Yes!! Missed you!
Also, this is amazing. It’s a complete 180 reversal of behaviour, but that’s exactly the break she’s been building toward for a while now. Whether good or bad will depend on how she processes this later…
A small tent like for cycling can be the size of a particularly comfy sleeping bag, without any of the comfort but probably more weatherproof.
Needfuldoer
You wouldn’t want to bring your good tent to a situation like this.
Steamweed
Nope. Not at all. Too likely to lose it.
Paul
Side note, but the UK police will totally confiscate a good tent used by a homeless family. Basically, it isn’t bad enough not having a permanent residence you’ll also be out of pocket for a new tent. I honestly don’t know if they got to keep their personal belongings.
RoyanRannedos
My wife and I went camping once with a group of neighbors. We drove a couple of hours from married student campus housing to the other side of the mountain valley, then pulled the duffel from the trunk of our car.
I unzipped the bag and saw green plastic fronds. It took a full ten seconds for my brain to process the fact that I’d packed our Christmas tree instead of our tent.
Azrael
Check the clearance aisle. I picked up a 3 person tent for $25 once. It’d probably disintegrate if left out more than a night or two, but it counts.
I dont want the inexperienced white woman who spontaneously hopped in a demonstration she was asked to leave, to escalate and cause problems for the actual protestors, actually.
I doubt Dorothy is actually capable of doing anything that could escalate this past the arrests the protesters have already been assured if they stick around. I need her to keep this energy when things are little less high stakes though.
tb
Crashing out and destoying things would certainly escalate things.
Clif
Actually, I’m pretty sure they’ve all been asked to leave.
ACAB
They obviously mean asked to leave by someone worth respecting lmao not the cops
Mike was killed because he didn’t fit the tone of the comic and Willis was struggling to find reasons to include him in scenes or evolve his character in any direction that another character didn’t already do well.
He wasn’t just popped at random because the narrative demands blood sacrifice.
Ike
I mean it felt like he was. Because right before he killed him, Willis started to develop him so that he would fit the comic better.
Purple Floof
Ike is 100% on the money with that – and even if that wasn’t the case, Mike was the Heel With a Heart of the story, and when Willis tried to replace him with Booster it flopped cuz Booster’s doesn’t even mean well.
Nymph
We can certainly just disagree on every point. I went looking for the actual explanation from Willis which I am paraphrasing above, but I can’t find the quote so I’ll agree to disagree. Especially re: Booster, who I love.
Daibhid C
I have very mixed feelings about Mike. Sometimes I think he was just an obnoxious git whose jerkassery occasionally happened to have positive outcomes, and who had occasional flashes of Actually Doing The Right Thing, one of which got him killed.
And then I read comments like Purple Floof’s and I start feeling he was so much worse than that. He was the obnoxious git whose jerkassery is intended to have positive outcomes, and always does, and therefore he is totally justified in everything he does. He’s punching Joe in the face to make him a better person, and that makes it okay. He’s Smallville Jor-El.
Kyulen
It felt pretty random to me. It seemed to me like Mike was just on the verge of becoming a better person and no longer being an asshole, and then he died.
thejeff
I could be misreading Willis’s intent, but I don’t think Mike was ever supposed to have been justified. Even if he thought he was.
His final revelation that led directly to his sacrificial attack on Blaine, was that Blaine’s justifications for his abuse of Amber echoed what Mike had been telling himself.
thejeff
In theory, but in the real life protest this is based on, no one got shot.
And, to tie to the point above, I doubt Dorothy’s going to do anything that would make the sniper shoot, if he wasn’t going to already.
Purple Floof
Yeah but everyone’s argument for why this protest is legitimately dangerous has been “there’s a police sniper” and “there’s riot police”, so I was speaking in the context of their arguments, since it’s just going to cause unnecessary arguments to contradict them on that
what problem is going to be caused when they’re arresting people in 30 minutes lol. she wasn’t “asked to leave” by any sort of protest authority, she was told to leave by her teacher and her friend’s older sister because they don’t want her getting in trouble. do you seriously think most of the college students protesting this stuff irl had “experience”? what experience are you looking for? what makes her not an “actual protestor”? this doesn’t seem to be some highly organized thing with very specific actions being taken and specific people chosen for being arrested, especially if it’s based on the irl college protests. this is the kind of virtue signaling that encourages people not to participate in actions.
tb
“Inexperienced” insofar as: someone who has never attended a protest, someone who barely even knows where she stands on the issue- just that she wants to be involved and make a grand gesture in at least some part because she has also attached it to representing something in her romantic life. It wasn’t just Joss or her teacher who told her to leave- several protestors expressed discomfort with her presence the moment she entered! All of which btw are grown women and absolutely have more authority than a random teenager who jumped in up on a whim.
