Huh?
I feel like I’m not understanding this reference.
I mean, I get that he doesn’t want Walky to cut his hair, and I get that it’s a reference to John (19:5) (thanks to google), but I don’t see how that quote relates.
I feel like the plucked chicken answer makes the most sense, except that Plato would have been speaking Greek.
Thag Simmons
I didn’t get until someone else explained it, but it’s the name of the Jesus painting that was enhanced by a botched restoration
Demoted Oblivious
It’s a hillarious and weirdly upfting story. The fresco Ecce Homo in spain was worn and a parishoner made an honest effort to restore it and… did not succeed. However, the original was only 80 years old and not regarded as a notable work. In creating a mockery (accidentally) the new work (called Ecce Mono by some) has drawn attention and tourist dollars to the village. While god may may not work in mysterious ways, people certainly do. With the restoration, the work is raising money for various local charitable causes.. and the church.
It’s a Spoon and a Fork and a Knife, but only the last bit is relevant here.
cbwroses
Since when do sporks act like knives?
I feel like a tutorial is needed.
Thag Simmons
They *don’t* but there’s enough of an edge that you could sever hair with them. It wouldn’t be very effective but you could do it.
SuperZero
One at a time, by pulling them out?
Alaric
There ARE sporks that include a knife edge on the side, though it’s not part of the basic definition of “spork”.
NotThatDrew
Huh, I’ve never come across a spork that had knife qualities to it. Apparently I’ve just had the boring ones
Thag Simmons
I’m mostly familiar with Sporks that had a serrated edge, but after some quick research they don’t seem to be the most common variant and I’m not entirely sure if the sort of thing I’m thinking of are even considered true Sporks, they may be considered a separate but equally worthless type of novelty utensil.
Tawnee
You may have been thinking of a Fife. Or maybe a Knork. Hard to tell honestly.
Thag Simmons
Fife seems to be the closest match, but these sorts of novelty utensils are basically interchangeable.
Clif
Dunno. I’ve spread many a peanut butter with a spork. Of course that’s far removed from severing human hair. Still, I suppose you could use the twirl and yank technique.
Gigafreak
You may wish to go to Wikipedia and look up the Splayd.
davidbreslin101
Fife?
[Attempts to cut hair with a small flute. Fails.]
Demoted Oblivious
Properly a Spork does not. I suspect those refering to a knife edge are thinking of a knspork, or knoork, possibly a sporf, kfs, or even a simple foof. There are mult-utensils out there that combine all three. But, one must beware the dangers of excessive cross-breeding.
Thag Simmons
Why are there so many names for these things?
Clif
As with the many Eskimo words for snow, it stems from people being cast into circumstances where they have too much time on their hands.
Thag Simmons
Arctic cultures having a bunch of words for the Snow that is an integral part of day to day life makes a lot of sense to me. A bunch of words for interchangeable failed attempts to improve existing tools does not
Thag Simmons
Actually I shouldn’t say all the names for stupid novelty cutlery don’t make sense, it does make sense but that doesn’t mean I respect it
Justin Baker
Observe the snow. It fornicates.
milu
It’s debated how many words the Eskimo languages actually have for kinds of snow. One problem is that “a word” is a fairly self-evident unit in Indo-European languages like English but not necessarily in other language families; like the Eskimo-Aleut languages which are polysynthetic (long glued-together strings of suffixes, not single identifiable words)
Another problem is with the significance that is implicitely ascribed to the “Eskimo words for snow” story. We tend to want it to neatly encapsulates the intuitively sensible influence of the natural environment on language, and that’s why it constantly gets used, more or less seriously, to draw all sorts of conclusions by analogy about English or other languages we have strong opinions about.
I’m not gonna go into why i think that’s almost always nonsense, but one thing I’ll point out is i very much doubt English speakers who live in, say, Alaska, have any trouble comprehending and discussing the many nuances of snow they encounter. Languages are way more adaptable to the environment their speakers inhabit than this aphorism would tend to have us believe.
Clif
“Observe the snow. It fornicates.” — Justin Baker
Hence the Eskimo word for “Great, more fucking snow.”
Naturally the guy who’s concerned over having too MANY shoes is also that worried over having an effeminate hairstyle.
That said, I can sympathize, as a photo from when I was 12 or so later had my dad asked who the little girl was in it. That was more than a bit embarrassing.
I feel like I have a similar reaction the second I figure out there’s something others might find even mildly appealing about me. I MUST MAINTAIN MY STATUS OF DORK!
Walky was actually cool with that part, though. Even from his roommate, which would be legitimately awkward.
It was the inexplicable application of the word “feminine,” that he did not like.
