If we’re _really_ lucky, the Queen will take us back, sort out this whole Trump mess, and be very supportive of us when we’re ready to put on our Big Country trousers again.
Doctor_Who
Right now her hands are full. Literally, she’s dragging Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson around by their earlobes for being very naughty boys.
Marsh Maryrose
The U.K and the U.S. share a Special Relationship (TM). That being said, let us not forget that the U.K.’s current Head of Government is Theresa May, and her chosen Foreign Secretary is Boris “Weasel-Headed Fucknugget” Johnson. There is no proof that the U.K. is any more competent to lead the free world than the U.S. is, given each country’s current administration.
CrazyJ
I’m holding out for Canada, at least they seem to have their crap together.
Sean Murphy
There are several reasons when I married a Canadian that we chose her country to settle in!
(Of course, back then “George Bush the Lesser” was president, who had been the worst president in US history until January 2017…)
Jon Rich
Honestly, I get a bit annoyed whenever anyone says that Bush (or, when people on the other side of the political spectrum are speaking, Obama) was the worst president in US history.
James Buchanan failed to head off the Civil War. His actions as President further inflamed tensions that were already dangerously high, and he failed to respond with military force at the very start of the run-up to war—if he had, the rebellion could have been defeated, and maybe 600,000 soldiers wouldn’t have had to die, and we could have avoided all or most of the damage to civilians, as well. Historians generally consider Buchanan’s refusal to use force to stop secession as the worst presidential mistake ever made.
If by “towards the end there” you mean, until the 80s stonewalled us, then I’ll agree. But eh, most revolutions don’t end up creating a nation that lasts almost a quarter of a millenia so I guess we get some kudos for not going as crazy as the French did when they got their first revolution.
3oranges
If that America did last a quarter millennium without going crazy like that, maybe, but the revolution baked in horrible ingredients that blew the country apart in the 1860s. Partial credit for some time after that.
StClair
“Mark me, Franklin. If we give in on this issue, there will be trouble one hundred years hence. Posterity will never forgive us.”
StClair
(Adams had it almost to the decade.)
Deanatay
Yaaas 1776 FTW
Reltzik
We…. did improve on queer rights since the 80s? … a bit? …. uphill slog against theocracy all the way?
I’d say plutocratic oligarchy, but you do have a point.
Reltzik
Well, yeah, Plutocratic Oligarchy did a whole bunch of crap to us too, but it was the Theocratic Nutjobs were the ones standing in the way of queer rights.
Just throw in White Supremicists, and maybe Law Enforcement Autocracy, and you just about have the Axis of American Evil.
Tacos
Eh. We had a run at least.
Nightsbridge
More like we had other people run for us and took their trophies.
I’m encouraging all my friends who are currently abroad to be obnoxiously American today because I am terrible. I told my friend who’s in Taiwan to dump out any tea she’s given in the name of freedom.
“Taiwan had nothing to do with it.”
“FREEDOM.”
I will be very disappointed if this doesn’t end in sex between Jason and Walky.
However, I will say “Walky, he’s ostensibly doing you a favor. Why are you even here if you don’t want to learn?” I admit, part of my annoyance is that I’ve had students like him.
Yeah, seriously, Walky just annoys me by being so fucking childish and lazy. I don’t understand why he even agreed to go to college to begin with, let alone what he plans on doing with his life.
Jason is an awful awful teacher but he hasn’t even started any of his problems before Walky has begun throwing every possible insult he can at the man.
Puckish Rogue
Interesting to note Sal and Walkys upbringing and then how they deal with similar problems
Mind you Sal had the good fortune to have Danny tutor her
monkyvirus
Are random pop culture references insults or just stupid?
Also poor Jason. As a PhD student I feel your pain. We want to help but our training is so inadequate!
Jason
I would argue that for ALL people, having things too easy early in life absolutely is a bad thing. We learn to overcome by overcoming. We grow stronger by being challenged, by doing a little more. We make mistakes that we can learn from.
