unfortunately too many people got mad when we punched the Nazis in the face, so we never managed to get rid of them… this story about to Willis again? (by that I mean, mood whiplash into trauma real quick) ~<3
Icalasari
Betting on Jocelyne getting shot at, with a good chance of Joyce taking the bullet – either accidentally or on purpose. If she doesn’t take the bullet, then Mary comments that Jocelyne deserves it for “being a perverted man” and the user Let Joyce Kill gets to be VERY happy
Right? Is this an Indiana thing? I’ve been to two encampments in two major cities and there were no snipers (based on my experience, the local news, and local Reddit chatter)—but like I said, these were major cities, not Indiana.
This draws heavily from the Palestinian protests at IU last year (inclusing the rules about Dunn Meadow being changed on them), and there were truly police snipers at those.
It’s definitely possible everywhere in the US these days, but local politics do have an impact on the likelihood.
Regina phalange
Thank you, this is the answer I was looking for. Disgusting intimidation tactics, though I’m not shocked.
AK
I was wondering if this was about something specific, that seems like a weirdly specific detail to choose if one was just choosing to depict a random high tension protest, let alone a random college campus protest. Thank you for having the knowledge.
No snipers that you knew of, at least. Odds are the reason Asma can see the sniper in this scenario is this: they *want* the students to see them. They’re going for intimidation.
I remember seeing somewhere footage of a sniper set up above a sports stadium, they didn’t want people to know he was there, until after the fact, or they wouldn’t have released the footage of him being there. I tried looking it up, but the details are fuzzy as it was quite a while ago. ~<3
Aubrey
Pretty much all large public events (sporting events, music festivals) in the US have snipers; it’s standard practice at this point.
Bodmans
It’s sad it got to this point
Lysbeth
It’s sad it got to the point there was even one
yak
that sounds dubious. Source?
yak
After searching, I can find lots of people saying it is true and the Dallas Cowboys owner confirming that his stadium at least has dedicated sniper nests. I guess because important dickheads might be attending.
ubertook
I was there at Dunn Meadow last Spring, there was a sniper on the rooftop and *possible spoiler* lots of people did get arrested.
They had one on my campus (also Midwest) during BLM. A few times since then. It’s to “keep students safe.”
Lilith Rose
On my campus, before I went there, during protests in the 80’s, the students also brought snipers. Resulted in the police & national guard refusing to get close to the protesters.
Reminder that mainstream media was reporting this as an attempted mass shooting right up until the footage surfaced, complete with Gamboa taking aim and only being stopped by security opening fire. Because of course they did.
The Queer Agenda [frog memes]
Well, the Black Panthers doing organized group open carry scared Reagan enough to pass gun control in California. You can decide how successful or not they were overall, but history gives some ideas of how things could go.
eh, whatever
That wasn’t a protest, though. It was a parade: “here we are, we’re all armed and maybe even trained, fear us”.
Torgamous
I’m curious what you think a protest is, that you think that doesn’t qualify.
Blakey
That’s… What a protest is. Empty gestures don’t define protest. Demands and the will to force the hand of the ruling class does. Hanging around and making sure you don’t inconvenience anyone, frighten anyone, or break the law in any way is what can rightly be dismissed as “not a protest”, but a group of armed activists showing that they can and will ensure their people’s rights is absolutely a protest.
it’s definitely a thing, particularly when the protests are anti-racist. most of the ICE protests i’ve been to over the years have had police snipers glowering down at the protesters
Regina phalange
I’m with you that it’s a thing in general—I’ve seen them at ICE protests as well—but the encampments I’ve been to on the east coast didn’t have them so I was wondering. Other commenters pointed out that it was a thing in Indiana and Ohio with respect to the encampments, however.
Bash
Was it an encampment that was there for weeks at a time? Because obviously it’s going to be hard to have snipers for that long.
See, I did the crazy thing and googled “sniper at protest” and got this hit on the first page:
Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com › snipers-roofs-gaza-studen…
Apr 30, 2024 — Students and protesters have reported sightings of snipers on top of rooftops at Ohio State University and the University of Indiana Bloomingdale’s.
Regina phalange
Crazy. Not like I asked if this was an Indiana thing (I literally did, and not rhetorically). Maybe your snark would have been deserved if I had assertively stated there were no protests with snipers based on my limited experience, but I did not do that.
Sorry I’d rather ask here, where I’ve seen that commenters are pretty familiar with Indiana happenings and are generally happy to inform, than google when half the news will have a red slant? Not everyone lives in Indiana, and that Newsweek article isn’t even in the top ten results when I google what you claim to have googled, perhaps because I’m on the east coast. But go ahead and be aggressive whenever anyone asks a question—I’m suuure that will get loads of people to listen to you.