I’m nonbinary but honestly, same. I’m so anxious and down trodded about all this legislation and haven’t yet actually done anything about it (calling governors and et cetera)
Honestly, I’d settle for voting in our favor, treating us as our presented gender, and not making a big deal out of us being trans. Beyond voting against politicians who would actively do us harm, I’m not sure how much the average person can do. Maybe I’m just projecting my own feelings of exhaustion and helplessness and pessimism, though; I can’t do rallies and debates and protests anymore, and I’m not even sure how effective they are.
BBCC
Doing that plus addressing transphobic comments and actions from people we know in our daily lives and contacting our reps seems to be the general advice I’ve heard, yeah. I’m sorry everything is a garbage fire right now. Hugs if wanted.
Also, I haven’t been paying attention to the news lately. Is this about America? Are the Republicans at it again? I’m so tired. Why can’t they leave us alone?
He Who Abides
Yes, it’s about America. And they’re doing it because adopting positions that people support is too much like work for them.
Jenn
Unfortunately, these are positions a lot of people support. A lot of people don’t understand us, and it’s easy to whip people into a frenzy (of sorts) over a constructed fear of an other they don’t understand. I wish people could see past the FUD. We’ve been around and in the public consciousness for a pretty long time now.
Jon Rich
FUD?
Jenn
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. It’s a common political/rhetorical tactic.
thejeff
Yeah, that’s basically it. They’re trying to whip up fear for votes. It’s the latest replacement for the same sex marriage opposition they used to drive voting back in the 2000s.
I’m trying to treat it as a good sign – they’re having to openly oppose and pass laws because trans people are becoming more visible and acceptable. Like the flurry of laws passed against same sex marriage, it’s a rear-guard action, trying to hold back something that’s gotten out of their control.
No kidding. Though to be fair, I am not entirely sure my 18-year-old egg-self wouldn’t have reacted differently. The thought of being feminine was dangerously alluring and terrifying and “forbidden”.
But then, I did pretty much immediately start growing my hair out from under my parents thumb, so who knows. Maybe it would have just helped me figure some stuff out way earlier.
*growing my hair out the second I was out from my parents thumb
milu
Read “growing your hair out from under your parents’ thumb” and immediately got a compelling mental image. It was very creative of you. Too bad that’s not what you meant at all ^^
Anyway i’m a cis guy but i can relate somewhat. It took me many years to accept that I like presenting more or less androgynous sometimes, depending on my mood (and where I have to be that day, let’s be real). For much of my 20’s i didnt care about clothes or hairstyle, and I groaned at the suggestion of makeup or cross-dressing for fun. I think I did feel scared on the one hand that I would like it, and on the other, that I would hate how I looked I think. turns out I don’t, I love it, but you know, it took time and patience.
Discussion (242) - “Stains”
Ana Chronistic
hahahahahahahaha oh no
Demoted Oblivious
Oh yes! Do it Walkerton! It’s empowering to throw off the shackles of expectation. Transform as the phoenix and arise Ecco Homo.
Rose by Any Other Name
… do not ‘behold the man’ yourself…
Huh?
I feel like I’m not understanding this reference.
I mean, I get that he doesn’t want Walky to cut his hair, and I get that it’s a reference to John (19:5) (thanks to google), but I don’t see how that quote relates.
The Archivist
Could it be…about plucked chicken?
Henshu
I feel like the plucked chicken answer makes the most sense, except that Plato would have been speaking Greek.
Thag Simmons
I didn’t get until someone else explained it, but it’s the name of the Jesus painting that was enhanced by a botched restoration
Demoted Oblivious
It’s a hillarious and weirdly upfting story. The fresco Ecce Homo in spain was worn and a parishoner made an honest effort to restore it and… did not succeed. However, the original was only 80 years old and not regarded as a notable work. In creating a mockery (accidentally) the new work (called Ecce Mono by some) has drawn attention and tourist dollars to the village. While god
maymay not work in mysterious ways, people certainly do. With the restoration, the work is raising money for various local charitable causes.. and the church.Needfuldoer
I can’t believe that was already nine years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecce_Homo_(Mart%C3%ADnez_and_Gim%C3%A9nez)
ASTAPHE
Look up “Potato Jesus”
Wagstaff
I wonder if that quote was interjected post hoc into the Bible at some point, like the story where the “least sinful should cast the first stone”.
Roborat
Thanks to the thread for the explanation, I saw ecce and thought it was an anime reference.
Merbrat
Might be this “restoration” (cosplay at Austin Comic Con 2012)
https://tinyurl.com/Restoredd-ecce-homo
plasticwrap
Goddamit Booster.
