Yeah, and by “the correct gender”, cuz that sounds dangerously close to being super fucked up.
Mr D
Yeah, saying “correct gender” followed by “you may reach your full potential” I think implies some-
uh-
rather distasteful ideas.
Paradoxius
I’m going to move that we stop this conversation right here, because it’s getting very close to outright transphobia.
Mturtle7
Thank you, Paradoxius, from the bottom of my heart. I was about to engage in this conversation, and you heroically reminded me why this would, in fact, be a terrible idea. I feel like I’v ebeen pulled back from the brink at the very last second.
Daniel M Ball
just one dumb question: Why is Carla saying something potentially bigoted a problem? (Possibly more than one thing, if you slice the statement up and address each topic in turn). Are Trans people no longer allowed to cling to stereotypes or say manipulative, possibly damaging things now? Consider these are KIDS, they’re barely out of their parents houses (some aren’t out at all, beyond where their room is). Kids say stupid and hurtful things ALL THE TIME. It TAKES time to learn not to be a hypocrite, or an asshole. (Or hypocritical asshole). We’re not reading about perfect little angels here, because perfect little angels are BORING.
Schpoonman
Diagram for me how “Telling anyone how to express their gender is problematic” is transphobic.
Jay
Gotta be honest, “egg hunting” *is* a thing some trans people do. And yeah, it’s gross – and most of the people doing it would *also* agree it’s gross. (Source: am trans, am overjoyed to see gender nonconformity anywhere, am also gross.)
Walky doesn’t show the slightest interest in “traditional” masculinity. (That does not make him trans. And it still wouldn’t be Carla’s business, if he was, or make her insinuation of it being an *upgrade* less gross than every cis person who’d insinuate it was a downgrade either.)
But, Carla is allowed to be terrible. And cisphobic. It’s fine.
I’m pretty sure she means “realize you are a woman,” because women are superior to men in Carla’s mind, probably.
Taellosse
No, I think Carla is just implying that Walky’s “full potential” is discovering that he holds a deep and abiding infatuation for Carla (which she would happily fail to requite, of course), as all right-thinking people ought.
Daniel M Ball
Ding!!! This strikes me as the more correct interpretation. Carla’s vanity (or at least, the outward, in your face expression of vanity) is a major trait in the character.
JR
This was absolutely my read of it. She has no use for male humans, because women are better, therefore she thinks all people should be women, the end. She’s a fun character, but a deeply unpleasant person: a gleefully misandrist self-described asshole who demands to be the constant center of attention and reveals other people’s personal business (Ruth/Jennifer, Becky/Dina) for kicks. So far, her acquaintances have all swiftly realized she’s an asshole, so they know not to take her opinion seriously enough that she can hurt their feelings, but now she’s chasing Charlie, who has some unspecified socialization difficulties…so this should be interesting. We could be looking at the end of her Mike-like imperviousness to consequences, and her first major growth arc…or just a comic romp about a person who needs to be noticed trying to grab the attention of a person whose only character trait so far is that she has difficulty noticing things.
I’ve woken up by 5:00 am everyday since I was in middle school.
Yotomoe
I haven’t woken up before 8 in years. I VERY rarely wake up at 9. I USUALLY wake up around 10. I’m not a morning person and I don’t wanna be. I’m a night owl.
Otl1973
I try to be in bed by 5am every day, and that’s been my schedule for 50 years. If I’m awake at 6:30am and wasn’t also at 5:30 (and at 4:30) something very serious is going down.
Yotomoe
I go to bed around 4-4:40 am every night. I stream every night at midnight for about 3 hours. Then it takes me about an hour to get to sleep.
Hard same here. I’ve been nocturnal since the Army. I function best in the dark (mind out of the gutter, not what I meant). The only downside is I get woke up by noise and there is lots of that around here during the day.
missilentmurmur
But what are you all doing to earn money??
