… unless, of course, you don’t have a grave, because you gave up your humanity to become a horrible magic undead creature.
You know what they say:
Liches get stitches
SgtWadeyWilson
Is it bad that every time I imagine being any kind of undead one of the perks is that I’d be ‘living’ t my grave? Like, sleeping in a coffin and spending time in a tomb sounds like a goth dream come true.
Khyrin
Surely you can achieve that without becoming undead, though. let the Inner Goth out into the moonlight to make sweet music of the night!
I imagine it gets boring after a few years, unless there’s wifi down there
Joe
Most liches don’t particularly care for the eternal undying life, they’re mostly in it to justify their spooky aesthetic.
FacelessDeviant
You. I like you.
Roborat
That was truly brilliant. How long did it take you to come up with that?
someone
“Liches get stitches” is what the protagonist of The Sword Interval wears on the back of her jacket. TSI is a really good comic that I can’t recommend enough. Completely different genre from DOA though. It’s on
I think Amber might make the associations that if he hadn’t called the cops she never woulda taken Ethan hostage and escalated the whole stand up situation. If so, I’m more inclined to worry about amber flying into a rage and murdering Asher, rather than Sal at any rate.
Honestly, I think she’s less likely to explode on him than Walky might be. Like, I doubt she’s going to be thrilled, but I wonder. I imagine she’s going to want to know the *why*, in any case.
Probably to throw the cops at someone still committing a robbery as an active crime to give himself and his cronies more time to get away and cover up their involvement in the first one. And like, it did end up with both robberies pinned on Sal, so looks like it worked.
That seems like a lot of planning for a 13 year old.
Bob
Specially one that still smokes several years later.
ditrysia
What does that have to do with anything? Smoking doesn’t say anything about someone’s intelligence or ability to plan. It’s hard to quit, specially if you started that young.
Sam
Not really. The second robbery wasn’t planned. And it doesn’t take much thought to come up with a plan of essentially ‘wasn’t me, she did it!’ when the opportunity arises. And even if you want to insist a 13 year old wouldn’t think of that, his older brother was there too and could have been the one who convinced him to do it.
Alanari
This whole thing relies on sal not giving the police the namens of those who did the first robbery. I mean, a twelve year old facing prison might react unexpectedly.
Plus, there’s a chance that there still were fingerprints of one of them on the knife (it was a present). There definitely are fingerprints on the money they passed her.
I’m really really curious about the why part. This seems to be an unnecessary risk for me.
thejeff
Yup. Seems really weird. Sal wouldn’t be obviously linked to the first robbery – didn’t go in, wasn’t seen by anyone there, wouldn’t be on camera, the second was solo while the first had multiple people.
Any attempt to pin the first on her would lead to a lot of pressure to identify the other parties.
Alanari
Asher didn’t know about the second robbery I think. She didn’t say what she wanted to do and they probably didn’t stay around to find out. So the cops were most likely called because of the first robbery. Plus, two crimes at the same time in the same area and the one who commited the second robbery had a whole lot of cash with them. Cash she definitely shouldn’t have. Wonder how those two are connected.
Since walky knew about both robberies, her involvement in the first robbery probably became known somehow. It would have been a miracle if not.
thejeff
But Asher called the cops on Sal during the second robbery. That’s why they showed up while she was trying to rob it. Him calling them about the first one doesn’t fit what happened or what he said.
The cash is an interesting point, but it just makes it weirder. The cops will want to know where the rest of the cash is, which will make it harder for them to pretend she acted alone in the first robbery and thus more likely for her to roll over on the rest of the gang.
Alanari
Hm. Perhaps asher actually did watch and had enough human decency to call for help as soon as a life was in danger? That threatening a child was a red line for him?
Or he just called the cops and the second robbery was just a coincidence? And he just added that for clarification?
BBCC
The police showed up before Sal took Ethan hostage.
thejeff
Or he called the cops on the second robbery because he recognized the signs that she was plotting it when she asked to be let off at the other store. He has been shown to be perceptive.
