Give the appearance of honesty to maintain your version of events.
Needfuldoer
Anything can be the truth if you just believe it hard enough! That’s what modern politics is all about! Truthiness!
… *long audible groan of existential dread*
anonymousethatscurriesinthedarkness
Belief is not a requirement. Only the continuous repetition of the message until such time as the message becomes the truth.
Oh and such obfuscation and denial of reality has been part and parcel of the foundation of every government ever formed.
jflb96
Ah, I see you’ve discovered the hyperproblem.
thejeff
To steal from Colbert, we’ve gone well beyond truthiness. We’re into Trumpiness now.
Yes. Very much so. Unless it’s square. You can’t square Pi(e).
Well. You CAN, but 9.869604401089359 isn’t all THAT interesting.
Catt
That’s circular reasoning.
Demoted Oblivious
Only tangentially so…
Needfuldoer
Square pizza is usually nasty, anyway.
raultsi
not Cristaldi’s of Seabrook NH. Square and it doesn’t even come with cheese. Cheese is extra, and it’s a slice of provolone. I know, sounds like blasphemy, but wait. Get the cheese and pepperoni. There are times when I gladly drive the hour plus that it takes to get there from here. If I ever go near Hampton Beach, I try to make it there, too. Mmm. Cristaldi’s. It’s been way too long since I’ve gone. God, i hope they’re still in business.
Needfuldoer
Sorry, whenever I think of square pizza, I think of three things:
– Elio’s frozen pizza-ish rectangles of blandness
– Institutional grade “pizza” as served in school (because “all kids love pizza”)*
– A pizza joint I went to when visiting relatives out in the Rhode Island boonies that basically just slapped canned sauce and pre-shredded cheese on bland bread dough, but “they fill the whole box” so it’s allegedly a good value. At least fry vinegar gave it a little flavor.
*Come to think of it, I think school cafeteria pizza is Elio’s…
milu
Sorry, whenever I think of Elio I think “Call me by your name and I’ll call you by yours” followed by breathy iterations of “Elio… Elio…” and “Oliver… Oliver” and then I forget all about pizza. peaches may be involved in that train of thought at some point, though.
What, you mean, like, citizens of the entire rest of the world?
Demoted Oblivious
You neglect those enlightened few who follow the path of the odometer, the International Standards Organization, the alphanumerically sortable, and only well-bethought and well-defined format. We are legion, we are the 8601st. In another 78 years when people are /again complaining that we didn’t learn enough from y2k (or 17years, unix epoch), the 8601st will stand tall on the pillars of their legible datetimes, and they will laugh.
yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss (and so on) +TZ/UTC offset, if needed.
All else are heretics. Why MM vs mm? Because Months are bigger than minutes. Why HH not hh? Because 12 hour time needs more characters. Why biggest to smallest, left to right? Because maths (and thence science) has standardized on it. Why dashes(-) not slahes(/)? Because slashes have been corrupted, and I will fight you if you abuse dashes in a messed up usage with an old arrangement. (yes I’ve seen it done, and yes I left a smoking hole of ashes behind)
Given the number of so-called ‘educated’ people who still pronounce February as ‘FEB-yoo-air-ee’, nuclear as ‘NOO-que-lar’, or insist on ‘aksing’ a question, I think we can let Robin have a pass on this one.
or maybe we can even stop considering that deviations from an arbitrary linguistic standard have anything to do with a person’s worth, intellectual or otherwise?
Demoted Oblivious
That’s an interesting point, but it does raise questions for a person when communicating with another and they reveal aspects denoting ignorance on a topic. Since there isn’t a clearly defined boundary, all of these things present as markers that influence an animal’s measure of others in their environment. As a result, it will cause others to hear ignorance even if it is not the intent of the speaker to broadcast it.
Do I care if my mechanic worries about nookular war or a meltdown? No, since it is not (yet) relevant to the operation of my vehicle. Do I care if the people who build and maintain nuclear power systems, and wield the keys to a nuclear holocaust understand what they are responsible for? Damn right I do.
milu
Nah, pedantry is just pedantry. Except for all those times when it’s actually prejudice. The way I see it, linguistic value judgments are among the most pervasive and least challenged proxies for class-, race-, and gender-based discrimination.
