Just as well really, according to Jack Chick, Muslims are moon worshippers whose religion was brought in being by the Catholic Church so they would have an excuse to start holy wars, fun stuff… 🙁
Nezumi
He also claimed that the Moon God thing got them easily accepted by Arab polytheists, which was the intent. … Which is why it’s historically recorded that there was a war over its foundation because proposing the Abrahamic deity as the One True God was so controversial. … Yeah, he’s not terribly bright, or concerned with little things like facts.
Offended? no. I laugh at the incompetence of that tract. I could name a lot of mistakes in that tract and I’m not even a scholar. I maybe an asshat but even I don’t go around saying that every religion accept my own is conceived by Satan.
Rowen Morland
Good for you. I’ve read a few of the ones aimed at things that I’m sympathetic to. I think water off a duck’s back is the way to go.
ryu
I’m glad that you can keep calm about this. If I saw one about my religion, I probably would be very angry.
ryu
never mind, I found one, and while not angry, I am amazed at the incompetence, and broken logic/knowledge it uses.
Yeah, even by his standards, that one’s an astounding pile of incoherent inaccuracy that even someone who once heard a vague description of Buddhism from space aliens would realize was totally wrong.
I’m a Humanist, I don’t know if there’s any Chick Tracts related to that, but I still find it very sad that they exist.
Eposi
just read the Muslim one, surprised no one got punched in the face. First the dad for insulting the prayer, then the Muslim for insulting Christianity, or the dad for tearing down Islam. currios to read one about my chosen faith.
Eposi
wow plenty attacking Islam and Catholics, but none attacking Wicca itself. thy skirt around it with Halloween ones but nothing on the core faith. Now I not Wiccan but a lot of my beliefs are similar
Kaolla
They have one on Discordianism? We’re a group, if you chose to call us a group, who have a sense of humor about out beliefs. I’d probably laugh at anything they had to say, but we’re probably too obscure to bash. Oh well.
If ya don’t know what Discordianism is you can read about it here if you’re curious: http://principiadiscordia.com/ Take it or leave it it’s all up to you. If nothing else ya might get a laugh or two out of the reading :3
dutchguy
If you ask me the worst thing about those Chick Tracts is that he honestly seems to believe what he writes which not only makes it impossible to argue with him but also make probably makes him seem that more convincing in person than if he only did it because he hated Muslims and everyone else that doesn’t share his religion. The face that he really believes he is saving souls makes him all that more passionate after all
Rachel
This…I can’t even form words for this. It’s not so much the sheer ignorance and incompetence of the people who created it, but that there’s probably a whole generation of people who believe it.
thatgirlwiththeglasses
I’m not offended, either, and I’m Muslim. I just find it…really, really stupid. I laughed when reading it. xD
Alex
I’m a christian and I find these more offensive than most of you appear to… hopefully everyone knows that those tracts represent a vocal minority. Still, it’s embarassing that they’re out there.
First time I saw that site, I was positive it was a joke. Any chance it’s run by a troll and meant as parody? It’d somewhat restore my faith in humanity 🙂
Caelan
Unfortunately, Jack Chick is no troll — he really believes the stuff he puts in those tracts, and so do a surprising number of other people who call themselves Christians. I’ve met people like him and like Joyce.
ThatGuy
(yay replying to 4 year old posts). I’m just gunna say as someone who lives in west texas, is devout to God (I dont like calling myself a Christian as Thou Shalt not Worship any before me, w/e and it feels like saying you worship a mortal) and my best friend is an athiest and we love, appreciate, and understand each others beliefs.
But i get sick and tired of when the topic comes up among anyone here that our (American) Government isnt Christian based they get this look on their face that says “Yea yea, we all know we cant publically say it but EVERYONE KNOWS America is Christian”
But again it IS texas so any vocal minority that is stupid would be increased greatly here.
ThatGuy
Thank you for sharing. Also, get me some brain bleach.
Sometimes you got to take one in the head.
FlashXX
Extremly~ Late but… asalaam alaikum!
3 years late but good to see one of us admit this on the web.
