Honestly speaking I really hope not. Sal beating a record that is heavily implied (if not outright stated I don’t remember) to rely heavily on complex glitches to be possible would go right past my suspension of disbelief.
IIRC, the glitch that Amber’s been trying to do is literally impossible to do on the base NES hardware.
Rose by Any Other Name
So is beating Tetris. Humans lack the reaction time to reach the level where it glitches out and ends (which is considered beating it apparently).
… except some kid did. It was on the news. A human played Tetris so long and so well that he broke it, a feat that only AI has accomplished before.
Or, to quote, “Nothing impossible, Mario, only improbable.”
Formedras
At that high level of Tetris, you’re not reacting to the piece appearing, you’re reacting to it showing up in the Next box. That gives you just enough time. As for Mario, one or two speedup tricks require pressing Left and Right at the same time, which is physically impossible on a stock controller. (Which means that those tricks are actually banned for RTA speedruns.)
Cassie
You’ve confused a couple things there. See, it’s not that human reaction time is too slow, it’s that the way the game had been played until sometime in the 2000’s was by pressing a direction and holding. At level 29 a piece needed more frames to get over to the side than were possible moving it that way. What happened is people started hyper tapping (I think that’s what it’s called?) and then “rolling” to move pieces faster, getting past the traditional kill screen. What the kid did earlier this year was crash Tetris, which requires you to get to certain levels and clear a specific number of blocks while there.
Yeah, the issue with the NES Tetris was that the physical controller response times were too slow to get past a certain point. People COULD respond fast enough but the hardware couldn’t. Someone however figured out a trick for how to get faster reactions out of the controllers by triggering the inputs in a different way. And even then the kill screen only happens at certain points because it’s based on how at certain points in the game there’s a risk of a buffer overflow in memory.
It’s fascinating stuff, really.
someone
Yeah, the repeated input if you keep the pad pressed is rather slow. People started just pressing and releasing repeatedly. But that, too, turned out to be too slow, so they invented a new completely bonkers method where they hold the controller upside-down, have the pad press on a hard surface, and instead they tap with their fingers on the back of the controller, this way they can “roll” by tapping with different fingers and that’s faster than tapping with always the same finger.
All in all, Tetris championship seems, to me at least, to be very unhealthy for one’s carpal tunnel.
Ymbrael
Rolling is actually a lot less hand-destructive than hyper-tapping.
Cimorene
I know it isn’t certified, but my mom absolutely beat/broke Tetris playing it in the 90s because she would get absolutely outraged at having to start over and couldn’t go farther.
Taffy
Fuck certification anyway. Oh, some shadow cabal of democratically elected Nerd Chancellors grants this video game legitimacy? Big friggin’ whoop, fight the machine in all its forms.
Clif
I, for one, welcome our new mechanical overlords.
It’s not like they’re going to do any worse.
BohNo
i love thinking of the speedrun certification team as the ‘Video Game Shadow Cabal’
Summing Salt Voice: Sal123’s one-handed ‘flip the bird’ strats on the NES controller single-handedly revolutionized the game when it came to Super Mario Bros. 1 speedrunning
Gonna be weird with a supervillain and a superhero sharing the same head. Bet they have to tape a line down the middle and everything, like on old sitcoms.
That sounds like it should be an M. Night Shamalamadingdong movie. The hero can never catch the villain in the act. Then at the end we find out they were the same person.
what a twiiiiist!
Interesting. I know Sal likes Mario Kart, but I sort of got the impression she otherwise doesn’t game much. If this helps her dexterity, though, I’m all for it.
“Car surfing superhero car chases with last second motorbike rescues I can handle but a completely inexperienced player with a gammy hand recreating a tool-assisted speedrun is where I DRAW THE LINE!”
Mel
THIS WAS IN FACT THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT IN MY HEAD, YES
Da Boy
The key difference is that Amber and Sal already had the skills necessary to pull it off. An inexperienced player pulling off something like this is like Rey beating a Sith on her first try while it took plenty of training for both Anakin and Luke.