The problem with a dumbass in a position of power is with them being a dumbass, not whether they speak in a dialect some associate with a lack of education. Indeed, many dumbasses speak perfect English. It’s just not relevant.
milu
(….and by “perfect English” i mean an upper-class dialect, such as BBC english in the UK)
thejeff
Yeah, a lot of this kind of thing is just dialect. Nothing to do with intellect or education, just growing up with different pronunciations.
—By which I don’t mean pronouncing the r is wrong, but that it’s a regional dialect. Both are correct.
Bicycle Bill
No, it is NOT silent … or at least it wasn’t supposed to be. But if you get enough people to say or spell something incorrectly, eventually you can get someone to go along with you when you say it’s ‘an alternative version’ or ‘a regional dialect’. Next thing you know, it’s in a dictionary somewhere (even if it’s only ‘Partridge’s Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English’ — or even worse, the online ‘Urban Dictionary’), and from that point it’s “Katie, bar the door”.
Bicycle Bill
By the way, Willis … do we have a ‘Katie’ or a ‘Katherine’ in the cast yet? And if not, why not?
milu
Pah, Proto-Indo-Europeans scoff at your newfangled pronunciation of “February”, which I am sure you pretend to defend using some trendy fascicule such as Webster’s Third.
Any self-respecting PIE knows it is pronounced “dʰegʷʰris”. Scoff! Scoff!
milu
ugh, I’m being silly and probably not even getting my point across. Languages evolve is all I’m saying. It’s a perfectly normal and innocuous process (at least in hegemonic languages like english). But hey, to each their windmills, god knows i have mine (such as engaging in this sort of argument in a bloody comment thread… will i ever learn.)
thejeff
I’m pretty sure the multiple pronunciations predate consistent spelling. Especially for something as old and multilingual as February.
If we’re quoting dictionaries, the silent r pronunciation is listed in Merriam-Webster first as the more common pronunciation.
Pronouncing the r is still acceptable, though, so don’t worry.
milu
btw, I’d like to highly warmly fondly recommend an excellent book called “The Story of Ain’t” by David Skinner. It’s a delightful account of the publication of Webster’s 3rd edition in 1961. The first two editions had been heavily prescriptivist, and the 3rd edition took something of a turn towards descriptivism, and it got serious flak for it. It might sound dry or arcane, but it’s not, it’s a super fun read, as long as you’re even mildly interested in language.
They found the body of former Congresswoman Robin DeSanto on the ground outside the building’s teacher’s lounge. It appeared the former Congresswoman had been strangled and then defenestrated by a colleague. Fellow faculty present at the scene commented, “Yeah, that’s fair.”
182 thoughts on “Perfesser”
Ana Chronistic
well, at least she’s honest
what does that say about her qualifications to teach Poli-Sci yuk yuk
He Who Abides
Is she, though?
RowenMorland
Give the appearance of honesty to maintain your version of events.
Needfuldoer
Anything can be the truth if you just believe it hard enough! That’s what modern politics is all about! Truthiness!
… *long audible groan of existential dread*
anonymousethatscurriesinthedarkness
Belief is not a requirement. Only the continuous repetition of the message until such time as the message becomes the truth.
Oh and such obfuscation and denial of reality has been part and parcel of the foundation of every government ever formed.
jflb96
Ah, I see you’ve discovered the hyperproblem.
thejeff
To steal from Colbert, we’ve gone well beyond truthiness. We’re into Trumpiness now.
lightsabermario
She’s honest when it’s convenient for her. That sounds like a perfect poly-sci professor.
Wagstaff
Happy Pi day everyone! How do you celebrate?
Doctor_Who
By performing the sacred ritual of “Huh, Guess It Is” and then forgetting about it for 365 days.
Rainhat
That, yes.
BBCC
Me.
a/snow/mous/e
happy ides of march, remember to beware your impending death
Stephen Bierce
Be There Or Swallow Fire
Clif
Et tu, Snow Mouse?
Proxiehunter
Damn, I forgot. I could have had some pie today. Does a pizza pie count?
SeanR
Yes. Very much so. Unless it’s square. You can’t square Pi(e).
Well. You CAN, but 9.869604401089359 isn’t all THAT interesting.
Catt
That’s circular reasoning.
