Shrug

229 Replies to “Shrug”

      1. Honestly, Faz is kind of what I think would happen if you made a robot and plugged it into the internet to learn human behavior, but forgot to install parental controls.

        1. [a href=”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)”]MicroSoft Tay[/a]. Twitter taught a chatbot to be a racist arsehole in under sixteen hours.

    1. Well now see I was assuming he was making the observation to sorta “neg” Joyce in the hopes she’d get depressed and needy and he could jump her.

      1. That would display far more competence than I think Faz is capable of? If Faz was gonna try and neg a girl it would be obvious and probably hilarious.

        IDK, this Faz is still a child, I don’t think he is as hopeless visa-vi human emotions as Faz-prime. And we all know his shitty bio-dad is actively part of his life in this one.

      1. I mean, I think part of it is that Sal’s apology wasn’t in sympathy for Malaya seducing/hitting on/whatever Joe, but for fucking up her security guard gig (and generally being kind of a tool), like, three plots ago.

        1. Are you suggesting that Marcie is still mad at Sal and therefore doesn’t want to share her feelings? Huh. Possible. That sort of fits in with theory three of mine (below) that states that Marcie is upset but is acting tough in front of Sal.

        2. Yeah I can see her being sorry about that too but it really feels like that’s not what this apology is about.

      2. I mean, Marcie was part of Squad 48 in the Walkyverse, and IIRC all of them were more-or-less in a big poly relationship there…and accounting for Willis’s “sexuality is constant between the ‘verses” rule, I’d say it’s a safe bet that Marcie is indeed fine with polyamory.

          1. Best thing about Squad 48 is that it provided some cool characters for DoA.

            It started out, as Willis put it later, as “Joe’s 5-girl-orgy wet dream”, which isn’t quite so cool.

        1. That is a good point though – I’d forgotten about that plot detail from IW until you brought it up. Actually, as a fairly big fan of Poly myself, I hope that is it. I think I am just assuming the worst below because, well, that is usually the correct answer around here.

          1. Not per se, but it is a general component of sexuality, and therefore would transfer.
            As a bisexual, homoromantic, semi-hypersexual, pro-polyamory woman, I can say with a surety that it is an important component of my sexual identity. Thus it might also be for your friend.

      3. We know Marcie’s poly. We also know Marcie would tap Joe. Granted, this was alternate universe Joe, but Joe in his squad 48 days was about as mature as Joe now, so meh. My guess is at least part of this is “maybe I’ll get a hot threesome out of this”.

    1. It is also possible that Marcie is currently in some sort of deep denial. She might snap and freak out at any moment.
      Or perhaps she already thought that Mayala wasn’t interested in her and just wants to see her crush happy?
      Or perhaps she’s crying and just trying to hide that fact from Sal using her goggle/glasses thingys?
      I have no idea – I’m right there with you and Sal hoping for an explanation from either Marcie herself or the comic in general.

      1. See, I don’t think there would be any reason for Marcie to assume that is anything other than a one-time hook-up or to assume it meant that her and Mayala is never going to happen, especially when Mayala doesn’t know Marcie has feelings for her.

        Not saying it would not be human nature for a person in Marcie’s situation to be hurt, but I am not sure why people are looking at it like this hook-up is the start of a monogamous relationship between Mayala and Joe of all people, haha

        1. Whose assuming that this is the start of anything remotely monogamous? Not me.
          However, as someone who had a crush on a straight girl once, it can be pretty heart breaking to see a straight girl that you are crushing on not even notice your feelings and date a boy right in front of you. So yeah, if I was Marcie, even being totally okay with Poly, I might still be upset about this situation since it could indicate that Mayala might not be interested ever.

    2. I think Marcie, as a reasonable adult, has said “ok I guess she’s probably not into girls, or at least not into me. Time to move on”

      Could be wrong though.

      1. Another possible aspect of it is that she is of the hook. This frees her from making a move, from risking rejection, from opening up… Can be a pretty big surge of relief.