Yotomoe
I work at a Fast Food restaurant.
missilentmurmur
Actually, me too. But I still start at 9 most mornings 😀
Creatures of the night unite! I have been able to sleep nights without medications since I was 13. Naturally I will sleep 18ish hours at a time every second day. It does not vibe with work or study.
Mark
There are other morning people! I knew it!
Allen Alberti
I go to sleep at around 2 or 3PM usually, up at 9:30PM.
zee
I had to wake up at 5:30 for highschool. That’s why I would bite someone if they woke me up at 6:30. I’ve earned the right to sleep in
If someone woke me up at 6:30am I would be very confused because I don’t normally go to bed until at least 8:00. And then bite them, because why the hell are they in my house?
I’m currently basically nocturnal. Turns out maintaining a healthy sleep schedule is, like, really hard, and it doesn’t help that this stupid webcomic’s upload schedule has trained me to never go to bed before midnight.
khn0
time zone here is so that if I do work an all nighter, I know that when the comics is up, it’s time to get the kids up – and get even more work done.
we also don’t know if charlie would even leave her room/ be out and about where carla would be pacing (but you’d think there’d be kinda some student list out there unless it’s a privacy thing [wonder if charlie ever made it on ‘joe’s list’ lol])
Also we have proven evidence that Walky would be a hot girl if that’s what Carla meant by realizing his “full potential”.
Yotomoe
A short haired messy Sal.
Dante
… Hot.
But seriously, I’ve been silently begging The Merciful Willis to fuck with Walky’s gender a little. 95% sure he’s bi and hasn’t realized it; but also, every time the characters comments about his masculinity (or lack of thereof) I go “!!!”
Booster should introduce him to drag.
FlamestAndLight
holy shit i’d love a trans walky storyline
Needfuldoer
Will a supernatural anomaly in an alternate universe suffice?
RassilonTDavros
Honestly that was my read on that line, too.
Azhrei Vep
Thirded. Carla is clearly saying that Female is the correct gender and Male is incorrect, and that Walky has potential as a woman.
I think panel 6 is him trying to get some kind of reaction from Carla. I think he’s reluctant to have sex with Lucy, but he also thinks church+sex is hilarious. I could be wrong, I’m not reading much in particular from his panel 6 face.
210 thoughts on “Pacing”
Ana Chronistic
Carla greatly opposes the manufacturing of more Walky
Doctor_Who
“People are disgusting Von Neumann probes, and should be outlawed!”
davidbreslin101
BREAKING NEWS: Two mysterious alien megastructures have arrived in the Kuiper belt and started making out.
Thag Simmons
i think that happened in Destiny once
Animedingo
Savage line in the first panel Walky
Ryan
That’s pretty much par for that age, at least where I went to school.
SpaceDorf
I think the first Panel is the most profound summary of our current media personalities and should be used by Interviewers around the globe.
Mturtle7
To be fair, it’s not only a completely accurate description of Carla, it’s also exactly the kind of image she strives to cultivate.
Dara
Of all the power lines I’ve heard out of Carlia, “and you still have time to realise your full potential” is the most powerful.
Gbz
What did she mean by that?
Pun-ter the Harharharbarian
Yeah, and by “the correct gender”, cuz that sounds dangerously close to being super fucked up.
Mr D
Yeah, saying “correct gender” followed by “you may reach your full potential” I think implies some-
uh-
rather distasteful ideas.
Paradoxius
I’m going to move that we stop this conversation right here, because it’s getting very close to outright transphobia.
Mturtle7
Thank you, Paradoxius, from the bottom of my heart. I was about to engage in this conversation, and you heroically reminded me why this would, in fact, be a terrible idea. I feel like I’v ebeen pulled back from the brink at the very last second.
Daniel M Ball
just one dumb question: Why is Carla saying something potentially bigoted a problem? (Possibly more than one thing, if you slice the statement up and address each topic in turn). Are Trans people no longer allowed to cling to stereotypes or say manipulative, possibly damaging things now? Consider these are KIDS, they’re barely out of their parents houses (some aren’t out at all, beyond where their room is). Kids say stupid and hurtful things ALL THE TIME. It TAKES time to learn not to be a hypocrite, or an asshole. (Or hypocritical asshole). We’re not reading about perfect little angels here, because perfect little angels are BORING.
