May he not study labour law? I don’t really know how it is in the USA.
bleepbloop
In the US, for undergrad, someone like Jacob would be considered a pre law student. He’s probably a political science major on the pre law track, which means he anticipates going to law school once he graduates.
Clif
Meaning that he’s only pre-evil. 🙂
Marsh Maryrose
There’s not a house that wouldn’t want him. But would he want to be in Slytherin?
Ronnie
We’re ambitious, we’re cunning, we look out for one another, hecking MERLIN is one of us… Why wouldn’t he want to be in our house?
Well there is the whole “breeding ground for wizard Nazis” thing
Bluesnake462
Every house has created a dark wizard, (except Hufflepuff) and that Voldemort had followers from other houses, or do you think he was able to make an army solely from people who only got sorted Slytherin.
Ellegos
You mean an offhand remark from Hagrid about how “No wizard that ever went bad wasn’t a Slytherin,” might not be Completely accurate?
Woah.
thejeff
No, but an overwhelming number of bad characters whose House ties we know being from Slytherin and very few good examples does say something. “breeding ground for wizard Nazis” seems accurate based on what we see. Doesn’t mean every single Slytherin and doesn’t mean no one from other Houses, but there is a definite pattern.
BBCC
I’m pretty sure the vast majority of Death Eaters were Slytherin, because the books said it was easiest for Tom Riddle and his friends to recruit among their former house – they had friends, siblings, cousins, etc. still there. Plus, a lot of Slytherin qualities probably did make them susceptible to Death Eater ideology (traditionalism – particularly relating to blood purity, ambition, a certain disregard for the rules in your way, etc.)
That doesn’t mean ‘no non-evil Slytherins’ (we have Slughorn, Merlin, and dammit I just woke up so I can’t remember more off the top of my head – Snape, depending on your mileage) and that doesn’t mean ‘no evil everyone else’ (Peter Pettigrew was in Gryffindor, for example).
Reltzik
Look, bottom line, we can’t succumb to our anti-slytherin bias. We have to give them equal consideration and access, entertain that their points might be valid, and let them speak at our wizarding schools even if they’re actively recruiting and propagandizing for the Death Eaters and publicly drawing huge targets on attending squibs and mudbloods. Otherwise, we’re just as bad as they are.
[/sarcasm]
Doki
In the end, I think we have to accept the canon is flawed and the books themselves – well, the early ones – have an anti-Slytherin slant. :C They were originally written for younger kids, so there wasn’t nearly as much nuance in the first few as in the later ones. So you DO get things like Hagrid making an offhand comment about how Slytherin is The Evil House™ and Draco (who’s the wizard version of racist) and Snape (who has no even POSSIBLY redeeming qualities* revealed until way later) being the only major Slytherin representatives, period.
That makes discussions like these hard. Yeah, most of the Slytherin characters we can point out are absolute pieces of shit (Draco is the only one you’re shown any not-flashback nuance for who isn’t introduced too late in the series for it to really help – sorry Slughorn, but you’re not as influential a character as Draco and Snape LMAO), but… would that represent reality? I don’t think so. I assume in a REAL Hogwarts where it’s not being plotted out by a person there’d be many more Slytherins who were sorted there for completely benign reasons who’d cringe at their reputation and have to constantly be like “WE’RE NOT ALL LIKE THAT I SWEAR”
SO UH. Normally I’m just like WHAT DOES THE CANON SAY??? when these kind of fandom discussions come up, but I really do feel like the canon itself is biased and hhhhh man IDK this is hard. There are a ton of Death Eaters from Slytherin, yeah, but… I feel like labeling the house as the “WIZARD NAZI HOUSE” is also kinda unfair? ;~;
* Your mileage may vary on how redeeming Snape’s backstory really is, but at the very least it’s a realistic amount of nuance and it’s not a flat portrayal of an ~eeeeevil~ Slytherin. So even if you think he’s still kind of a shit person, it’s at least not as simple as HE’S A SLYTHERIN BECAUSE OF COURSE HE’S EVIL.