If everything is easy and nobody provides any challenges… where does that growth and strength come from? What resilience can there be?
it’s weird but like…i would argue that walky’s laziness doesn’t come from having too many good things, but by not having adequate support
like. ok, fair, he didn’t learn how to work because he was smart enough to not have to work at homework, but not everyone is driven enough to find things to do when their homework/classes bores them. or to have other places to go to to find more things to do. or to even talk about how bored he was.
idk i just really feel like parents who didn’t halfass their parenting would have noticed this, and recognized it as a problem, and helped him with extracurriculars or advanced classes and not made him feel like his worth was tied to his instinctive genius so that he would later pull shit like this
Halpful
speaking from experience, advanced classes do not help with the self-worth problem; being “the smart one” becomes even more important. but they do help with the boredom, at least.
at the very least it puts you in a class with people who are potentially your peers? and struggling with the same problems you are??? although i guess my ap classes were filled with, basically, the rich kids and the smart kids
Needfuldoer
They were just happy that he sailed through his schoolwork and brought home straight As. They didn’t instill in him a drive to push himself beyond that. All this did was reinforce the idea that his grades bought their support and affection. (The contrast between how they treated him compared to bad-grades Sal didn’t help either, even if he didn’t realize it at the time.)
Now that he’s struggling for the first time in years, that mental house of cards has come crashing down. He doesn’t have the maturity to analyze what’s going wrong, and what to do to fix it. All he has is the panic over losing his parents’ support due to his falling grades.
“idk i just really feel like parents who didn’t halfass their parenting would have noticed this, and recognized it as a problem,”
True enough, though I’ll at least give some slack to those who were parents in the past (like my own); because it’s relatively recently that we have come to understand just how bad the current school system really is for anyone not fitting into its mold; whether it’s learning too fast, not learning fast enough, or whatever other issues is going on.
I know that my parents did support me as they thought was fitting support for me; but I feel confident that if they had the knowledge they had today, their support would be vastly different.
Christine
I know that my parents noticed I was having trouble, but only once I started not getting stuff done properly. (I had such a severe case of smart kid syndrome). The school took advantage of split classes to put me with the readers when I was in grade 1 (a lot of my grade 1 classmates couldn’t read yet), and advance me in math, but there’s only so much that can do. My school didn’t start “immersion” until grade 5, and by then I was so invested in not working hard because I was smart, that I did really badly in all my French-language classes. My parents tried, but there’s only so much they can do if the kid refuses to work.
And that’s aside from the fact that, to a certain extent, if people from my parents’ generation see that you got a 90 in a class, they assume you’re doing it right.
He didn’t have much choice, did he? His parents told him what to do and he did it. Don’t want to end up like Sal, do you, Walky?
Jason
I don’t think the idea of being treated like Sal is even remotely near Walky’s consciousness. Very deep down the lessons have been learned- he is loveable because he’s smart and he does well. If he isn’t smart and doesn’t do well he isn’t loveable, and the unloveable is treated very badly.
But not even close to being aware of any of that. I think as far as Walky was concerned, going to college meant delaying having to grow up and make actual decisions about his life.
He freaked out and sobbed when Dorothy found out about his failing grade, asking if she was sure she wouldn’t break up with him over that and if it didn’t mean he wasn’t good enough for her because failure = stupid and perfect people won’t be with stupid people who “screwed up everything” and people stop loving failures.
There is no way he wasn’t affected by his upbringing, even if he doesn’t show it as easily as Sal does. (Really, she’s the lucky one. She got out.)
Jason
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, just commenting that I highly doubt that Walky is even vaguely aware of it on a conscious level.
“Lessons” like that are very common. The child learning that “this makes me loveable” or “this makes me unloveable” are so very common, sad as it sounds. And it’s just as common that- without counselling/therapy- people are unaware of them.
Because it was easier than arguing with his parents about it. Also, he slacked off and got good grades in high school and assumed that college would be more of the same.
That joke about Doctor Who would work really well on the show.
Have the Doctor introduce himself and then have the person asks if he knows this other time traveller and the Doctor replying with, “that’s me” to a retort of “no couldn’t be, this guy had a magic wand.”
Though that might only serve to point out how silly the screwdriver has gotten.
Oddly, the Brits in my life (boyfriend, friends he’s introduced me to, so we’re talking more than a few people) are the people who seem to be least impressed by Doctor Who. Boyfriend calls him Mr. Spacewizard.
My reaction to it (as a Brit) is “meh”. Plus I briefly dated someone who was so ridiculously enthusiastic about it that it ruined it for me completely.
In fact I don’t know anyone really into it. Even my husband- who is a TV and film geek, generally older stuff- isn’t overly interested. So… your experience checks out with me.
Maybe because it’s been around in the UK for so long at this point, that it’s become part of the background-radiation din that’s “always been there”?
Here in the US I only started hearing about Doctor Who in college during the David Tennant era, and it really started picking up mainstream inertia with Matt Smith.
