To say that the Desolation of Smaug was better than its predecessors is, I believe, listed in the dictionary as example#1 of “damning with faint praise”.
Also, the *original* Hobbit movie was the animated one from 1977, and all three of the recent ones are pure unbridled shit compared to it. So, yeah.
As someone who loved the new Hobbit movies I will never the less stand by your side. The 1977 animated version is far superior. Here are the problems I personally have: 1. Legolas. I understand that it can from the lore stand point make some sense that Legolas would have been involved in the Battle of Five Armies but he should have been a cameo at the most, not a secondary or at times primary character. 2. Tauriel. They should have nixed that dwarf/elf romance subplot from the get go. 3. Unnecessary padding. Things like the fight/chase with Smaug in the mountains that goes on for much too long. 4. Bolg should have been the big bad Orcish instead of Azog. Azog is supposed to be dead. Not arm cut off. Straight up dead, with his head on a spike and a bag of coins shoved in his mouth. Give his son Bolg more screen time and a believable motive (serving Sauron in exchange for vengeance against the dwarves who killed his father), and you have a great villain. 5. They tried fitting in too much supplemental lore. The War of the Dwarves and Orcs was necessary to be covered, but they added in too much stuff about Sauron. It was nice to know why Gandalf was absent (and the reasons are lore accurate at times) but we easily could have cut out most of the Dol Guldur scenes involving Gandalf. 6. Those motherfucking goats. Tolkien’s dwarves have no form of cavalry, and actually prefer walking to riding anything. In fact the ponies are msinly used as pack animals in the books. Fucking goat cavalry my ass. 7. Not enough Beorn and no explanation for the eagles. Firstly, I know that everyone always complains about those deus ex machina eagles, but at least in the book it’s explained that Gandalf saved their king/chief from an eagle wound, so they like to help out Gandalf whenever they’re in the same area. And Beorn is supposed to be the one who kills Bolg not Legolas!!!! And he’s not even the last of his people, because in LotR his son Grimbeorn is the chieftain of the Beornings, who are protecting the settlers of the Anduin Vale. And like I said, I really enjoyed and still enjoy the Hobbit trilogy. It could have been so much better though, if the studio hadn’t decided they wanted another trilogy!!!
KSClaw
Just adding in that MAN I couldn’t agree more on Beorn. I was so disappointed that they turned him into a… I don’t even know what to call it. Angst plot? When he was far from that. I know they tried making it more action-y and gritty than the original Hobbit book (which was, one must remember, a book that Tolkien had written based on a story he was telling his children). But Beorn was warm and welcoming once Gandalf cleared the way, not a hostile grump who almost killed his guests.
Jenny Islander
Yeah, dang it, and Beorn in the books had a family. I was looking forward to his sons and daughters, the other werebears, and his buddies who were just plain bears. Like, Beorn’s Steading is supposed to be this happy little island of cute clever animals and big hairy cheerful vegetarians and SET FOOT ON OUR LAND, ORC, AND WE WILL KILL YOU AND THE WARG YOU RODE IN ON. If Jackson wanted to angst it up, he could have them remark that they all lived together not because they wanted to but because the %^^&&&%^% goblins wouldn’t let them spread out.
Also I totally wanted a subplot in which Beorn’s missing wife is dead, OK fridge, but he runs into one of the gutsy women of Laketown during the battle and she decides she likes him fine. And he’s all d’awwwww shucks and his big hairy daughters and sons are grinning because look, Berserko-Dad is blushing. And it turns out that the Beornings come from marriages between Beorn’s family and the people of New Esgaroth.
I do have one nitpick with the 1977 cartoon, though. We have a family tradition in our house: When Thranduil says, “Our peep-l have suffurd much from da worrrmmm troo da yeahhhs,”we turn to one another and recite in chorus, “Yeah, he beat you with the Ugly Stick!”
thejeff
Well, in a brief passing mention in the LotR, Beorn had a family or at least one son – Grimbeorn. It’s not clear if he was also a shapechanger. In fact, basically nothing is known about him.
In Beorn’s actual appearance in the Hobbit, there’s no hint at family. Just Beorn and the animals.
Jenny Islander
@The Jeff: There are throwaway lines about “the Beornings” here and there in LOTR. They’re all skinwalkers, and they’re either a really big clan or a small culture-group that happens to share the same magical power. But you’re right, Beorn himself lived alone.
prime_pm
I felt Desolation of Smaug was the worst of the prequels. Theatrically. The Extended Edition, on the other hand, actually made it the BEST of the prequels by adding in the information we needed, including more Beorn scenes and an actual reason for Gandalf to go dicking around Sauron’s crib. All Five Armies Extended added were goat chariots.