Jamie
I mean, I didn’t know either; I relayed the method I used to find out.
Frankly, I was surprised that it’d happened specifically at Bloomington. I thought it’d be a different protest that Willis was pulling from, but it seems that he’s portraying a very specific incident, down to the exact location the sniper was placed at and the Dunn Meadow decision.
Sorry that you felt a need to get aggressive as a result. Hope that gets people to answer questions for you in the future. I’d call my manager for you, but it turns out I’m not being paid to take your shit.
AlexanderHammil
aren’t they great, folks? be sure to try the veal!
HungryHoosier
“University of Indiana Bloomingdale’s” leads me to believe that just grabbing first-page Google results isn’t the most reliable source of info either.
There were cop snipers in LA at the Ice Out of LA and No Kings protests. It is, unfortunately, a thing that exists. Not sure how common it is for campus protest, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s much more common than anyone should be remotely comfortable with (0, zero snipers “policing” protests should be the amount that people are comfortable with).
Yeah, it’s very easy to blame the rot in America on foreigners, but the worst of it is coming from inside the house.
Steamweed
With the notable exception of 09/11 4-plane suicide crashes, I’m told our domestic terrorists have committed most of the terrorism murders.
Casi
Hitler admired the racists in late 19th and early 20th century America, and modeled a lot of the Nazi Party ideologies on them. And then we imported a bunch of Nazi war criminals during and after WW2 with Operation Paperclip.
Kent State wasn’t snipers. It was, according to my reading, poorly trained and uncommanded National Guardsmen who got scared by students running to see the action, took it for an attack, and shot more or less at random. Considering the people who got shot were some distance away, this seems likely.
Charles Phipps
The larger issue of course is why they were there to begin with.
oh believe me, am well aware of Operation Paperclip, and what happened in Germany was hardly an isolated incident
like. national guard. snipers. at peaceful protests. really.
at this point, any notion of the intrinsic value of attempts at appealing to our oppressors’ better natures or so-called “compromise” is a fools errand
I. Am. Drawing. A. Line. In. The. Sand.
and I advise you all to do the same
where our country is right now, and where it’s heading, is VERY worrying to say the least, as we are widely coerced into gradually lowering the bar for acceptable bigotries and oppressions until eventually, that bar effectively ceases to exist
if it’s not the impossible seeming choice you’re faced with of having to alienate bigots who happen to be people you wanted to be friends with,
it’s the even MORE impossible, devastating choice you’ll eventually be forced to make when you have to choose between your job and watching someone you love shipped to an internment camp
nearly 80 years ago my great grandparents and their friends learned this the hard way, and nearly died because of it
if we can help it, would really prefer history not repeat itself ?
willow wind
*plays the international in hacked muzak*
but seriously, you are right in everything you said. If we don’t start fighting now, things will get very bad very fast for a long time. Much worse than they are now.
idk if there’s been ‘snipers at protests’ issues before but i wouldn’t be surprised if a handful of ppl brought guns as counter protests esp in teh south. although while i believe ppl should have a right to defend themselves too, any ‘peaceful’ protesters that also have guns on them would be an excuse to be arrested too even if there’s permit/carry laws where you are
Like most issues at protests the “snipers at protests” issues are being caused by the police. The issue is that police put snipers at protests. So far it’s just been intimidation (unlike the rubber bullets being fired directly into people’s faces instead of being bounced off the pavement as they’re designed to be used) but one of these days one of those donut devouring motherfuckers is going to pull the trigger and take out one or more protesters.
Developed? Fascism has been around it the US for a very long time. Most people didn’t notice it much in the past because it was either directed outward at countries we invaded and/or bombed, or directed at small and very hated groups in this country like communists.
Or World War 1 veterans protesting because the bonuses they were promised were stolen from them. Or before that, when a chunk of the states seceded because they were scared they might not get to own other people as slaves. Or before that, when the powers that be even in the “civilized” states owned slaves and saw no problem with it. All while enacting a genocide against native populations that they made and broke treaty after treaty with.
The US has always loved authoritarianism and fascism. Even before they were codified and taught in schools.
Kyulen
Very true. Much of that history is not taught in American schools. I recommend people who want to have a more accurate understanding of US history read “A People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn.
America started with a genocide, built itself with slavery, and every vote that wasn’t white, male, and middle class had to be dragged from the ruling class by force.
America has never NOT had a fascism problem.
Nymph
of note, this is me agreeing with Kyulen.
Kyulen
It always surprises me when that happens.
Nymph
lmao not what I meant. I just didn’t want anyone to get feisty thinking I was arguing instead of offering further evidence.
