Yeaaaah, the later seasons all either just suck in the boring way or in the “Are you TRYING to get that cancelled?” way. Example: The one where the Flying Dutchman moves in.
It’s like spongebob was like ” hey, kids’ll love us no matter what kind of shit we put out, so let’s stop being creative, original, or memorable, and delegte ourselves to jingling keys in front of your dumb kids’ faces”
And then Nick has to play it for at least six hours a day, every day, on both its main channels (Nickelodeon and NickToons, which theoretically could be used to show, y’know, classic ones like Chalk Zone or Rugrats or Rocco, but has to be convinced to play INVADER ZIM over the endless marathons of that porous yellow menace).
They said that Nick has to be convinced to play Invader Zim (which is clearly superior) instead of playing Spongebob, so the very idea of trying to get them to play old classics that are less well-known/loved in this day and age is entirely impossible.
Random Guy
I miss Doug…
AY
ooh, ooh, there’s a Nick At Nite channel and they show Doug!!
I saw it at my mom’s one night, I was super excited.
After Doug, All That was on, then Kenan and Kel 8D
Anonymous
The 90s Are All That should be its own channel, like Boomerang. Sure it doesn’t have the 50 year Hanna-Barbera back catalog to pull from, but they had enough new original programming to run 18 hours a day before going into Andy Griffith Show and Gilligan’s Island reruns, surely they can do it now.
Can’t get enough Rocko, Angry Beavers, Doug, and Hey Arnold! The only show I can’t sit through anymore is Rocket Power, thanks to its totally dudeical script padding.
Regalli
Exactly. Thanks for clearing that up. The problem’s not with Zim, it’s that Nick management seems to have some aversion to showing it.
Then again, when you kill a show because it’s too popular among teenagers instead of the target audience, there may be a problem with your network’s management.
cvcharger14
Yeah, because nothing makes better sense than killing
a show that has more fans than just those in the
intended group. I mean shoot if the show has fans,
and enough episodes to cycle through, people will still
watch it, but I guess cartoon writers need jobs too.
Kaixa
Nicktoons doesn’t really air a lot of Spongebob. Mostly it airs it’s action cartoons and Power Rangers. It also they used to air a ton of ZIM. Almost non stop over at Nicktoons. Though honestly I’m happier when they air Ninja Storm and Voltron Force. Because Voltron Force is seriously amazing.
Reiku
actually Nickelodeon shows a fraction of the cartoons it use to, just like Disney and CartoonNet- sorry, I mean the CN. It’s half live action now
Andiemus
Oh fuck that noise.
Aaron
Hey! Common Fracking courtesy, fellow forum poster, when delving into a conversation about DogDarn childrens’ cartoons, PLEASE! Watch your schtupping language. Spank you very much.
I remember hearing somewhere that the creators of Spongebob wanted to stop making new ones after the Spongebob movie, but Nick wouldn’t let them go because it was making them so much money, hence the new, sucky ones.
I thought the movie was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. And it just went downhill from that too.
Jacob
I have a general rule of thumb: If a series is coming out with a movie, and didn’t begin from a movie, that series is essentially over and the people involved know it, so they’re milking it for whatever they can before it tanks.
Note I said general, meaning that there are a few exceptions.
Yes, but you would never know it, because I don’t think any episode of Spongebob ever passes the Bechdel test. For individual episodes, it usually fails at the ‘two named female characters’ level. So Sandy doesn’t get much of a chance to pursue other female characters.
(Sandy isn’t actually gay, for those who struggle with internet sarcasm. Probably not, anyway.)
That would be me. I totally believed you there. -_- And now that I think about it, are there even two named FEMALE characters in that show IN TOTAL? (other than in the background)
Or those twins from Utawarerumono. Now those two are traps! You’d never know what they are either way if no one told you. You even see a picture of them sleeping with one of the male main characters at one point to make it so you can’t even suspect it. (Since it is a eroge game with lots of girl on guy sex.)
You also forget that until they had the operation, often the only real difference between a transsexual and transvestite is why they are crossdressing.
L
“You also forget that until they had the operation, often the only real difference between a transsexual and transvestite is why they are crossdressing.”
Gender identity is a pretty vast difference, much more of one than surgical status. (And not every transperson can, or even wants to, get sex reassignment surgery. How people feel about their gender is the important thing, not how well their bodies match some idea about how the bodies of people of some gender “should look.”)
There isn’t an actual way to even tell…aside from the person being attracted to the same sex. Some people are even asexual so lack of interest in the opposite sex wouldn’t mean anything either.
No see, cause if you’re Asexual it really just means you’re gay. You have to be intensely interested in the opposite sex to not be gay. Otherwise you’re gay.
TheBenenator
No. Just no.
Kunabi
Not sure if serious, or mike
Slendertroll
Well, there’s something to be said for using “gay” as a blanket term, since “queer” has bad connotations for some people, but in this context, “gay” clearly means “homosexual” and not “GLBTQ+”.
tncota
For the record, pretty sure Rusty’s being sarcastic about how hyper-heterosexual society is.
There’s a lot of pressure to constantly express interest in the opposite sex, which hurts GLBTQ, ace, demi, and heck, even het people with relatively smaller libido.