He knew her situation, and knew that getting into crime wouldn’t help Marcie. He probably called the cops before Sal even started the robbery, which is how they showed up so quickly.
The question is, why did he do it though, considering they robbed the first one? Not to mention he must have known to some level that Sal would be doing it for benevolent reasons (re:Marcie).
Or y’know, he got a sudden flash of conscience after he dropped Sal off.
Got paranoid that the rest of them would be caught and figured that, no matter how much she might complain about her mother, a rich kid like Sal was significantly more likely to walk away from being caught without facing seriously repercussions than the rest of them?
(I’m wondering if this is only a shocking twist to Walky, hitting him in his resolution to be a better brother, and if it might be old news to Sal; just asking to pass on an apology without any further detail until it’s asked for implies that he expects her to know just what he felt sorry for.)
Walky knew asher so their parents probably knew him, too. His name is likely to pop up when her parents get asked about possible associates. And then there is the money. I didn’t see gloves when they passed sal on the truck so there probably are fingerprints in the shop and definitely on the money they passed her. Possibly on the knife they gave her. Giving the police a clue to where to search for the matching person for said fingerprints is dumb.
I’m really curious about the why.
Ron
That is assuming the police will keep looking even when they caught a single suspect red-handed. They may ask whether others assisted but if Sal doesn’t tell – which is likely as they were friends and Sal has a sense of honour – the police likely won’t spend time and resources to get an answer from fingerprints.
The why is a really big question though.
thejeff
Except that any witness testimony from the first place will be about multiple male robbers, not one little girl. Or video evidence.
Alanari
She only had at most a fourth of the missing money from the first place and she travelled to the second place pretty fast but does not have a car. Also, she’s twelve.
So yes, I’m definitely assuming that they will look for other suspects. And there is a possibility that they were involved in the hostage thing as well. A child being held at knife point usually leads to a whole lot more effort than a bit of money.
I mean, asher is innocent regarding that specifc crime, but he could have been involved from the investigators point of view. So they have to check.
BBCC
Thirteen.
Alanari
Oh. Yeah. Right. Thanks^^
BBCC
No problem. Sal WAS 12 when Marcie lost her voice, and 13 during the robberies (she told Joyce “rob convenience stores at 13 and see how many [therapists] you meet’.
Can the Bolts win now? I’m willing to sacrifice as many Timbits as needed
Marsh Maryrose
I assume you’re referring to the Tampa Bay Lightning, but ironically enough, there is a minor league hockey team in Evansville, the Thunderbolts (aka the Bolts).
(It’s ironic because Evansville is where Asher and Sal and Walky are from.)
Not punished. Amber was hating herself because she attacked Sal after she was already restrained. She wanted a fair fight to prove she would have won after all, lessening the guilt of what she did.
And eventually it morphed into wanting HERSELF punished.
The differences being A) Sal WAS punished for the robbery while Asher (so far as we know) was not, B) Amber stabbed Sal while she was being arrested and restrained at the prompting of her shithead dad – Sal possibly wanting Asher to face consequences for backstabbing her is different because she never did anything to Asher, and C) Ethan very explicitly wanted to let Sal be. We don’t know how Sal would feel about this. It could go either way, but assuming she would decide ‘it’s on now’, that would also be important to take into consideration as the person who was screwed over.
Alanari
Did we know they weren’t punished? Because if they got caught that evening, this would make more sense. They might have cooperated with the police and told them where to find sal.
Anyway, I suspect sal knows about this. Would explain her dislike for snitches
thejeff
Though he says “called the police on her”, which implies he contacted them and given the timeline, it would have to have been right after they dropped her off.
I Wonder what asher’s motivation was for calling the cops? Did sal take it too far with the hostage taking of ethan? Did asher freak out early on, or was he just feeling guilty? Is amber going to freak out yet again? Will amazi-girl do a hostile takeover? How will that play out with walky there?
I was trying to figure out what his motivation could have been, and I think I found it.