Doki
OH GOD I apologize for that wall of text. I didn’t realize how long it was. ;~; I guess it was just my LET’S ASSUME THE BEST OF EVERYONE Hufflepuff instinct kicking in LMAO
Xenocide
No apology necessary, it was an interesting read!
Clif
Technically Defense against the Dark Arts Teachers have a worse track record than Slytherins.
thejeff
Well yes, but you really have to judge the fiction by what’s presented in it, not by how you think it really should be or even by what’s said about it.
There is no real Slytherin House. The only one that exists is the one we see in the books.
Think Show, Don’t Tell. We’re told the official qualifications for Slytherin and they don’t seem that bad, but we’re shown the House of Junior Death-Eaters. Slytherin being the place for the ambitious and cunning is an informed attribute. Slytherin being the place for pure blood bigots is what we see.
I guess that can be “the canon is flawed and the books themselves have an anti-Slytherin slant”, but I don’t even know what that means. Rowling is wrong about her world? You certainly can’t blame readers for seeing things as the author portrayed them.
That said, there are certainly examples of non-evil Slytherins and evil non-Slytherins, but that doesn’t contradict “breeding ground for wizard Nazis”. I’m sure there are some very fine people in both Houses.
Inahc
” I don’t even know what that means. Rowling is wrong about her world?”
I think it means she’s wrong about *people*, that people in the real world who meet the criteria for Slytherin are not as bad as Slytherin was written to be. Which matters because people really like to sort real-world people (and fictional characters of other authors) into Hogwarts houses?
thejeff
Or the official criteria (or the ones used to sort real world people) aren’t actually the ones that were used in the fictional world. There are hints all over the place that the Sorting Hat wasn’t all it was cracked up to be, it did seem to sort as much by family as anything – “Another Weasley. I know just what to do with you.”
It sometimes listens to the students and they’re all about the house’s reputations and, at eleven, not disappointing their parents.
Some hypothetical Slytherin, using the official criteria (and ignoring the founder’s whole blood purity thing) could be just fine. The one in the books? Training ground for junior Death Eaters.
Even if a few came out of it okay and some from other houses were just as bad.
Inahc
another issue some fanfic pointed out is that it’s exceedingly unlikely that every new group of students will divide evenly over the four houses. what does the hat do if it randomly gets a batch that’s 50% hufflepuffs?
another fanfic had *nobody* getting sorted into slytherin for years after the last book, and then just one girl gets the whole slytherin house all to herself. (sadly it was in an epilogue, so there hasn’t been a chance to see that ridiculousness play out.)
AbbeFaria
Hufflepuff hasn’t produced any evil witchs or wizards that we “know” about…
BBCC
Well, sure, my point was more that the official house criteria don’t HAVE to be bad, but in the context of the universe, it DOES produce people more likely to be death eaters, especially because traditionalism (especially about Blood purity) is also a Slytherin trait. I do agree with people that Slytherin doesn’t equal evil but you’re right that, as it stood, it WAS a breeding ground for Death Eaters.
something a lot of people seem to ignore, is that the books are from Harry’s pov. So naturally, the first books are going to be more childish black and white, Gryffindor, good, Slytherin, bad.
But as we get to see his perspective on the wizarding world grow, as he grows older, the same happens to his perspective on the houses. With him realizing the flaws not just in his own house, but in his own father and himself. Realizing that Draco isn’t evil, but instead just scared, and so on. The problem is that the books end, just as Harry is ready to leave school. And we only get a glimpse of him as an adult, where he’s come to accept that being a Slytherin doesn’t mean you’re evil.
3-I
I mean, it’s neat that he grows with regard to his hatecrush, but the source material is still pretty messed up about Slytherin. Y’know, with the whole “All the Slytherins left because they only cares about their own safety/got put in the dungeon for the Battle of Hogwarts” thing.
weirderthanweird
I’m really curious as to where people are getting the idea that one of the traits of Slytherins is traditionalism. Slytherin did request that blood purity be taken into account when the Hat was sorting them but that’s not traditionalism. I’d say the Malfoy family represents Slytherin pretty well and they used to host parties with influential muggles right up until doing so fell out of fashion. To retain power they began shunning muggles and muggleborns. Ambition is the opposite of tradition.