    1. If Faz opened his eyes, you’d see into a deep black void where the crows circle and carrion thoughts lie like leaf-mould around the bones of male tropes hung above the ever-circling pits of undigested feelings.

  1. So my big question is – does Joyce now think (or possibly know – not sure if it’s been confirmed) that Joe has feelings for her?

    1. I think she was starting to think that, and Joe might have almost started to think that, when Malaya interrupted.
      I think Joyce’s reaction is not to Joe’s falling off the wagon, so much as to his being this close to admitting some sort of affection for her, then immediately walking off with a complete stranger.

      Joe probably wasn’t going to announce anything definite, but they got awfully close to admitting that they think the other is a person worth loving, as opposed to actively disliking each other. If that makes any sense.

  2. So Faz is here because he was abandoned? Ugh, do we have to sympathize with him now?

    And somehow Marcie is just fine. I’m with Sal, this isn’t called responsible adult reactions of age!

    1. Well, he first came here with Blaine, who chased after Amber, kidnapped her boyfriend and then got beat so badly he’s been hospitalised. And then Dina tied Faz up and gave him to Ruth. So it’s entirely possible he’s been hanging around the area the whole time since unless Ruth got ahold of Faz’s mom there’s nobody to come pick him up.

      1. Ruth, while being kind of shit at her job, is not the sort of person who wouldn’t properly deal with an unattended minor. She let a lot of shit slide, but she still tried to protect Carla. She takes issue with harm coming to vulnerable people.

        It is pretty likely he was abandoned though. In the comic for March 5th Amber mentions his mom isn’t answering her phone or returning calls. On February 12th Faz said “Father does not care what I do” when Amber specifically mentions how her dad would be pissed. She interpreted that as Faz talking about his biological father, but.. there is a good chance Faz knew exactly what Amber meant and responded accordingly.

        Faz isn’t great when it comes ot talking about emotions or his problems (or even acknowledging he has problems.) It kind of lines up that if abandoned he’d go to the only family he knows (Amber,) but not necessarily have the courage to explain why. Instead trying to distract himself with creeper shenanigans.

        1. Ruth has been suffering suicidal depression, a conspiracy to make her take up a job she is manifestly unqualified for, and has just dealt with both her first date ever as well as a stabbing of a rapist. I can understand why Faz would slip her mind.

        2. The incident with the wrapped-up Faz was on parent’s day and we would have noticed if Ruth had kept him in her dorm room.

          Probably he’s on the list of not allowed people just like Blaine and would be escorted out by security if anyone involved anyone official.

          Considering her dismal state, Ruth must have all capabilities necessary to be a top RA, because she managed to get some parts of her job done nevertheless. And protecting the people in her care from dangers (other than herself) was always part of her ethos. She protected Amber from Blaine, and her first impulse was to protect Carla from Mary, even if she then refrained at first because of being blackmailed. But she cared.

  3. Now all we need is Joe to make a hard left after he goes inside with a “Thanks for the excuse!” and we’ll have the full set of unexpected outcomes.

  4. DUmb question, is Marcie deaf or mute? For some reason I thought she was deaf but she replied to Sal without seeing that she was talking

          1. And used to be capable of speech. Throat injury seems reasonable to me, though fair enough if it hasn’t been explicitly stated.

              1. With Sal’s seeming sense of guilt about it I personally lean more into throat injury myself, though it could still just be a form of survivors’ remorse.

                1. Sal definitely feels bad it happened, but I don’t know I’d say she feels guilty. I think if she felt guilty or responsible for it, she wouldn’t so easily just refer to it as ‘stuff happens’ in Marcie’s hearing.

      1. And Sal has expressed some degree of guilt over that, tho’ whether that’s ‘responsibility’ or ‘survivor’s guilt’ isn’t clear.

      1. Why Marcie is mute is still a mystery. Maybe its her throat, maybe its old one induced madness, maybe she lost her tongue in a Christmas Story-style incident.