Schpoonman
Diagram for me how “Telling anyone how to express their gender is problematic” is transphobic.
Jay
Gotta be honest, “egg hunting” *is* a thing some trans people do. And yeah, it’s gross – and most of the people doing it would *also* agree it’s gross. (Source: am trans, am overjoyed to see gender nonconformity anywhere, am also gross.)
Walky doesn’t show the slightest interest in “traditional” masculinity. (That does not make him trans. And it still wouldn’t be Carla’s business, if he was, or make her insinuation of it being an *upgrade* less gross than every cis person who’d insinuate it was a downgrade either.)
But, Carla is allowed to be terrible. And cisphobic. It’s fine.
LiterallyJustSomeGuy
I’m pretty sure she means “realize you are a woman,” because women are superior to men in Carla’s mind, probably.
Taellosse
No, I think Carla is just implying that Walky’s “full potential” is discovering that he holds a deep and abiding infatuation for Carla (which she would happily fail to requite, of course), as all right-thinking people ought.
Daniel M Ball
Ding!!! This strikes me as the more correct interpretation. Carla’s vanity (or at least, the outward, in your face expression of vanity) is a major trait in the character.
JR
This was absolutely my read of it. She has no use for male humans, because women are better, therefore she thinks all people should be women, the end. She’s a fun character, but a deeply unpleasant person: a gleefully misandrist self-described asshole who demands to be the constant center of attention and reveals other people’s personal business (Ruth/Jennifer, Becky/Dina) for kicks. So far, her acquaintances have all swiftly realized she’s an asshole, so they know not to take her opinion seriously enough that she can hurt their feelings, but now she’s chasing Charlie, who has some unspecified socialization difficulties…so this should be interesting. We could be looking at the end of her Mike-like imperviousness to consequences, and her first major growth arc…or just a comic romp about a person who needs to be noticed trying to grab the attention of a person whose only character trait so far is that she has difficulty noticing things.
peat_moss
She means he has time to realize he’s a trans lesbian. The “correct gender” bit also reflects her opinion that women are the correct gender to date.
peat_moss
Women are also the correct gender to be, presumably because boys are gross
Sirksome
What time is it for them actually. I swear if it’s like 6:30 am and they’re acting like it’s 3 I will flip.
HueSatLight
Between 6:30 and 8, based off of the sky two strips ago. Feels like Carla waited as long as she could stand, until it was technically morning.
Yotomoe
If someone woke me up at 6:30 am I would bite them.
Jo_Cubstar
100%… I don’t wake up before 10 most days
Sirksome
I’ve woken up by 5:00 am everyday since I was in middle school.
Yotomoe
I haven’t woken up before 8 in years. I VERY rarely wake up at 9. I USUALLY wake up around 10. I’m not a morning person and I don’t wanna be. I’m a night owl.
Otl1973
I try to be in bed by 5am every day, and that’s been my schedule for 50 years. If I’m awake at 6:30am and wasn’t also at 5:30 (and at 4:30) something very serious is going down.
Yotomoe
I go to bed around 4-4:40 am every night. I stream every night at midnight for about 3 hours. Then it takes me about an hour to get to sleep.
Opus the Poet
Hard same here. I’ve been nocturnal since the Army. I function best in the dark (mind out of the gutter, not what I meant). The only downside is I get woke up by noise and there is lots of that around here during the day.
missilentmurmur
But what are you all doing to earn money??
Yotomoe
I work at a Fast Food restaurant.
missilentmurmur
Actually, me too. But I still start at 9 most mornings 😀
tyersome
One does not need money to survive and the Eloi sleep while we wake
Allen Alberti
Grocery Store
Taffy
Never heard of night shift?
Needfuldoer
Turning things off and back on again in the wee hours of the morning, mostly.
