Better 2011 than the 22BC I threw out at someone the other day. ??♂️
drs
Art shock.
Stifyn Baker
I just followed that link, and skimmed through the comments.
Oh, how I miss those naive, innocent days, when gender politics was all, “[Movie] is sexist,” not, “Which f*****g bathroom are people using?”
Lena
I’m pretty sure that was a thing people were angry about in 2011 too. It was just less mainstream
thejeff
I sure some were, but back then we were focused on marriage rights.
Lena
People can be focused on more than one issue at a time (and also be angrily prejudiced about more than one thing at a time). Kind of a weird perspective to say people were too busy thinking about gay marriage to be prejudiced against trans people.
thejeff
And yet true. People were obviously still prejudiced against trans people – probably more so on a broad level, but they were also just less aware of them.
We lacked the organized campaigns demonizing them for political advantage. That was still focused on gay marriage. When that finally happened and seemed to have broad support, the same people looked around for another target in the culture wars and found trans people.
Will Willis have to have media vanish from old backgrounds made in 2011 because the format is obsoleted, like a reverse Back to the Future?
Needfuldoer
DVD and Blu-Ray cases are roughly the same shape, and DoA isn’t old enough for the characters to have started with VHS collections, so it should be fine.
Of course these days they’re more likely to not have any physical media at all, because the powers that be would prefer if we subscribe to everything for a “low” monthly fee (or ten) for the rest of our lives…
thejeff
For the vast majority of movies/shows, I vastly prefer the subscription model or even the old video rental model.
There are only a handful of movies I’d want to watch often enough for buying to make more sense.
Willis giveth: There already was a DofA years ago about some “returning your stuff” drama and a video disc set, but the response was “I don’t care, it’s on Netflix anyway”. Maybe Amber and Ethan?
No? I don’t think. But after a couple of days (often just one), people usually ‘settle in’ to a spot and tend not to change their seat for a given class.
most shouldn’t but it’d be a habit for ppl to sit in the same place. though it’d draw more attention to them if jennifer moved further away assuming there was no other free seats
Of course, Billie/Jennifer being the last into the room, she got the seat that was left. It’s no one else’s fault they picked the same seat they had last time.
Although, I could see Carla choosing between two seats, and deliberately picking the one that would FORCE those two to sit together. I hvae no evidence that she did this, however.
Right. I don’t think we know whose any of the other choices are, at least not for sure, but that one’s well-established. Presumably none of the others listed here are Becky’s, since she isn’t tagged, and we already know Jennifer’s is Attack of the Clones entirely because it has “54 seconds featuring Kit Fisto.” (I’m also assuming none of the ones listed are Ruth’s, entirely because she and Jennifer both seem to be avoiding making any kind of noise here.)
Like, I get that we need to consider films in the context of their era, to avoid demonizing a film based on modern sensibilities and concepts…
…but on the other, no, fuck a film that puts a white guy in brownface and gives him a cartoonish Indian accent. I think we knew that shit was wrong in the late 80’s!
Okay, here’s my Embarassing Confession for the day.
I was 12 when Short Circuit 2 came out. I had seen the original on TV, but beyond that I had literally no idea who Fisher Stevens was. (I still don’t, really. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen him in anything else.)
I spent literally years thinking how cool it was that a subcontinent actor was the main non-robot character.
Laura
I’ve read that before — apparently it was a common reaction.
Everything Everywhere All At Once is one of those movies that everyone keeps telling me is really really good and that I should see but I just can’t bring myself to get around to.
Oh hey, I can mark that response of my “I haven’t gotten around to it” bingo card! All I need is “trust me, it gets good after…” and I win a copy of Elden Ring! (Not a free one; I’d still have to buy it, but I’ve looking for a reason to play it.)
I’ll commit heresy here and say that while it is a good movie, it didn’t work well for me because it was stuck in an uncanny valley of plausibility. It had too much weird and silly stuff apparently for the sake of being weird and silly, but also a lot of semi-sorta-hard alternate timeline stuff, and they didn’t mix well IMO.
I like Rogue One, but it’s a real mess of a film. The characters are great, and the third act is legitimately one of the best third acts in all of Star Wars, right up there with A New Hope even.
But the message and themes are just muddled as hell. Its just a real struggle to work through for the first two thirds of the film, because it feels like the movie has no idea what its really wanting to be about until then, and its just bouncing around between ideas.
It’s extremely Tony Gilroy. Andor has been underlining his fascination with the ways power can be expressed within political machinery; re-watching Rogue One just recently, I couldn’t shake the thought that I was watching Bourne action over the top of power structures that would be right at home in Michael Clayton.
Funny to me the characters are the weakest part. Their motivation switches seemed nonsensical, one guy just decide to die for no reason… It reminded me of Prometheus in that way.
Add to that a few other reasons why the movie wasn’t enjoyable (action scenes in the first half, missed opportunity with the Vader scene, the dad joke…) and I really couldn’t get into it. At the time of release it was my second least favourite SW movie after Episode II.
I have to admit that there are great stuff in the third act though but not enough for me. I was quite baffled by the popularity of this movie but eh, people like what they like.