I also find it interesting that people think that discrimination against Slytherins is the same as discrimination against Nazis. The argument that a lot of Death Eaters are Slytherins so Slytherins are dangerous and shouldn’t be allowed to share their opinions sounds quite a bit like the argument I hear from racists about how a lot of criminals are black so we shouldn’t treat them the same as white people.
Finally, a reminder that Hogwarts students are children. They will continue to grow and change post-Hogwarts. Deciding that someone’s House determines how they will act for their remaining lives is rather narrow-minded.
Were they specifically Ethan, though? Given the notable lack of head I felt like it was more just… shirtless dude torso in general (which feels like it would be more “sinful” in Joyce’s world).
Ooh…I thought it was an interpanel Ethan, but upon further review, the vision was while hugging Ethan, and powerful enough to obscure whatever Ethan was saying. So, could be either.
I enjoy being weird in some ways, but there are different kinds of weirdness and different ways I feel about them. For me, there’s like, “I got to class early and made a fort out of the tables and chairs,” which is a kind of weird which I am very much about. But then there’s “I’m having a lot of emotions right now and need to rub the corner of this brick building while trying to breathe in order to calm myself with the texture” kind of weird, and that one…like if no one’s around, I can feel okay about it. But say there’s someone sitting in their car in the parking lot right in front of that building corner, casually eating a salad– then that weird feels less okay.
And then there’s the “mentally comes up with a list of every possible pun in every given situation, including several that are racist, sexist, and/or Spanish” kind of weird, which I should really look into
Delicious Taffy
Arson, murder, and cruzar la calle*?
*Is that proper? I never can tell if I’m bungling foreign languages.
What if he COULD hear what she said, & is simply doing 1 of those Earth “double-take” things? That might be a bit much for our young lady here, maybe prepare for the next panic face…
So she’s supposed to be getting Jacob with Sarah, but is getting interested herself. Would Sarah approve? Eh, probably, if it gets him away from Raidah I think it was. And maybe if Joyce “shares”… ?
212 thoughts on “Noticeably”
AnvilPro
Jacob would be Ravenclaw
Shaunock
Hufflepuff
Pablo360
He’s a lawyer, so Slytherin.
Pablo360
Well, law school student, you know what I mean
Khno
May he not study labour law? I don’t really know how it is in the USA.
bleepbloop
In the US, for undergrad, someone like Jacob would be considered a pre law student. He’s probably a political science major on the pre law track, which means he anticipates going to law school once he graduates.
Clif
Meaning that he’s only pre-evil. 🙂
Marsh Maryrose
There’s not a house that wouldn’t want him. But would he want to be in Slytherin?
Ronnie
We’re ambitious, we’re cunning, we look out for one another, hecking MERLIN is one of us… Why wouldn’t he want to be in our house?
Pablo360
Well there is the whole “breeding ground for wizard Nazis” thing
Bluesnake462
Every house has created a dark wizard, (except Hufflepuff) and that Voldemort had followers from other houses, or do you think he was able to make an army solely from people who only got sorted Slytherin.
Ellegos
You mean an offhand remark from Hagrid about how “No wizard that ever went bad wasn’t a Slytherin,” might not be Completely accurate?
Woah.
thejeff
No, but an overwhelming number of bad characters whose House ties we know being from Slytherin and very few good examples does say something. “breeding ground for wizard Nazis” seems accurate based on what we see. Doesn’t mean every single Slytherin and doesn’t mean no one from other Houses, but there is a definite pattern.
BBCC
I’m pretty sure the vast majority of Death Eaters were Slytherin, because the books said it was easiest for Tom Riddle and his friends to recruit among their former house – they had friends, siblings, cousins, etc. still there. Plus, a lot of Slytherin qualities probably did make them susceptible to Death Eater ideology (traditionalism – particularly relating to blood purity, ambition, a certain disregard for the rules in your way, etc.)
