.

        5. Rodrigo

          Valdrax and Lordphulish, you both seems to be wise, I hope more people think like you.

          Sorry for making such a fuss. Can you forgive me for my bad english, prejudice and over-generalization?

          I just get way too pissed with the right wings parties. We have three big right wing parties over here, and they have been pissing me so freaking much this year that I can’t control my anger. They are allowing big farmers to destroy riverbeds, allowing teaching religion over science in public schools, defending bigotry, stealing our money, wasting billions with sport while the health system sucks, raising their own salaries… I’m just……… way too frustrated to control my self.

        6. fellixe

          And they do all that because the espouse political ideals they haven’t thought through very well. See? You can learn from your opponents.

        7. Rodrigo

          Over here the Right wing parties are always doing whatever they can to transform our environmental preservation areas into big farms. The Left are not much better, they want to give the land to the poorer, not to preserve it.

          I don’t think its lack of thinking about the other side, I think its greed, selfishness and ignorance from both parties. That’s why I voted for the Green Party.

      4. Plasma Mongoose

        Almost without exception, political parties are a lot like bedpans; they needed to be changed and for the same reason.

        I don’t believe I need to elaberate the reason, do I?

        1. Bullycon

          Sadly, we keep swapping out the two bedpans without bothering to clean them first.

        2. Plasma Mongoose

          That makes the metaphor even more accurate. 🙂

        3. Rodrigo

          I agree. Great metaphor.

          But sometimes we also may use the same bedpan twice without cleaning.

        4. N0083rP00F

          And here I always thought it was about diapers ….

          But then again, this is what you get with an entrenched two party system that is self perpetuating.

          You may have even 70% independents but one of the two parties will have their “person” in the oval office. It’s just gamed that way.

        5. lord of dance

          bad hygiene?

        6. begbert2

          Yes, in that over time they become full of-

        7. Mels

          -femurs.

      5. calendarman27

        So judging by both your spelling and your opinion that all Republicans are dumb, you must be the biggest Republican of all

        1. David

          I’m keeping this entire exchange on the site just for this one response.

        2. Just for kix

          Ouch, harsh!

        3. Rodrigo

          I apologize for my hate comment and my bad english, not my native language (witch is portuguese, and school english class over here is not very good). I did not wanted to represent the democrats at all, i’m not even american.

          I know the culture have a very big influence in politic views, that’s one of the reasons I prefer the democrats, like most of foreigns I prefer the party that cares about the rest of the world.

          I just can’t believe a smart, sane, mature, lovely, kind and lesbian would vote for a republican.

          As far as I know most republicans are selfish, conservative, greed, religious, intolerant, bigots, rednecks and/or can’t see farther than their own bellybuttons. Aren’t republicans against a more egalitarian health policy, gay rights, steam cell research and teaching evolution?

          But I admit, maybe I’m wrong! My sources may not be very reliable.

        4. R.K. Milholland

          “I’m sorry for my hateful words about Republicans. Here’s a few more of them.”

        5. fellixe

          Really. Hey, Rodrigo, can I take that shovel for you. That hole looks quite deep enough.

        6. Horerczy

          Allow me to explain the difference between Democrats and Republicans at least as far as the ones that get into office go.

          The Republicans spend money. The Democrats spend money faster. That is all you really need to know.

        7. Plasma Mongoose

          Australia has very different meanings for certain political words, for instance:

          A Liberal voter is typically right wing and conservative.

          The (Australian) Democrats used to be the 3rd party that kept the ‘bastards’ honest, now that job is the Greens.

        8. Brendan

          Republicans are against “a more egalitarian” health care system, yes. Teaching creation in schools in tandem is a fringe position, and not teaching evolution more fringe. I think the mainstream Republican position is not kind to gay rights, generally disallowing gay marriage or civil unions, slightly less strongly against adoption, and about evenly split on discrimination laws. Stem cell research is split as well.

          However, the US looks at social services very differently than most countries, because of our history with private industry catapulting our economy the way it has at a number of points, even to the detriment of the populace in some ways, which is why health care is more controversial.

          If you “can’t believe a smart, sane, mature, lovely, kind and lesbian would vote for a republican”… well, to be honest, you’re mostly right. However, you’ve got to recall that the US view of the state is very Hobbesian, and there’s a sense that Europe and the rest of the Americas get to enjoy the levels of social services they do in part because we and other countries don’t. “Beware of generous kings,” the saying goes. It’s true Leslie is almost certainly a Democrat, or a left-leaning independent, but that’s a bit of a harsh thing to say.

          (And if the Democrats would keep to their promises about the military, they wouldn’t be spending money half as fast…)

        9. Rodrigo

          Over here the Left wing also spend twice as fast as the Right wing, using most to help the poor to not become poorer. The Right need only half to help the riches get a lot richer.

          But don’t understand how your horrible social service would help us to have a better one. Seriously, how?