Not remotely. She always seemed nice, if flawed. Chick tracts are obviously full of lies and stupid and hypocrisy if you look at them with the least critical eye or the slightest amount of knowledge about their subject.
And, more importantly, they’re blatant and proud-of-themselves hate speech.
My theory is this; Joyce was brought up in a strictly Christain environment right? I suspect that evangelising was seen as an important part of being a Christain and Chick Tracts are seen as a handy-dandy way of spreading the message.
To Joyce, they don’t represent hate and intolorence, Chick Tracts are warnings and showcasing the ways the Devil can get you.
You just need to see Chick Tracts from her propective not ours.
This is why it fits her character.
Maris
I was raised in a strictly Christian environment too, but I never saw a “Chick Tract” until I was in college and friends introduced them to me as the sad, judgmental things they are :/
The type of congregation that employs the Chick Tract is a bit off the standard Christian… er… track, even considering ‘strict’ or ‘conservative.’ For example, Jack Chick’s adherents refuse to wear signs of the cross, because that would be idolatry.
It’s a version of the same problem the Westboro Baptist Church presents. People see Fred Phelps or a Chick Tract, and they think this is representative of Christian thought. Most actual Christians I know, ranging the full spectrum from traditional to charismatic, beg to differ.
Kaolla
Sadly nice and bigoted are not mutually exclusive. My parents are two of the nicest people you will ever meet. They also believe that all homosexuals will burn in hell. As will several other groups according to the stuff I was told growing up. If my parents knew that I was a lesbian I’d have to cut off all contact with them and disappear. I couldn’t let them know my address or my phone number. This is not because they would stop loving me, but because they would never stop trying to change me out of “love.”
If you’ve ever seen that movie But I’m a Cheerleader you’ll know what I’m talking about. My parents would send legions of religious types after me to save me from hell. In a sick way it’s touching but it forces me to choose between hiding who I am around anyone who might ever speak to my family or from losing all contact with my family who I do love despite their flaws.
Hypocrisy, on the other hand, I won’t. Jack Chick clearly believes everything in those tracts, and clearly believes he is saving souls with them.
It doesn’t make the tracts any less offensive, mind. If anything, it scares me a little more.
dutchguy
As I said before I completely agree but while I don’t agree with Jack Chick at all for some reason I can’t help but respect that despite all the criticism he deservedly gets he keeps trying to “help”people in his own stupid ridiculous insensitive uninformed bigoted homophobic racist outdated and just plain offensive way
Not really. Jack Chick isn’t really very popular with the modern “cool” evangelical movement. The movement Jack Chick was part of is mostly dead/de-converted.
I’m not sure Joyce comes from a Modern/Cool Evangelical home instead of one of the older ones. I’ll lay odds she watched a lot of 7th Street Theater and Christiano Brothers films (http://www.christianfilms.com/) too.
I mean, this is a girl who freaked when confronted with Dorothy’s atheism. A modern/cool evangelical Christian would have expected it, and moved on into witnessing.
Good memories indeed…I wrote my honors English high school senior term paper based mostly on debunking the ‘Dark Dungeons’ tract back in 2002…
I REALLY hoped and prayed that this would be a non-issue in a decade…I’m sad to see it is still quite the relevant issue, and Jack Chick is still vomiting out more of his vile tracts…
**SIGH**
Zanosuke_Kurosaki
I hope one of the biggest inaccuracies you pointed out was the sheer impossibility, for the time period, of an equal amount of males and females playing at a game. 😀
Pat
I liked that the game wasn’t even portrayed as evil. The evil witch used it to keep an eye on which children would be best to recruit to her coven, but even in Dark Dungeons DnD is just a game.
A game that the author clearly doesn’t know how to play, but just a game.
Trae
Heck, even now the only women in the group I play with are the DM’s wife, and me. LOL. Okay that was funny though.. people actually take those things, the tracts I mean, seriously?