You forgot ripped and tall in that description. Also, sexy. If there is a painting of a scene involving Jesus, just look for the sexy one and you’ve found him.
I’ve heard before that the KJV was specifically translated to emphasize the values of the Anglican Church, although I’m not sure to what extent that’s possible or true.
Leorale
It’s certainly the most different from the originals. Oddly, many fundies consider it the -least- tainted by interpretation, which makes baby scholars cry.
Gesc
It’s the Editor’s Pick edition.
iforgetwhatiputhere
You’re not sure it’s possible to skew a translation (from Greek, a language notorious for its words having multiple meanings) to promote a specific set of views? For example “word” in “In the beginning was the word” was “logos” in the greek version, which other than “word” can also mean “reason” (both meanings), “ratio”, and “speech”. Also consider that what currently constitutes scripture as it is accepted by most was decided by various committees over a long period of time (look up “synods” if you are interested).
Daibhid C
Back when the C of E was having it’s most recent debate about woman bishops (where the right side finally won), I read a fascinating webpage about how if you compare the Letters to the Corinthians in the original version and the KJV, there’s a ton of references to women priests that have mysteriously vanished. The page said it was possible these were accidental mistranslations, but it was a weird coincidence how they all went the same way.
iforgetwhatiputhere
I am not going to pretend to be even remotely well read on the subject, but I would very strongly doubt it was accidental. A while ago I read that the conflation of Mary magdalen and the immoral woman that washed Jesus’ feet into the same person eas done many centuries later by a specific pope. You have to wonder, what else has changed or been omitted (e.g. the stories -no joke- about dragons etc)?
Jhon
Well, there’s “Bel and the Dragon” in the apocrypha.
The dragon doesn’t get a very good role though.
thejeff
I’m far from an expert either, but I don’t really buy this. Not that I’d put it past the translators of the KJV, but that I don’t think they were there to start with. I don’t think any of the more modern scholarly translations have those references and those don’t rely on the KJV.
By “original” are you referring to the Vulgate or Greek versions they were working with or to the oldest versions we actually have?
It is thought that some of 1 Cor. might be later interpolation, but that would have been long before King James.
Daibhid C
I’d need to find the webpage again – it was 2014 when I read it. I wouldn’t be surprised to find I was misremembering and the mistranslation came earlier.
The thing I always felt weird with the KJV only folks is that many of them are also the folks that aren’t to hot on gay people. Meanwhile, King James himself is generally considered by most historians to likely have been homosexual or bisexual. Of course they deny it fervently, despite rumors of relationships with multiple male courtiers, plots of blackmail directed at revealing such scandalous affairs. The rumors were so prevalent that Sir Walter Raleigh joked that King Elizabeth had been succeeded by Queen James.
Nothing against King James for being gay of course, what he, the Duke of Buckingham, and the Earl of Somerset did in the privacy of their bedrooms was their own affair. Just appreciating the irony.
CJ
In a book about what we know about Shakespeare (not really much) there was a rumor mentioned that the KJV translation was fine tuned after actual translations by (several) someones skilled in writing, so to make a more readable text.
I didn’t know that you could get executed for blasphemy for (unauthorized lay) translating the bible in those days…
Otter
Yep, just ask
Otter
That should have said “Just ask William Tyndale.” with a wiki link.
Jenny Islander
This is also the same bunch of people who fervently believe that the KJV was divinely dictated and therefore perfect even though the first printed copies include a translators’ foreword that describes the actual process as a bunch of fallible human beings doing the best they could.
Andy
They have to have divine inspiration in there somewhere so they don’t have to say “Because I Said So.”
Ragingagnostic
If you want to consider the irony of secretly homosexual people being the loudest homophobes, you don’t have to point the finger at King James. Just look no further than the Catholic Church and all the scandals of its priests forcing themselves on the altar boys.
thejeff
Note that in general pedophilia and homosexuality aren’t particularly linked. Not just that homosexuals aren’t generally pedophiles, but that attraction to young boys isn’t tied to attraction to adult men. It’s a separate thing, could be someone not attracted to adults at all or to adult women.