That doesn’t mean ‘no non-evil Slytherins’ (we have Slughorn, Merlin, and dammit I just woke up so I can’t remember more off the top of my head – Snape, depending on your mileage) and that doesn’t mean ‘no evil everyone else’ (Peter Pettigrew was in Gryffindor, for example).
Reltzik
Look, bottom line, we can’t succumb to our anti-slytherin bias. We have to give them equal consideration and access, entertain that their points might be valid, and let them speak at our wizarding schools even if they’re actively recruiting and propagandizing for the Death Eaters and publicly drawing huge targets on attending squibs and mudbloods. Otherwise, we’re just as bad as they are.
[/sarcasm]
Doki
In the end, I think we have to accept the canon is flawed and the books themselves – well, the early ones – have an anti-Slytherin slant. :C They were originally written for younger kids, so there wasn’t nearly as much nuance in the first few as in the later ones. So you DO get things like Hagrid making an offhand comment about how Slytherin is The Evil House™ and Draco (who’s the wizard version of racist) and Snape (who has no even POSSIBLY redeeming qualities* revealed until way later) being the only major Slytherin representatives, period.
That makes discussions like these hard. Yeah, most of the Slytherin characters we can point out are absolute pieces of shit (Draco is the only one you’re shown any not-flashback nuance for who isn’t introduced too late in the series for it to really help – sorry Slughorn, but you’re not as influential a character as Draco and Snape LMAO), but… would that represent reality? I don’t think so. I assume in a REAL Hogwarts where it’s not being plotted out by a person there’d be many more Slytherins who were sorted there for completely benign reasons who’d cringe at their reputation and have to constantly be like “WE’RE NOT ALL LIKE THAT I SWEAR”
SO UH. Normally I’m just like WHAT DOES THE CANON SAY??? when these kind of fandom discussions come up, but I really do feel like the canon itself is biased and hhhhh man IDK this is hard. There are a ton of Death Eaters from Slytherin, yeah, but… I feel like labeling the house as the “WIZARD NAZI HOUSE” is also kinda unfair? ;~;
* Your mileage may vary on how redeeming Snape’s backstory really is, but at the very least it’s a realistic amount of nuance and it’s not a flat portrayal of an ~eeeeevil~ Slytherin. So even if you think he’s still kind of a shit person, it’s at least not as simple as HE’S A SLYTHERIN BECAUSE OF COURSE HE’S EVIL.
Doki
OH GOD I apologize for that wall of text. I didn’t realize how long it was. ;~; I guess it was just my LET’S ASSUME THE BEST OF EVERYONE Hufflepuff instinct kicking in LMAO
Xenocide
No apology necessary, it was an interesting read!
Clif
Technically Defense against the Dark Arts Teachers have a worse track record than Slytherins.
thejeff
Well yes, but you really have to judge the fiction by what’s presented in it, not by how you think it really should be or even by what’s said about it.
There is no real Slytherin House. The only one that exists is the one we see in the books.
Think Show, Don’t Tell. We’re told the official qualifications for Slytherin and they don’t seem that bad, but we’re shown the House of Junior Death-Eaters. Slytherin being the place for the ambitious and cunning is an informed attribute. Slytherin being the place for pure blood bigots is what we see.
I guess that can be “the canon is flawed and the books themselves have an anti-Slytherin slant”, but I don’t even know what that means. Rowling is wrong about her world? You certainly can’t blame readers for seeing things as the author portrayed them.
That said, there are certainly examples of non-evil Slytherins and evil non-Slytherins, but that doesn’t contradict “breeding ground for wizard Nazis”. I’m sure there are some very fine people in both Houses.
Inahc
” I don’t even know what that means. Rowling is wrong about her world?”
I think it means she’s wrong about *people*, that people in the real world who meet the criteria for Slytherin are not as bad as Slytherin was written to be. Which matters because people really like to sort real-world people (and fictional characters of other authors) into Hogwarts houses?
thejeff
Or the official criteria (or the ones used to sort real world people) aren’t actually the ones that were used in the fictional world. There are hints all over the place that the Sorting Hat wasn’t all it was cracked up to be, it did seem to sort as much by family as anything – “Another Weasley. I know just what to do with you.”