Add to that a limited public knowledge in human sexuality (not aggressively straight? You must be gay, then!), and it’s offensive to everyone involved.
Shade
Pretty sure you’re right and Rusty was being sarcastic.
I think it’s basic deduction. There are horndogs like Joe and the would-be-rapist who only want to be with Joyce to take advantage of her naivete. Then there are guys like Walky who are irritating, but otherwise harmless and aren’t motivated to hang out with her so they can hop in the sack. If Ethan isn’t trying to take advantage of a sleeping girl nor has he gotten on her nerves he must be gay or at least in a world where people’s characteristics are far more pronounced.
195 thoughts on “Manual”
Regalli
Yeaaaah, the later seasons all either just suck in the boring way or in the “Are you TRYING to get that cancelled?” way. Example: The one where the Flying Dutchman moves in.
Yotomoe
It’s like spongebob was like ” hey, kids’ll love us no matter what kind of shit we put out, so let’s stop being creative, original, or memorable, and delegte ourselves to jingling keys in front of your dumb kids’ faces”
Regalli
And then Nick has to play it for at least six hours a day, every day, on both its main channels (Nickelodeon and NickToons, which theoretically could be used to show, y’know, classic ones like Chalk Zone or Rugrats or Rocco, but has to be convinced to play INVADER ZIM over the endless marathons of that porous yellow menace).
TARDIS With A Hat
What’s wrong with Invader ZIM?
Rusty
Nothing, you misunderstood Regalli.
They said that Nick has to be convinced to play Invader Zim (which is clearly superior) instead of playing Spongebob, so the very idea of trying to get them to play old classics that are less well-known/loved in this day and age is entirely impossible.
Random Guy
I miss Doug…
AY
ooh, ooh, there’s a Nick At Nite channel and they show Doug!!
I saw it at my mom’s one night, I was super excited.
After Doug, All That was on, then Kenan and Kel 8D
Anonymous
The 90s Are All That should be its own channel, like Boomerang. Sure it doesn’t have the 50 year Hanna-Barbera back catalog to pull from, but they had enough new original programming to run 18 hours a day before going into Andy Griffith Show and Gilligan’s Island reruns, surely they can do it now.
Can’t get enough Rocko, Angry Beavers, Doug, and Hey Arnold! The only show I can’t sit through anymore is Rocket Power, thanks to its totally dudeical script padding.
Regalli
Exactly. Thanks for clearing that up. The problem’s not with Zim, it’s that Nick management seems to have some aversion to showing it.
Then again, when you kill a show because it’s too popular among teenagers instead of the target audience, there may be a problem with your network’s management.
cvcharger14
Yeah, because nothing makes better sense than killing
a show that has more fans than just those in the
intended group. I mean shoot if the show has fans,
and enough episodes to cycle through, people will still
watch it, but I guess cartoon writers need jobs too.
Kaixa
Nicktoons doesn’t really air a lot of Spongebob. Mostly it airs it’s action cartoons and Power Rangers. It also they used to air a ton of ZIM. Almost non stop over at Nicktoons. Though honestly I’m happier when they air Ninja Storm and Voltron Force. Because Voltron Force is seriously amazing.
Reiku
actually Nickelodeon shows a fraction of the cartoons it use to, just like Disney and CartoonNet- sorry, I mean the CN. It’s half live action now
Andiemus
Oh fuck that noise.
Aaron
Hey! Common Fracking courtesy, fellow forum poster, when delving into a conversation about DogDarn childrens’ cartoons, PLEASE! Watch your schtupping language. Spank you very much.
la6ue mous snow angel
You are one bad-ass hydrofracker.
la6ue mous snow angel
Sorry, I mean bad-butt hydrofracker.
Rogue of Space
And yet, The Modifyers never made it to even being aired once? This society, man. This society.
Somebody
I disagree, it was kind of funny even then. It just wasn’t as good and kind of turned into a Sadist Show.
AliaPie
I remember hearing somewhere that the creators of Spongebob wanted to stop making new ones after the Spongebob movie, but Nick wouldn’t let them go because it was making them so much money, hence the new, sucky ones.
What?
I think the wikipedia page says that after the movie the series actually came under new management, so maybe it’s just the new guys’ faults.
Yotomoe
Like what happened to cartoonnetwork as a whole?
NobleRot
Man, Young Justice and Thundercats are good. Like diamonds in the rough.
Gneiss
I thought the movie was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. And it just went downhill from that too.
Jacob
I have a general rule of thumb: If a series is coming out with a movie, and didn’t begin from a movie, that series is essentially over and the people involved know it, so they’re milking it for whatever they can before it tanks.
Note I said general, meaning that there are a few exceptions.
Mkvenner
Does Joyce even have gaydar?
Wonder Wig
She probably doesn’t. That’s why she’s so confident in her Sandy and Spongebob shipping.
Lieutenant Dan
Wait– Sandy is gay?!
Zababcd
Yes, but you would never know it, because I don’t think any episode of Spongebob ever passes the Bechdel test. For individual episodes, it usually fails at the ‘two named female characters’ level. So Sandy doesn’t get much of a chance to pursue other female characters.