  5. Shrug?!…Then what was the point of the last six months of bullshit?! Six months for us. I don’t know like a week for Marcie probably.

    1. Maybe she’s open to a poly hookup with both Joe and Malaya.

      Maybe she’s fallen into a “fuck it nothing matters” mindset as a defensive mechanism against breaking down right there.

      We’ll see tomorrow, maybe!

    1. More of a statement that carries a deep meaning beyond what the speaker intended. “Outrospection,” I guess?

  6. I don’t believe Malaya had given any indication she was into girls, so Marcie had to have figured it was a longshot at best (and thus nothing to get worked up over here).

    1. That can be a fair one to have, but not the reaction I’d expect from most people. One might want “This girl is probably straight” (even though WE know that’s not the case) to equal, “Therefore, I won’t get my hopes up,” but that’s often not how it works.

      Maybe Marcie is still hoping things can work out, even if she’s adjusting what that might look like (or not). Maybe she is fine with it. It’s hard to say for sure at this point.

      1. Some people just cope well once they know something’s done. Having asked someone out and waiting for their response? Terrifyingly stressful and worrisome. Getting a clear rejection? That’s done, nothing you can do about it, time to move on.
        Struggling with classes? Terrifyingly stressful and worrisome. Accepting that no, you’re just failing this term? That’s over with, time to move on.

  7. Gawddammit, you’re NOT allowed to make me like Faz. That said, if Faz takes this opportunity to act like a little turd again, I will not be happy. Dislike the character, sure, but loathe the character, nope.

    1. You can dislike someone as a person while still sympathizing with their human pain. Faz is a terrible person to hang out with, but if he’s a kid who’s been abandoned by his parents, that sucks.

      Heck, given Blaine, *not* being abandoned by his parents sucks, though he’d be less likely to be going hungry.

  8. Did Faz just

    go through an entire sentence without praising himself and/or hitting on someone?

    I think I need a moment.

  9. Plot twist: Faz’s line is implying that he was abandoned by his step-father, thus dooming him to a life of graphs and women. Wait, that actually sounds kinda dope.

  10. I’m so confused that I can’t process any of this. Did Marcie give up on Malaya or what? And what is Joyce thinking? And did Faz show actual human emotion? I didn’t think the last one was possible, whatever I’ve hit my limit for dealing with these people today.

  11. Knowing Faz, this is probably a transparent attempt to manipulate Joyce into sympathy sex.

    Giving him any amount of pity is likely a mistake.

  12. Well, I’m glad Marcie’s taking it well. Shrugs is probably the best case scenario.

    Honestly, I’ve never been quite sure how much Marcie actually LIKED Malaya. Every time it came up, it was about how hot Malaya was and how much Marcie wanted to bang her. If that’s all it was, it’d be easy enough to shrug it off. If she did like her for real, I thought she might be sad (but hopefully not a dick – I wasn’t super worried she would be but I’m one of those people who’s never quite sure until the rejection happens). So if this is just ‘shrugs’ I’m cool with that.

    …Unless she’s shrugging it off because she doesn’t want to admit she’s sad to Sal while she’s mad at her. I find it unlikely, given her expression, but I’m also hoping super hard that’s not the case because Marcie is adorable and I have no desire to see her sad.

    And how much do I love that the first thing Sal does is offer Marcie sympathy? So much. Dammit you two stop being cute.

          1. …Eh, still works with multi shipping hell.

            (Sorry about the triple post, Willis – lack of edit function to fix and or add stuff).

    1. Remember that everytime it came up, she was explaining it to Sal and “sex” would be easier to get Sal to accept than “No, really, I like her, even if you don’t and it makes you jealous” – cause that would be a really awkward conversation.

      At the very least, they seem to have mutual interests and like doing things together. As Carla said “I think Marcie likes doing shit.”