I’ve seen Rogue One and Hidden Figures, though Everything Everywhere All At Once is high up on my to-watch list. I didn’t get around to it while it was in theaters because I was in my final semester of college and shit was hectic.
Neither was I, until I made the grievous mistake if saying I hadn’t watched some of them in front of the wrong people. Apparently people get really intense about their favorite fiction.
wwwhhattt
I haven’t seen any of them. Am very glad my friends have finally got used to the amount of films I just don’t watch
199 thoughts on “Metric”
Ana Chronistic
Comic Book Time means everyone already knows about the Bechdel test now, even the 18yos, so Leslie needs some new schtick
Sporky
When she brings it up, someone can say “We know already! What is this, [the year original comic was published]?”
Sporky
it was 2011 btw https://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/04-the-bechdel-test/thehangover/
Decidedly Orthogonal
Better 2011 than the 22BC I threw out at someone the other day. ??♂️
drs
Art shock.
Stifyn Baker
I just followed that link, and skimmed through the comments.
Oh, how I miss those naive, innocent days, when gender politics was all, “[Movie] is sexist,” not, “Which f*****g bathroom are people using?”
Lena
I’m pretty sure that was a thing people were angry about in 2011 too. It was just less mainstream
thejeff
I sure some were, but back then we were focused on marriage rights.
Lena
People can be focused on more than one issue at a time (and also be angrily prejudiced about more than one thing at a time). Kind of a weird perspective to say people were too busy thinking about gay marriage to be prejudiced against trans people.
thejeff
And yet true. People were obviously still prejudiced against trans people – probably more so on a broad level, but they were also just less aware of them.
We lacked the organized campaigns demonizing them for political advantage. That was still focused on gay marriage. When that finally happened and seemed to have broad support, the same people looked around for another target in the culture wars and found trans people.
Huehuetotl
Because of comic book time, “Everything Everywhere All at Once” came out since Leslie assigned them to rewatch a favorite movie, “last week”.
brionl
Theatrical release AND to video/BluRay.
ValdVin
Will Willis have to have media vanish from old backgrounds made in 2011 because the format is obsoleted, like a reverse Back to the Future?
Needfuldoer
DVD and Blu-Ray cases are roughly the same shape, and DoA isn’t old enough for the characters to have started with VHS collections, so it should be fine.
Of course these days they’re more likely to not have any physical media at all, because the powers that be would prefer if we subscribe to everything for a “low” monthly fee (or ten) for the rest of our lives…
thejeff
For the vast majority of movies/shows, I vastly prefer the subscription model or even the old video rental model.
There are only a handful of movies I’d want to watch often enough for buying to make more sense.
ValdVin
Willis giveth: There already was a DofA years ago about some “returning your stuff” drama and a video disc set, but the response was “I don’t care, it’s on Netflix anyway”. Maybe Amber and Ethan?
ValdVin
I’m waiting for one of the audiophiles, maybe in the music dept, to go old school.
Not to vinyl, but Edison Amberol wax cylinders.
Reltzik
Lots of people saw it more than once in theater. That counts as rewatching.
thejeff
I mean, even without Comic Book Time, the original Bechdel Test comic came out in 1985. Is it really that much more well known now than a decade ago?
Ana Chronistic
It’s much more prevalent, and more things are being made with it in mind now
Marisa Mockery
Tbf I still have no idea what it is lol
Clif
It’s where you rate a movie based on how many steps there are between you and Fred Bechdel.
Daibhid C
Leslie explains it here.
Daibhid C
Sorry, messed up the link somehow. Here:
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/04-the-bechdel-test/indicator/
Clif
Leslie is a pretty good teacher but she never mentioned Fred Bechdel (formerly Frédéric Bechdel) at all.
darkoneko
did they have pre-assigned seats ? I forgot
Decidedly Orthogonal
No? I don’t think. But after a couple of days (often just one), people usually ‘settle in’ to a spot and tend not to change their seat for a given class.
thejeff
Unless there’s strong reason to, like sitting next to your ex.
And why was she sitting there in the first place. They haven’t been on good terms since the semester started.
anon
most shouldn’t but it’d be a habit for ppl to sit in the same place. though it’d draw more attention to them if jennifer moved further away assuming there was no other free seats
Needfuldoer
And from a Doylist perspective, it’s funnier if their seats are next to each other so they can share panels.
SeanR
Of course, Billie/Jennifer being the last into the room, she got the seat that was left. It’s no one else’s fault they picked the same seat they had last time.
Although, I could see Carla choosing between two seats, and deliberately picking the one that would FORCE those two to sit together. I hvae no evidence that she did this, however.
Proto_Eevee
Short circuit 1 is wau better
Doctor_Who
Counterpoint: 2 has Bonnie Tyler. 1 has El DeBarge.
The winner is clear.
Doctor_Who
Huh, I actually like all of those movies. Some good taste in that class.
Mark
Wow, I thought I was the only person who ever saw Birds of Prey.
Decidedly Orthogonal
You aren’t alone.
80-watt Hamster
Saw and liked. In large part because of Black Canary.
Kravis
The Whitest Movie Ever, La La Land!
DailyBrad
Short Circuit 2 is Carla, right?