Clif
Oh, it’s pretty clear she knows where she stands on the issue of the University’s involvement. Dorothy is an adult, not a random teenager. She may or may not be making a good decision, but it’s her decision to make.
Nymph
Yeah, hiss-boo to the infantilizing Dorothy. She’s an adult and everyone’s first protest is their first protest. What a silly line to draw.
Chromatic Roses
why would you think dorothy, someone who has been actively pursuing a political career up until this point, would not be intimately aware with whats going on politically with a genocide? i went back to read everything said about this subject and while she has not been outspoken about it not once has dorothy ever expressed anything but opposition for the university’s actions.
i can guarantee you, in real life, a huge portion of the college students who protested the way depicted in the comic were doing so as their first protest.
treating this as if its purely a part of dorothy’s romantic arc, as if she has not been continually set up to have this reaction to political action since raidah accused her of being a war criminal is ridiculous. willis is tying multiple of her arcs together into one because it makes for more compelling writing. but that does not mean that dorothy’s decision on political action here, while impulsive, is not out of nowhere. she has been leading to this.
“several protestors” did not “express discomfort” with her when she entered. what are you even talking about. one protestor, asma, said she had cop energy. that is not telling her to leave. that is asma saying she is not going to trust these people she barely knows with potentially sensitive information.
again, neither joss nor leslie told her to leave because she isn’t supposed to be at the protest, they said it because they don’t want dorothy to get arrested. but dorothy is also a grown woman. she can make that decision for herself.
i feel like you are seriously flattening dorothy’s character and infantilizing her to make some point about protestors that just makes you seem inexperienced. these kinds of protests want people in them. they want students to be joining in.
tb
And anyway I was responding to encourage for Dot to “crash out! destroy things!”
Jerach
The “experience” I would hope for is just, attending a protest where the intention was not to get arrested, and also having a plan like telling people beforehand as well as making sure bail can be arranged. I want people to participate in things, I don’t want people to be afraid, but I want people to make a plan beforehand for something escalating this far.
At least Dorothy is a fictional character so that changes things but yeah.
Clif
Joyce knows what’s happening. She knows Dorothy’s parents. Dorothy’s parents are almost certainly good for the bail. It’s not advanced planning, but it’s not jumping with no safety net.
Jerach
Dorothy didn’t ask Joyce to do that though and Joyce might jump in with Dorothy without thinking to do that. If Joyce does realize she should set that up then that may work but this doesn’t seem to be “calm thinking under fire” hours.
Chromatic Roses
yeah they should have told ppl where they were going beforehand lol. i still think expecting people to have the experience of a protest before actually going to a protest is silly, but dorothy is expecting joyce not to go with her so at least she is intending for someone to be aware of where she is. we’ll see if joyce makes the smart choice of not joining her lol
We’re gatekeeping protests now? I’m pretty sure getting as much people to join is one of the goals.
tb
“Crash out! Destroy things!” is absolutely not a harmless thing for a white woman who barely knows where she stands on the issue and just wants to make a grand gesture to do. Which is what I was responding to. White people with hero complexes escalating is something that happens frequently and causes harm to the people around them.
It’s fine for Dorothy Keener, the character from Dumbing of Age (readable now at dumbingofage.com), to perform these actions in this story for these reasons and under these conditions.
Sirksome
Also I thought it was obvious that I was pretty solidly joking. I don’t actually want Dorothy the fictional character to escalate a protest. I just like her change in attitude. Pretty sure people were commenting her to punch cops like that wouldn’t also escalate things, but I guess sometimes you can’t really have fun.
Dorothy should not crashout or destroy things. She should keep believing in the same things and acting the same say she did before she was disillusioned. That’s my official stance on things now until the next update at least.
Nymph
It WAS obvious. Sometimes people just take things far too seriously for one reason or another. It might be a generational divide, a bad day, frustration and burnout from the current state of the world, etc. You did fine.
Also I hope she crashes out and starts setting stuff on fire.
Woop de doop
She sets things on fire like Elmo! OW HOT
Burn baby burn
Kyulen
A lot of things some people think are obvious jokes are not that obvious to some people. Sometimes it’s hard to tell what is and is not a joke on the internet, especially when it’s just text comments. It doesn’t help that the outrageous things some people may say in jest, others will say completely seriously.
Dana
Last protest I went to, one of the folks we counted in the tally was more accurately a counter protester.
thejeff
For big rallies and stuff you want as many people as possible. For cases where you’re expecting confrontation with cops, you want some gatekeeping.