Kyulen
I know, I was just saying I’m surprised when we agree with each other. Most of the time when I comment here I’m not trying to start an argument.
Agreeing on the Nazi problem, but also, any large gathering of people has the potential to get a sniper in America.
You can spot them at sports events, concerts, protests, marketplaces, any event that draws a crowd.
While at the protests it can definitely be a “someone in charge does not like this happening” thing, sometimes they’re privately employed by security companies to pre emptively prepare for mass shootings. The idea is that if they spot a mass shooter, they can take them out first.
I do not condone this. I wish we had a country where we didn’t have THIS be a “solution” to mass shootings. I just wanted to explain that they can be found anywhere if you just start looking for them.
it’s always had a bad one, remember the country was literally built on slavery and we never really addressed our sins on that count, so its just been a slow slide back into the old status quo.
The nazis wouldnt have existed without the success of american colonization. America was always worse, and if an American flag doesnt look like a turbo swastika to you, you’re niave
366 thoughts on “Trustees”
NGPZ
a fucking sniper. just. why.
…
I ain’t gonna fuck around imma just say it as it is
The United States has developed a Nazi Problem ?
AeromechanicalAce
We passed “Problem” Decades ago. What we have now is a full blown Nazi Occupation.
DJTsurugi
unfortunately too many people got mad when we punched the Nazis in the face, so we never managed to get rid of them… this story about to Willis again? (by that I mean, mood whiplash into trauma real quick) ~<3
Icalasari
Betting on Jocelyne getting shot at, with a good chance of Joyce taking the bullet – either accidentally or on purpose. If she doesn’t take the bullet, then Mary comments that Jocelyne deserves it for “being a perverted man” and the user Let Joyce Kill gets to be VERY happy
Lysbeth
I wouldn’t say occupation. The call is coming from inside the house. Or the House, as the case may be.
Regina phalange
Right? Is this an Indiana thing? I’ve been to two encampments in two major cities and there were no snipers (based on my experience, the local news, and local Reddit chatter)—but like I said, these were major cities, not Indiana.
Taffy
I don’t think real-world statistical probability matters here.
not someone else
To my knowledge it has happened before and usually means some people in power are getting very, very scared and offended.
Taffy
Fear is good for them to be feeling. Power needs to be afraid.
Yumi
This draws heavily from the Palestinian protests at IU last year (inclusing the rules about Dunn Meadow being changed on them), and there were truly police snipers at those.
It’s definitely possible everywhere in the US these days, but local politics do have an impact on the likelihood.
Regina phalange
Thank you, this is the answer I was looking for. Disgusting intimidation tactics, though I’m not shocked.
AK
I was wondering if this was about something specific, that seems like a weirdly specific detail to choose if one was just choosing to depict a random high tension protest, let alone a random college campus protest. Thank you for having the knowledge.
Tequila Mockingbird
No snipers that you knew of, at least. Odds are the reason Asma can see the sniper in this scenario is this: they *want* the students to see them. They’re going for intimidation.
DJTsurugi
I remember seeing somewhere footage of a sniper set up above a sports stadium, they didn’t want people to know he was there, until after the fact, or they wouldn’t have released the footage of him being there. I tried looking it up, but the details are fuzzy as it was quite a while ago. ~<3
Aubrey
Pretty much all large public events (sporting events, music festivals) in the US have snipers; it’s standard practice at this point.
Bodmans
It’s sad it got to this point
Lysbeth
It’s sad it got to the point there was even one
yak
that sounds dubious. Source?
yak
After searching, I can find lots of people saying it is true and the Dallas Cowboys owner confirming that his stadium at least has dedicated sniper nests. I guess because important dickheads might be attending.
ubertook
I was there at Dunn Meadow last Spring, there was a sniper on the rooftop and *possible spoiler* lots of people did get arrested.
Brainz
They had one on my campus (also Midwest) during BLM. A few times since then. It’s to “keep students safe.”
Lilith Rose
On my campus, before I went there, during protests in the 80’s, the students also brought snipers. Resulted in the police & national guard refusing to get close to the protesters.
They really only understand violence.
Taffy
That’s a good idea, actually.
Davus
Question: Was that legal? And would that work today, do you think?
Bash
It would depend on the gun laws in that state. Even if it was legal, it was certainly not safe with armed police on the scene.
Laura
Well, apparently Arturo Gamboa tried open carrying at a protest just a week or so ago. Did not end well.
https://www.thehandbasket.co/p/salt-lake-city-no-kings-shooting-arturo-gamboa
https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-arturo-gamboa-released-jail-045112201.html
Blakey
Reminder that mainstream media was reporting this as an attempted mass shooting right up until the footage surfaced, complete with Gamboa taking aim and only being stopped by security opening fire. Because of course they did.
