Really though, it’s amazing how much hope I get from looking at just this strip, even though no real progress is made to fixing the problem. I expected her to break down completely. Instead, I’m seeing a defiance that makes me think she’s actually regaining her footing. Break those personal barriers, Joyce. Save your best friend.
If Joyce swore, I’m sure that Sal would immediately pull her onto the bike and start driving immediately and use her awesomeness to instantly know where to go
The Chosen One
And Amazi-girl pulls up next to her on the amazi-cycle with dina in the sidecar in full predator gear (the dinosaur kind, natch+obv, but the other kind is an amusing image at least) and they all mutually sorta nod at each other and accelerate towards the horizon.
Fade to black, cut to danny doing danny things, probably wondering where everyone went
No. No no no.
All of you guys are making 2 serious mistakes.
1. You all are disregarding the hero here. Becky. Becky basically saved the day. She instantly defused an explosive situation that was about to go FUBAR, and if her dad is not lying, it ended without anyone getting hurt physically. Becky is the hero here, who saved the day. Saying that Becky is the helpless damsel in distress who needs rescuing from others is not recognizing Becky’s sacrifice and heroism and level thinking.
2. This was a TACTICAL RETREAT not a SURRENDER. There’s actually no way for Becky’s dad to “win” in this situation. He won’t be allowed to brainwash attempt Becky, he won’t even be allowed to retain custody. In fact, when Becky gets him to lay down his gun, you can see that he’s starting to deflate, and Becky is in fact gaining leverage and control over HIM instead. His expression as he drives away shows he realizes he messed up. At this point, Becky might even convince himself to turn himself in, at the rate she is taking control of the situation.
Seriously. Reread the last few panels. Becky is NOT “I surrender, I will do whatever you want now!”… Becky is “OK, I’ll get in the car, and YOU will do these things, and this is how it’s gonna go… am I right?” And Becky’s dad stutters back “Y-yes”.
I agree with the way you see Becky, her dad, and the balance of power in the last strip, he does look weak and sad. Considering that (I choose to believe that) he didn’t shot Dina or anyone, I feel sorry for him now.
About the title of this strip… is this the first one NOT coming from the dialogue in the actual strip itself? Just curious, I usually look back at the title after reading the strip and it’s always been there, maybe in sign language but still there – unless I missed some.
Also, damn it, Willis… and thanks. Like Nightsbridge, I do see that strength in Joyce that give me hope, or some other warm feeling inside.
Znayx
No, there’s a handful of strips with titles that don’t directly originate from the dialogue, perhaps a dozen.
But that’s not the important thing here. This strip has power, like… did you feel that chill run through you? Fuck yeah you did.
(And since I realized my tone was vague: this is an impressed ‘DAMN, you go Joyce, I love you.’ She’s probably going to do something impulsive and dangerous, but still I am so proud of her for being able to go from shock to righteous fury right here.)
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: when Joyce snaps she reacts with rage and violence. Joyce is not going to take this lieing down, she’s going to try and save Becky, either herself or through others more capable. Ross status as a known and trusted authority figure who was also wielding a weapon broke her brain, taking Becky snapped her back to reality. Shit’s going to go down.
That is very true. While her PTSD reaction is very much freeze, her traumatic response seems to be fight and she’s consistently responded to horrible things in the moment with intense rage.
I won’t be surprised if this is the cataclysm of Joyce’s fundamentalist upbringing. This may actually be the point in her life where she questions her religion, the people who follow it, and so much more.
Shit, I did that as far back as high school, and I still keep some of its ideals in me as atheistic as I remain. Hopefully Willis isn’t going to smear religion in its entirety, but maybe this opens Joyce’s eyes up just enough to see not everything godly is candy and ice cream.
Either that or calling upon his “divine” favor to smite her oppressors, well, her best friend’s oppressor.
HumboldtRobin
Neither. She hasn’t even committed a sin. Damn it isn’t a religious trespass it’s just a social rule that she has violated.
While it is a landmark, lets not go overboard with attaching inappropriate subcontext.
Mindlink
In contrast to most other words you American consider “swearing”, “damn” IS actually a swear, as it means to call upon God to smite whatever you “damn”. But then again, in this situation, she probably MEANS it, which removes it from the swearing list again. A “true” swear is either blasphemous, or invokes a god/demons name or calling in vain. So “fuck” is not a swear word, but “Bedevilled” IS.
fogel
“Swear” vs “obsenity” ?
Meyers
Yah that’s the one.