“Oh please — the King James Version was specifically supported by a prayerful and divine providence which permitted the Lord to have his true message properly laid out in the vernacular of all true Christians without misconception, whereas desecrations like the New Standard Version or the Greek versions which Apostates point to as ‘proof’ that there are mistranslations (since the true original versions without contradiction have been totally found and everything else are corruptions and tricks laid out by Satan) do not count as divinely inspired and are therefore suspect at best. Don’t get sidetracked!”
(Not an argument I am making up. A Real Thing. I believe there are also versions of the argument that claim the NSV was divinely inspired to correct the errors Satan slipped into the KJV.)
Sigh… do you think that Greeks who do read the New Testament in its original Greek are any more tolerant than Americans who read the New Testament in English?
I don’t really get this argument. I don’t think its an argument at all, I think it’s a *distraction*. You have no reason, none whatsoever, to believe that the original Hebrew & Greek were any more tolerant than the English translations thereof.
It’s not really an exercise in tolerance. It’s an exercise in interpretation coupled with Rules Lawyering, by attempting to use ‘infallible authority’ to support doctrine and invoking authority that is ‘more’ infallible to prove or disprove your position.
In effect, it’s arguing the capacity for Charisma to exceed 18 in the case of Player Characters because Comeliness could go to 25, with earlier and earlier editions being pulled out dating all the way back to Blackmoor and Chainmail. None of it’s about tolerance because every position is inherently intolerant of the others. And none of it is actually relevant to the stated and enacted philosophical or theological bases of the sects in question — Northern Convention Baptists are going to continue to emphasize diversity more than Southern Convention Baptists, Episcopalians are going to continue to have broader and more open doctrines regarding the whos and whys of priesthood than Catholics, and everyone’s going to stare at Westboro Baptist and say “they aren’t with us.”
Which is to say that biblical interpretation and theological foundation are two different fields, but there are always those people who think that the former can trump the latter. Which is true enough, I suppose, if it leads to the inevitable schism of sects.
I get that you were being funny, but I’m kinda into languages so.. Here’s your daily Scandinavian word!
“Bæ”/”Bae” is Danish, not Swedish. The Swedish word for poo is “bajs”. And, funnily enough, the Norwegian word is “baejs”.
Speculations:
Disregarding the fact that people usually don’t go bilingual in a forum where there’s one established common language/lingua franca.. well I don’t know about the Danish (or Norwegian), but I’ve never heard a grownup Swede use the word “bajs”. Everyone says “skit” (meaning “shit”). If I were to say “Jacob is [poop]”, I’d say “Jacob is skit”.
Finally, a strip centering around biblical exegesis! David Willis read my Christmas list!
Also, as a nondenominational/Presbyterian, I 100% agree with Jacob here, and it’s nice to see a fictional representation of that specific ontology. It’s … oddly affirming.
Heck, I’m a Roman Catholic and that jibes with my upbringing. I was unfamiliar with the concept of any virtuous folk going to Hell just for not being Christian until age 8, when a catechist(teacher of Christian doctrine) had to very delicately correct one of my co-students whose Baptist aunt preached Hellfire for the Jews.
Ragingagnostic
I’m an agnostic/atheist and, as far as I’m concerned, Joyce and Jacob both are discussing their invisible friend.
476 thoughts on “Romans”
Ana Chronistic
“and I’m saying did you read the ENGLISH TRANSLATION or the ACTUAL BIBLICAL HEBREW to be making such a bold declaration of misread blasphemy”
Shmuel
This is the New Testament. It’d be the Biblical Greek.
Stephen Bierce
Have I already played “The Greeks Don’t Want No Freaks”?
lefty891
Stephen, you must be an “old fart” like me.
Leorale
The sequel is never as good as the original.
Tyler W Durham
The Empire Strikes Back.
Karasz
The Desolation of Smaug?
begbert2
To say that the Desolation of Smaug was better than its predecessors is, I believe, listed in the dictionary as example#1 of “damning with faint praise”.
Also, the *original* Hobbit movie was the animated one from 1977, and all three of the recent ones are pure unbridled shit compared to it. So, yeah.