The Queer Agenda [frog memes]
Well, the Black Panthers doing organized group open carry scared Reagan enough to pass gun control in California. You can decide how successful or not they were overall, but history gives some ideas of how things could go.
eh, whatever
That wasn’t a protest, though. It was a parade: “here we are, we’re all armed and maybe even trained, fear us”.
Torgamous
I’m curious what you think a protest is, that you think that doesn’t qualify.
Blakey
That’s… What a protest is. Empty gestures don’t define protest. Demands and the will to force the hand of the ruling class does. Hanging around and making sure you don’t inconvenience anyone, frighten anyone, or break the law in any way is what can rightly be dismissed as “not a protest”, but a group of armed activists showing that they can and will ensure their people’s rights is absolutely a protest.
AlexanderHammil
it’s definitely a thing, particularly when the protests are anti-racist. most of the ICE protests i’ve been to over the years have had police snipers glowering down at the protesters
Regina phalange
I’m with you that it’s a thing in general—I’ve seen them at ICE protests as well—but the encampments I’ve been to on the east coast didn’t have them so I was wondering. Other commenters pointed out that it was a thing in Indiana and Ohio with respect to the encampments, however.
Bash
Was it an encampment that was there for weeks at a time? Because obviously it’s going to be hard to have snipers for that long.
Taffy
I’m not sure snipers are particularly known for moving a whole bunch.
Jamie
See, I did the crazy thing and googled “sniper at protest” and got this hit on the first page:
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com › snipers-roofs-gaza-studen…
Apr 30, 2024 — Students and protesters have reported sightings of snipers on top of rooftops at Ohio State University and the University of Indiana Bloomingdale’s.
Regina phalange
Crazy. Not like I asked if this was an Indiana thing (I literally did, and not rhetorically). Maybe your snark would have been deserved if I had assertively stated there were no protests with snipers based on my limited experience, but I did not do that.
Sorry I’d rather ask here, where I’ve seen that commenters are pretty familiar with Indiana happenings and are generally happy to inform, than google when half the news will have a red slant? Not everyone lives in Indiana, and that Newsweek article isn’t even in the top ten results when I google what you claim to have googled, perhaps because I’m on the east coast. But go ahead and be aggressive whenever anyone asks a question—I’m suuure that will get loads of people to listen to you.
Jamie
I mean, I didn’t know either; I relayed the method I used to find out.
Frankly, I was surprised that it’d happened specifically at Bloomington. I thought it’d be a different protest that Willis was pulling from, but it seems that he’s portraying a very specific incident, down to the exact location the sniper was placed at and the Dunn Meadow decision.
Sorry that you felt a need to get aggressive as a result. Hope that gets people to answer questions for you in the future. I’d call my manager for you, but it turns out I’m not being paid to take your shit.
AlexanderHammil
aren’t they great, folks? be sure to try the veal!
HungryHoosier
“University of Indiana Bloomingdale’s” leads me to believe that just grabbing first-page Google results isn’t the most reliable source of info either.
PedanticJerkass
Or maybe you just didn’t see them.
UmmaGumma
Surely not the only place, but it happened at Ohio State at least …
Ymbrael
There were cop snipers in LA at the Ice Out of LA and No Kings protests. It is, unfortunately, a thing that exists. Not sure how common it is for campus protest, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s much more common than anyone should be remotely comfortable with (0, zero snipers “policing” protests should be the amount that people are comfortable with).
DailyBrad
I don’t like this framing mostly due to the fact it isn’t like Nazis ever had a monopoly on this shit. Kent State springs to mind.
Thag Simmons
Yeah, it’s very easy to blame the rot in America on foreigners, but the worst of it is coming from inside the house.
Steamweed
With the notable exception of 09/11 4-plane suicide crashes, I’m told our domestic terrorists have committed most of the terrorism murders.
Casi
Hitler admired the racists in late 19th and early 20th century America, and modeled a lot of the Nazi Party ideologies on them. And then we imported a bunch of Nazi war criminals during and after WW2 with Operation Paperclip.
BarerMender
Kent State wasn’t snipers. It was, according to my reading, poorly trained and uncommanded National Guardsmen who got scared by students running to see the action, took it for an attack, and shot more or less at random. Considering the people who got shot were some distance away, this seems likely.
Charles Phipps
The larger issue of course is why they were there to begin with.
Wereg
Oh, we had a problem back with Paperclip. Now? It’s just a Nazi state.
Buuuut we were shooting college students long before it hit this point.