        10. Asuka L.S.

          I THINK I understood your question. You’re wanting to know how limiting social welfare provisions could help Portuguese society.

          Being a Danish Social Democrat, I’ll give you my thoughts. The primary benefit to Portugal from limiting its social welfare provisions at this point would be to get its budget deficit under control. The key to providing a social safety net is to stretch it only as wide as the money will allow. Establish an effective progressive taxation regiment and offer social welfare initiatives based on the amount of money that this regiment generates.

          The problem is that Portugal overreached, and now the bill is coming due. A similar problem has emerged in Greece, only on a much more severe scale.

          As far as basing your economic model off of that of the United States: don’t. Just don’t. The US is up to its neck in debt, and it’s only getting worse. Americans are lovely people (and you really should stop listening to stereotypes about them), but their government has rocks for brains.

      6. Asuka L.S.

        Damn, dude! We felt the tremors of that exchange over here in DENMARK. Stop shaking my house!

    3. sun tzu

      100% agreed.

      1. ryu

        i like your name. I was thinking about using it.

        1. ryu

          likewise!

  3. Jen Aside

    I wish “the white guy she ran against” narrowed it down some =/

    1. qka

      If you lived in that district, you’d know who she meant.

      1. Mkvenner

        Which white guy?

        1. qka

          Since most elections in the US are two horse races, it would be obvious.

        2. fellixe

          The one in the suit.

        3. Swissaboo

          The one she was running against. If leslie had said “I voted for not-Robin” then she would be exactly as specific as she is now.

        4. Canvas Hat

          Sydney Yus in disguise?

    2. Valdrax

      You think she means that fictional candidate who lost a fictional race and will never have any impact on the story set in a fictional universe? That white guy? The fictional one?

      1. begbert2

        Ronald Reagan?

        1. johannhowitzer

          I was wondering when someone was going to mention him…

  4. Ragnal

    Wah. Wah. Waaaaaaaaah.

  5. Oruncrest

    Oh good. Leslie already knows not to let a strong personality override her common sense. This probably puts her one up on SP’s Leslie.

    1. lord of dance

      that just means robin never showed up to a rally dressed as princess leia

      1. Bickendan

        Yet.

        1. Wix

          See, but now Robin’s become integrated with the school, and all schools have rallies, so it’s literally just become a matter of time. I think it’ll be just after the rally Robin holds to get public support and Roz crashes her career down around her.

  6. Joe

    That reminds me of a bit from season 1 of 30 Rock where one of Liz’s secret shames is that there’s an 80% chance she’ll tell all her friends she’s voting for Hillary Clinton and secretly vote for McCain.

    1. Plasma Mongoose

      In other words, Leslie loves the idea of Robin and how she is paving the way for future women and minorities to run for congress, but it does change the fact that Robin is in the wrong party from Leslie’s POV.

      1. Aizat

        Ah, so it’s the right person, wrong party perspective that I heard so much.

        1. Plasma Mongoose

          Exactamundo! *gotta love the late 80s*

        2. Blob Marley

          Check out the big brain on Brad!

        3. Aizat

          This is a tasty burger.

  7. gangler

    Atta girl, Les.

  8. T Campbell

    Panel 2 needs a sound effect.

    PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOT

    1. Plasma Mongoose

      You’re suggesting that Roz may be up to no good!?!

      *shock/horror/dismay* 😛

    2. narmenduke

      DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUN.

    3. Zuche

      I didn’t see anyone digging graves…

      1. Wix

        … So I should just fill up that hole?

        1. Muahahahaha

          With your penis.

        2. Wix

          … I’m gonna need a bottle of viagra to do that.

      2. Valdrax

        Or teleporting into ErfWorld.

  9. Scotty Van

    So I take it this Robin’s policies are a little more problematic than “World Peace,” “make these two guys bang,” and “ban all cancer forever.”

    1. Brendan

      They probably always were; Olbermann may make fun of Democrats, but the nicknames and funny voices are reserved for Republicans, Libertarians, and gigantic DINOs.

    2. Valdrax

      I think you forgot her platform on the critical Dinobot v. Soundwave debate.

      1. Joraiem

        But I doubt THAT’S what Leslie disagrees with!

        I mean, it’s Dinobot for crying out loud. =P

    3. Charles RB

      That whole “Family Values” thing last fortnight was a warning.

  10. lord of dance

    i know that as a white male i’ve obviously lived the life of a horrible oppressor and have had every opportunity handed to me on a silver platter, but i never really how something like robin winning the vote would be that inspirational in the 21st century

    1. Yarrr

      In that district–hell, in most districts/areas where one is a first [minority] as [government position]–it would be. We can talk about the U.S. as being a land of total equality all we want, but the truth is that government representation doesn’t reflect the population properly–in terms of gender, race, or sexuality (or ability, for that matter).