NGPZ
I’m a freelance video game programmer :3
Bogeywoman
Creatures of the night unite! I have been able to sleep nights without medications since I was 13. Naturally I will sleep 18ish hours at a time every second day. It does not vibe with work or study.
Mark
There are other morning people! I knew it!
Allen Alberti
I go to sleep at around 2 or 3PM usually, up at 9:30PM.
zee
I had to wake up at 5:30 for highschool. That’s why I would bite someone if they woke me up at 6:30. I’ve earned the right to sleep in
Azhrei Vep
If someone woke me up at 6:30am I would be very confused because I don’t normally go to bed until at least 8:00. And then bite them, because why the hell are they in my house?
thakoru
I’m currently basically nocturnal. Turns out maintaining a healthy sleep schedule is, like, really hard, and it doesn’t help that this stupid webcomic’s upload schedule has trained me to never go to bed before midnight.
khn0
time zone here is so that if I do work an all nighter, I know that when the comics is up, it’s time to get the kids up – and get even more work done.
Needfuldoer
Same, because that would mean I either overslept or fell asleep at work.
Angel
we also don’t know if charlie would even leave her room/ be out and about where carla would be pacing (but you’d think there’d be kinda some student list out there unless it’s a privacy thing [wonder if charlie ever made it on ‘joe’s list’ lol])
Yotomoe
Ah yes it’d be a shame if Walky was with the incorrect gender.
Sirksome
We can’t know that for sure though. Best have him date the wrong gender for awhile so we can see. For science.
Risky
I read this as “if Walky was the incorrect gender” and I thought “she clearly was suggesting as much”.
Kelibath
I found it really hard to tell myself, but I think “your true potential” was a nudge at seeing if he had an eggshell to crack
David DeLaney
so what I’m hearing is that Carla needs to consult Mike’s parents
–Dave, since I’m reading backwards through the archives
Laura
I don’t really get what Carla means in Panel 6. Thoughts, my friends?
Panel 7, Walky does NOT look happy about that prospect… 🙁
Sounds like Panel 8 Carla is right on target to echo his feelings on that topic.
Dot
Girls are the correct gender to date because girls are pretty.
Sirksome
Also we have proven evidence that Walky would be a hot girl if that’s what Carla meant by realizing his “full potential”.
Yotomoe
A short haired messy Sal.
Dante
… Hot.
But seriously, I’ve been silently begging The Merciful Willis to fuck with Walky’s gender a little. 95% sure he’s bi and hasn’t realized it; but also, every time the characters comments about his masculinity (or lack of thereof) I go “!!!”
Booster should introduce him to drag.FlamestAndLight
holy shit i’d love a trans walky storyline
Needfuldoer
Will a supernatural anomaly in an alternate universe suffice?
RassilonTDavros
Honestly that was my read on that line, too.
Azhrei Vep
Thirded. Carla is clearly saying that Female is the correct gender and Male is incorrect, and that Walky has potential as a woman.
TulipKitten
I mean, she’s seen Sal, so makes sense.
Dday
No same here I’m totally mystified
sultryglebe
And yet isn’t the vote of confidence sweet?
Mr D
nnno it’s not. Like, imagine someone walked up to a woman and told them “You may be worth my time if you were a man”
HueSatLight
I think panel 6 is him trying to get some kind of reaction from Carla. I think he’s reluctant to have sex with Lucy, but he also thinks church+sex is hilarious. I could be wrong, I’m not reading much in particular from his panel 6 face.
Daibhid C
You should maybe recount the panels.
HueSatLight
I’m zero-based indexing, obviously. ?
SvenTS
Sal, to my knowledge, is not interested in women.
Not-Sal (Walky) *is* interested in women and could potentially be made more Sal-like (and have his taste in cartoons ‘corrected’)
(So ‘correct gender’ being ‘my gender’ from Carla’s perspective in this circumstance)
David DeLaney
for the first part, we have medium-strong evidence for that from Sal being actively disinterested in her best friend for years, Marcie’s, interest
–Dave, and of course the confirmations with Jason
Thag Simmons