I actually hope Dorothy doesn’t decide to go back to wanting to be President because the point of college is change and self-growth. We’ve seen Joe, Joyce, and Walkerton have arcs about changing but I think that Dorothy has struggled with that because everyone thought she had it all figured out. When, in fact, we the reader know she was pretty miserable with her lifepath.
Also, we know she’s absolutely terrible at getting people to go along with her or making deals.
Yeah, but this could definitely lead to a new understanding of how she could make a positive difference in the world without becoming a Random War Crimes Generator.
I hope this is more of a “don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater” sort of deal. Take a step back, refocus, and find a new path forward that still uses her drive to do good.
1. Rationalize: better than a worse person attempting the same thing.
2. Carve name on moon.
3. Profit!
4. Throne built out of the bones of acceptable losses.
She was only miserable on her life path* when Raidah made her question it and think that it’s ridiculous to try being a “good” President. Jocelyn is pointing out that even if the world is chaos, not trying to change it means submission to that chaos.
*Okay that’s not entirely fair, she was having a bit of trouble thinking about transferring and leaving her friends, but that’s a different flavor of despair than a moral quandary over the possibility of a moral POTUS.
If one person making a snide comment makes you reconsider your entire life, you were already reconsidering your entire life.
Veronica
What does it mean if one person makes a supportive comment and you reconsider your life back to the previous path?
Taffy
Means you’re easily influenced and should probably work on that.
HueSatLight
Dorothy was already expecting a critical remark from her. Just a different critical remark.
It reminds me of religious apologetics a lot. The main goal isn’t to convert other people, that’s secondary. The main goal is to repress one’s own doubts.
Dorothy had the doubt-repressing reply ready to go. “Nothing wrong with having goals,” isn’t meant to convince Raidah or whomever. It’s something that Dorothy might tell herself whenever anyone said something like, “that’s kind of silly at this point in your life.”
If Dorothy snaps back to her original goal, then it won’t be the end of this arc. It is a child’s goal and a child’s plan (and a child’s misunderstanding why so many presidents have gone to Ivy League schools). And if her desire is to shape policy to help as many people as possible, her very singular goal is a terrible way to do that.
Veronica
“It is a child’s goal and a child’s plan (and a child’s misunderstanding”
The thing is that “you do understand what becoming president actually entails?” wouldn’t have landed if it didn’t build on her existing doubts and stuff she already knew.
One can go through change and self-growth without giving up on goala and dreams. It can provided guidance in re-shaping those dreams, or nuance. Just because someone’s goals remain the same, doesn’t preclude them from having grown.
Ooooorr, here me out, she goes back to wanting to be president, but with the prerequisite that she carves a way to be president without war crimes to get there.
For example, leading up to it, the capacity for power and influence of all positions of power in the world must first be reduced significantly with increased oversight.
Ah, so the much less ambitious and easier to achieve without making moral compromises goal of completely restructuring the political organization of the world.
Veronica
I’m sure Putin’s gonna fully be on board with that plan
The GOC would recruit her. It’s the SCP Foundation you’d have to worry about – you know Clef’s preferred method of dealing with Bixbys. (The Chaos Insurgency could also be a problem, as they’d try to mind-control her into working with them…)
This reminds me of why CD Projekt Red got rid of cyberpsychocis in Cyberpunk 2077. One of the criticisms of it in Cyberpunk the tabletop RPG was the fact that plastic surgery is something that has a powerful life affirming quality to trans people.
So portraying it as unnatural or mind destroying was unwittingly transphobic. Mike Pondsmith took this into account and made cyberpsychosis only apply to violent upgrades.
It was a relic of the “game balance” notions of the 80’s. To gain X advantage, you had to give up Y. In Shadowrun, the major competitor in genre, it was your ability to do magic that you gave up for implants.
A more modern way is how GURPS does it. You can take disadvantages to pay for advantages, but they aren’t tied to one another, and can be “paid off”.
Every time I see a link to the previous comic with these characters I always wonder what the eff is happening. I guess Dorothy was the bad guy? Is it like really weird for It’s Walky readers to constantly see Dorothy as arguably the most morally good character in the cast?
RassilonTDavros
Dorothy debuted in the sequel strip Joyce and Walky!, and even then her appearances were mostly confined to the subscription-only stuff. Some of the commenters on her first DoA appearance don’t seem to know who she is, so I’m guessing she wasn’t very well-known to people who didn’t buy those?
Thag Simmons
Technically that’s an alien possessing Dorothy’s body, she was in sort of an antagonistic role as a romantic rival but the sympathetic kind where you mostly feel bad for them
I believe in that case, there was mind control. Look I only started this multiverse at Shortpacked and I read the wedding arc because it had some bits with Robin. I noticed the characters didn’t have the time to breath or wait for a punchline like in Shortpacked.