      1. George

        I find ability to be pretty much fairly represented in the sense that the average voter and the average politician are equally intelligent and capable of dealing with the responsibilities of elected office. Problem is, the average voter is about equally skilled at governing nations and flying space shuttles.

      2. lord of dance

        yeah, but in like 95% of those cases the minority candidates aren’t being oppressed, they just haven’t won yet so i don’t see how thats all that inspirational. IMO. and as mentioned before in a battle of race i am not only unarmed but also have to start with a gaping hole in my chest, if i were robin and the big thing that im known for is being the first hispanic female to win an indiana seat in 2009 as opposed to being a good rep for the people id be pretty pissed.

        1. MagpieSeven

          Wait, you think you start at a disadvantage because you’re a white guy? Here’s the skinny, Alabaster Joe: We have it really easy when it comes to public perception, because people tend to judge white dudes for what they’ve done instead of for their race or their sex or whatevs.

          Robin would totally be a big deal, and yeah, an inspiration. Just not to, y’know, White Guys like us.

        2. begbert2

          There’s a difference between lacking equal representation in government and being (actively) oppressed. To put race aside for the moment, about half of the population is female. While things aren’t completely fair yet, I don’t think they’re actively oppressed – but you’d be hard-pressed to tell that by counting up the genders of the politicians.

        3. Yarrr

          “in a battle of race i am not only unarmed but also have to start with a gaping hole in my chest”

          Er… no. Being non-white in U.S. politics actually tends to work against you, as does not being a man. Here in the States, being a white male gives you instant authority and if you don’t fit into one of those categories (white or male), yr legitimacy will be questioned. Just look at the whole Obama birth certificate controversy (“Clearly he can’t be a citizen of the United States–I mean, he’s black!”) and how Hillary Clinton was treated throughout her campaign (“She’s too manly.” “Pant suits.” “SHE DOESN’T SHOW ANY EMOTION–SHE’S A ROBOT.” “omg, she’s crying? What a weak, hysterical woman. Clearly unfit to govern.”). If scales are so tipped against you, then how come the vast majority of the government is white and male?

          But back to the whole “white = authority, white male = double authority” thing. MagpieSeven is right. And right now you might be giving him more credibility because he, like you, is a white dude, while I’m–if yr judging based on my gravatar–an angry black female and you might be less inclined to listen to me because “I have an interest in being oppressed.” For the record, I’m a queer latin@ and I would LOVE to not be oppressed and for people to look at me as a person outside of my ethnicity, gender, and sexuality, but they don’t, so I’m just going to point out and fight against inequality where I see it.

        4. cmglothlin

          Wait, you’re not a hostile black woman? Well, I guess you could still be cool. Ha ha ha.

        5. David

          Really? You’re claiming it’s more unfair to be white? You’re “unarmed”? No, you’re in the belly of a tank you take completely for granted, complaining that everyone else gets a sword.

        6. lord of dance

          i didn’t say it was unfair to be white. what i meant by that statement, being an aside by the way and totally not the important part of the post, was that as a white male if i make even the innocent comment regarding someones race or sex i can, have, and will be trolled to hell as being a racist

        7. David

          Man, I bet some non-white people wish to high heaven the worst thing that happened to them is that they got “trolled to hell” on the Internet.

        8. lord of dance

          wow… you are just totally determined to not get my point huh?

        9. Dennies

          You are just determined to argue with the guy who made the comic you are commenting on.

          Also, in some areas it IS bad to be white, but basically, does it really matter? Situational aspects will always vary so in one area WHITE IS BAD and another YELLOW IS BAD. You understand? Now calm down and enjoy the comic o3o I Just wanna see Robin and Leslie make out already.

        10. greycat

          I think he feels he’s at a disadvantage on the SUBJECT of racial progressiveness, but despite the desire to be seen as for such, he still feels that her victory to be somewhat insubstantial, given the perceived level of racial acceptance in this day and age.

          Sorry if I’m putting words in your mouth, LoD

        11. Smeeem

          David = white(?)
          David = currently being trolled to hell on the Internet

          Ha-ha.

          Also: “Oh man, it sucks how because I’m a white male as soon as I talk about race or sex I start blurting out racist-sounding comments that people can easily misconstrue. I’m not oppressing anyone, just verbally putting them down for feeling proud about something for which I have no background to understand, because I am a white male. It’s not like there are really racists in the 21st century; slavery ended years ago. I also announce that I am a white male everywhere I go, because I am used to being treated well for it in person and on the Internet no one can tell right away and people just treat me like I’m an asshole! They’re oppressing me BECAUSE I’m a white male, which they must know because I announce it constantly.”

          I have just created a new favorite character, based off roughly 50 people I have met online and offline. yay

        12. Creaks

          Huh, I thought he meant as a white male he has no experience as a minority, and thus in the ‘battle of races’ argument he is unarmed.

          But judging by these reactions a lot of people are seeing the same something being said that I…. dont see.