It sometimes listens to the students and they’re all about the house’s reputations and, at eleven, not disappointing their parents.
Some hypothetical Slytherin, using the official criteria (and ignoring the founder’s whole blood purity thing) could be just fine. The one in the books? Training ground for junior Death Eaters.
Even if a few came out of it okay and some from other houses were just as bad.
Inahc
another issue some fanfic pointed out is that it’s exceedingly unlikely that every new group of students will divide evenly over the four houses. what does the hat do if it randomly gets a batch that’s 50% hufflepuffs?
another fanfic had *nobody* getting sorted into slytherin for years after the last book, and then just one girl gets the whole slytherin house all to herself. (sadly it was in an epilogue, so there hasn’t been a chance to see that ridiculousness play out.)
AbbeFaria
Hufflepuff hasn’t produced any evil witchs or wizards that we “know” about…
BBCC
Well, sure, my point was more that the official house criteria don’t HAVE to be bad, but in the context of the universe, it DOES produce people more likely to be death eaters, especially because traditionalism (especially about Blood purity) is also a Slytherin trait. I do agree with people that Slytherin doesn’t equal evil but you’re right that, as it stood, it WAS a breeding ground for Death Eaters.
Liliaeth
something a lot of people seem to ignore, is that the books are from Harry’s pov. So naturally, the first books are going to be more childish black and white, Gryffindor, good, Slytherin, bad.
But as we get to see his perspective on the wizarding world grow, as he grows older, the same happens to his perspective on the houses. With him realizing the flaws not just in his own house, but in his own father and himself. Realizing that Draco isn’t evil, but instead just scared, and so on. The problem is that the books end, just as Harry is ready to leave school. And we only get a glimpse of him as an adult, where he’s come to accept that being a Slytherin doesn’t mean you’re evil.
3-I
I mean, it’s neat that he grows with regard to his hatecrush, but the source material is still pretty messed up about Slytherin. Y’know, with the whole “All the Slytherins left because they only cares about their own safety/got put in the dungeon for the Battle of Hogwarts” thing.
weirderthanweird
I’m really curious as to where people are getting the idea that one of the traits of Slytherins is traditionalism. Slytherin did request that blood purity be taken into account when the Hat was sorting them but that’s not traditionalism. I’d say the Malfoy family represents Slytherin pretty well and they used to host parties with influential muggles right up until doing so fell out of fashion. To retain power they began shunning muggles and muggleborns. Ambition is the opposite of tradition.
I also find it interesting that people think that discrimination against Slytherins is the same as discrimination against Nazis. The argument that a lot of Death Eaters are Slytherins so Slytherins are dangerous and shouldn’t be allowed to share their opinions sounds quite a bit like the argument I hear from racists about how a lot of criminals are black so we shouldn’t treat them the same as white people.
Finally, a reminder that Hogwarts students are children. They will continue to grow and change post-Hogwarts. Deciding that someone’s House determines how they will act for their remaining lives is rather narrow-minded.
Mortartarsaus
Jacob’d be Thunderbird.
ILVERMORNY, REPRESENT!
desolation0
awww Jacob is nice and Joyce is nice
Reltzik
They’re both nice.
Too nice.
Cue disaster.
BigDogLittleCat
Perfect avatar for this comment!
Doctor_Who
“Sarah is go great! I bet you could lift like five of her with your huge rippling biceps!”
Reltzik
“Though technically you’d probably be doing most of the lifting with your firm, chiseled pecs or your well-sinewed deltoids.”
Br44n5m
“When you lift Sarah’s do you flex your very firm bum?”
willis
“Make sure to pick her up using your tight, lean legs and not your rippling back!”
ValdVin
PreviousJoyce: “I can’t tell anyone that I get interpanel visions of naked Ethan torso.”
NowJoyce: “I can’t tell anyone that I’ve added Jacob to my visions.”
Jason
Were they specifically Ethan, though? Given the notable lack of head I felt like it was more just… shirtless dude torso in general (which feels like it would be more “sinful” in Joyce’s world).