      1. That is true, but Marcie did tell her she was working her way up to dating Malaya and Sal’s reaction was ‘Well that changes everything”.

  13. Sending an email to someone who only knows me by my old name but who I would like to use my new name going forward and trying to figure out how to sign it while the whole name thing is not at all related to the point of the email, woooo~

    (This is just to express this stress a little, though if you have suggests, go for it. I mean, I’ll probably have hit send by the time anyone replies, but I may run into this again, so.)

      1. Yeah, I’ve done that in the past. I just felt weird this time because I was emailing someone I’ve always interacted with in at least a semi-professional way, who I’ve barely interacted with in the past year, and who I’m asking for a favor.

        I just signed it [new name]/[old name] [last name].

    1. Separate paragraph about the new name and circumstances (if appropriate). Problem I have is people from before my change still use my old name. And no I’m not trans, I changed my name because I literally died. I’m still the same gender and sexuality I was born with, I just wrote a poem about a comic strip character doing a compare and contrast between us, and 21 years later people are still calling me by that name.

          1. Modern medicine means there are a lot of formerly-dead people walking around.
            I almost typed “once-“, but for some, it’s been more than that.

        1. Murdered with a pickup truck while riding my bicycle home from work, 8/31/2001. Last day the crime was still a misdemeanor, thus low on the priorities for investigation. 22 hours later it would have been a minor felony. I was minus pulse and respiration when paramedics got there, but when they tried to scrape me off the road I told them to be careful because I had broken the upper end of my femur, which startled the hell out of the people gathered to see what happened. Turns out getting hit at 60 MPH makes a hell of a noise as your body crushes the cab of the truck. He drove off and the truck was declared a total loss, I spent 2 weeks in hospital learning to use my leg again, and another 4 months learning to walk unassisted.

          1. Opus the Poet’s posts link to his blog, where you can read a graphic account of the surgeries required after he got hit by a pickup truck. Not for the medically squeamish.

    2. Maybe sign it really “Default”-ish with your new name, as if that’s just a standard thing you do for all your emails? Literally no experience on the matter, beyond mild non-literally-diagnosed-just-the-adjective anxiousness.

  14. Faz is talking normal, will it stick? I feel a little bad for Marcie but I get annoyed when I see people going into any sort of relationship and not making their intentions clear so I’m glad she’s taking it well

    1. yup. I’m very curious now about his tragic backstory of neglect or whatever… so of course I’m not expecting we’ll actually get it for years 😛

      but hey, speaking of waiting for things, new SU episodes in just 11 days! OMG!

  15. …. okay, so is JOYCE going to be the one to sit down and actually get a straight answer out of Faz about why he’s here?

  16. -checks-

    Well, he’s not wearing the same hoodie back when he showed up the first time. But then, even if he was, we’ve seen other dudes more than willing to wear the same hoodie every day, all the time, so it wouldn’t prove anything.

  17. Marcie’s taking this pretty healthily. Another girl will come along, like a certain sophomore who works at the student paper?

  18. Ok, I’m confused by two things in this strip. First that Marcie seems to not care about Malaya hooking up with Joe, and second that Faz is smiling while talking about being abandoned.

    1. the first was addressed pretty well near the top of the page, and the second, well, it’s faz – has he ever *not* been smiling? (also, faz-ness aside, it’s probably a coping mechanism, like how I tend to sound cheerful when talking about the incredibly painful ways my body tries to self-destruct.)

  19. i think faz being 14 does wonders in making me accept him being humanized. he’s still a turd but the fact that he doesn’t really have any actual capability, power, or weight in any of these scenes besides being creepy and annoying means my reaction to this was mild intrigue instead of the usually Bahs and Humbugs.

    1. Isn’t he 15 here? Since he’s just a matter of weeks/months away from reaching Indiana’s age of consent by his own statement.

      1. Well, he’s TRYING to make it the most dick thing he’s done. He didn’t succeed, but all things considered it was the best he could do.