Jon
Being hyperlexic, I read from the linked comic to the end. That Dorothy was an abductee, with all the power that implies, and had also been modified by a dimension-hopping version of a Head Alien to absorb the consciousness of a Head Alien upon his death. In that comic, the one native to their dimension had died, and was piloting Dorothy’s body to try to kill all the abductees at the wedding and take over the world. Dorothy herself wasn’t guilty of anything except being in the wrong place at the wrong time earlier in the comic’s run, far as I can tell.
Buck Ripsnort
Huh, Joyce marries Walky in the future? Go figure.
Jon
The alien abductees Joyce and Walky. Different universe.
The truth is that that last panel reflects uncertainty, however, it is also the opportunity for a new beginning that obviously will not be immediate, but that little by little she will discover.
212 thoughts on “Unhinged”
NGPZ
It is you/.
You are bending the spoon.
NGPZ
*plays “The Sea” by Tomáš Dvořák on hacked muzak*
Reltzik
“I am the spoon that bends.”
… wait, no.
Madock345
No, no, that’s right
NGPZ
Carve the shape of yourself unto the surface.
As within, so without.
As above, so below.
Ana Chronistic
Jocelyne: The La(te)st Worldbender
Proto
“Everything changed when the 700 Club attacked…”
Michael Steamweed
A much better response than mine. +1 to you. 🙂
Charles Phipps
I actually hope Dorothy doesn’t decide to go back to wanting to be President because the point of college is change and self-growth. We’ve seen Joe, Joyce, and Walkerton have arcs about changing but I think that Dorothy has struggled with that because everyone thought she had it all figured out. When, in fact, we the reader know she was pretty miserable with her lifepath.
Also, we know she’s absolutely terrible at getting people to go along with her or making deals.
not someone else
Yeah, but this could definitely lead to a new understanding of how she could make a positive difference in the world without becoming a Random War Crimes Generator.
Thag Simmons
I hope this is more of a “don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater” sort of deal. Take a step back, refocus, and find a new path forward that still uses her drive to do good.
Fafflechaff
I think the plan currently reads:
1. Rationalize: better than a worse person attempting the same thing.
2. Carve name on moon.
3. Profit!
4. Throne built out of the bones of acceptable losses.
HueSatLight
yes. it would also do her good to accept she’s not to blame for Ross’ death. She wasn’t ever in control of that situation.
not someone else
Also seconding the hell out of this.
Chiatroll
I had forgotten who Ross was. Toe dad I remember.
Casi
same, for a second i was like “when did the most annoying Friends cast member die? I don’t remember The One Where Ross Dies”
RoyanRannedos
I think that episode involved an incident in Texas while dressed as The Hanukkah Armadillo.
Proto
She was only miserable on her life path* when Raidah made her question it and think that it’s ridiculous to try being a “good” President. Jocelyn is pointing out that even if the world is chaos, not trying to change it means submission to that chaos.
*Okay that’s not entirely fair, she was having a bit of trouble thinking about transferring and leaving her friends, but that’s a different flavor of despair than a moral quandary over the possibility of a moral POTUS.
Daibhid C
If one person making a snide comment makes you reconsider your entire life, you were already reconsidering your entire life.
Veronica
What does it mean if one person makes a supportive comment and you reconsider your life back to the previous path?
Taffy
Means you’re easily influenced and should probably work on that.
HueSatLight
Dorothy was already expecting a critical remark from her. Just a different critical remark.
It reminds me of religious apologetics a lot. The main goal isn’t to convert other people, that’s secondary. The main goal is to repress one’s own doubts.
Dorothy had the doubt-repressing reply ready to go. “Nothing wrong with having goals,” isn’t meant to convince Raidah or whomever. It’s something that Dorothy might tell herself whenever anyone said something like, “that’s kind of silly at this point in your life.”
If Dorothy snaps back to her original goal, then it won’t be the end of this arc. It is a child’s goal and a child’s plan (and a child’s misunderstanding why so many presidents have gone to Ivy League schools). And if her desire is to shape policy to help as many people as possible, her very singular goal is a terrible way to do that.
Veronica
“It is a child’s goal and a child’s plan (and a child’s misunderstanding”
Batman is in this post and he doesn’t like it
Thag Simmons
The thing is that “you do understand what becoming president actually entails?” wouldn’t have landed if it didn’t build on her existing doubts and stuff she already knew.
Decidedly Orthogonal
One can go through change and self-growth without giving up on goala and dreams. It can provided guidance in re-shaping those dreams, or nuance. Just because someone’s goals remain the same, doesn’t preclude them from having grown.
Lilith Rose
Ooooorr, here me out, she goes back to wanting to be president, but with the prerequisite that she carves a way to be president without war crimes to get there.
For example, leading up to it, the capacity for power and influence of all positions of power in the world must first be reduced significantly with increased oversight.
thejeff
Ah, so the much less ambitious and easier to achieve without making moral compromises goal of completely restructuring the political organization of the world.