At the most basic level to screen out cops and provocateurs, but there are reasons the old Civil Rights groups actually did training.
Hm, a fair point. She’s gotten it right fitting in so far, but she doesn’t know how to handle things when they get really bad. She has mimickry rather than real knowledge – and no handy device to look up legal precedents on.
Kelibath
I don’t think she WILL massively escalate, but I am concerned she’s running in here off the back of disposing of her typical overplanned survival/success seeking behaviour and thus might put herself or others at risk veering too hard in the other way.
Cold cock, (also cold-cock or coldcock) is early 20th century American slang for “knock unconscious”, with a connotation of a sudden, powerful, unexpected blow (see also “sucker punch”). “Cock” was associated with “fist” in boxing, as in “he cocked his fist”, which may derive from cocking the hammer of a firearm. “Cold” may derive from either “knocked him out cold” or “caught him cold”, or attacked unexpectedly. I’ve also seen a claim that coldcock refers to a heavy water faucet (a “cock”), but who would hit anyone with a faucet?
343 thoughts on “More trouble”
Ana Chronistic
also, shit
Steamweed
The Ana returneth! Good to see you!
IntangibleMatter
Praise be The Ana!
Kelibath
Yes!! Missed you!
Also, this is amazing. It’s a complete 180 reversal of behaviour, but that’s exactly the break she’s been building toward for a while now. Whether good or bad will depend on how she processes this later…
Pocky
also, piss
Needfuldoer
There’s three of George Carlin’s seven words.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
Muthafu—-
Animedingo
Pretty good deal tbh
Steamweed
Probably not. Small one-person basic tent from WalkyMart runs about $20 locally.
Amós Batista
a very very basic tent, I guess
Risky
A small tent like for cycling can be the size of a particularly comfy sleeping bag, without any of the comfort but probably more weatherproof.
Needfuldoer
You wouldn’t want to bring your good tent to a situation like this.
Steamweed
Nope. Not at all. Too likely to lose it.
Paul
Side note, but the UK police will totally confiscate a good tent used by a homeless family. Basically, it isn’t bad enough not having a permanent residence you’ll also be out of pocket for a new tent. I honestly don’t know if they got to keep their personal belongings.
RoyanRannedos
My wife and I went camping once with a group of neighbors. We drove a couple of hours from married student campus housing to the other side of the mountain valley, then pulled the duffel from the trunk of our car.
I unzipped the bag and saw green plastic fronds. It took a full ten seconds for my brain to process the fact that I’d packed our Christmas tree instead of our tent.
Azrael
Check the clearance aisle. I picked up a 3 person tent for $25 once. It’d probably disintegrate if left out more than a night or two, but it counts.
Nono
But now you don’t have to pay for shipping or have to carry it yourself!
Svankensen
Apt for snow?
asmodai27
For a couple days, sure!
Sirksome
Yes! Do it! Crashout! Destroy things!
tb
I dont want the inexperienced white woman who spontaneously hopped in a demonstration she was asked to leave, to escalate and cause problems for the actual protestors, actually.
Sirksome
I doubt Dorothy is actually capable of doing anything that could escalate this past the arrests the protesters have already been assured if they stick around. I need her to keep this energy when things are little less high stakes though.
tb
Crashing out and destoying things would certainly escalate things.
Clif
Actually, I’m pretty sure they’ve all been asked to leave.
ACAB
They obviously mean asked to leave by someone worth respecting lmao not the cops
Taffy
Erm, actually, it’s dangerous for Batgirl to punch so many armed stooges. In real life, fighting someone with a gun can get you shot, so….
Purple Floof
I mean, in this particular case, the sniper indicates Dorothy could get shot
Taffy
But Dorothy isn’t Batgirl, so she can’t get shot.
Purple Floof
Nor was Mike Batman, but he went out like a hero and still died, so being a hero has a track record for death in this comic
Taffy
Mike went out like a dipshit moron, and didn’t even manage to take Blaine with him. Barely slowed the guy down.
Purple Floof
Man, Amber would want to kick your ass for that
Taffy
She’d have to leave her room for that.
Purple Floof
You have a fair point
Nymph
Mike was killed because he didn’t fit the tone of the comic and Willis was struggling to find reasons to include him in scenes or evolve his character in any direction that another character didn’t already do well.
He wasn’t just popped at random because the narrative demands blood sacrifice.
Ike
I mean it felt like he was. Because right before he killed him, Willis started to develop him so that he would fit the comic better.