Rukduk
As someone who loved the new Hobbit movies I will never the less stand by your side. The 1977 animated version is far superior. Here are the problems I personally have: 1. Legolas. I understand that it can from the lore stand point make some sense that Legolas would have been involved in the Battle of Five Armies but he should have been a cameo at the most, not a secondary or at times primary character. 2. Tauriel. They should have nixed that dwarf/elf romance subplot from the get go. 3. Unnecessary padding. Things like the fight/chase with Smaug in the mountains that goes on for much too long. 4. Bolg should have been the big bad Orcish instead of Azog. Azog is supposed to be dead. Not arm cut off. Straight up dead, with his head on a spike and a bag of coins shoved in his mouth. Give his son Bolg more screen time and a believable motive (serving Sauron in exchange for vengeance against the dwarves who killed his father), and you have a great villain. 5. They tried fitting in too much supplemental lore. The War of the Dwarves and Orcs was necessary to be covered, but they added in too much stuff about Sauron. It was nice to know why Gandalf was absent (and the reasons are lore accurate at times) but we easily could have cut out most of the Dol Guldur scenes involving Gandalf. 6. Those motherfucking goats. Tolkien’s dwarves have no form of cavalry, and actually prefer walking to riding anything. In fact the ponies are msinly used as pack animals in the books. Fucking goat cavalry my ass. 7. Not enough Beorn and no explanation for the eagles. Firstly, I know that everyone always complains about those deus ex machina eagles, but at least in the book it’s explained that Gandalf saved their king/chief from an eagle wound, so they like to help out Gandalf whenever they’re in the same area. And Beorn is supposed to be the one who kills Bolg not Legolas!!!! And he’s not even the last of his people, because in LotR his son Grimbeorn is the chieftain of the Beornings, who are protecting the settlers of the Anduin Vale. And like I said, I really enjoyed and still enjoy the Hobbit trilogy. It could have been so much better though, if the studio hadn’t decided they wanted another trilogy!!!
KSClaw
Just adding in that MAN I couldn’t agree more on Beorn. I was so disappointed that they turned him into a… I don’t even know what to call it. Angst plot? When he was far from that. I know they tried making it more action-y and gritty than the original Hobbit book (which was, one must remember, a book that Tolkien had written based on a story he was telling his children). But Beorn was warm and welcoming once Gandalf cleared the way, not a hostile grump who almost killed his guests.
Jenny Islander
Yeah, dang it, and Beorn in the books had a family. I was looking forward to his sons and daughters, the other werebears, and his buddies who were just plain bears. Like, Beorn’s Steading is supposed to be this happy little island of cute clever animals and big hairy cheerful vegetarians and SET FOOT ON OUR LAND, ORC, AND WE WILL KILL YOU AND THE WARG YOU RODE IN ON. If Jackson wanted to angst it up, he could have them remark that they all lived together not because they wanted to but because the %^^&&&%^% goblins wouldn’t let them spread out.
Also I totally wanted a subplot in which Beorn’s missing wife is dead, OK fridge, but he runs into one of the gutsy women of Laketown during the battle and she decides she likes him fine. And he’s all d’awwwww shucks and his big hairy daughters and sons are grinning because look, Berserko-Dad is blushing. And it turns out that the Beornings come from marriages between Beorn’s family and the people of New Esgaroth.
I do have one nitpick with the 1977 cartoon, though. We have a family tradition in our house: When Thranduil says, “Our peep-l have suffurd much from da worrrmmm troo da yeahhhs,”we turn to one another and recite in chorus, “Yeah, he beat you with the Ugly Stick!”
thejeff
Well, in a brief passing mention in the LotR, Beorn had a family or at least one son – Grimbeorn. It’s not clear if he was also a shapechanger. In fact, basically nothing is known about him.
In Beorn’s actual appearance in the Hobbit, there’s no hint at family. Just Beorn and the animals.
Jenny Islander
@The Jeff: There are throwaway lines about “the Beornings” here and there in LOTR. They’re all skinwalkers, and they’re either a really big clan or a small culture-group that happens to share the same magical power. But you’re right, Beorn himself lived alone.
prime_pm
I felt Desolation of Smaug was the worst of the prequels. Theatrically. The Extended Edition, on the other hand, actually made it the BEST of the prequels by adding in the information we needed, including more Beorn scenes and an actual reason for Gandalf to go dicking around Sauron’s crib. All Five Armies Extended added were goat chariots.
Needfuldoer
Terminator 2.
Rukduk
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.
thebombzen
I liked fellowship better but I also was a sucker for the on-the-run scenes
Shawn L.
Weekend at Bernie’s 2
… hey, taking the absurd premise of the original film, and cranking it up to 11 takes talent.
Charlie Spencer
Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan.
Aeron
The Bible: Be bi-lingual or go to hell.
Spaz
sounds a whole lot kinkier than the church I grew up in.
Jay Eff
Duh– she read the English translation, of course!
English: the official language of Jesus™.
Gesc
White, blue eyed, sporting fancy ombre styled blonde hair Jesus.
Cerberus
He was born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem, Sweden.