Maris
For the longest time our gaming group was 2 couples (my best friend and I, and our boyfriends). I love being a girl gamer 😀 My friend and I even dabble in GMing a bit ourselves, though her boyfriend is the main GM in our group 🙂
Rachel
The two groups I am in are gender balanced! I know, it’s a rarity. I feel like it’s becoming less of a unicorn situation though.
Pat
I referenced Chick on an English paper once. He wasn’t the subject, specifically, but I used him as an example.
The professor apparently read the citation page first, because she had written “This is NOT an acceptable source!” over that citation in big red letters. And then crossed it out and wrote “Never mind. Well done!”
yeah, I felt kind of gipped the first time I read the comic. I’ve been playing D&D for AGES and still have yet to see that “mind bondage” spell in any source books…
I’m totally making a monster called “The Zombie.” You can only fight him by yourself, and it’s a self run fight, so the DM doesn’t need to be there. Also, there is only one of him, and he never truly dies. Like the Tarrasque.
I agree. Just because you’re a bit of a religious shut-in… doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be a kookoo-ka-choo Jack Chick tract-reading religious shut-in…
Fun Fact: I was in a chritian almost-cult in my teenage years, and they wouldn’t let us read chick tracts because they said he was a whacko… that coming from a fundie church.
No clue what that is. Please don’t judge me for that and explain. But feel free to judge me for the fact that I’m too lazy to look it up on goggle.
Jimmy
They’re just small publications that are illustrated and have Christian messages, including the Gospel.
Pat
They don’t have Christian messages.
That’s the author’s intent, but they don’t. They’re really very un-Christ-like.
They’re more like… religiousness-themed hate speech. Against gays, Dungeons and Dragons*, Muslims, other types of Christians… I believe there’s some implications about race, too, from what I’ve seen, but he doesn’t say it outright.
They contradict the Bible a bit and basic facts a whole lot. It’s like.. *really* obvious that his facts are made up and he didn’t do any research if you know anything about the subject.
*I believe, though it’s been a while since I’ve paid any attention to the subject so I may be misremembering, that Chick was one of the first to speak out against DnD, so he was actually being a little original there. His way with facts is also “original”, but that’s different.
Jimmy
Fair enough, I was giving a general idea of what they were, that’s all.
Wow I’m not even a scientist and I could demolish that punk o.o “isn’t losing something the opposite of evolution?” HAH! Not unless you’re a Pokémon!
Michael
Weird how I have a degree in chemistry and have never heard of gluons before. Also, do people really take these seriously? I mean they’re all just so… wow.
badmartialarts
Gluons are the particles mediate the strong nuclear force, under some older particle theories. Not sure if they are still around in current models. Can’t blame Chick for being behind on current particle physics.
Seraph
No, but you can blame him for dismissing particle physics as a whole in favor of “Jesus is holding atoms together.”
295 thoughts on “Tracts”
Aizat
Joyce reads Chick Tracts? That’s a shocker.
gangler
huh. I thought you listened to chick tracts. Those are cassette tapes right?
Aizat
I don’t read them. I’m a Muslim.
gangler
Well not you personally, but I thought Chick Tracts were something that were listened to. Audio Cassettes.
Plasma Mongoose
Just as well really, according to Jack Chick, Muslims are moon worshippers whose religion was brought in being by the Catholic Church so they would have an excuse to start holy wars, fun stuff… 🙁
Nezumi
He also claimed that the Moon God thing got them easily accepted by Arab polytheists, which was the intent. … Which is why it’s historically recorded that there was a war over its foundation because proposing the Abrahamic deity as the One True God was so controversial. … Yeah, he’s not terribly bright, or concerned with little things like facts.
kagato23
http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp
For everybody!
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp
Extra special reading for Aizat if you want to make sure your offended tonight!
Nichan
Don’t do it, IT’S A TRAP.
David Herbert
Must… avoid… crappy religious nutcase…
QueenThomas
Ackbar! Is that you!?
Nichan
Remember, kids- WWAD?
…It’s a TRAP!
Pat
Is it really a trap if you know what it is?
Nichan
Everything is always a trap.
Thunderbattle
…that is why Humperdink is still alive.