I spent two years in England (USAF ’81-’83), saw Tom Baker’s wax figure at the museum, (?) marveled at the scarf and weird metal dog. Came home to people excited about the show on late night teevee. Finally saw it, loved #4 (Tom). (realized I had watched John Pertwee as Worzel Gummige while in UK)
It’s a lovely callback to the fact the character was credited as ‘Dr./Doctor Who’ for several incarnations (at least into late 4, possibly early 5). The joke about mystery and it being ‘too on the nose’ could also be a joke about Seven and the question marks turned up to eleven theme. (I say about Seven completely lovingly – he’s one of my faves)
Yossarianduck
Also the fact that that’s what Capaldi often calls his character in interviews, therefore making it completely acceptable.
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Ana Chronistic
Jason, just play Look Around You and take a LONG drink break
Ana Chronistic
Happy 241st, America, here are jokes about your motherland
Michael Steamweed
If we’re _really_ lucky, the Queen will take us back, sort out this whole Trump mess, and be very supportive of us when we’re ready to put on our Big Country trousers again.
Doctor_Who
Right now her hands are full. Literally, she’s dragging Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson around by their earlobes for being very naughty boys.
Marsh Maryrose
The U.K and the U.S. share a Special Relationship (TM). That being said, let us not forget that the U.K.’s current Head of Government is Theresa May, and her chosen Foreign Secretary is Boris “Weasel-Headed Fucknugget” Johnson. There is no proof that the U.K. is any more competent to lead the free world than the U.S. is, given each country’s current administration.
CrazyJ
I’m holding out for Canada, at least they seem to have their crap together.
Sean Murphy
There are several reasons when I married a Canadian that we chose her country to settle in!
(Of course, back then “George Bush the Lesser” was president, who had been the worst president in US history until January 2017…)
Jon Rich
Honestly, I get a bit annoyed whenever anyone says that Bush (or, when people on the other side of the political spectrum are speaking, Obama) was the worst president in US history.
James Buchanan failed to head off the Civil War. His actions as President further inflamed tensions that were already dangerously high, and he failed to respond with military force at the very start of the run-up to war—if he had, the rebellion could have been defeated, and maybe 600,000 soldiers wouldn’t have had to die, and we could have avoided all or most of the damage to civilians, as well. Historians generally consider Buchanan’s refusal to use force to stop secession as the worst presidential mistake ever made.
Bryan Langley
But it’s not the 4th yet!!
Oh, right, timezones….
Cerberus
We had a good run.
Reltzik
*eyes American history*
….. we had a terrible run, but we were improving towards the end there.
Rukduk
If by “towards the end there” you mean, until the 80s stonewalled us, then I’ll agree. But eh, most revolutions don’t end up creating a nation that lasts almost a quarter of a millenia so I guess we get some kudos for not going as crazy as the French did when they got their first revolution.
3oranges
If that America did last a quarter millennium without going crazy like that, maybe, but the revolution baked in horrible ingredients that blew the country apart in the 1860s. Partial credit for some time after that.
StClair
“Mark me, Franklin. If we give in on this issue, there will be trouble one hundred years hence. Posterity will never forgive us.”
StClair
(Adams had it almost to the decade.)
Deanatay
Yaaas 1776 FTW
Reltzik
We…. did improve on queer rights since the 80s? … a bit? …. uphill slog against theocracy all the way?
Rukduk
I’d say plutocratic oligarchy, but you do have a point.
Reltzik
Well, yeah, Plutocratic Oligarchy did a whole bunch of crap to us too, but it was the Theocratic Nutjobs were the ones standing in the way of queer rights.
Just throw in White Supremicists, and maybe Law Enforcement Autocracy, and you just about have the Axis of American Evil.
Tacos
Eh. We had a run at least.
Nightsbridge
More like we had other people run for us and took their trophies.
Clif
Efficiency.
ValdVin
Oh Jason’s ready to open a can of Psilence and spray Walky’s mouth with it, directions be damned.
Yumi
The hovertext makes me appreciate what a fitting comic this is for the 4th.
butting
They should really start off with a nice tea party. That’ll bring them together.
Yumi
I’m encouraging all my friends who are currently abroad to be obnoxiously American today because I am terrible. I told my friend who’s in Taiwan to dump out any tea she’s given in the name of freedom.
“Taiwan had nothing to do with it.”
“FREEDOM.”
C.T Phipps
I will be very disappointed if this doesn’t end in sex between Jason and Walky.
However, I will say “Walky, he’s ostensibly doing you a favor. Why are you even here if you don’t want to learn?” I admit, part of my annoyance is that I’ve had students like him.