RassilonTDavros
Right. I don’t think we know whose any of the other choices are, at least not for sure, but that one’s well-established. Presumably none of the others listed here are Becky’s, since she isn’t tagged, and we already know Jennifer’s is Attack of the Clones entirely because it has “54 seconds featuring Kit Fisto.” (I’m also assuming none of the ones listed are Ruth’s, entirely because she and Jennifer both seem to be avoiding making any kind of noise here.)
Blackdrazon
It’s Willis, answering the question from beyond the fourth wall.
Wraithy2773
I’d hope so, because that film has not aged well.
Like, I get that we need to consider films in the context of their era, to avoid demonizing a film based on modern sensibilities and concepts…
…but on the other, no, fuck a film that puts a white guy in brownface and gives him a cartoonish Indian accent. I think we knew that shit was wrong in the late 80’s!
Daibhid C
Okay, here’s my Embarassing Confession for the day.
I was 12 when Short Circuit 2 came out. I had seen the original on TV, but beyond that I had literally no idea who Fisher Stevens was. (I still don’t, really. I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen him in anything else.)
I spent literally years thinking how cool it was that a subcontinent actor was the main non-robot character.
Laura
I’ve read that before — apparently it was a common reaction.
thakoru
Everything Everywhere All At Once is one of those movies that everyone keeps telling me is really really good and that I should see but I just can’t bring myself to get around to.
Doctor_Who
If/when you do eventually see it, go in as blind as possible. It’s a unique one.
thakoru
Oh hey, I can mark that response of my “I haven’t gotten around to it” bingo card! All I need is “trust me, it gets good after…” and I win a copy of Elden Ring! (Not a free one; I’d still have to buy it, but I’ve looking for a reason to play it.)
thakoru
*Off my, *I’ve been
I am sloppy today.
Azhrei Vep
If/when you do, enjoy! And don’t worry about spoilers or other such nonsense, it’s just as fun whether or not you know what’s coming.
Just like everything else.
Clif
I’ve always found “Everything ends. Entropy always wins in the end” to be a huge spoiler.
Taffy
If entropy always wins, how come Final Fantasy 14 didn’t shut down instead of releasing Patch 6.1? Checkmate, Meteion.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
I’ll commit heresy here and say that while it is a good movie, it didn’t work well for me because it was stuck in an uncanny valley of plausibility. It had too much weird and silly stuff apparently for the sake of being weird and silly, but also a lot of semi-sorta-hard alternate timeline stuff, and they didn’t mix well IMO.
Alex Boston
I liked Rogue One too.
Dara
I liked Rogue One three.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Red Five checking in.
SeanR
Man. Disney just can’t stay away from milking the Star Wars cow, can it. Already up to thirteen movies, on a spin-off?
zee
I really only care about getting more animated and clone centric content. Bad batch season 2 let’s goooo
Wraithy2773
I like Rogue One, but it’s a real mess of a film. The characters are great, and the third act is legitimately one of the best third acts in all of Star Wars, right up there with A New Hope even.
But the message and themes are just muddled as hell. Its just a real struggle to work through for the first two thirds of the film, because it feels like the movie has no idea what its really wanting to be about until then, and its just bouncing around between ideas.
butting
It’s extremely Tony Gilroy. Andor has been underlining his fascination with the ways power can be expressed within political machinery; re-watching Rogue One just recently, I couldn’t shake the thought that I was watching Bourne action over the top of power structures that would be right at home in Michael Clayton.
Arkayjiya
Funny to me the characters are the weakest part. Their motivation switches seemed nonsensical, one guy just decide to die for no reason… It reminded me of Prometheus in that way.
Add to that a few other reasons why the movie wasn’t enjoyable (action scenes in the first half, missed opportunity with the Vader scene, the dad joke…) and I really couldn’t get into it. At the time of release it was my second least favourite SW movie after Episode II.
I have to admit that there are great stuff in the third act though but not enough for me. I was quite baffled by the popularity of this movie but eh, people like what they like.
BBCC
Hey, she’s the teacher. She can be as arbitrary (or not) as she so chooses.
Taffy
I’ve only seen Rogue One and Captain Marvel, out of all of those. That probably has deep moral implications.
RassilonTDavros
I’ve seen Rogue One and Hidden Figures, though Everything Everywhere All At Once is high up on my to-watch list. I didn’t get around to it while it was in theaters because I was in my final semester of college and shit was hectic.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Damn, that means you just graduated yeah? That’s awesome! Congratulations!
not someone else
I’ve only seen Rogue One and Alien.
I doubt any of the characters we know are likely to have even seen my favorite movie, though: The Taking of Deborah Logan.
Username Taken
Ooh, good creepy pick with The Taking of Deborah Logan!
Keulen
I’ve seen those two movies, and Alien. I wasn’t aware that watching some sci-fi and superhero movies had any moral implications.
Taffy
Neither was I, until I made the grievous mistake if saying I hadn’t watched some of them in front of the wrong people. Apparently people get really intense about their favorite fiction.
wwwhhattt
I haven’t seen any of them. Am very glad my friends have finally got used to the amount of films I just don’t watch
Johan