Purple Floof
Ike is 100% on the money with that – and even if that wasn’t the case, Mike was the Heel With a Heart of the story, and when Willis tried to replace him with Booster it flopped cuz Booster’s doesn’t even mean well.
Nymph
We can certainly just disagree on every point. I went looking for the actual explanation from Willis which I am paraphrasing above, but I can’t find the quote so I’ll agree to disagree. Especially re: Booster, who I love.
Daibhid C
I have very mixed feelings about Mike. Sometimes I think he was just an obnoxious git whose jerkassery occasionally happened to have positive outcomes, and who had occasional flashes of Actually Doing The Right Thing, one of which got him killed.
And then I read comments like Purple Floof’s and I start feeling he was so much worse than that. He was the obnoxious git whose jerkassery is intended to have positive outcomes, and always does, and therefore he is totally justified in everything he does. He’s punching Joe in the face to make him a better person, and that makes it okay. He’s Smallville Jor-El.
Kyulen
It felt pretty random to me. It seemed to me like Mike was just on the verge of becoming a better person and no longer being an asshole, and then he died.
thejeff
I could be misreading Willis’s intent, but I don’t think Mike was ever supposed to have been justified. Even if he thought he was.
His final revelation that led directly to his sacrificial attack on Blaine, was that Blaine’s justifications for his abuse of Amber echoed what Mike had been telling himself.
thejeff
In theory, but in the real life protest this is based on, no one got shot.
And, to tie to the point above, I doubt Dorothy’s going to do anything that would make the sniper shoot, if he wasn’t going to already.
Purple Floof
Yeah but everyone’s argument for why this protest is legitimately dangerous has been “there’s a police sniper” and “there’s riot police”, so I was speaking in the context of their arguments, since it’s just going to cause unnecessary arguments to contradict them on that
Chromatic Roses
what problem is going to be caused when they’re arresting people in 30 minutes lol. she wasn’t “asked to leave” by any sort of protest authority, she was told to leave by her teacher and her friend’s older sister because they don’t want her getting in trouble. do you seriously think most of the college students protesting this stuff irl had “experience”? what experience are you looking for? what makes her not an “actual protestor”? this doesn’t seem to be some highly organized thing with very specific actions being taken and specific people chosen for being arrested, especially if it’s based on the irl college protests. this is the kind of virtue signaling that encourages people not to participate in actions.
tb
“Inexperienced” insofar as: someone who has never attended a protest, someone who barely even knows where she stands on the issue- just that she wants to be involved and make a grand gesture in at least some part because she has also attached it to representing something in her romantic life. It wasn’t just Joss or her teacher who told her to leave- several protestors expressed discomfort with her presence the moment she entered! All of which btw are grown women and absolutely have more authority than a random teenager who jumped in up on a whim.
Clif
Oh, it’s pretty clear she knows where she stands on the issue of the University’s involvement. Dorothy is an adult, not a random teenager. She may or may not be making a good decision, but it’s her decision to make.
Nymph
Yeah, hiss-boo to the infantilizing Dorothy. She’s an adult and everyone’s first protest is their first protest. What a silly line to draw.
Chromatic Roses
why would you think dorothy, someone who has been actively pursuing a political career up until this point, would not be intimately aware with whats going on politically with a genocide? i went back to read everything said about this subject and while she has not been outspoken about it not once has dorothy ever expressed anything but opposition for the university’s actions.
i can guarantee you, in real life, a huge portion of the college students who protested the way depicted in the comic were doing so as their first protest.
treating this as if its purely a part of dorothy’s romantic arc, as if she has not been continually set up to have this reaction to political action since raidah accused her of being a war criminal is ridiculous. willis is tying multiple of her arcs together into one because it makes for more compelling writing. but that does not mean that dorothy’s decision on political action here, while impulsive, is not out of nowhere. she has been leading to this.
“several protestors” did not “express discomfort” with her when she entered. what are you even talking about. one protestor, asma, said she had cop energy. that is not telling her to leave. that is asma saying she is not going to trust these people she barely knows with potentially sensitive information.
again, neither joss nor leslie told her to leave because she isn’t supposed to be at the protest, they said it because they don’t want dorothy to get arrested. but dorothy is also a grown woman. she can make that decision for herself.
i feel like you are seriously flattening dorothy’s character and infantilizing her to make some point about protestors that just makes you seem inexperienced. these kinds of protests want people in them. they want students to be joining in.
tb
And anyway I was responding to encourage for Dot to “crash out! destroy things!”