Aizat
Offended? no. I laugh at the incompetence of that tract. I could name a lot of mistakes in that tract and I’m not even a scholar. I maybe an asshat but even I don’t go around saying that every religion accept my own is conceived by Satan.
Rowen Morland
Good for you. I’ve read a few of the ones aimed at things that I’m sympathetic to. I think water off a duck’s back is the way to go.
ryu
I’m glad that you can keep calm about this. If I saw one about my religion, I probably would be very angry.
ryu
never mind, I found one, and while not angry, I am amazed at the incompetence, and broken logic/knowledge it uses.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0016/0016_01.asp
ryu
it made me go http://memedepot.com/view.php?page=1148
So many times, it’s not even funny.
Nezumi
Yeah, even by his standards, that one’s an astounding pile of incoherent inaccuracy that even someone who once heard a vague description of Buddhism from space aliens would realize was totally wrong.
Jenny Creed
I’m a Humanist, I don’t know if there’s any Chick Tracts related to that, but I still find it very sad that they exist.
Eposi
just read the Muslim one, surprised no one got punched in the face. First the dad for insulting the prayer, then the Muslim for insulting Christianity, or the dad for tearing down Islam. currios to read one about my chosen faith.
Eposi
wow plenty attacking Islam and Catholics, but none attacking Wicca itself. thy skirt around it with Halloween ones but nothing on the core faith. Now I not Wiccan but a lot of my beliefs are similar
Kaolla
They have one on Discordianism? We’re a group, if you chose to call us a group, who have a sense of humor about out beliefs. I’d probably laugh at anything they had to say, but we’re probably too obscure to bash. Oh well.
If ya don’t know what Discordianism is you can read about it here if you’re curious: http://principiadiscordia.com/ Take it or leave it it’s all up to you. If nothing else ya might get a laugh or two out of the reading :3
dutchguy
If you ask me the worst thing about those Chick Tracts is that he honestly seems to believe what he writes which not only makes it impossible to argue with him but also make probably makes him seem that more convincing in person than if he only did it because he hated Muslims and everyone else that doesn’t share his religion. The face that he really believes he is saving souls makes him all that more passionate after all
Rachel
This…I can’t even form words for this. It’s not so much the sheer ignorance and incompetence of the people who created it, but that there’s probably a whole generation of people who believe it.
thatgirlwiththeglasses
I’m not offended, either, and I’m Muslim. I just find it…really, really stupid. I laughed when reading it. xD
Alex
I’m a christian and I find these more offensive than most of you appear to… hopefully everyone knows that those tracts represent a vocal minority. Still, it’s embarassing that they’re out there.
First time I saw that site, I was positive it was a joke. Any chance it’s run by a troll and meant as parody? It’d somewhat restore my faith in humanity 🙂
Caelan
Unfortunately, Jack Chick is no troll — he really believes the stuff he puts in those tracts, and so do a surprising number of other people who call themselves Christians. I’ve met people like him and like Joyce.
ThatGuy
(yay replying to 4 year old posts). I’m just gunna say as someone who lives in west texas, is devout to God (I dont like calling myself a Christian as Thou Shalt not Worship any before me, w/e and it feels like saying you worship a mortal) and my best friend is an athiest and we love, appreciate, and understand each others beliefs.
But i get sick and tired of when the topic comes up among anyone here that our (American) Government isnt Christian based they get this look on their face that says “Yea yea, we all know we cant publically say it but EVERYONE KNOWS America is Christian”
But again it IS texas so any vocal minority that is stupid would be increased greatly here.
ThatGuy
Thank you for sharing. Also, get me some brain bleach.
Sometimes you got to take one in the head.
FlashXX
Extremly~ Late but… asalaam alaikum!
3 years late but good to see one of us admit this on the web.
Aizat
No, you read them. It’s like a comic strip of some sort.
Volkai
No, you’re thinking of chick TRACKS.
EEK
Chick tracts are the Christian version of the crazy aunt nobody takes seriously and people wish would stop making everyone else look that crazy
Plasma Mongoose
No surprise to me whatsoever, Jack Chick fits her so well.