GingerMadman
Yeah good thing that when she finally did actually face a Sith, she had training and pretty much the entire light side of the force helping. Cause Kylo was never a Sith, and she merely fought him to a standstill while he was severely injured.
Schpoonman
God, Rise was so bad.
Wider shots of the TFA fight give you a better idea of how both Rey and Kylo fight. Rey thrusts like she’s still holding her staff, Kylo is sloppy not only because he’s bleeding out but because he thinks he’s easily going to win. Then Rey gives herself to the Force which is the classic “I win” button in Star Wars. The Force Awakens has its problems, but they’re almost all entirely tied up in how it’s just Episode 4.1.
GingerMadman
One of the things I have realized on rewatches is that the fight chorography is very much being used as part of the storytelling. Like some of the stuff with Ben in Rise I initially thought was bad choreography I later realized was trying to show that he was now much more in tune with the force.
And TFA being 4.1 was a direct result of fan complaints about the prequels. Disney was trying to avoid those complaints and went too far.
Taffy
Luke got his ass handed to him every time he fought a Sith. The only time he slightly won was when he started flying into an intensive gamer rage on Vader, and then he got his atoms deep-fried with lightning for his troubles.
Rey lifted some rocks and got called slurs for it.
I think it would make more sense (and be more interesting) if Sal somehow accidentally streamed on Amber’s Twitch account and her cool girl persona combined with her awkwardness with video games made her incredibly popular amongst Amber’s viewers.
I just know that someone in this comment section is going to know exactly what level Amber’s talking about, even if that someone is not me, and for some reason that makes me happy.
Also I’m pretty sure that should be “Piranha” Plant, not “Pirana”?
in the dark souls scene there was a case where a novice discovered a completely new glitch that turned the entire strategy upside down.
Recently, the Tetris record was broken due to changing the way the gamepad was held.
Sal breaking the record is possible, but it’s also very unlikely, plus she’d have to stream it
Yes! Like, I need to finish the real Hollow Knight ending. If I have only 25% from Amber, I could end it, for sure.
Sadly, my “level of autism” is tots different.
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NGPZ
Sal gonna break the world record aint she?
Nono
She’s on a post-sex high, she can do anything.
Some1
Honestly speaking I really hope not. Sal beating a record that is heavily implied (if not outright stated I don’t remember) to rely heavily on complex glitches to be possible would go right past my suspension of disbelief.
Wraithy2773
IIRC, the glitch that Amber’s been trying to do is literally impossible to do on the base NES hardware.
Rose by Any Other Name
So is beating Tetris. Humans lack the reaction time to reach the level where it glitches out and ends (which is considered beating it apparently).
… except some kid did. It was on the news. A human played Tetris so long and so well that he broke it, a feat that only AI has accomplished before.
Or, to quote, “Nothing impossible, Mario, only improbable.”
Formedras
At that high level of Tetris, you’re not reacting to the piece appearing, you’re reacting to it showing up in the Next box. That gives you just enough time. As for Mario, one or two speedup tricks require pressing Left and Right at the same time, which is physically impossible on a stock controller. (Which means that those tricks are actually banned for RTA speedruns.)
Cassie
You’ve confused a couple things there. See, it’s not that human reaction time is too slow, it’s that the way the game had been played until sometime in the 2000’s was by pressing a direction and holding. At level 29 a piece needed more frames to get over to the side than were possible moving it that way. What happened is people started hyper tapping (I think that’s what it’s called?) and then “rolling” to move pieces faster, getting past the traditional kill screen. What the kid did earlier this year was crash Tetris, which requires you to get to certain levels and clear a specific number of blocks while there.
General Tekno
Yeah, the issue with the NES Tetris was that the physical controller response times were too slow to get past a certain point. People COULD respond fast enough but the hardware couldn’t. Someone however figured out a trick for how to get faster reactions out of the controllers by triggering the inputs in a different way. And even then the kill screen only happens at certain points because it’s based on how at certain points in the game there’s a risk of a buffer overflow in memory.