Ella
Which means even more for someone as heavily religious as Joyce
I remember the first time I said “damn it” in earshot of my mother. I was maybe ten or eleven and had been taking out the trash; I slipped on some ice and fell and uttered the curse, not knowing she was close enough to hear me. After the obligatory mouth-washed-out-with-soap routine, I was parked in a chair and it was explained to me just why what I had said was so horrible; to wit, what ‘damning’ someone or something actually meant. From there the lesson expanded to show why “God damn it” was even worse — you were calling upon the Deity to punish this person or thing — and “God damn it to hell!” was quite literally off the scale entirely.
As for words like “fuck”, “shit”, and the rest of the more earthy euphemisms for bodily parts and functions, they weren’t necessarily “cursing” or “swear words”, but they were “vulgar”. I was constantly reminded that I had been raised better than to use words like those.
Betty Anne
Incidents like that, while true from a technical perspective (your mother was right about the meaning of the swear), begs the question: is it so terrible to damn a puddle of ice to Hell? Or to ask God to do it? And if so, would it stay there? Does it go to the lowest level of Dante’s Hell, where all feelings die in a frozen lake? Or does it go to a higher level, melt, and escape?
This is why such discussions rarely go over well with me. .___. No one ever wants to discuss the intricacies of sending ice to Hell. 🙁
Betty Anne
And yes, “raises the question,” not “begs the question.” This forum doesn’t let me edit out habits from 35 years of hick American upbringing. :p
CoachMcGuirk
The trouble is invoking God’s name “in vain,” that is, “in vanity,” or for selfish or petty reasons. Slipping on ice and wanting it to go to Hell is a really petty reason to call upon the Creator of Everything. So the problem isn’t what happens to the ice. God wouldn’t grant such a petty request anyway.
Although the Biblical Hell is just “a lake of fire.” Dante is basically an elaborate fanfiction. So the ice would steam pretty quick, I think.
thejeff
While obviously nicer, isn’t it just as vain, petty or selfish to demand that God bless someone or something?
If that’s the reason, shouldn’t it work both ways?
Are all those nice little old ladies saying God bless you all the time, really taking God’s name in vain?
Why ask? It’s literally the work of 30 to 50 seconds to do that yourself using The GIMP (ok a couple caveats: 1. it took me 15 seconds, but I’m making allowances if you’re not familiar with the software in question and 2. I’m not allowing for the time to download the software in question). It’d be something else if you were asking Willis for a wallpaper scale version of that final panel.
601 thoughts on “Language”
Nightsbridge
Really though, it’s amazing how much hope I get from looking at just this strip, even though no real progress is made to fixing the problem. I expected her to break down completely. Instead, I’m seeing a defiance that makes me think she’s actually regaining her footing. Break those personal barriers, Joyce. Save your best friend.
Nightsbridge
“We need to go here RIGHT NOW.”
‘Ah told ya’, I ain’t gonna be no regular chauffe—“
“Becky’s in trouble, GIVE ME THE FUCKING HELMET!”
‘. . . Ah told ya that too, didn’t ah . . . ’
Icalasari
If Joyce swore, I’m sure that Sal would immediately pull her onto the bike and start driving immediately and use her awesomeness to instantly know where to go
The Chosen One
And Amazi-girl pulls up next to her on the amazi-cycle with dina in the sidecar in full predator gear (the dinosaur kind, natch+obv, but the other kind is an amusing image at least) and they all mutually sorta nod at each other and accelerate towards the horizon.
Fade to black, cut to danny doing danny things, probably wondering where everyone went
Jason
No. No no no.
All of you guys are making 2 serious mistakes.
1. You all are disregarding the hero here. Becky. Becky basically saved the day. She instantly defused an explosive situation that was about to go FUBAR, and if her dad is not lying, it ended without anyone getting hurt physically. Becky is the hero here, who saved the day. Saying that Becky is the helpless damsel in distress who needs rescuing from others is not recognizing Becky’s sacrifice and heroism and level thinking.
2. This was a TACTICAL RETREAT not a SURRENDER. There’s actually no way for Becky’s dad to “win” in this situation. He won’t be allowed to brainwash attempt Becky, he won’t even be allowed to retain custody. In fact, when Becky gets him to lay down his gun, you can see that he’s starting to deflate, and Becky is in fact gaining leverage and control over HIM instead. His expression as he drives away shows he realizes he messed up. At this point, Becky might even convince himself to turn himself in, at the rate she is taking control of the situation.