          But regaurdless of that part I do agree with Lord of the dance on his endstate.

          If I was elected as a minority and instead of the changes I made and the challenges I tackled all people talked about in regaurds to me was how I was the first such and such race or gender, id be pretty pissed too.

          Or maybe not angry, but dissapointed, like MLK on the boondocks episode where he comes back.

        13. lord of dance

          see? at least someone here can use their brain

        14. Andy

          And if you’d used your brain in the first place, you would have never played the race card as a white guy. (And despite what my gravatar shows, I am also a white guy)

        15. lord of dance

          for the last time i didn’t play the race card. that line was simply a tool to put my ignorance on the subject at hand front and center in order to promote an honest discussion of a topic that i was curious about, its not my fault that certain people are too stupid to pick up on that and instead of asking for a clarifier decide to make ludicrous assumptions based on absolutely nothing

        16. fellixe

          What a terrible card game! “Caucasian, I choose you!”

        17. Creaks

          yeah even if you were sketchy on what he meant with unarmed if you look at the entirety of his post any attempt at playing a race card is so far out of context it would make his statement so self contradicting it would have been nonsensical.

        18. Andy

          “as mentioned before in a battle of race i am not only unarmed but also have to start with a gaping hole in my chest”
          That’s not playing a race card? Saying “I’m disadvantaged because I’m X race” isn’t a race card? Excuse me for a bit, I’ve got some people to slap around so I can see how well saying “You’re only doing this because I’m white!” works on the police.

        19. lord of dance

          the phrase i used is loosely based on the shakespeare quote “I’d challenge you to a battle of wits, but you seem to be Un-armed” where i live it is a general phrase used to display a situation of relative disadvantage either in yourself or others. in this case i was saying that i, as a white man, was in no position to comment on finding a member of my race/sex being elected to congress inspirational because the first white senator was way back in 1789 when the first congress met. i will apologize for its usage in the sense that it seems that its more of a regional phrase than i though it was and apparently only one other person gets it. i also apologize that its apparently such a terribly disgusting phrase that only one person was able to get past it and actually read the rest of my post and see what i was really talking about.

        20. Andy

          I dunno if it’s just a regional thing, but it’s not something I would ever have picked up on. At the same time, it is far from uncommon to hear white people whining about how they’re hurt by reverse racism. While I agree that this may be true in some cases (affirmative action and quotas, for instance), for the most part there’s no basis for it. And, unfortunately, these views tend to be held by those who have other, more extreme views. So when you said what you did, you expected, based on your background and experiences, that it would be clear to everyone, but our collective backgrounds and experiences made us hear “When it comes to race, I’m at a disadvantage since I don’t have a race card to play.”

    2. Lordphulish

      Well for one, minority communities are usually split apart during the redistricting process into three or four other districts to make it harder for minorities to get elected. Plus some portions of the country are just plain uncomfortable with people who don’t look like them.

      1. N0083rP00F

        I took a look at some of those districts last election and they make an Escher painting look simplistic the way they convolute those boundaries.

  11. Brendan

    Yep, Republican.

  12. Jimmy

    If Robin’s campaigns are anything like the SP Robin’s, it’s no wonder Leslie voted for the other guy.

    1. narmenduke

      You mean you’re against a platform to ban cancer forever? Why do you hate America?

      1. Wix

        I think Jimmy was referring to the campaign featuring transformers as the main platform.

        1. narmenduke

          You’re against a campaign involving Transformers? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA???

        2. Aizat

          I don’t hate America, it’s just that America has been on bad graces with some countries. In short, the Bush administration.

        3. narmenduke

          *in small voice* I was…uh…joking…

        4. Blob Marley

          You tell jokes? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?????

        5. narmenduke

          I am ashamed. I will never hate America again, for America is smart, beautiful, and queen of the ponies.

        6. Plasma Mongoose

          I remember been told years ago that a true patriot is a person who loves their country but hates just about everyone who lives there.

        7. Wix

          … I guess that includes every illegal immigrant and country that sees what we have and goes ‘those people need to get in shape and get to work’. And I kinda agree, America hasalot of potential, but the people are… Either slow and intelligent, or fast and arrogant. And in a country that values numbers over quality, the smart ones get weaned out quickly in favor of the short cut takers.

          If you need proof, look at our nation’s leaders and try to tell me with a straight face they aren’t just silver tongued retards.

        8. Andy

          If our leaders are “silver tongued retards” I hate to think of what that makes the populace that often reelects them.

        9. Wix

          Well when the choices are limited, they take the retard that looks younger or one that ‘symbolizes something’. Kinda like the ‘inspirating Robin DeSanto’

        10. Andy

          The choices are hardly limited. There’s always third-party candidates and write-ins. The only thing limiting voters is their adherence to the two-party system and those parties’ ability to spend enormous amounts of money.

        11. Doom Shepherd

          In shorter, more accurate, and realistic, Forever.