(Sandy isn’t actually gay, for those who struggle with internet sarcasm. Probably not, anyway.)
Crazy Dina
That would be me. I totally believed you there. -_- And now that I think about it, are there even two named FEMALE characters in that show IN TOTAL? (other than in the background)
Yarrun
Three. Sandy, Pearl and Ms. Puff.
Plasma Mongoose
She haven’t installed that app yet.
Mkvenner
They don’t make an app for that. You have to make it on your own.
Plasma Mongoose
But I suck at programming, I’ll just download it from a trusted free site.
Yotomoe
Stay away from Gaydar X Pro. It’s a scam.
Plasma Mongoose
I recommend G-dar, it has both gaydar and gendar, perfect for spotting traps.
Tucker
It’s a tarp.
John
…traps? Please tell me you’re not calling transsexual people traps.
Bren
Umm, yeah, that’s kinda immensely horrible. Don’t do that.
HeatPhoenix
There’s a difference between transsexual and a crossdresser.
Yotomoe
although they can overlap.
Rex Hondo
I assumed he was referring to cross-dressers.
Kaixa
Yeah traps are always crossdressers. Always.
Like Bridget from Guilty Gear. He’s a trap.
Or those twins from Utawarerumono. Now those two are traps! You’d never know what they are either way if no one told you. You even see a picture of them sleeping with one of the male main characters at one point to make it so you can’t even suspect it. (Since it is a eroge game with lots of girl on guy sex.)
Plasma Mongoose
You also forget that until they had the operation, often the only real difference between a transsexual and transvestite is why they are crossdressing.
L
“You also forget that until they had the operation, often the only real difference between a transsexual and transvestite is why they are crossdressing.”
Gender identity is a pretty vast difference, much more of one than surgical status. (And not every transperson can, or even wants to, get sex reassignment surgery. How people feel about their gender is the important thing, not how well their bodies match some idea about how the bodies of people of some gender “should look.”)
Plasma Mongoose
Hence the WHY they are doing it and gender identity is a pretty big why wouldn’t you say?
Darkflame
You dont need to code, make it on this:
http://explore.appinventor.mit.edu/
(really easy flowchart system for making apps)
Just hock the “Gayon” partial detector most phones have up to a alarm
Somebody
There isn’t an actual way to even tell…aside from the person being attracted to the same sex. Some people are even asexual so lack of interest in the opposite sex wouldn’t mean anything either.
Rusty
No see, cause if you’re Asexual it really just means you’re gay. You have to be intensely interested in the opposite sex to not be gay. Otherwise you’re gay.
TheBenenator
No. Just no.
Kunabi
Not sure if serious, or mike
Slendertroll
Well, there’s something to be said for using “gay” as a blanket term, since “queer” has bad connotations for some people, but in this context, “gay” clearly means “homosexual” and not “GLBTQ+”.
tncota
For the record, pretty sure Rusty’s being sarcastic about how hyper-heterosexual society is.
There’s a lot of pressure to constantly express interest in the opposite sex, which hurts GLBTQ, ace, demi, and heck, even het people with relatively smaller libido.
Add to that a limited public knowledge in human sexuality (not aggressively straight? You must be gay, then!), and it’s offensive to everyone involved.
Shade
Pretty sure you’re right and Rusty was being sarcastic.
Lucca
What does the “Q” stand for in GLBTQ?
slicedtoad
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GLBTQ
Andiemus
And then there’s demisexual….
LiC
I’m going to guess that Joyce has never met an openly gay male before in her life.
Globen
…just the later seasons?
Plasma Mongoose
Does everyone but Joyce have super gaydar or does Ethan just naturally emit massive amounts of gayiation?
Kaj
I’m wondering what kind of tumors gayiation would cause…
Twisted Two-face
Definite swelling.
TacosForever
Heh. Swelling.
dusk
Of his peni *shot*
Plasma Mongoose
I don’t know about tumors but when naked butts rears their cheeky heads, it can cause sudden ‘growths’ to appear. 😀
Rex Hondo
Fabulous tumors!
Roborat
Faaabulous ones, of course
Wack'd
It’s an extension of the other verse’s gag, where everyone instantly gets that Ethan’s gay unless it would be really convenient for them to.
Brasca1
I think it’s basic deduction. There are horndogs like Joe and the would-be-rapist who only want to be with Joyce to take advantage of her naivete. Then there are guys like Walky who are irritating, but otherwise harmless and aren’t motivated to hang out with her so they can hop in the sack. If Ethan isn’t trying to take advantage of a sleeping girl nor has he gotten on her nerves he must be gay or at least in a world where people’s characteristics are far more pronounced.
Wack'd
That…I mean…what?
What?
Ethan is gay because he’s not irritating?
Scoops!
No, I think that reads as he’s gay because he hasn’t tried to parlay Joyce’s non-annoyance into sexcy times.
Slendertroll
All the straight boys I know are irritating.
Slendertroll
None of them will sleep with me!
Shade
Me either, damn them! They’re all like “Dude, I’m straight.”
Plasma Mongoose