  20. This is the part when we learn to empathise with Faz, I think.

    Meanwhile, I think that Marcie has decided to adopt the very healthy mindset of ‘easy come, easy go’. Either that or this is the very unhealthy attitude of: “Ah, Malaya can do whatever she wants, I still love her and will come crawling back to her!”

    1. There’s also “it’s a meaningless hookup there’s no reason it should mean I have no chance and the only reason to get bent out of shape is jealousy.”

  21. Is that grin just permanently attached to his face? Is he physically capable of changing his expression? Maybe Faz is some kind of android.

  22. Are they going to walk in on Danny and Amber having a serious conversation (though Joe though he was opening space for them to have sex, I don’t think they are at it) or are they going to fuck in Sal’s room?
    Probably Sal’s room, because Malaya will want to rub in her perceived victory?

  23. Amazing drawing/storytelling.
    I like how you can *see* Joyce snapping out of her confusion when she hears someone else’s pain.
    In panel 3 she’s all “wait, does he *like* like me?” and in panel 4 she’s going full “someone’s hurting!”. Her eyes– and then she goes back to her non-shocked face but full of compassion. I guess she’s going to get us some answers as to Faz’s story.

    As for Marcy, I’m pretty sure she’s answering both meanings of “sorry”.
    – “Meh, so she’s not into me, big deal, it was just a crush and not love anyway”
    – “Well yeah what you did sucked but it was you being you and we’ve been sulking long enough, let’s make up cause this is stupid and I still love you dumbass.”

    1. Or the next thing Faz says is, “Well, do not worry about being abandoned, for Faz shall console you with the most intuitively masterful of not-at-all inexperienced sexings.”

    1. I learned this back when I played Monster Rancher 2. It’s an anime thing where they shrink their irises to empasize the widening of their eyes to display a shocked facial expression instead of bulging their eyeballs out ‘ll, and then it shifts back to her on -model regular iris size

    1. My statistics gathered from a sample size of only myself indicate that there is a nonzero number of people, possibly 100% according to this surely unbiased sample size, who already empathized with Faz. Especially that one scene at the funeral in Shortpacked.

      In all seriousness, despite being deeply flawed, Faz actually is a certain limited sort of great. I’m also not joking when I say he and Wen were kinda cute together in an incredibly awkward way.

  24. My view is that Marcie fully intends to continue pining after Malaya and trying to win her over. Wanting is better than having in many cases after all.

  25. Oh jeez, I only just realized that implication. Maybe Faz is only here because Faz doesn’t have anyplace else to go.

    How DARE you make me feel even a momentary empathy for Faz! I demand to see your manager.

  26. Marcie is rather used to disappointment. Malaya was never hers to lose. Some things you just walk away from. Pick battles you have a chance to win. Once you have it ground into you that life isn’t fair, you can shrug and walk away from disappointments.

  27. I love that Marcie’s like, “My crush is headed off to bone some guy… oh well!”

    And Sal is like, “Wait, I almost destroyed our friendship over a crush you let go of in 5 SECONDS??? DOUBLE-YOU-TEE-FUUUUCKK!?!?”

    1. “They’re gonna fuck someone else, oh well” is not exactly letting go of a crush. I’ve had plenty of crushes on folks that had sex with other people.

  28. Marcie is now going to join in a threesome with Joe and Malaya–leaving him completely confused and wondering why God is playing with him.

  29. 3 things might happen

    1 joe is gonna show a bit of maturity and say thanks for saving me .. bye now ….. and 1a at some point realize he really likes joyce

    2 marcies going to think this is gonna down in flames and shell be there to console mayala

  30. You know, I feel pretty certain that when Sal says “Ah’m sorry”, she’s not just indicating what happened right now. She’s probably also trying to start apologising for the rift that’s currently between them.

    And even if that was not part of her intentions, then at least she got a response from Marcie. It seems possible Marcie might speak to her again soon. It seems like they might work it out in the end here.

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