Larkle
Fair enough.
Black
Yeah, seriously, Walky just annoys me by being so fucking childish and lazy. I don’t understand why he even agreed to go to college to begin with, let alone what he plans on doing with his life.
Puckish Rogue
Kind of shows that, for some people, having things too easy is a recipe for disaster (not that its a disaster yet)
C.T Phipps
Jason is an awful awful teacher but he hasn’t even started any of his problems before Walky has begun throwing every possible insult he can at the man.
Puckish Rogue
Interesting to note Sal and Walkys upbringing and then how they deal with similar problems
Mind you Sal had the good fortune to have Danny tutor her
monkyvirus
Are random pop culture references insults or just stupid?
Also poor Jason. As a PhD student I feel your pain. We want to help but our training is so inadequate!
Jason
I would argue that for ALL people, having things too easy early in life absolutely is a bad thing. We learn to overcome by overcoming. We grow stronger by being challenged, by doing a little more. We make mistakes that we can learn from.
If everything is easy and nobody provides any challenges… where does that growth and strength come from? What resilience can there be?
zoelogical
it’s weird but like…i would argue that walky’s laziness doesn’t come from having too many good things, but by not having adequate support
like. ok, fair, he didn’t learn how to work because he was smart enough to not have to work at homework, but not everyone is driven enough to find things to do when their homework/classes bores them. or to have other places to go to to find more things to do. or to even talk about how bored he was.
idk i just really feel like parents who didn’t halfass their parenting would have noticed this, and recognized it as a problem, and helped him with extracurriculars or advanced classes and not made him feel like his worth was tied to his instinctive genius so that he would later pull shit like this
Halpful
speaking from experience, advanced classes do not help with the self-worth problem; being “the smart one” becomes even more important. but they do help with the boredom, at least.
zoelogical
at the very least it puts you in a class with people who are potentially your peers? and struggling with the same problems you are??? although i guess my ap classes were filled with, basically, the rich kids and the smart kids
Needfuldoer
They were just happy that he sailed through his schoolwork and brought home straight As. They didn’t instill in him a drive to push himself beyond that. All this did was reinforce the idea that his grades bought their support and affection. (The contrast between how they treated him compared to bad-grades Sal didn’t help either, even if he didn’t realize it at the time.)
Now that he’s struggling for the first time in years, that mental house of cards has come crashing down. He doesn’t have the maturity to analyze what’s going wrong, and what to do to fix it. All he has is the panic over losing his parents’ support due to his falling grades.
zoelogical
yup
instilled mediocrity!!!
Emperor Norton II
“idk i just really feel like parents who didn’t halfass their parenting would have noticed this, and recognized it as a problem,”
True enough, though I’ll at least give some slack to those who were parents in the past (like my own); because it’s relatively recently that we have come to understand just how bad the current school system really is for anyone not fitting into its mold; whether it’s learning too fast, not learning fast enough, or whatever other issues is going on.
I know that my parents did support me as they thought was fitting support for me; but I feel confident that if they had the knowledge they had today, their support would be vastly different.
Christine
I know that my parents noticed I was having trouble, but only once I started not getting stuff done properly. (I had such a severe case of smart kid syndrome). The school took advantage of split classes to put me with the readers when I was in grade 1 (a lot of my grade 1 classmates couldn’t read yet), and advance me in math, but there’s only so much that can do. My school didn’t start “immersion” until grade 5, and by then I was so invested in not working hard because I was smart, that I did really badly in all my French-language classes. My parents tried, but there’s only so much they can do if the kid refuses to work.
And that’s aside from the fact that, to a certain extent, if people from my parents’ generation see that you got a 90 in a class, they assume you’re doing it right.
Conuly
He didn’t have much choice, did he? His parents told him what to do and he did it. Don’t want to end up like Sal, do you, Walky?
Jason
I don’t think the idea of being treated like Sal is even remotely near Walky’s consciousness. Very deep down the lessons have been learned- he is loveable because he’s smart and he does well. If he isn’t smart and doesn’t do well he isn’t loveable, and the unloveable is treated very badly.
But not even close to being aware of any of that. I think as far as Walky was concerned, going to college meant delaying having to grow up and make actual decisions about his life.
Conuly
He freaked out and sobbed when Dorothy found out about his failing grade, asking if she was sure she wouldn’t break up with him over that and if it didn’t mean he wasn’t good enough for her because failure = stupid and perfect people won’t be with stupid people who “screwed up everything” and people stop loving failures.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/02-everything-youve-ever-wanted/flunking/
There is no way he wasn’t affected by his upbringing, even if he doesn’t show it as easily as Sal does. (Really, she’s the lucky one. She got out.)