Gesc
His father was a humble furniture assembler on Ikea.
It all makes sense now.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
For the temptation in the desert part, recall that deserts don’t have to be hot, just dry.
Sam
It is barrenness + a lack of rain that denotes a desert. Polar deserts are cool.
Deanatay
Oceans can also be deserts. Featureless, no drinkable water – people die of thirst floating on the surface of the largest body of water on the planet.
de Combys
Ha!
Rukduk
You forgot ripped and tall in that description. Also, sexy. If there is a painting of a scene involving Jesus, just look for the sexy one and you’ve found him.
Deanatay
Bishie Jesus is totally a thing.
Hoop
“Let Me Speak Unto Your Manager” Jesus.
Reltzik
Specifically, King James English.
Hoodiecrow
To some, KJV is closer to what God really meant than the original texts.
Fig Lizard
I’ve heard before that the KJV was specifically translated to emphasize the values of the Anglican Church, although I’m not sure to what extent that’s possible or true.
Leorale
It’s certainly the most different from the originals. Oddly, many fundies consider it the -least- tainted by interpretation, which makes baby scholars cry.
Gesc
It’s the Editor’s Pick edition.
iforgetwhatiputhere
You’re not sure it’s possible to skew a translation (from Greek, a language notorious for its words having multiple meanings) to promote a specific set of views? For example “word” in “In the beginning was the word” was “logos” in the greek version, which other than “word” can also mean “reason” (both meanings), “ratio”, and “speech”. Also consider that what currently constitutes scripture as it is accepted by most was decided by various committees over a long period of time (look up “synods” if you are interested).
Daibhid C
Back when the C of E was having it’s most recent debate about woman bishops (where the right side finally won), I read a fascinating webpage about how if you compare the Letters to the Corinthians in the original version and the KJV, there’s a ton of references to women priests that have mysteriously vanished. The page said it was possible these were accidental mistranslations, but it was a weird coincidence how they all went the same way.
iforgetwhatiputhere
I am not going to pretend to be even remotely well read on the subject, but I would very strongly doubt it was accidental. A while ago I read that the conflation of Mary magdalen and the immoral woman that washed Jesus’ feet into the same person eas done many centuries later by a specific pope. You have to wonder, what else has changed or been omitted (e.g. the stories -no joke- about dragons etc)?
Jhon
Well, there’s “Bel and the Dragon” in the apocrypha.
The dragon doesn’t get a very good role though.
thejeff
I’m far from an expert either, but I don’t really buy this. Not that I’d put it past the translators of the KJV, but that I don’t think they were there to start with. I don’t think any of the more modern scholarly translations have those references and those don’t rely on the KJV.
By “original” are you referring to the Vulgate or Greek versions they were working with or to the oldest versions we actually have?
It is thought that some of 1 Cor. might be later interpolation, but that would have been long before King James.
Daibhid C
I’d need to find the webpage again – it was 2014 when I read it. I wouldn’t be surprised to find I was misremembering and the mistranslation came earlier.
Ravian
The thing I always felt weird with the KJV only folks is that many of them are also the folks that aren’t to hot on gay people. Meanwhile, King James himself is generally considered by most historians to likely have been homosexual or bisexual. Of course they deny it fervently, despite rumors of relationships with multiple male courtiers, plots of blackmail directed at revealing such scandalous affairs. The rumors were so prevalent that Sir Walter Raleigh joked that King Elizabeth had been succeeded by Queen James.
Nothing against King James for being gay of course, what he, the Duke of Buckingham, and the Earl of Somerset did in the privacy of their bedrooms was their own affair. Just appreciating the irony.
CJ
In a book about what we know about Shakespeare (not really much) there was a rumor mentioned that the KJV translation was fine tuned after actual translations by (several) someones skilled in writing, so to make a more readable text.
I didn’t know that you could get executed for blasphemy for (unauthorized lay) translating the bible in those days…
Otter
Yep, just ask
Otter
That should have said “Just ask William Tyndale.” with a wiki link.
Jenny Islander
This is also the same bunch of people who fervently believe that the KJV was divinely dictated and therefore perfect even though the first printed copies include a translators’ foreword that describes the actual process as a bunch of fallible human beings doing the best they could.
Andy
They have to have divine inspiration in there somewhere so they don’t have to say “Because I Said So.”