Jerach
The “experience” I would hope for is just, attending a protest where the intention was not to get arrested, and also having a plan like telling people beforehand as well as making sure bail can be arranged. I want people to participate in things, I don’t want people to be afraid, but I want people to make a plan beforehand for something escalating this far.
At least Dorothy is a fictional character so that changes things but yeah.
Clif
Joyce knows what’s happening. She knows Dorothy’s parents. Dorothy’s parents are almost certainly good for the bail. It’s not advanced planning, but it’s not jumping with no safety net.
Jerach
Dorothy didn’t ask Joyce to do that though and Joyce might jump in with Dorothy without thinking to do that. If Joyce does realize she should set that up then that may work but this doesn’t seem to be “calm thinking under fire” hours.
Chromatic Roses
yeah they should have told ppl where they were going beforehand lol. i still think expecting people to have the experience of a protest before actually going to a protest is silly, but dorothy is expecting joyce not to go with her so at least she is intending for someone to be aware of where she is. we’ll see if joyce makes the smart choice of not joining her lol
G127
We’re gatekeeping protests now? I’m pretty sure getting as much people to join is one of the goals.
tb
“Crash out! Destroy things!” is absolutely not a harmless thing for a white woman who barely knows where she stands on the issue and just wants to make a grand gesture to do. Which is what I was responding to. White people with hero complexes escalating is something that happens frequently and causes harm to the people around them.
Taffy
It’s fine for Dorothy Keener, the character from Dumbing of Age (readable now at dumbingofage.com), to perform these actions in this story for these reasons and under these conditions.
Sirksome
Also I thought it was obvious that I was pretty solidly joking. I don’t actually want Dorothy the fictional character to escalate a protest. I just like her change in attitude. Pretty sure people were commenting her to punch cops like that wouldn’t also escalate things, but I guess sometimes you can’t really have fun.
Dorothy should not crashout or destroy things. She should keep believing in the same things and acting the same say she did before she was disillusioned. That’s my official stance on things now until the next update at least.
Nymph
It WAS obvious. Sometimes people just take things far too seriously for one reason or another. It might be a generational divide, a bad day, frustration and burnout from the current state of the world, etc. You did fine.
Also I hope she crashes out and starts setting stuff on fire.
Woop de doop
She sets things on fire like Elmo! OW HOT
Burn baby burn
Kyulen
A lot of things some people think are obvious jokes are not that obvious to some people. Sometimes it’s hard to tell what is and is not a joke on the internet, especially when it’s just text comments. It doesn’t help that the outrageous things some people may say in jest, others will say completely seriously.
Dana
Last protest I went to, one of the folks we counted in the tally was more accurately a counter protester.
thejeff
For big rallies and stuff you want as many people as possible. For cases where you’re expecting confrontation with cops, you want some gatekeeping.
At the most basic level to screen out cops and provocateurs, but there are reasons the old Civil Rights groups actually did training.
Kelibath
Hm, a fair point. She’s gotten it right fitting in so far, but she doesn’t know how to handle things when they get really bad. She has mimickry rather than real knowledge – and no handy device to look up legal precedents on.
Kelibath
I don’t think she WILL massively escalate, but I am concerned she’s running in here off the back of disposing of her typical overplanned survival/success seeking behaviour and thus might put herself or others at risk veering too hard in the other way.
NGPZ
*play “Dare” by Stan Bush on hacked muzak*
butts
“act with integrity, no regrets” but this time it’s Dorothy cold clocking a riot cop
butts
hold up apparently it is “cold cocking” and not “cold clocking.” i just assumed i was hearing people wrong
Freezer
I legit didn’t notice you didn’t say “cocking” until you mentioned it.
Bittersweet
I too thought it was cold clocking lol, I thought it was an extension of ringing someone’s bell. Like an alarm bell, or an alarm clock.
Idk, the logic is not there like I thought it was lolol.
starfightervicki
Wait, it’s what?
Why have I never heard crude jokes about this?
Clif
You weren’t listening at the right time?
Dark_Panda
Cold cock, (also cold-cock or coldcock) is early 20th century American slang for “knock unconscious”, with a connotation of a sudden, powerful, unexpected blow (see also “sucker punch”). “Cock” was associated with “fist” in boxing, as in “he cocked his fist”, which may derive from cocking the hammer of a firearm. “Cold” may derive from either “knocked him out cold” or “caught him cold”, or attacked unexpectedly. I’ve also seen a claim that coldcock refers to a heavy water faucet (a “cock”), but who would hit anyone with a faucet?
Taffy
If I ain’t got a weapon, imma pick up a cock
apricot
There’s a joke I can make here about paid protestors but I’m not all the way committed
Lazuli