Demoted Oblivious
Only tangentially so…
Needfuldoer
Square pizza is usually nasty, anyway.
raultsi
not Cristaldi’s of Seabrook NH. Square and it doesn’t even come with cheese. Cheese is extra, and it’s a slice of provolone. I know, sounds like blasphemy, but wait. Get the cheese and pepperoni. There are times when I gladly drive the hour plus that it takes to get there from here. If I ever go near Hampton Beach, I try to make it there, too. Mmm. Cristaldi’s. It’s been way too long since I’ve gone. God, i hope they’re still in business.
Needfuldoer
Sorry, whenever I think of square pizza, I think of three things:
– Elio’s frozen pizza-ish rectangles of blandness
– Institutional grade “pizza” as served in school (because “all kids love pizza”)*
– A pizza joint I went to when visiting relatives out in the Rhode Island boonies that basically just slapped canned sauce and pre-shredded cheese on bland bread dough, but “they fill the whole box” so it’s allegedly a good value. At least fry vinegar gave it a little flavor.
*Come to think of it, I think school cafeteria pizza is Elio’s…
milu
Sorry, whenever I think of Elio I think “Call me by your name and I’ll call you by yours” followed by breathy iterations of “Elio… Elio…” and “Oliver… Oliver” and then I forget all about pizza. peaches may be involved in that train of thought at some point, though.
brionl
I didn’t have any pie, so I had cake instead.
Eclipsa
My reminder that it was Pi day came in the form of a notification from the Domino’s app. So yes, it absolutely counts.
SeanR
With pi(e). Both chicken pot, and chocolate. We divided the chocolate into Radians, rather than sixths, so there will be a tiny slice left over later.
Also by wearing a t-shirt I purchased off a once-interesting company that has since been absorbed into the Seattle Monolith that ate retail.
Deanatay
You monster! Who gets stuck with the slightly-more-than-a-quarter slice??
(Actually as I get older, a quarter slice is usually enough for me, I’ll take it.)
Bicycle Bill
And if you are one of the people who persist in putting the date before the month, you get to celebrate it again on 22/7.
Demoted Oblivious
You. are. a. monster.
Geneseepaws
Had both pizza, then peach pie. Sadly, both with round off errors. :—(
@opus: was it a TI-65? Or a Casio?
Stifyn Baker
What, you mean, like, citizens of the entire rest of the world?
Demoted Oblivious
You neglect those enlightened few who follow the path of the odometer, the International Standards Organization, the alphanumerically sortable, and only well-bethought and well-defined format. We are legion, we are the 8601st. In another 78 years when people are /again complaining that we didn’t learn enough from y2k (or 17years, unix epoch), the 8601st will stand tall on the pillars of their legible datetimes, and they will laugh.
yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss (and so on) +TZ/UTC offset, if needed.
All else are heretics. Why MM vs mm? Because Months are bigger than minutes. Why HH not hh? Because 12 hour time needs more characters. Why biggest to smallest, left to right? Because maths (and thence science) has standardized on it. Why dashes(-) not slahes(/)? Because slashes have been corrupted, and I will fight you if you abuse dashes in a messed up usage with an old arrangement. (yes I’ve seen it done, and yes I left a smoking hole of ashes behind)
Needfuldoer
ISO 8601 or bust.
Demoted Oblivious
Exactly!
Dean
By reading DoA an hour earlier, since US daylight savings time just started.
Wagstaff
All excellent!
I celebrated by memorizing yet another 50 digits.
Roborat
And here I thought there was only 10 digits.
RacingTurtle
Pizza, despite the fact that we had McGriddles for breakfast and therefore had intended to have a healthier dinner. But it was Pi Day!
Demoted Oblivious
By protesting the use of Pi and advocating for Tau (6.28…). Then planning for the assasination of Caesar and the ides of March.
Opus the Poet
The usual, ate pie, and plugged equations using pi into my calculator…
fridge_logic
I can’t believe I went all but the last 35 minutes of pie day without know it’s pie day.
anonymousethatscurriesinthedarkness
Defrost, heat up and consume a most awesome and scrumptious blueberry pie with a delicate and flaky crust.
Concolor44
Had chicken pot pie for supper and cherry ? pie ? for dessert!
Sirksome
I’d feel more comfortable about Robin being a professor if she could spell the word….Uh I mean pronounce the word?
Bicycle Bill
Given the number of so-called ‘educated’ people who still pronounce February as ‘FEB-yoo-air-ee’, nuclear as ‘NOO-que-lar’, or insist on ‘aksing’ a question, I think we can let Robin have a pass on this one.