It’s fascinating stuff, really.
someone
Yeah, the repeated input if you keep the pad pressed is rather slow. People started just pressing and releasing repeatedly. But that, too, turned out to be too slow, so they invented a new completely bonkers method where they hold the controller upside-down, have the pad press on a hard surface, and instead they tap with their fingers on the back of the controller, this way they can “roll” by tapping with different fingers and that’s faster than tapping with always the same finger.
All in all, Tetris championship seems, to me at least, to be very unhealthy for one’s carpal tunnel.
Ymbrael
Rolling is actually a lot less hand-destructive than hyper-tapping.
Cimorene
I know it isn’t certified, but my mom absolutely beat/broke Tetris playing it in the 90s because she would get absolutely outraged at having to start over and couldn’t go farther.
Taffy
Fuck certification anyway. Oh, some shadow cabal of democratically elected Nerd Chancellors grants this video game legitimacy? Big friggin’ whoop, fight the machine in all its forms.
Clif
I, for one, welcome our new mechanical overlords.
It’s not like they’re going to do any worse.
BohNo
i love thinking of the speedrun certification team as the ‘Video Game Shadow Cabal’
BohNo
Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-spension of Belief
BohNo
Summing Salt Voice: Sal123’s one-handed ‘flip the bird’ strats on the NES controller single-handedly revolutionized the game when it came to Super Mario Bros. 1 speedrunning
Gilthwixt
Gilthwixt
(“We’re Finally Landing” by Home starts randomly playing out of nowhere)
Needfuldoer
She might break Amber’s viewership record, if she’s on stream playing video games in her underwear. (She said she left the stream running yesterday.)
Rook
That would be a fiasco if Danny left his laptop streaming video on, that would mean a lot of people watch them have sex.
darkoneko
uh oh
JessWitt
Spaghetti-O’s
Doctor_Who
Welp, here’s Amber’s supervillain origin story.
Gonna be weird with a supervillain and a superhero sharing the same head. Bet they have to tape a line down the middle and everything, like on old sitcoms.
True Survivor
Is that what the corpus callosum is for?
eh, whatever
That’s what it’s against.
Mark
🙂
NGPZ
IIRC Einstein lacked an adjacent fissure between the left and right part of his brain, apparently
Chiatroll
Works for sentry.
NGPZ
I dunno. Given Amber is confirmed DID, I think that would play too much into the stereotype of there being a “good one and a bad one”?
Doctor_Who
I’ll agree with you because I love the idea that the only reason Amber ISN’T evil is that she doesn’t want to be a cliché.
Max
That sounds like it should be an M. Night Shamalamadingdong movie. The hero can never catch the villain in the act. Then at the end we find out they were the same person.
what a twiiiiist!
DailyBrad
Interesting. I know Sal likes Mario Kart, but I sort of got the impression she otherwise doesn’t game much. If this helps her dexterity, though, I’m all for it.
Steamweed
Woohoo! Seven (7) months! :O
ktbear
Yes, it is so comforting to know that when David dies we still have something to look forward to, if only for the following seven months.
Steamweed
Hopefully Willis won’t die until his 90s, or later! By then, the comic should be in the characters’ Junior year of college. 😀
Clif
Seven months is impressive on multiple levels.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
Just like in “Night Of The Comet.”
Reltzik
And that is how they became mortal enemies once more.
Mel
No, absolutely not, I’ve watched Summoning Salt and I refuse to believe she can do a TAS level run first go
Masha
Would actually do more damage to my suspension of disbelief than the kidnapping sagas.
Shakes
“Car surfing superhero car chases with last second motorbike rescues I can handle but a completely inexperienced player with a gammy hand recreating a tool-assisted speedrun is where I DRAW THE LINE!”
Mel
THIS WAS IN FACT THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT IN MY HEAD, YES
Da Boy
The key difference is that Amber and Sal already had the skills necessary to pull it off. An inexperienced player pulling off something like this is like Rey beating a Sith on her first try while it took plenty of training for both Anakin and Luke.