Doctor_Who
Try to see this from Walky’s point of view. Just about the only things that distinguish him from Sal are shorter hair and the absence of boobs.
And with his diet, the boobs are surely coming.
NotThatDrew
I’m just trying to figure out how a spork would do anything to his hair…
Thag Simmons
It’s a Spoon and a Fork and a Knife, but only the last bit is relevant here.
cbwroses
Since when do sporks act like knives?
I feel like a tutorial is needed.
Thag Simmons
They *don’t* but there’s enough of an edge that you could sever hair with them. It wouldn’t be very effective but you could do it.
SuperZero
One at a time, by pulling them out?
Alaric
There ARE sporks that include a knife edge on the side, though it’s not part of the basic definition of “spork”.
NotThatDrew
Huh, I’ve never come across a spork that had knife qualities to it. Apparently I’ve just had the boring ones
Thag Simmons
I’m mostly familiar with Sporks that had a serrated edge, but after some quick research they don’t seem to be the most common variant and I’m not entirely sure if the sort of thing I’m thinking of are even considered true Sporks, they may be considered a separate but equally worthless type of novelty utensil.
Tawnee
You may have been thinking of a Fife. Or maybe a Knork. Hard to tell honestly.
Thag Simmons
Fife seems to be the closest match, but these sorts of novelty utensils are basically interchangeable.
Clif
Dunno. I’ve spread many a peanut butter with a spork. Of course that’s far removed from severing human hair. Still, I suppose you could use the twirl and yank technique.
Gigafreak
You may wish to go to Wikipedia and look up the Splayd.
davidbreslin101
Fife?
[Attempts to cut hair with a small flute. Fails.]
Demoted Oblivious
Properly a Spork does not. I suspect those refering to a knife edge are thinking of a knspork, or knoork, possibly a sporf, kfs, or even a simple foof. There are mult-utensils out there that combine all three. But, one must beware the dangers of excessive cross-breeding.
Thag Simmons
Why are there so many names for these things?
Clif
As with the many Eskimo words for snow, it stems from people being cast into circumstances where they have too much time on their hands.
Thag Simmons
Arctic cultures having a bunch of words for the Snow that is an integral part of day to day life makes a lot of sense to me. A bunch of words for interchangeable failed attempts to improve existing tools does not
Thag Simmons
Actually I shouldn’t say all the names for stupid novelty cutlery don’t make sense, it does make sense but that doesn’t mean I respect it
Justin Baker
Observe the snow. It fornicates.
milu
It’s debated how many words the Eskimo languages actually have for kinds of snow. One problem is that “a word” is a fairly self-evident unit in Indo-European languages like English but not necessarily in other language families; like the Eskimo-Aleut languages which are polysynthetic (long glued-together strings of suffixes, not single identifiable words)
Another problem is with the significance that is implicitely ascribed to the “Eskimo words for snow” story. We tend to want it to neatly encapsulates the intuitively sensible influence of the natural environment on language, and that’s why it constantly gets used, more or less seriously, to draw all sorts of conclusions by analogy about English or other languages we have strong opinions about.
I’m not gonna go into why i think that’s almost always nonsense, but one thing I’ll point out is i very much doubt English speakers who live in, say, Alaska, have any trouble comprehending and discussing the many nuances of snow they encounter. Languages are way more adaptable to the environment their speakers inhabit than this aphorism would tend to have us believe.
Clif
“Observe the snow. It fornicates.” — Justin Baker
Hence the Eskimo word for “Great, more fucking snow.”
Victor
To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln:
Anything’s a spork if you’re brave enough.
Roborat
Maybe he is calling for Spork Man.
C.T Phipps
Walky is still my vote for a bi dude better than Danny. Why? Because he and Jason would be awesome together.
And no, I don’t know why I ship them. I just DO.
Reaver
I spewed my soda, thank you
Ana Chronistic
I always thought it was more like (`.-o
Stu
Naturally the guy who’s concerned over having too MANY shoes is also that worried over having an effeminate hairstyle.
That said, I can sympathize, as a photo from when I was 12 or so later had my dad asked who the little girl was in it. That was more than a bit embarrassing.
Wagstaff
Sorry, Booster. Marge Simpson beat you to the punch decades ago.
Proto_Eevee
I have 100% been in Walky’s position. Granted, I was like 8 at the time, so it was more like “ew girls” than “ah! Femininity!”
woobie
Yep. Booster can fuck up a wet dream.
RassilonTDavros
…”ecce homo, qui est faba”?
I was under the impression that the only Bean in this comic was Leslie.