Scapegoat.
If two stores are robbed, and the cops catch one black kid acting alone at the second store, they’re probably less likely to keep searching for the first robbers. So since he knew what she was doing, and also that she was trying to get a cut all to herself, he called the cops.
The second bit there is something I came up while writing this. Bit of an abusive thing, either she’s with him, or she gets nothing. No good running around being a thug if your underlings figure they can do easier without you.
Maybe he got immunity or something for the first robbery? Or it at least helped his case? Like, he pinned the first one on Sal after he called the second one in and it helped his case somehow?
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Ana Chronistic
A law-abiding citizen who clearly doesn’t want to live anymore, huh
Leorale
Yeah seriously. That’s the kind of secret you take to your grave.
Leorale
… unless, of course, you don’t have a grave, because you gave up your humanity to become a horrible magic undead creature.
You know what they say:
Liches get stitches
SgtWadeyWilson
Is it bad that every time I imagine being any kind of undead one of the perks is that I’d be ‘living’ t my grave? Like, sleeping in a coffin and spending time in a tomb sounds like a goth dream come true.
Khyrin
Surely you can achieve that without becoming undead, though. let the Inner Goth out into the moonlight to make sweet music of the night!
Darkoneko
I imagine it gets boring after a few years, unless there’s wifi down there
Joe
Most liches don’t particularly care for the eternal undying life, they’re mostly in it to justify their spooky aesthetic.
FacelessDeviant
You. I like you.
Roborat
That was truly brilliant. How long did it take you to come up with that?
someone
“Liches get stitches” is what the protagonist of The Sword Interval wears on the back of her jacket. TSI is a really good comic that I can’t recommend enough. Completely different genre from DOA though. It’s on
Vukodlak
Or he assumes Sal knows he called the cops
BBCC
I don’t think Sal is going to hurt him. She just got back in Marcie’s good graces.
First time Marcie leaves town though, Asher? Run. Like. Hell.
Rezby
I think Amber might make the associations that if he hadn’t called the cops she never woulda taken Ethan hostage and escalated the whole stand up situation. If so, I’m more inclined to worry about amber flying into a rage and murdering Asher, rather than Sal at any rate.
Shane Wegner
I think she’d be like “things have already played out how they played out. Still, dick move.”
BBCC
I’m being 95% facetious. Sal’s trying to stay out of the punching game.
Jack Faire
Unless he thought she knew
ObiKemnebi
….Oh, shiznit
Victor Riley
Hmmm… interesting.
There’s a big chance that Sal will want to take it out on him… throwing her own progress back a lot.
But it’s curious why he did that in the first place.
DailyBrad
Honestly, I think she’s less likely to explode on him than Walky might be. Like, I doubt she’s going to be thrilled, but I wonder. I imagine she’s going to want to know the *why*, in any case.
Sam
Probably to throw the cops at someone still committing a robbery as an active crime to give himself and his cronies more time to get away and cover up their involvement in the first one. And like, it did end up with both robberies pinned on Sal, so looks like it worked.
C.T Phipps
That seems like a lot of planning for a 13 year old.
Bob
Specially one that still smokes several years later.
ditrysia
What does that have to do with anything? Smoking doesn’t say anything about someone’s intelligence or ability to plan. It’s hard to quit, specially if you started that young.
Sam
Not really. The second robbery wasn’t planned. And it doesn’t take much thought to come up with a plan of essentially ‘wasn’t me, she did it!’ when the opportunity arises. And even if you want to insist a 13 year old wouldn’t think of that, his older brother was there too and could have been the one who convinced him to do it.
Alanari
This whole thing relies on sal not giving the police the namens of those who did the first robbery. I mean, a twelve year old facing prison might react unexpectedly.
Plus, there’s a chance that there still were fingerprints of one of them on the knife (it was a present). There definitely are fingerprints on the money they passed her.