Concolor44
… ouch
milu
or maybe we can even stop considering that deviations from an arbitrary linguistic standard have anything to do with a person’s worth, intellectual or otherwise?
Demoted Oblivious
That’s an interesting point, but it does raise questions for a person when communicating with another and they reveal aspects denoting ignorance on a topic. Since there isn’t a clearly defined boundary, all of these things present as markers that influence an animal’s measure of others in their environment. As a result, it will cause others to hear ignorance even if it is not the intent of the speaker to broadcast it.
Do I care if my mechanic worries about nookular war or a meltdown? No, since it is not (yet) relevant to the operation of my vehicle. Do I care if the people who build and maintain nuclear power systems, and wield the keys to a nuclear holocaust understand what they are responsible for? Damn right I do.
milu
Nah, pedantry is just pedantry. Except for all those times when it’s actually prejudice. The way I see it, linguistic value judgments are among the most pervasive and least challenged proxies for class-, race-, and gender-based discrimination.
The problem with a dumbass in a position of power is with them being a dumbass, not whether they speak in a dialect some associate with a lack of education. Indeed, many dumbasses speak perfect English. It’s just not relevant.
milu
(….and by “perfect English” i mean an upper-class dialect, such as BBC english in the UK)
thejeff
Yeah, a lot of this kind of thing is just dialect. Nothing to do with intellect or education, just growing up with different pronunciations.
Regalli
Cosigned.
Demoted Oblivious
Resh zig glarp zib nub zoot raggle stosh.
zee
You are very smart I’m sure
Let people pronounce things how they do, ever heard of an accent?
DaisyFM
That’s how you’re supposed to pronounce February. The r is silent.
DaisyFM
—By which I don’t mean pronouncing the r is wrong, but that it’s a regional dialect. Both are correct.
Bicycle Bill
No, it is NOT silent … or at least it wasn’t supposed to be. But if you get enough people to say or spell something incorrectly, eventually you can get someone to go along with you when you say it’s ‘an alternative version’ or ‘a regional dialect’. Next thing you know, it’s in a dictionary somewhere (even if it’s only ‘Partridge’s Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English’ — or even worse, the online ‘Urban Dictionary’), and from that point it’s “Katie, bar the door”.
Bicycle Bill
By the way, Willis … do we have a ‘Katie’ or a ‘Katherine’ in the cast yet? And if not, why not?
milu
Pah, Proto-Indo-Europeans scoff at your newfangled pronunciation of “February”, which I am sure you pretend to defend using some trendy fascicule such as Webster’s Third.
Any self-respecting PIE knows it is pronounced “dʰegʷʰris”. Scoff! Scoff!
milu
ugh, I’m being silly and probably not even getting my point across. Languages evolve is all I’m saying. It’s a perfectly normal and innocuous process (at least in hegemonic languages like english). But hey, to each their windmills, god knows i have mine (such as engaging in this sort of argument in a bloody comment thread… will i ever learn.)
thejeff
I’m pretty sure the multiple pronunciations predate consistent spelling. Especially for something as old and multilingual as February.
DaisyFM
If we’re quoting dictionaries, the silent r pronunciation is listed in Merriam-Webster first as the more common pronunciation.
Pronouncing the r is still acceptable, though, so don’t worry.
milu
btw, I’d like to highly warmly fondly recommend an excellent book called “The Story of Ain’t” by David Skinner. It’s a delightful account of the publication of Webster’s 3rd edition in 1961. The first two editions had been heavily prescriptivist, and the 3rd edition took something of a turn towards descriptivism, and it got serious flak for it. It might sound dry or arcane, but it’s not, it’s a super fun read, as long as you’re even mildly interested in language.
DaisyFM
Thanks. I’ll take a look.
BBCC
They found the body of former Congresswoman Robin DeSanto on the ground outside the building’s teacher’s lounge. It appeared the former Congresswoman had been strangled and then defenestrated by a colleague. Fellow faculty present at the scene commented, “Yeah, that’s fair.”
BBCC
Oooh, Amber! I’m more than okay with that.
Sirksome
More than okay with Amber. But will I be more than okay with this reroll!?!?
Sirksome
Actually yeah. Super okay with it! I wasn’t setup to be humbled with a Walky or anything!
BBCC
Yay, Carla!
zee
Hell yeah
Scolopendra
New icons?
Scolopendra
Ah barnacles.
Thag Simmons
Is it bad that I still want them to hook up?