Seriously. Reread the last few panels. Becky is NOT “I surrender, I will do whatever you want now!”… Becky is “OK, I’ll get in the car, and YOU will do these things, and this is how it’s gonna go… am I right?” And Becky’s dad stutters back “Y-yes”.
-JAD-
I agree with the way you see Becky, her dad, and the balance of power in the last strip, he does look weak and sad. Considering that (I choose to believe that) he didn’t shot Dina or anyone, I feel sorry for him now.
About the title of this strip… is this the first one NOT coming from the dialogue in the actual strip itself? Just curious, I usually look back at the title after reading the strip and it’s always been there, maybe in sign language but still there – unless I missed some.
Also, damn it, Willis… and thanks. Like Nightsbridge, I do see that strength in Joyce that give me hope, or some other warm feeling inside.
Znayx
No, there’s a handful of strips with titles that don’t directly originate from the dialogue, perhaps a dozen.
But that’s not the important thing here. This strip has power, like… did you feel that chill run through you? Fuck yeah you did.
Tenn
Motorcycle chase: Yes please right now.
Anderhail
Yessss….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0
stevecharb
That seems like the right narrative decision.
But in real life, kids, call the cops. Ross just committed like ten felonies, including kidnapping, enough to put him in prison for decades.
Regalli
Yeah, before I was thinking ‘welp, she’s out of commission’, but now? DAMN, Joyce. Go save your best friend.
Regalli
(And since I realized my tone was vague: this is an impressed ‘DAMN, you go Joyce, I love you.’ She’s probably going to do something impulsive and dangerous, but still I am so proud of her for being able to go from shock to righteous fury right here.)
Osaru Sensei
Heav’n has no rage like love to hatred turn’d
Nor Hell a fury, like a woman scorn’d.
timemonkey
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: when Joyce snaps she reacts with rage and violence. Joyce is not going to take this lieing down, she’s going to try and save Becky, either herself or through others more capable. Ross status as a known and trusted authority figure who was also wielding a weapon broke her brain, taking Becky snapped her back to reality. Shit’s going to go down.
Cerberus
That is very true. While her PTSD reaction is very much freeze, her traumatic response seems to be fight and she’s consistently responded to horrible things in the moment with intense rage.
Lamia
This.
Porthos9438
And this isn’t even her final form!
Athos
May I just say that I thoroughly appreciate your gravatar.
Clayton
I won’t be surprised if this is the cataclysm of Joyce’s fundamentalist upbringing. This may actually be the point in her life where she questions her religion, the people who follow it, and so much more.
Shit, I did that as far back as high school, and I still keep some of its ideals in me as atheistic as I remain. Hopefully Willis isn’t going to smear religion in its entirety, but maybe this opens Joyce’s eyes up just enough to see not everything godly is candy and ice cream.
Cerberus
This’ll probably put a dent in her automatic deference to authority at the least.
Bicycle Bill
“….maybe this opens Joyce’s eyes up just enough to see not everything godly is candy and ice cream.”
———————
Agreed, Clayton, and very well put.
Nena
Go Joyce!
Kriven
She don’t wear those DBZ boots for nothin’.
Meyers
This should have been a friday comic lol
Ana Chronistic
fixed that for you
Inkblot
It would be funny if it weren’t so true
(it’s actually still funny though)
[good job]
merbrat
Ditto! [great with avatar, too]
liahansen
turning her back on her god once and for all
Sithknighttgalen
Either that or calling upon his “divine” favor to smite her oppressors, well, her best friend’s oppressor.
HumboldtRobin
Neither. She hasn’t even committed a sin. Damn it isn’t a religious trespass it’s just a social rule that she has violated.
While it is a landmark, lets not go overboard with attaching inappropriate subcontext.
Mindlink
In contrast to most other words you American consider “swearing”, “damn” IS actually a swear, as it means to call upon God to smite whatever you “damn”. But then again, in this situation, she probably MEANS it, which removes it from the swearing list again. A “true” swear is either blasphemous, or invokes a god/demons name or calling in vain. So “fuck” is not a swear word, but “Bedevilled” IS.
fogel
“Swear” vs “obsenity” ?
Meyers
Yah that’s the one.
Ella
Which means even more for someone as heavily religious as Joyce
fogel
Wouldn’t that be “Willis damn it!” ?
HumboldtRobin
Mr Willis, could we please get your input here?