Mr D
It’s a reference to the potato jesus painting
Bicycle Bill
Actually, “Ecce homo” translates as “Behold the man!”, and is from the Vulgate Latin version of the Gospel of John (John 19:5) when Pilate presented Christ to the crowd, claiming that he found no guilt in him.
King Daniel
Which is also the title of the “potato Jesus” painting, as prior to its disastrous attempted-restoration that moment was what the painting depicted.
Wagstaff
Is that from the time when Jesus was alluded to Greek and Roman gods?
Clif
The time when Jesus was alluded to by the Greek and Roman gods is kind of hard to date.
It has unreasonably high standards.
He Who Abides
Honestly, I only remember it from a Three Pines novel.
Edwin I Callahan
My wife and I are huge Louise Penny fans but I can’t remember which book has the “Ecce homo” reference. Which one?
He Who Abides
The one set in the monastery. I remember that phrase being mentioned several times, though the context eludes me at the moment.
SuperZero
And it’s therefore the name of a painting. Which is the reference Booster’s making.
NotThatDrew
I feel like I have a similar reaction the second I figure out there’s something others might find even mildly appealing about me. I MUST MAINTAIN MY STATUS OF DORK!
SuperZero
Walky was actually cool with that part, though. Even from his roommate, which would be legitimately awkward.
It was the inexplicable application of the word “feminine,” that he did not like.
ADLegend21
Walky no, don’t ruin it!!!
TheKelliestKelly
Now it’s the cis who aren’t okay
BBCC
Again, we’re doing our best-
*looks at the string of super strong transphobic legislation coming out*
Actually, we’re really not. We could do better. We NEED to do better on stamping out transphobia. Myself included.
TheKelliestKelly
I’m nonbinary but honestly, same. I’m so anxious and down trodded about all this legislation and haven’t yet actually done anything about it (calling governors and et cetera)
Jenn
Honestly, I’d settle for voting in our favor, treating us as our presented gender, and not making a big deal out of us being trans. Beyond voting against politicians who would actively do us harm, I’m not sure how much the average person can do. Maybe I’m just projecting my own feelings of exhaustion and helplessness and pessimism, though; I can’t do rallies and debates and protests anymore, and I’m not even sure how effective they are.
BBCC
Doing that plus addressing transphobic comments and actions from people we know in our daily lives and contacting our reps seems to be the general advice I’ve heard, yeah. I’m sorry everything is a garbage fire right now. Hugs if wanted.
Jenn
Also, I haven’t been paying attention to the news lately. Is this about America? Are the Republicans at it again? I’m so tired. Why can’t they leave us alone?
He Who Abides
Yes, it’s about America. And they’re doing it because adopting positions that people support is too much like work for them.
Jenn
Unfortunately, these are positions a lot of people support. A lot of people don’t understand us, and it’s easy to whip people into a frenzy (of sorts) over a constructed fear of an other they don’t understand. I wish people could see past the FUD. We’ve been around and in the public consciousness for a pretty long time now.
Jon Rich
FUD?
Jenn
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. It’s a common political/rhetorical tactic.
thejeff
Yeah, that’s basically it. They’re trying to whip up fear for votes. It’s the latest replacement for the same sex marriage opposition they used to drive voting back in the 2000s.
I’m trying to treat it as a good sign – they’re having to openly oppose and pass laws because trans people are becoming more visible and acceptable. Like the flurry of laws passed against same sex marriage, it’s a rear-guard action, trying to hold back something that’s gotten out of their control.
Fart Captor
to be fair, they’re NEVER okay
AeromechanicalAce
Am Cis, Can Confirm.
SuperZero
Is anyone ever really “okay”?
ASTAPHE
No kidding. Though to be fair, I am not entirely sure my 18-year-old egg-self wouldn’t have reacted differently. The thought of being feminine was dangerously alluring and terrifying and “forbidden”.
But then, I did pretty much immediately start growing my hair out from under my parents thumb, so who knows. Maybe it would have just helped me figure some stuff out way earlier.
ASTAPHE
*growing my hair out the second I was out from my parents thumb
milu
Read “growing your hair out from under your parents’ thumb” and immediately got a compelling mental image. It was very creative of you. Too bad that’s not what you meant at all ^^
Anyway i’m a cis guy but i can relate somewhat. It took me many years to accept that I like presenting more or less androgynous sometimes, depending on my mood (and where I have to be that day, let’s be real). For much of my 20’s i didnt care about clothes or hairstyle, and I groaned at the suggestion of makeup or cross-dressing for fun. I think I did feel scared on the one hand that I would like it, and on the other, that I would hate how I looked I think. turns out I don’t, I love it, but you know, it took time and patience.