I’m really really curious about the why part. This seems to be an unnecessary risk for me.
thejeff
Yup. Seems really weird. Sal wouldn’t be obviously linked to the first robbery – didn’t go in, wasn’t seen by anyone there, wouldn’t be on camera, the second was solo while the first had multiple people.
Any attempt to pin the first on her would lead to a lot of pressure to identify the other parties.
Alanari
Asher didn’t know about the second robbery I think. She didn’t say what she wanted to do and they probably didn’t stay around to find out. So the cops were most likely called because of the first robbery. Plus, two crimes at the same time in the same area and the one who commited the second robbery had a whole lot of cash with them. Cash she definitely shouldn’t have. Wonder how those two are connected.
Since walky knew about both robberies, her involvement in the first robbery probably became known somehow. It would have been a miracle if not.
thejeff
But Asher called the cops on Sal during the second robbery. That’s why they showed up while she was trying to rob it. Him calling them about the first one doesn’t fit what happened or what he said.
The cash is an interesting point, but it just makes it weirder. The cops will want to know where the rest of the cash is, which will make it harder for them to pretend she acted alone in the first robbery and thus more likely for her to roll over on the rest of the gang.
Alanari
Hm. Perhaps asher actually did watch and had enough human decency to call for help as soon as a life was in danger? That threatening a child was a red line for him?
Or he just called the cops and the second robbery was just a coincidence? And he just added that for clarification?
BBCC
The police showed up before Sal took Ethan hostage.
thejeff
Or he called the cops on the second robbery because he recognized the signs that she was plotting it when she asked to be let off at the other store. He has been shown to be perceptive.
OzTheTerrible
He knew her situation, and knew that getting into crime wouldn’t help Marcie. He probably called the cops before Sal even started the robbery, which is how they showed up so quickly.
Bladeglory
Congratulations to the people who guessed it. Wowzers…
Clif
It doesn’t count as me guessing it unless it turns out that Mike talked him into it.
DailyBrad
I, uhh, well, oof. Here’s hoping Walky doesn’t flip. (he might very well flip)
Nono
The question is, why did he do it though, considering they robbed the first one? Not to mention he must have known to some level that Sal would be doing it for benevolent reasons (re:Marcie).
Or y’know, he got a sudden flash of conscience after he dropped Sal off.
DailyBrad
I get the impression he’d have known about Marcie’s situation, yeah.
Cass
Got paranoid that the rest of them would be caught and figured that, no matter how much she might complain about her mother, a rich kid like Sal was significantly more likely to walk away from being caught without facing seriously repercussions than the rest of them?
(I’m wondering if this is only a shocking twist to Walky, hitting him in his resolution to be a better brother, and if it might be old news to Sal; just asking to pass on an apology without any further detail until it’s asked for implies that he expects her to know just what he felt sorry for.)
Alanari
Walky knew asher so their parents probably knew him, too. His name is likely to pop up when her parents get asked about possible associates. And then there is the money. I didn’t see gloves when they passed sal on the truck so there probably are fingerprints in the shop and definitely on the money they passed her. Possibly on the knife they gave her. Giving the police a clue to where to search for the matching person for said fingerprints is dumb.
I’m really curious about the why.
Ron
That is assuming the police will keep looking even when they caught a single suspect red-handed. They may ask whether others assisted but if Sal doesn’t tell – which is likely as they were friends and Sal has a sense of honour – the police likely won’t spend time and resources to get an answer from fingerprints.
The why is a really big question though.
thejeff
Except that any witness testimony from the first place will be about multiple male robbers, not one little girl. Or video evidence.
Alanari
She only had at most a fourth of the missing money from the first place and she travelled to the second place pretty fast but does not have a car. Also, she’s twelve.
So yes, I’m definitely assuming that they will look for other suspects. And there is a possibility that they were involved in the hostage thing as well. A child being held at knife point usually leads to a whole lot more effort than a bit of money.
I mean, asher is innocent regarding that specifc crime, but he could have been involved from the investigators point of view. So they have to check.
BBCC
Thirteen.