Veronica
I’m sure Putin’s gonna fully be on board with that plan
Charles Phipps
With society as is, the more oversight, the more war crimes are inevitable.
Doctor_Who
Jocelyn, don’t settle for carving your shape into the world, carve your name into the moon!
Doctor_Who
Crap, messed up my hyperlink.
Rose by Any other Name
CHa…
Nullset
JOC
Yondrose
Somewhere behind that wad of stuffing beats the heart of a true American hero!
jeffepp
Spoon!
Shadowsnail
Have lunch with me, Dorothy. Adventure will follow.
Sirksome
Jocelyne is a beyond omega level reality warper.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
The where are her friends the alien witch, the esper, the time traveler, the slider, and the mundane guy she is totally not in love with?
morhek
They got rebooted into another college AU webcomic.
Thag Simmons
What was Jocelyne up to in the old universe anyways
EtchJetty
existing in one family photo as a kid, and attending joyce and walky’s wedding that one time much later on.
Thag Simmons
Back in wherever she’s living now, presumably
Rose by Any other Name
Fuck yeah Jocelyne!
Michael Steamweed
She will be an awesome writer.
Jeremiah
Nobody tell the GOC.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Government of Canada?
Jeremiah
Yeah sure, you believe that.
Jon
The GOC would recruit her. It’s the SCP Foundation you’d have to worry about – you know Clef’s preferred method of dealing with Bixbys. (The Chaos Insurgency could also be a problem, as they’d try to mind-control her into working with them…)
Dana
Damn.
StClair
Seconded.
Deanatay
Indeed. “When you are yourself, the world bends”. The world may not make any sense, but it CAN be changed.
Alf Traveler
It’s poetry. And bad-ass.
Charles Phipps
This reminds me of why CD Projekt Red got rid of cyberpsychocis in Cyberpunk 2077. One of the criticisms of it in Cyberpunk the tabletop RPG was the fact that plastic surgery is something that has a powerful life affirming quality to trans people.
So portraying it as unnatural or mind destroying was unwittingly transphobic. Mike Pondsmith took this into account and made cyberpsychosis only apply to violent upgrades.
jeffepp
It was a relic of the “game balance” notions of the 80’s. To gain X advantage, you had to give up Y. In Shadowrun, the major competitor in genre, it was your ability to do magic that you gave up for implants.
A more modern way is how GURPS does it. You can take disadvantages to pay for advantages, but they aren’t tied to one another, and can be “paid off”.
Michael Steamweed
I like the idea of humanity-affirming surgery (some kinds) along with humanity-decreasing surgery (the killing kinds).
jeffepp
So, she’s going to grab life by the horns, and smooch Joyce.
Charles Phipps
Alternate Dorothy: Yes, I can do it. I CAN BE A WAR CRIMINAL.
EtchJetty
i mean, there’s some precedent for “alternate dorothy”s doing that specifically, lol.
Sirksome
Every time I see a link to the previous comic with these characters I always wonder what the eff is happening. I guess Dorothy was the bad guy? Is it like really weird for It’s Walky readers to constantly see Dorothy as arguably the most morally good character in the cast?
RassilonTDavros
Dorothy debuted in the sequel strip Joyce and Walky!, and even then her appearances were mostly confined to the subscription-only stuff. Some of the commenters on her first DoA appearance don’t seem to know who she is, so I’m guessing she wasn’t very well-known to people who didn’t buy those?
Thag Simmons
Technically that’s an alien possessing Dorothy’s body, she was in sort of an antagonistic role as a romantic rival but the sympathetic kind where you mostly feel bad for them
spriteless aunty
I believe in that case, there was mind control. Look I only started this multiverse at Shortpacked and I read the wedding arc because it had some bits with Robin. I noticed the characters didn’t have the time to breath or wait for a punchline like in Shortpacked.
Jon
Being hyperlexic, I read from the linked comic to the end. That Dorothy was an abductee, with all the power that implies, and had also been modified by a dimension-hopping version of a Head Alien to absorb the consciousness of a Head Alien upon his death. In that comic, the one native to their dimension had died, and was piloting Dorothy’s body to try to kill all the abductees at the wedding and take over the world. Dorothy herself wasn’t guilty of anything except being in the wrong place at the wrong time earlier in the comic’s run, far as I can tell.
Buck Ripsnort
Huh, Joyce marries Walky in the future? Go figure.
Jon
The alien abductees Joyce and Walky. Different universe.
Shakes
just b urself dorothy
Bryy
The problem is that Dorothy keeps trying to fit that square peg into the round hole of who she thinks she needs to be.
Coatl
The truth is that that last panel reflects uncertainty, however, it is also the opportunity for a new beginning that obviously will not be immediate, but that little by little she will discover.
Taffy
Rectangular strap-ons can help with that.
morleuca
Sounds like a bad dragon product
Jeremiah
That sounds painful and not in a fun way.