Jason
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, just commenting that I highly doubt that Walky is even vaguely aware of it on a conscious level.
“Lessons” like that are very common. The child learning that “this makes me loveable” or “this makes me unloveable” are so very common, sad as it sounds. And it’s just as common that- without counselling/therapy- people are unaware of them.
Conuly
Oh, I see what you mean.
Yeah, Walky survived by being oblivious. I doubt even now he fully realizes where his fear comes from.
Clif
In fairness, the fear of Dorothy dumping him is not at all unreasonable given the high standards she sets for herself.
Dean
Because it was easier than arguing with his parents about it. Also, he slacked off and got good grades in high school and assumed that college would be more of the same.
darkoneko
Not going well eh.
Tacos
RE: Alt-Text: Hmm… yeah, sounds about right.
Yossarianduck
Something something bowties something.
Rocketboy1313
That joke about Doctor Who would work really well on the show.
Have the Doctor introduce himself and then have the person asks if he knows this other time traveller and the Doctor replying with, “that’s me” to a retort of “no couldn’t be, this guy had a magic wand.”
Though that might only serve to point out how silly the screwdriver has gotten.
Doctor_Who
They’ve basically done that. Apparently all the good wizards with magic wands in fairy tales are actually him.
Wack'd
in the screwdriver’s second appearance–in 1968–it blows up a wall
“how silly the screwdriver has gotten” only checks out because “has gotten” is, in fact, past tense
Proxiehunter
But it still doesn’t have a setting for wood.
Tomas
It was once used to actually turn a screw. Once.
Shiro
Best possible July 4th comic, well done.
Oddly, the Brits in my life (boyfriend, friends he’s introduced me to, so we’re talking more than a few people) are the people who seem to be least impressed by Doctor Who. Boyfriend calls him Mr. Spacewizard.
Jason
My reaction to it (as a Brit) is “meh”. Plus I briefly dated someone who was so ridiculously enthusiastic about it that it ruined it for me completely.
In fact I don’t know anyone really into it. Even my husband- who is a TV and film geek, generally older stuff- isn’t overly interested. So… your experience checks out with me.
A lot of enthusiasm for Mr. Potter though.
Needfuldoer
Maybe because it’s been around in the UK for so long at this point, that it’s become part of the background-radiation din that’s “always been there”?
Here in the US I only started hearing about Doctor Who in college during the David Tennant era, and it really started picking up mainstream inertia with Matt Smith.
merbrat
I spent two years in England (USAF ’81-’83), saw Tom Baker’s wax figure at the museum, (?) marveled at the scarf and weird metal dog. Came home to people excited about the show on late night teevee. Finally saw it, loved #4 (Tom). (realized I had watched John Pertwee as Worzel Gummige while in UK)
AnvilPro
Jason and Walky are destined to do this for the rest of their lives
RickZarber
I misread that as “designed” at first. But… also yes.
Doctor_Who
I resemble that remark!
Passchendaele
come on, Jason, at least you can say this isn’t boring, and be thankful walky isn’t talking about the queen. :p
Stephen Bierce
*plays Billy Joel’s “Captain Jack” on the hacked Muzak*
DinaWho
Now I’m just disappointed that ‘Mr. Benjamin Who’ wasn’t in the bit where the Master is discussing the Doctor’s name in World Enough and Time.
Doctor_Who
I was cackling with glee at that exchange, just knowing how many people on the internet were about to lose their shit.
DinaWho
It’s a lovely callback to the fact the character was credited as ‘Dr./Doctor Who’ for several incarnations (at least into late 4, possibly early 5). The joke about mystery and it being ‘too on the nose’ could also be a joke about Seven and the question marks turned up to eleven theme. (I say about Seven completely lovingly – he’s one of my faves)
Yossarianduck
Also the fact that that’s what Capaldi often calls his character in interviews, therefore making it completely acceptable.
Wack'd
Capaldi calls him that because he was watching Doctor Who for its first twenty years, when that’s what he was called!
Yossarianduck
While we’re on the subject, Jason is the only character I could possibly imagine reading TARDIS Eruditorum.
Wack'd
HOORAY FOR OVERLAPPING REFERENCE POOLS
Reltzik
Maybe Amber.
Yossarianduck
Fandom salt is delicious, and Doctor Who fandom shows that it gets even better with age.
Come to think of it, that probably explains half of what drives Willis.