Alanari
Oh. Yeah. Right. Thanks^^
BBCC
No problem. Sal WAS 12 when Marcie lost her voice, and 13 during the robberies (she told Joyce “rob convenience stores at 13 and see how many [therapists] you meet’.
shadowcell
if you strike him down, he’ll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. for example, he’ll be able to cause the Maple Leafs to win.
DailyBrad
I dunno, that’d take a lot of goddamn power.
shadowcell
the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be…unnatural.
chris2315
Is it possible to learn this power?
Keulen
Not from a Jedi.
Roborat
Look for a wall with strange glowing letters engraved in it. Be careful though, they tend to be guarded by dragons.
Chrisashtear
The blues and the caps won, i think the world is effectively broken
CMasta
Can the Bolts win now? I’m willing to sacrifice as many Timbits as needed
Marsh Maryrose
I assume you’re referring to the Tampa Bay Lightning, but ironically enough, there is a minor league hockey team in Evansville, the Thunderbolts (aka the Bolts).
(It’s ironic because Evansville is where Asher and Sal and Walky are from.)
Schpoonman
Did you know that kiais can actually help stress levels in real life? It’s not just for anime or video games.
Masumi
I did get weird looks from my flatmate when I used one before cleaning the kitchen, though.
Kravis
Oh, it’s on now, motherf****r.
C.T Phipps
I feel like that attitude is like Amber wanting to have Sal punished for what she did to Ethan a decade later.
AntJ
Not punished. Amber was hating herself because she attacked Sal after she was already restrained. She wanted a fair fight to prove she would have won after all, lessening the guilt of what she did.
And eventually it morphed into wanting HERSELF punished.
BBCC
The differences being A) Sal WAS punished for the robbery while Asher (so far as we know) was not, B) Amber stabbed Sal while she was being arrested and restrained at the prompting of her shithead dad – Sal possibly wanting Asher to face consequences for backstabbing her is different because she never did anything to Asher, and C) Ethan very explicitly wanted to let Sal be. We don’t know how Sal would feel about this. It could go either way, but assuming she would decide ‘it’s on now’, that would also be important to take into consideration as the person who was screwed over.
Alanari
Did we know they weren’t punished? Because if they got caught that evening, this would make more sense. They might have cooperated with the police and told them where to find sal.
Anyway, I suspect sal knows about this. Would explain her dislike for snitches
thejeff
Though he says “called the police on her”, which implies he contacted them and given the timeline, it would have to have been right after they dropped her off.
Alanari
True.
Artschoolrage
BOOM THERE IT IS
I Wonder what asher’s motivation was for calling the cops? Did sal take it too far with the hostage taking of ethan? Did asher freak out early on, or was he just feeling guilty? Is amber going to freak out yet again? Will amazi-girl do a hostile takeover? How will that play out with walky there?
Bladeglory
Sal only took Ethan hostage *after* the cops showed up, so it couldn’t have been that first one.
I have no idea what Asher was thinking. Getting Sal caught risked her exposing the whole gang.
Lexi
I was trying to figure out what his motivation could have been, and I think I found it.
Scapegoat.
If two stores are robbed, and the cops catch one black kid acting alone at the second store, they’re probably less likely to keep searching for the first robbers. So since he knew what she was doing, and also that she was trying to get a cut all to herself, he called the cops.
The second bit there is something I came up while writing this. Bit of an abusive thing, either she’s with him, or she gets nothing. No good running around being a thug if your underlings figure they can do easier without you.
Mordecai
yep
Lacuna
…Shouldn’t you tell her that yourself? I get that it’s an awkward situation, but it seems pretty shitty of you to dump it on Walky.
Woomy
Yo why’d he do that tho
Yumi
Maybe he got immunity or something for the first robbery? Or it at least helped his case? Like, he pinned the first one on Sal after he called the second one in and it helped his case somehow?
Needfuldoer
Nah, they probably just saw an opportunity to disappear into the night and let Sal take the fall for both robberies.
Mordecai
This one makes the most sense to me.