        12. N0083rP00F

          Hate to burst your bubble but they have been in the bad graces of a majority of countries since 1776.
          And to top it off they whitewash [literally – see 1812] the evidence.

        13. Bill M.

          Being anti-Transformers isn’t being anti-American. It’s being anti-Michael Bay! Besides, as Mr. Willis could tell you, Transformers started over in Japan.

        14. David

          Transformers started in the Marvel Comics offices when the company was tasked by Hasbro with naming, giving personalities, and crafting a backstory for transforming robots from a variety of Japanese toylines. It’s as American as it is Japanese.

        15. N0083rP00F

          The technology and design is Japanese but the Marketing is all American (ie USA)

      2. Jimmy

        I was actually referring to

        http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/comic/book-12/03-minorities-report/witch/

        1. begbert2

          It hi- -er, vote for that.

          I mean, it’s not *that* much worse than a lot of *actual* campaigning I’ve seen.

        2. Jimmy

          True, I guess I’d have to see the white guy’s campaign to know for sure..

  13. Wade

    No Roz, stop being a bad sister with evil plans. Sure it will probably ruin Robin’s career, but what about what it does to your teacher’s feelings. Or your sister’s. This can hurt both of them a lot.

    1. Ridureyu

      It can actually hurt a lot more people than just them.

      OR it could end well, dunno. Depends on what tack this comic takes.

      1. Wade

        Yeah it can hurt more people than just them, but they will be the ones hurt most. Hopefully though Roz’s plan backfires, and ends up in a strong relationship.

        1. Wix

          Well, if Roz succeeds even partially in destroying Robin’s career in politics, then Rob/Les is a sure thing (since her pressure to achieve something came from her career in politics, and it was that pressure that ruined the Rob/Les relationship in SP.)

      2. T Campbell

        Honestly, as long as Roz’s plan doesn’t involve roofies or anything, I think she could do a whole lot worse than to foster a relationship that challenges her sister to give up on the “traditional family values” platform.

        Whether Robin knows she’s attracted to women in this universe is unknown, but it seems likely that she hasn’t thought at all about the real people whom “TFV” disenfranchises.

        Leslie is one of those people, and the fact that she doesn’t see herself as a victim just makes the realization that much more powerful the next time Robin has to sign a bill on hate speech.

        1. Swissaboo

          The traditional family values platform may not be a core part of Robin’s ideology, just a bare necessity to get elected where she’s running. I would run on a ballot of traditional family values in a heartbeat if I could vote how i wanted on other issues because frankly, there are a lot of issues that are just more important and you need to pick your battles.

    2. lord of dance

      since when has roz cared about things like that. its her body, she can ruin whichever lives she wants… wait i don’t think that works

      1. Ridureyu

        See, this is why Roz wasn’t being THE MOUTHPIECE the other day. Sure, the core of what she said made sense, but she ended it with (paraphrased), “And I’ll destroy your political career to prove that I can do what I want with my body.”

        And then at the same tiiiiiime… she shouldn’t be enslaved to her big sis’s politics or constituents. It’s complex and sad, but there you go. She should try to be somewhat responsible for the sakke of her family, but Robin should NOT get to control her body. Roz sleeping with someone? Eh, not a problem. posting a sex tape online? Eh, also not really a problem. Doing it to prove that she can do what she wants with her body? Not really THAT bad a thing… doing it to sabotage her sister for the above reasons? If she had THAT bit in mind, then yeah, it’s becoming less-good.

        So hey, I like it. You have both good and bad, or “she’s got a point” and “She’s wrong” at once! You know, like real people!

        1. lord of dance

          i don’t think robin was trying to control rozs body. i think that if roz had bothered to ask instead of just throwing a tantrum robins response probably wouldve been along the lines of “i don’t care, just stop slutting it up online so it stops causing me problems”

        2. Blob Marley

          If Robin’s political career is predicated on the idea that people do not have the right to do what they want with their sex lives… is it really so bad to wreck that career? The founding fathers were pretty vague on what PENIS goes in which WHERE. Campaigning for “you can’t marry him, God says that’s yucky” is a morally bankrupt stance
          (especially if you don’t believe it), and deserves all the wrecking it gets, and then some.

        3. fellixe

          But Robin’s career may not be based on those things. She may just be cautious about goring anyone’s sacred cows as she tries to keep her campaign focused on whatever issues she is passionate about. Even if certain issues aren’t a candidates main focus so much as those of the oposing party a candidate in a close enough district still has to tiptoe to keep from activating the opponent’s base into turning out and casting ‘anti’ votes against you. Robin may or may not be a family values candidate specifically but may just have to keep family values issues in mind because that is good political practice.

    3. Kirby

      What if it ruins Robin’s career and she comes to school and teaches politics or political science… or extreme diabetes avoidance!

      1. Wade

        That would be Karma. Bonus points if Robin and Leslie annoy Roz with licky style makeouts.