GingerMadman
Yeah good thing that when she finally did actually face a Sith, she had training and pretty much the entire light side of the force helping. Cause Kylo was never a Sith, and she merely fought him to a standstill while he was severely injured.
Schpoonman
God, Rise was so bad.
Wider shots of the TFA fight give you a better idea of how both Rey and Kylo fight. Rey thrusts like she’s still holding her staff, Kylo is sloppy not only because he’s bleeding out but because he thinks he’s easily going to win. Then Rey gives herself to the Force which is the classic “I win” button in Star Wars. The Force Awakens has its problems, but they’re almost all entirely tied up in how it’s just Episode 4.1.
GingerMadman
One of the things I have realized on rewatches is that the fight chorography is very much being used as part of the storytelling. Like some of the stuff with Ben in Rise I initially thought was bad choreography I later realized was trying to show that he was now much more in tune with the force.
And TFA being 4.1 was a direct result of fan complaints about the prequels. Disney was trying to avoid those complaints and went too far.
Taffy
Luke got his ass handed to him every time he fought a Sith. The only time he slightly won was when he started flying into an intensive gamer rage on Vader, and then he got his atoms deep-fried with lightning for his troubles.
Rey lifted some rocks and got called slurs for it.
BohNo
a little-known runner by the name of ‘MotorbikeScarQueen69’
Sporky
Yeah, as a huge speedrunning nerd (who just watches other people do it and content about it), this is like… not a possibility, period
Some1
I think it would make more sense (and be more interesting) if Sal somehow accidentally streamed on Amber’s Twitch account and her cool girl persona combined with her awkwardness with video games made her incredibly popular amongst Amber’s viewers.
Bash
Maybe she’s just going to get really into it and do it after a bunch of practice.
Chubseus
What she just lucks into a random glitch/skip that hadn’t been discovered before? That seems plausible to me.
saltchocolate
You’re gonna lap yourself if you’re not careful, Willis! (You’re scarily impressive!)
RassilonTDavros
I just know that someone in this comment section is going to know exactly what level Amber’s talking about, even if that someone is not me, and for some reason that makes me happy.
Also I’m pretty sure that should be “Piranha” Plant, not “Pirana”?
betsumei
Amber, of course, is using the misspelling that was present in the original SMB manual.
eh, whatever
It’s apparently been fixed…
HueSatLight
I’m pretty sure that’s a new background, unusual perspective.
Dante
I mean, if Sal throws herself into this pressing buttons while keeping rhythm and memory in mind, like she would play music…….
Needfuldoer
She’d probably like Beat Saber.
Schpoonman
I haven’t played Hi-Fi Rush, but I’m pretty sure there’s at least one character she could cosplay and would never need to work again.
BohNo
Home – ‘We’re Finally Landing’ plays on a hacked muzak
vlademir1
Someone had to perform that summoning 😀
If it hadn’t been here, I’d have done so
Opus the Poet
I’m listening to the 1:00:00 loop right now, except to get it all through the last loop they had to make it 1:03:07
BBCC
I would ugly cackle omg.
Dara
oh no
xD
JA
You just had to say the magic words, didn’t you, Amber.
DorJoJo
do it sal
Suet
So a blind speedrun. Imagine…
✅ 7 months
❌ Buffer has reached 2025
moon
SPEEDRUNNER SAL IS BACK BABEYYY
Francoinblanco
in the dark souls scene there was a case where a novice discovered a completely new glitch that turned the entire strategy upside down.
Recently, the Tetris record was broken due to changing the way the gamepad was held.
Sal breaking the record is possible, but it’s also very unlikely, plus she’d have to stream it
IntangibleMatter
Someday I strive to have the level of Autism™ that Amber does
or the sheer luck from the author that Sal does
Amós Batista
Yes! Like, I need to finish the real Hollow Knight ending. If I have only 25% from Amber, I could end it, for sure.
Sadly, my “level of autism” is tots different.
Da Boy