Ragingagnostic
If you want to consider the irony of secretly homosexual people being the loudest homophobes, you don’t have to point the finger at King James. Just look no further than the Catholic Church and all the scandals of its priests forcing themselves on the altar boys.
thejeff
Note that in general pedophilia and homosexuality aren’t particularly linked. Not just that homosexuals aren’t generally pedophiles, but that attraction to young boys isn’t tied to attraction to adult men. It’s a separate thing, could be someone not attracted to adults at all or to adult women.
Eric Burns-White
“Oh please — the King James Version was specifically supported by a prayerful and divine providence which permitted the Lord to have his true message properly laid out in the vernacular of all true Christians without misconception, whereas desecrations like the New Standard Version or the Greek versions which Apostates point to as ‘proof’ that there are mistranslations (since the true original versions without contradiction have been totally found and everything else are corruptions and tricks laid out by Satan) do not count as divinely inspired and are therefore suspect at best. Don’t get sidetracked!”
(Not an argument I am making up. A Real Thing. I believe there are also versions of the argument that claim the NSV was divinely inspired to correct the errors Satan slipped into the KJV.)
Elitist oars
Sigh… do you think that Greeks who do read the New Testament in its original Greek are any more tolerant than Americans who read the New Testament in English?
I don’t really get this argument. I don’t think its an argument at all, I think it’s a *distraction*. You have no reason, none whatsoever, to believe that the original Hebrew & Greek were any more tolerant than the English translations thereof.
Ana Chronistic
Tolerance, nothing–if you’re gonna be snarking that something’s against the rules, you maybe should know what the rules actually say
Eric Burns-White
It’s not really an exercise in tolerance. It’s an exercise in interpretation coupled with Rules Lawyering, by attempting to use ‘infallible authority’ to support doctrine and invoking authority that is ‘more’ infallible to prove or disprove your position.
In effect, it’s arguing the capacity for Charisma to exceed 18 in the case of Player Characters because Comeliness could go to 25, with earlier and earlier editions being pulled out dating all the way back to Blackmoor and Chainmail. None of it’s about tolerance because every position is inherently intolerant of the others. And none of it is actually relevant to the stated and enacted philosophical or theological bases of the sects in question — Northern Convention Baptists are going to continue to emphasize diversity more than Southern Convention Baptists, Episcopalians are going to continue to have broader and more open doctrines regarding the whos and whys of priesthood than Catholics, and everyone’s going to stare at Westboro Baptist and say “they aren’t with us.”
Which is to say that biblical interpretation and theological foundation are two different fields, but there are always those people who think that the former can trump the latter. Which is true enough, I suppose, if it leads to the inevitable schism of sects.
Mono
Jacob is bae~
Janine
Quit objacobtifying him.
BagFaceMan
Jacobjectifying?
de Combys
Yup.
a snow ʍousɐ
…Jac-
ob . tifying?
MaximumZero
Objaketifying.
Ozzi
Be is Swedish for poop.
Anowan
It’s also korean for inspiration. Your point ?
Merle
Quite an a-muse-ing coincidence.
hellsing
I get that you were being funny, but I’m kinda into languages so.. Here’s your daily Scandinavian word!
“Bæ”/”Bae” is Danish, not Swedish. The Swedish word for poo is “bajs”. And, funnily enough, the Norwegian word is “baejs”.
Speculations:
Disregarding the fact that people usually don’t go bilingual in a forum where there’s one established common language/lingua franca.. well I don’t know about the Danish (or Norwegian), but I’ve never heard a grownup Swede use the word “bajs”. Everyone says “skit” (meaning “shit”). If I were to say “Jacob is [poop]”, I’d say “Jacob is skit”.
butts
That’s not QUITE true, Sarah, your face also does complete hatred.
Joe Covenant
Called it! 🙂
Mr. Mendo
Oh, I like where this is going… 😉
Pablo360
Finally, a strip centering around biblical exegesis! David Willis read my Christmas list!
Also, as a nondenominational/Presbyterian, I 100% agree with Jacob here, and it’s nice to see a fictional representation of that specific ontology. It’s … oddly affirming.
Khyrin
Heck, I’m a Roman Catholic and that jibes with my upbringing. I was unfamiliar with the concept of any virtuous folk going to Hell just for not being Christian until age 8, when a catechist(teacher of Christian doctrine) had to very delicately correct one of my co-students whose Baptist aunt preached Hellfire for the Jews.
Ragingagnostic
I’m an agnostic/atheist and, as far as I’m concerned, Joyce and Jacob both are discussing their invisible friend.
Pablo360
I’m Christian, and from my point of view, that’s not INcorrect…
Jabberwocky
Jacob’s right, by the way