    4. Henry

      Roz is just trying to make her sister go back to college so she can appear in this comic more regularly. It’s because she loves her sis.

      1. Djw175

        Yes. This is obviously the reason. Every mean thing Roz has ever done to Robin has been all part of a master plan so she could go to college with her big sis.

        1. Henry

          Obviously. That’s the reasoning behind all of my nefarious plans. Same with everyone I’ve ever met.

        2. lord of dance

          ive always dreamed of going to college with my big sis too. granted my “sis” is a 6’2 300lbs man, but he wears his hair down past his shoulder so i maintain that it counts big time

        3. Plasma Mongoose

          This ‘sis’ of yours doesn’t cosplay as magical girls by any chance, does he? 😛

        4. Aizat

          Oh, you mean that image of a guy cosplaying as one of the Sailor Senshi who’s name I forgot at the moment?

        5. Plasma Mongoose

          You mean THIS GUY?

        6. Djw175

          Looks like I have to claw my eyes out now. And it’s all your fault Plasma Mongoose.

        7. Plasma Mongoose

          Clearly you have never been exposed to tubgirl, lemon party, 2 girls 1 cup or pain olympics have you? That image is just an itch compared to the gaping wounds those other things I mentioned are.

        8. Djw175

          But those don’t include characters I like.

    5. Charles RB

      I’m wondering if this “party” Billie and Joyce are going to is part of the grand scheme…

      (Assuming there is one and she’s not just intending to annoy her big sister a lot)

  14. Janette

    I am amused.

  15. Ridureyu

    Stay classy, Roz.

  16. Djw175

    Roz, your evil is showing in panel 2.

  17. Henry

    With the addition of Joyce-inna-sweater, this strip would become 20% cooler.

    1. Joraiem

      I’m fairly certain Joyce-inna-sweater is cooler than Rainbow Dash.

      It would be at least a +30% to coolness.

  18. NF

    Uh, yeah…

  19. darkond2100

    Didn’t know that Roz and Leslie were Hispanic. This is news. This. Is. SPARTA!

    1. darkond2100

      *Robin, not Leslie. Typing with my ass.

      1. Djw175

        Their last name is DeSanto.

        Also first time using html codes. Hope I dot ’em right.

        1. Djw175

          Well I got it half right…

        2. Henry

          Spelling, good sir.

        3. Djw175

          Oops. Didn’t even notice that. I tend to notice only one wrong thing at a time.

        4. George

          Does this mean they’re from Santa?

        5. Djw175

          Now I realize why robin is so crazy! Her present box had no air holes!

        6. Izzy

          The could be from Evansville? We have lots of 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics here…I almost followed that with something (more?) racist

        7. Swissaboo

          Well that still leaves the possibility of them just being straight up Spanish. Or their great great grandfather having been Spanish but now they’re just European descended mutt.

          Interestingly, I have a friend whose last name is obviously spanish and his first name is robert. I assumed the european mutt. Of course that wasn’t accurate, he’s Colombian, so I guess I’m not helping my case.

        8. Swissaboo

          And i just looked up desanto on wikipedia and the only two people with ethnicity mentioned were italian, which is actually what i assumed had previously assumed Robin and Roz to be. Not because of the name, it just seemed to fit.

        9. artemi

          DeSanto, and their hair and skin tones. I thought it was fairly obvious, but I don’t seem to be quite as blind to these things as others.

          Billie’s skin still seems a little off every time I see it. The yellowed… don’t quite look right, somehow. The tone always seemed off to me. *laugh*

      2. begbert2

        I admire the dexterity of anyone who can type with their ass.

        1. Joraiem

          Is it dexterity if you do it with your ass? I always thought that referenced skill with your hands.

          Though Assterity isn’t a thing, so I dunno what you’d call it.

        2. Djw175

          Posterity? See what I did there. Posterior. Dexterity…

          Kill me now.

        3. N0083rP00F

          Better than … Gutitrous .. Gruterity … ah, is there a Linguist in the house?

        4. N0083rP00F

          Better than … Glutitrous .. Gluterity … ah, is there a Linguist in the house?

      3. Kaci

        that’s am amazing talent

      4. Kaci

        I just typo with my fingers

  20. GrantCMcCormick

    I don’t live in the Indiana 9th congressional district, but I do live in Louisville, right across the Ohio, and much of it is in our metro area.

    In our world, Republican Todd Young defeated the Democrat incumbent Baron Hill last November, 52% – 42%. Democrat Hill held this seat from January 3, 1999, to January 3, 2005, and again from January 3, 2007, to January 3, 2011 (figures and dates courtesy of Wikipedia).

    Almost certainly, Baron Hill is the ‘white guy’.

    1. Creaks

      Louisville Ky?

      Ok, I had to dtive through ky recently and this has been bugging me ever since so please help me understand this…

      Why the hell can NO ONE in Kentucky pronounce Louisville?