Bicycle Bill
I remember the first time I said “damn it” in earshot of my mother. I was maybe ten or eleven and had been taking out the trash; I slipped on some ice and fell and uttered the curse, not knowing she was close enough to hear me. After the obligatory mouth-washed-out-with-soap routine, I was parked in a chair and it was explained to me just why what I had said was so horrible; to wit, what ‘damning’ someone or something actually meant. From there the lesson expanded to show why “God damn it” was even worse — you were calling upon the Deity to punish this person or thing — and “God damn it to hell!” was quite literally off the scale entirely.
As for words like “fuck”, “shit”, and the rest of the more earthy euphemisms for bodily parts and functions, they weren’t necessarily “cursing” or “swear words”, but they were “vulgar”. I was constantly reminded that I had been raised better than to use words like those.
Betty Anne
Incidents like that, while true from a technical perspective (your mother was right about the meaning of the swear), begs the question: is it so terrible to damn a puddle of ice to Hell? Or to ask God to do it? And if so, would it stay there? Does it go to the lowest level of Dante’s Hell, where all feelings die in a frozen lake? Or does it go to a higher level, melt, and escape?
This is why such discussions rarely go over well with me. .___. No one ever wants to discuss the intricacies of sending ice to Hell. 🙁
Betty Anne
And yes, “raises the question,” not “begs the question.” This forum doesn’t let me edit out habits from 35 years of hick American upbringing. :p
CoachMcGuirk
The trouble is invoking God’s name “in vain,” that is, “in vanity,” or for selfish or petty reasons. Slipping on ice and wanting it to go to Hell is a really petty reason to call upon the Creator of Everything. So the problem isn’t what happens to the ice. God wouldn’t grant such a petty request anyway.
Although the Biblical Hell is just “a lake of fire.” Dante is basically an elaborate fanfiction. So the ice would steam pretty quick, I think.
thejeff
While obviously nicer, isn’t it just as vain, petty or selfish to demand that God bless someone or something?
If that’s the reason, shouldn’t it work both ways?
Are all those nice little old ladies saying God bless you all the time, really taking God’s name in vain?
Ana Chronistic
I had actually looked this up prior to my post
HumboldtRobin
The schism over just that question led to the creation of several new sects of Protestant Christianity.
Lamia
This raises an interesting point about HOW angry Joyce is, given her Christian roots.
gkheyf
thank you. now joyce’s emotions are productively focused
Doctor_Who
I know the ground is tiled, but I love the idea that she’s yelling with such force that it shattered the earth beneath her feet.
m2iCodeJockey
That “damn it” was strong enough to emit kirby crackle…
merbrat
+1
Resident SnipeFish
JOYCE SMASH
Matthew Chapdelaine
I don’t comment on here often, but I’m beginning to sense that the phrase: “Damn you Willis” is a term of endearment and not one of hate.
Nightsbridge
It’s a complicated relationship.
barefootbiker
Hey, everyone, he’s catching on. Quick, hide all the other catchphrases somewhere where he won’t be able to find and interpret them!
The Other Mike
Or to put it another way, “Hide the femurs and faces! Stuff ’em in here with your mom!”
fogel
And that bag of nickels
fizzywafflezsuperstore
I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of “Willis, you magnificent bastard”
(Or am I mistaken? (I may be))
timemonkey
He wouldn’t be damned if people didn’t get so invested in what he writes. It’s a compliment so long as people don’t cross the line with it.
Hijean
Or use it as an automatic response to everything. That’s what FAAAAAACE is for.
Sadie
This is so beautiful. Bravissima!
DarkoNeko
…Well played.
DarkoNeko
We are soooo going to reuse that. A lot. in the oncoming months.
de Combys
Hé, je viens de réaliser que t’es francophone. Salut!
-Sentinel-
Moi aussi! 😀
DarkoNeko
🙂
chantecler
Moi aussi!
de Combys
Enchanté! T’as un nom de gâteau, tu sais?
Boojum
You win everything.
saltchocolate
+ everything else
fizzywafflezsuperstore
I’ll have fifty, please.
Strangeshapes
Can we get this as a wallpaper?
vlademir1
Why ask? It’s literally the work of 30 to 50 seconds to do that yourself using The GIMP (ok a couple caveats: 1. it took me 15 seconds, but I’m making allowances if you’re not familiar with the software in question and 2. I’m not allowing for the time to download the software in question). It’d be something else if you were asking Willis for a wallpaper scale version of that final panel.
airyu
I was gonna say, I’m p sure they’re asking for a hq wallpaper of the last panel
HumboldtRobin
Because the picture is Willis’s intellectual property….