Pat
Not remotely. She always seemed nice, if flawed. Chick tracts are obviously full of lies and stupid and hypocrisy if you look at them with the least critical eye or the slightest amount of knowledge about their subject.
And, more importantly, they’re blatant and proud-of-themselves hate speech.
Plasma Mongoose
My theory is this; Joyce was brought up in a strictly Christain environment right? I suspect that evangelising was seen as an important part of being a Christain and Chick Tracts are seen as a handy-dandy way of spreading the message.
To Joyce, they don’t represent hate and intolorence, Chick Tracts are warnings and showcasing the ways the Devil can get you.
You just need to see Chick Tracts from her propective not ours.
This is why it fits her character.
Maris
I was raised in a strictly Christian environment too, but I never saw a “Chick Tract” until I was in college and friends introduced them to me as the sad, judgmental things they are :/
Eric Burns-White
The type of congregation that employs the Chick Tract is a bit off the standard Christian… er… track, even considering ‘strict’ or ‘conservative.’ For example, Jack Chick’s adherents refuse to wear signs of the cross, because that would be idolatry.
It’s a version of the same problem the Westboro Baptist Church presents. People see Fred Phelps or a Chick Tract, and they think this is representative of Christian thought. Most actual Christians I know, ranging the full spectrum from traditional to charismatic, beg to differ.
Kaolla
Sadly nice and bigoted are not mutually exclusive. My parents are two of the nicest people you will ever meet. They also believe that all homosexuals will burn in hell. As will several other groups according to the stuff I was told growing up. If my parents knew that I was a lesbian I’d have to cut off all contact with them and disappear. I couldn’t let them know my address or my phone number. This is not because they would stop loving me, but because they would never stop trying to change me out of “love.”
If you’ve ever seen that movie But I’m a Cheerleader you’ll know what I’m talking about. My parents would send legions of religious types after me to save me from hell. In a sick way it’s touching but it forces me to choose between hiding who I am around anyone who might ever speak to my family or from losing all contact with my family who I do love despite their flaws.
Eric Burns-White
Flaws and stupidity I’ll agree with.
Hypocrisy, on the other hand, I won’t. Jack Chick clearly believes everything in those tracts, and clearly believes he is saving souls with them.
It doesn’t make the tracts any less offensive, mind. If anything, it scares me a little more.
dutchguy
As I said before I completely agree but while I don’t agree with Jack Chick at all for some reason I can’t help but respect that despite all the criticism he deservedly gets he keeps trying to “help”people in his own stupid ridiculous insensitive uninformed bigoted homophobic racist outdated and just plain offensive way
R
Not really. Jack Chick isn’t really very popular with the modern “cool” evangelical movement. The movement Jack Chick was part of is mostly dead/de-converted.
Eric Burns-White
I’m not sure Joyce comes from a Modern/Cool Evangelical home instead of one of the older ones. I’ll lay odds she watched a lot of 7th Street Theater and Christiano Brothers films (http://www.christianfilms.com/) too.
I mean, this is a girl who freaked when confronted with Dorothy’s atheism. A modern/cool evangelical Christian would have expected it, and moved on into witnessing.
Michael Haneline
My favorite Chick tract is Dark Dungeons: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP
HIL-ARIOUS
turkishproverb
Ah Good memories. I’ve been handed so many of those. I used to work in a place next to one of the fundie shopped stores.
Abjuron
Good memories indeed…I wrote my honors English high school senior term paper based mostly on debunking the ‘Dark Dungeons’ tract back in 2002…
I REALLY hoped and prayed that this would be a non-issue in a decade…I’m sad to see it is still quite the relevant issue, and Jack Chick is still vomiting out more of his vile tracts…
**SIGH**
Zanosuke_Kurosaki
I hope one of the biggest inaccuracies you pointed out was the sheer impossibility, for the time period, of an equal amount of males and females playing at a game. 😀
Pat
I liked that the game wasn’t even portrayed as evil. The evil witch used it to keep an eye on which children would be best to recruit to her coven, but even in Dark Dungeons DnD is just a game.