      I can understand nicknames and stuff, like Louieville, but how the hell do they take a three syllable word and turn it into a one syllable pile of verbal mush?

      How the HELL is anyone who’s not from that place supposed to know that Lgffhvl is supposed to be Louisville?

      They say Elizabeth town or ‘E town’ just fine and dandy, so what the HELL is up with Louisville?

      And why the hell do you not have a SINGLE bank of america in your entire state?

      AND WHY THE HELL DID YOUR BANKS TELL ME I COULDNT CASH MY CHECKS THERE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH MONEY SO THEY TOLD ME TO GO TO DODGES FUCKING CHICKEN TO CASH MY CHECK!!!

      DODGES CHICKEN???? WHO THE HELL CASHES CHECKS AT A RESTAURANT??? WHY THE HELL DOES THE RESTAURANT CASH CHECKS THE BANKS CANT?

      AND WHY THE HELL IS THE RESTAURANT ALSO A GAS STATION AND A CONVENIENCE STORE? AND MORE OF A BANK THAN THE BANKS?

      They deep fry EVERYTHING!!! Who the hell deep fries corn on the cob? And it smells like they deep fry it in the gasoline. That cant be safe.

      Sorry, sorry, I went off on a little rant there, it was just a horrible experience its going to be a LONG time before I drive across the country again, Id feel less uncomfortable in Germany or Korea (South of course) than some of the. …. strange states I drove through.

      If peeps wants to see the grandkid again they can go take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut or visit me in Vegas.

      Oh seriously though what’s up with the pronunciation of Louisville?

      1. Bill M.

        My sister used to live there. It’s pronounced Loo-ahh-vul. Just enough Southerners congregated there for the horse racing that you get the southern accent. They tolerate people saying Lewis-ville and Louie-ville, but live there long enough, and you’ll pronounce it Loo-ahh-vul.

        1. Izzy

          I say Loovul…but I live in E-ville, so i think it’s just an adopted way of saying it lol. i don’t have a terribly southern accent most the time. In fact most the time I’m at work (McDonalds) I use an Australian accent….why? It’s fun to make customers believe I’m from Australia

  21. fellixe

    Not necessarily. Out here in the Pacific NW there was one particular race where I would have much preferred the white male to the hispanic female candidate. And I just got home from a Democratic Central Committee meeting a little bit ago.

    1. fellixe

      Oops. I was trying to reply to a comment that seemed to assume this strip meant Leslie was Republican.

  22. Ridureyu

    Keep in mind, too, Roz is going through what many college Freshmen do – the “I just discovered things I believe in – I, myself, not my parents necessarily!” phase, which usually results in a temporary period of HILAAAAAAARIOUS overzealousness. Conservatives go a-lynchin’, liberals go a-tree huggin’, and eventually they even out into normal people.

    1. Ridureyu

      I meant to say Roz is PROBABLY going through that.

    2. narmenduke

      I dunno. I feel like you have to be pretty damn convicted to put out a sex tape just to make a political point. I think this kind of goes beyond a simple phase.

      1. fellixe

        Commitment is one possible motivation, sure. But others could be impulsiveness or revenge.

  23. huh

    Lewis Black said it best. After all the scandals and all the deceit, in this day and age anyone who still considers themself a Republican or a Democrat is an idiot. I think his language was more colorful.

    1. Aizat

      Colorful as in full of words like “fuck” and “shit” or colorful as in proses and what not?

      1. narmenduke

        The first one. Lewis Black cusses like it’s going out of style.

        1. creatorx2

          “Those who consider thyself a Republican, or perchance even a Democrat, must henceforth fucking grow the shit up.”

          – colourful language, both interpretations

    2. Aydr

      I don’t think that considering yourself aligned with a political party means you’ve gotta agree with everything they say. I’m a democrat but that doesn’t mean I go “oh democrat politician Imma agree with them now”

      1. begbert2

        Well right, but you’re a democrat. Republicans *officially* rescinded their big-tent policy a while back, I believe (at least among the actual politicians) – it’s easier to consolidate your votes and win things if you actually, uh, consolidate your votes and vote in a block.

        1. fellixe

          Unless your block is some kind of a fad or the mitivation behind it dwindles away. Then you look back fondly at the idea of the big tent.

          And there are Republicans actively bemoaning the strict confines of what has become of the heart of their party, but they still hang on at the fringes. So it may be harder but is not impossible to find a Republican who is not part of the current set of pitchforks and torches that have gotten the spotlight of late.

  24. Björn

    Is it really appropriate for a teacher to tell her student which candidate she’s voted for and how much she swoons over the student’s sister?

    Still, Leslie’s ability to separate endearment (for lack of a better word) from politics increases her already maxed awesomeness scale.