ValdVin
Ooh…I thought it was an interpanel Ethan, but upon further review, the vision was while hugging Ethan, and powerful enough to obscure whatever Ethan was saying. So, could be either.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/belong-here/
The interpanel one, from the shower, is unidentified.
Yumi
Panel 3 Joyce is the most I have ever related to Joyce.
Keulen
I don’t usually relate to Joyce, but I kinda do with panel 3 too.
autogatos
Literally me on my first date with my now-husband. And like Joyce I had no idea I was even really interested in him at first either.
autogatos
Basically in my experience: Find someone else who finds your weirdness cute and also is kinda weird in their own charming way.
Masumi Sera
Embrace your weirdness. Let it flow through you. Together, we can rule the world.
– Sincerely, the local campus weirdo.
Yumi
I enjoy being weird in some ways, but there are different kinds of weirdness and different ways I feel about them. For me, there’s like, “I got to class early and made a fort out of the tables and chairs,” which is a kind of weird which I am very much about. But then there’s “I’m having a lot of emotions right now and need to rub the corner of this brick building while trying to breathe in order to calm myself with the texture” kind of weird, and that one…like if no one’s around, I can feel okay about it. But say there’s someone sitting in their car in the parking lot right in front of that building corner, casually eating a salad– then that weird feels less okay.
Pablo360
And then there’s the “mentally comes up with a list of every possible pun in every given situation, including several that are racist, sexist, and/or Spanish” kind of weird, which I should really look into
Delicious Taffy
Arson, murder, and cruzar la calle*?
*Is that proper? I never can tell if I’m bungling foreign languages.
Pablo360
Technically there is no word for jaywalking in Spanish because jaywalking is a uniquely American crime.
Deanatay
‘cruzar la calle’ seems to translate to ‘streetwalking’, which is an ENTIRELY different crime.
Inahc
same.
ValdVin
It’s a good thing Jacob can’t hear the tiny type she’s using,in panel three.
Screwball
What if he COULD hear what she said, & is simply doing 1 of those Earth “double-take” things? That might be a bit much for our young lady here, maybe prepare for the next panic face…
Reltzik
Alt-text says otherwise.
Reltzik
He’d probably miss the crush aspect and start gushing about no, how completely awesome she is and how he’s in awe of her and stuff.
ValdVin
Today is the day that your appropriate avatar is appropriate for everything you post.
I don’t know that the last panel is the saving throw Joyce thinks it is.
Reltzik
That’s the thing about the Sarah avatar. It doesn’t MATTER what I post. She’ll ALWAYS be the perfect avatar.
Pablo360
Counterpoint.
Needfuldoer
Not if you read all positivity as sarcasm!
ValdVin
Having reached Perfect Avatar status would make me happy* in one little phase of my life.
*Well, if I were using any other avatar.
CJ
Does the alt text say, he always misses the crush-aspect?
Maybe he hoped with Joyce, he could be friends with a women without her crushing out on him?
begbert2
“Dangit, you too? I thought you were gay!”
“Wait, what!?”
4,000 spiders
catch me crying over joyce’s panel 3 comment like damn
Kernanator
That is a great “I will rule the world” face from Joyce in the last panel.
Pablo360
Nope, I have no idea what this feels like, moving on
Screwball
So she’s supposed to be getting Jacob with Sarah, but is getting interested herself. Would Sarah approve? Eh, probably, if it gets him away from Raidah I think it was. And maybe if Joyce “shares”… ?
Yumi
Well…yes, Sarah would. That’s kinda become Sarah’s intent.
Reltzik
Hooking Joyce up with Jacob is now pretty much Sarah’s main plot.
StClair
Becky knows it, too.
Joyce is the one who hasn’t figured it out, yet.
3-I
Like. That was on-panel, man.
Dean
Jacob you should be able to read Joyce’s speech bubble in panel 3, you’re even wearing your glasses.
Br44n5m
+1
FLUFFYWOLF
Jacob continues to be too good and pure for this cast
JetstreamGW