A game that the author clearly doesn’t know how to play, but just a game.
Trae
Heck, even now the only women in the group I play with are the DM’s wife, and me. LOL. Okay that was funny though.. people actually take those things, the tracts I mean, seriously?
Maris
For the longest time our gaming group was 2 couples (my best friend and I, and our boyfriends). I love being a girl gamer 😀 My friend and I even dabble in GMing a bit ourselves, though her boyfriend is the main GM in our group 🙂
Rachel
The two groups I am in are gender balanced! I know, it’s a rarity. I feel like it’s becoming less of a unicorn situation though.
Pat
I referenced Chick on an English paper once. He wasn’t the subject, specifically, but I used him as an example.
The professor apparently read the citation page first, because she had written “This is NOT an acceptable source!” over that citation in big red letters. And then crossed it out and wrote “Never mind. Well done!”
ryan
i love that he includes a warning to any would-be excorcists.
this needs to be updated. replace dungeons and dragons with pokemon.
Rachel
DAMN! I wish playing D&D gave superpowers! I’d be Jesus by now. But actually, though. Level six cleric is Jesus.
Michael Haneline
yeah, I felt kind of gipped the first time I read the comic. I’ve been playing D&D for AGES and still have yet to see that “mind bondage” spell in any source books…
RPJesus
I’m totally making a monster called “The Zombie.” You can only fight him by yourself, and it’s a self run fight, so the DM doesn’t need to be there. Also, there is only one of him, and he never truly dies. Like the Tarrasque.
Broughtlight
I love that one. Personally, though, this Darkseid parody is my favorite: http://cissie-king.livejournal.com/13838.html. He’s the Tiger-Force at the core of all things!
DT
I agree. Just because you’re a bit of a religious shut-in… doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be a kookoo-ka-choo Jack Chick tract-reading religious shut-in…
Mkvenner
What is Chick Tract?
Aisling
Fun Fact: I was in a chritian almost-cult in my teenage years, and they wouldn’t let us read chick tracts because they said he was a whacko… that coming from a fundie church.
addude
What’s coming out of Joyce’s shoes?
Aizat
Chick Tracts.
Jimmy
Because who wouldn’t want to read tracts that smell like feet?
Plasma Mongoose
Chick Tracts should come in 2ply rolls, then they could be useful for more than just /b/ fodder.
ryu
that would be great.
addude
No clue what that is. Please don’t judge me for that and explain. But feel free to judge me for the fact that I’m too lazy to look it up on goggle.
Jimmy
They’re just small publications that are illustrated and have Christian messages, including the Gospel.
Pat
They don’t have Christian messages.
That’s the author’s intent, but they don’t. They’re really very un-Christ-like.
They’re more like… religiousness-themed hate speech. Against gays, Dungeons and Dragons*, Muslims, other types of Christians… I believe there’s some implications about race, too, from what I’ve seen, but he doesn’t say it outright.
They contradict the Bible a bit and basic facts a whole lot. It’s like.. *really* obvious that his facts are made up and he didn’t do any research if you know anything about the subject.
*I believe, though it’s been a while since I’ve paid any attention to the subject so I may be misremembering, that Chick was one of the first to speak out against DnD, so he was actually being a little original there. His way with facts is also “original”, but that’s different.
Jimmy
Fair enough, I was giving a general idea of what they were, that’s all.
Plasma Mongoose
here below is an example of a Chick Tract, ENJOY.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp
Undrave
Wow I’m not even a scientist and I could demolish that punk o.o “isn’t losing something the opposite of evolution?” HAH! Not unless you’re a Pokémon!
Michael
Weird how I have a degree in chemistry and have never heard of gluons before. Also, do people really take these seriously? I mean they’re all just so… wow.
badmartialarts
Gluons are the particles mediate the strong nuclear force, under some older particle theories. Not sure if they are still around in current models. Can’t blame Chick for being behind on current particle physics.
Seraph
No, but you can blame him for dismissing particle physics as a whole in favor of “Jesus is holding atoms together.”