    1. Shade

      It’s perfectly accceptable, they’re college students now, nearly adults, they need to start thinking about this stuff. But the thing that really makes it acceptable is Roz came to her and asked, Leslie wasn’t ranting her political views off during class.

      In say High School or down, no probably not appropriate however.

    2. artemi

      Roz DID come to HER office. She’s asking a question from the teacher in the proper time and place to do so; why wouldn’t Leslie answer her questions?

      Now, I’m sure Roz’s plan to turn this inappropriate within a few strips, but her’s to hoping Leslie is wily enough to keep out of that trap…

  25. Twinsnake

    Hey, since when is the better qualified politician the one that gets elected?

  26. Azukar

    What’s her motive… I’m suspicious.

    1. Aizat

      I think I know what her plan is. *grin* Well played but not well enough.

    2. Izzy

      are you saying that you’re suspicious about her motive or that her motive is to be suspicious?

  27. fellixe

    Right. I do political forums and end up disagreeing with people in the same party all the time. Just people.

  28. fellixe

    Ah, but this is the Dumbiverse. Maybe she supports Soundwave now.

    1. Izzy

      I read this as “but this is the Dumbledoreverse”
      Right now its the F—-ng Leslieverse

  29. DarkCalx

    looking at panel 2, all i see is this
    http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/426/lolpoison.png

    1. Kirby

      >_> I think you may have just created my new favorite meme.

    2. Shade

      Or she may have added a aphrodisiac, either or.

  30. Makkabee

    Glad to see Leslie’s somewhat grounded. A little hero worship’s fine, but you vote based on what candidates will do, not what they are.

    1. fellixe

      That is the ideal. But people actually vote for any number of reasons. Too many are willing to assume that a candidate is lying about what they say they will do because something about who the candidate is convinces them of that.

  31. artemi

    Damnit Roz, quit trying to break Les!

    1. Shifty

      How is she trying to break Leslie? She’s actually trying to make her kinda happy… for selfish reasons mind you, that will more likely negatively affect Robin’s political career, but that doesn’t mean it’ll break Leslie. 😛

  32. Doom Shepherd

    Solidarity has its limits.

  33. Robert in San Diego

    Leslie to Earth: I’m not an affinity voter.

  34. Sir Robin

    What’s with all these avatars of various characters in their underwear?

    1. Plasma Mongoose

      That’s just Izzy playing around with multiple email addresses and photoshopping.

      1. Izzy

        also I’m totally not using photoshop lol

    2. Joraiem

      They’re relevant to our interests?

      1. Plasma Mongoose

        Only if fanservice is relevant to your interest.

        1. Kernanator

          The answer to that question should always be “Yes”.

    3. Kaci

      You asked the question I was afraid to ask. I salute you.

  35. Izzy

    Okay…Odds are I’ll be sticking with this one as several at once seem to bother people or confuse them. My apologies.

    1. Wix

      *thumbs up regardless for Izzy* I personally like your work, just because it’s epic editing… And your comments are fun to read :3

      1. Izzy

        Why thank you Wix. I hate to promote my own thing on someone elses site so I’ll just say you should click my name….I’ll be updating tomorrow probably around 4 pm central time

    2. Sir Robin

      Oh, I wasn’t complaining

  36. Nim

    Awww, poor Leslie, there’s no way for her to have her cake and eat it too.

  37. Zoey

    umm this whole thread made me smile i love you guys!

  38. fellixe

    Well said. And the political “spectrum” doesn’t always work very well.,many think that it has multiple axes, the most common being the standard more or less government influence in society. But people even break that down by what parts of societal life government should or should not be in (public health, regulation of trade, family and cultural issues, etc.) But even if we look at the typical right to left spectrum how does one account for libertarians? On one hand you have the John Birch Society, sovereign citizen types. On the other you have MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell. And many libertarians can hold beliefs from the far left and the far right simultaneous to espousing distaste for political moderation. I call these ‘political magenta’ as in some understandings of the color spectrum magenta bridges red and violet without touching the yellow-green-blue in the middle.

    In any case, though, all political commitments fall to the wayside when the choice gets difficult enough. I’m a Democratic Precinct Committee person, but give me a choice between a Republican like Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and a Democrat like Montana Senator Max Baucus and I’m voting Republican. You can never tell when life is going to give you one of Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver’s Satan sandwiches, but in politics it happens more often than some idealists would care to admit.

    1. fellixe

      Meant for that comment to go elsewhere, but you can’t go wrong with the old ‘have your cake’ truism either.

  39. Snotful

    The term “guy” is generic term. The specification of “white” would require being white to be an unusual enough quality that it would identify the guy. Since it is not, it only serves to be a quick way of saying, “Hur hur hur, they’re always white.”

    And so, from such ignoble birth as a weak joke, a brief word choice goes on to inspire arguments about bringing race up for no reason, whether or not there is racial equality in the present day, and how representation should happen on the basis of matching elected officials to demographic statistics.

    You invited this upon yourself, Willis.

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