NGPZ
oh believe me, am well aware of Operation Paperclip, and what happened in Germany was hardly an isolated incident
like. national guard. snipers. at peaceful protests. really.
at this point, any notion of the intrinsic value of attempts at appealing to our oppressors’ better natures or so-called “compromise” is a fools errand
I. Am. Drawing. A. Line. In. The. Sand.
and I advise you all to do the same
where our country is right now, and where it’s heading, is VERY worrying to say the least, as we are widely coerced into gradually lowering the bar for acceptable bigotries and oppressions until eventually, that bar effectively ceases to exist
if it’s not the impossible seeming choice you’re faced with of having to alienate bigots who happen to be people you wanted to be friends with,
it’s the even MORE impossible, devastating choice you’ll eventually be forced to make when you have to choose between your job and watching someone you love shipped to an internment camp
nearly 80 years ago my great grandparents and their friends learned this the hard way, and nearly died because of it
if we can help it, would really prefer history not repeat itself ?
willow wind
*plays the international in hacked muzak*
but seriously, you are right in everything you said. If we don’t start fighting now, things will get very bad very fast for a long time. Much worse than they are now.
anon
idk if there’s been ‘snipers at protests’ issues before but i wouldn’t be surprised if a handful of ppl brought guns as counter protests esp in teh south. although while i believe ppl should have a right to defend themselves too, any ‘peaceful’ protesters that also have guns on them would be an excuse to be arrested too even if there’s permit/carry laws where you are
Proxiehunter
Like most issues at protests the “snipers at protests” issues are being caused by the police. The issue is that police put snipers at protests. So far it’s just been intimidation (unlike the rubber bullets being fired directly into people’s faces instead of being bounced off the pavement as they’re designed to be used) but one of these days one of those donut devouring motherfuckers is going to pull the trigger and take out one or more protesters.
Kyulen
Developed? Fascism has been around it the US for a very long time. Most people didn’t notice it much in the past because it was either directed outward at countries we invaded and/or bombed, or directed at small and very hated groups in this country like communists.
Azrael
Or World War 1 veterans protesting because the bonuses they were promised were stolen from them. Or before that, when a chunk of the states seceded because they were scared they might not get to own other people as slaves. Or before that, when the powers that be even in the “civilized” states owned slaves and saw no problem with it. All while enacting a genocide against native populations that they made and broke treaty after treaty with.
The US has always loved authoritarianism and fascism. Even before they were codified and taught in schools.
Kyulen
Very true. Much of that history is not taught in American schools. I recommend people who want to have a more accurate understanding of US history read “A People’s History of the United States” by Howard Zinn.
Nymph
America started with a genocide, built itself with slavery, and every vote that wasn’t white, male, and middle class had to be dragged from the ruling class by force.
America has never NOT had a fascism problem.
Nymph
of note, this is me agreeing with Kyulen.
Kyulen
It always surprises me when that happens.
Nymph
lmao not what I meant. I just didn’t want anyone to get feisty thinking I was arguing instead of offering further evidence.
Kyulen
I know, I was just saying I’m surprised when we agree with each other. Most of the time when I comment here I’m not trying to start an argument.
NGPZ
Yeah like, half of our country used to be its own nation founded for the sole purpose of maintaining slavery and white supremacist social order.
Where do you think the Nazis got it from? Hitler literally said he was inspired by the United States
Acher4
77 million Americans chose evil. Thrice!
Suzi
Agreeing on the Nazi problem, but also, any large gathering of people has the potential to get a sniper in America.
You can spot them at sports events, concerts, protests, marketplaces, any event that draws a crowd.
While at the protests it can definitely be a “someone in charge does not like this happening” thing, sometimes they’re privately employed by security companies to pre emptively prepare for mass shootings. The idea is that if they spot a mass shooter, they can take them out first.
I do not condone this. I wish we had a country where we didn’t have THIS be a “solution” to mass shootings. I just wanted to explain that they can be found anywhere if you just start looking for them.
achallenger
it’s always had a bad one, remember the country was literally built on slavery and we never really addressed our sins on that count, so its just been a slow slide back into the old status quo.
Ho-Chi-Minh
The nazis wouldnt have existed without the success of american colonization. America was always worse, and if an American flag doesnt look like a turbo swastika to you, you’re niave
Sirksome
So Asma was here!
Deanatay
HA I was right! Hello, Asma!
… And goodbye, freedom to protest. Hello, facist America!
Thag Simmons
Is this the first time we’ve seen Asma not behind her desk?
Thag Simmons
Having just checked, no, she confronted Blaine during the family weekend
Steamweed
Thank you for your research work!
Queezle