Purely platonic cuddles, but that’s platonic with a lower-case ‘p’, because the actual Plato was a pre-Christian heathen and we can’t do things his way.
Deanatay
If it’s before Christ was even born, can you really call them ‘heathens’?
Reltzik
Apparently so.
BBCC
“People are without excuse” because Creation, so yes.
Lux
Plus, Plato actually included the sexins in his ideal love. You were just supposed to move beyond it.
Krys Brynhildr
Wasn’t his ideal love he pushed forwards “the love between an older man and a younger man, cause girls just produce babies not philosophical thought or ideas.” anyways?
I mean, not really very actually platonic even so, but also kind of possibly casual man-on-boy statutory rape.
As a cashier, I see that about three times a day. Two of those three times, there’s nothing under the tiny sweater/thick shirt, unless it’s snowing outside. It seems to be for girls who like wearing thick fabric but don’t want to overheat the second they get hit with sunlight? Not sure though.
They can look good over dresses, or if the colours/textures look especially great together so you totally want to see them both at once.
I wouldn’t have expected one over a plain white shirt, but then, Sarah doesn’t strike me as a person who spends all morning meticulously matching up her outfits.
BBCC
Sarah DOES like some layering though, and it’s one of her favourite colours (she wears lots of purple and green, so I’m assuming those are her favourites). She seems like she goes towards ‘fully dressed, not in anything that could possibly be seen as unprofessional by the school, done’.
Was about to say: This is not their primary function but they are GREAT for people who need pressure stim without overheating! I have a connective tissue disorder and often my extremities feel “cold” and itchy when the rest of me is not actually cold, and wearing a light, short sweater like this really helps.
As far as what it’s intended to do…fashion-wise stuff like this can make your torso appear longer so it just looks “nice.” Kinda the same way high-waisted pants can make your legs look longer. A+ fashion for short people.
Nope, a game. Persona 5. It comes out this coming Tuesday. Its kind of a series about Jungian psychology and a lot of other themes, but mainly about highschoolers dealing with their personal life issues by traveling to a weird alternate realm where they fight both their own and other peoples literal inner demons by using the manifestations of historical figures who align with their inner selves….
All in order to sort out the horrible things going on around them and to become better people. Well, okay, 5 is more about a bunch of kids who were wronged somehow by adults in their lives rebelling and busting up the sources of corruption as phantom thieves of Justice (I mean, one of the characters literally has Zorro as their special Persona), but still, working out their issues.
The character’s name is Futaba Sakura. Which is weird cause usually Futaba is more of a last name and Sakura is more of a first name, but she’s like this cool hacker chick, who yeah is super cute and kind of looks like how I identify at least. Even to the point of spending a huge amount of money to import the headphones she wears that they’ve made real versions of.
Tualha
Doumo. I agree; her name is odd. There is Futaba Yoshioka in Ao Haru Ride, though, so having Futaba as a given name isn’t completely unknown.
Krys Brynhildr
Yours is Maggie from R.O.D. TV right? She was always my favorite of the three, though I’m kind of prone to being a recluse who likes to read and isn’t great at showing the expressions that fit what I’m feeling in my head, so thats probably part of why.
Tualha
Maggie is my favorite also. It’s true, she’s very introverted and quiet. On the other hand, consider Sumiregawa-sensei. She seems very out there, very ready to speak her mind in most situations. But she is very reluctant to show certain feelings, e.g., the end of Episode 10, or how long it takes her to admit she likes the sisters. I’ve been exploring their personalities in some depth in a fanfiction I’m writing. They’re both really quite interesting characters.
Her scarf? I mean, for me, if I’m wearing a scarf like that in public, its because my hair’s a mess or on its way to becoming a mess. But Sarah’s hair looks fine without one so idk why either. Its definitely a thing, though. Hell, I see girls wearing full on bonnets to class sometimes. I guess its just to show that she doesn’t really care about her appearance maybe?
I have wavy/lightly curly hair, so someone please correct me if I’m totally wrong here, but I think it’s a more common thing for people with very curly/textured hair? Since textured hair doesn’t necessarily “fall flat” the way straight/untextured hair does, I believe some women use scarves like these to sort of “contain” their hair if they prefer to wear it closer to their scalp and don’t want to use relaxers/flat irons.
On my campus, it’s very common to see chicks wearing full-on long-sleeved hoodies… and bootie shorts. Like, what, do you only get cold on the top half of your body? Only hot on the bottom half? What? I don’t get it.
You can also take the hoodie off easily when you’re somewhere less cold. I’ve done that with shorts and a jacket on occasion. Easier to just throw on a jacket than to change into long pants.
It’s 90F here on the regular. They’re walking around outside like this. I would be on fire if I wore a hoodie outside. The humidity here makes the heat even worse.
I’ve talking with marketing types, and got into the topic of women’s clothing. Fashion companies realized that when it comes to clothing, female culture pushes women to go for what’s fashionable and trendy over what’s practical. So with guy culture, who couldn’t care less about fashion overall, they stick with practical for the most part. But with female culture, since they *control* the fashion magazines, they simply started a trend of “the layered look”, called it trendy, so they could basically mandate having to buy multiple layers of clothes (and generally of lower and flimsier quality than the male counterpart clothes).
As such, clothing marketing basically went predatory on an entire 50% of our society.
Since female culture ostracizes women who “don’t keep up with the trends”, women were forced to spend 2-3 times much on clothing that would last half as long. And this is -after- fashion industry had already successfully introduced the very financially rude concept of “never be seen wearing the same outfit more than once.” And stores, to keep up with what would sell according to the fashion magazines, mainly sell what fits the current trends.
So, basically, guy culture equivalent would be if all walk-in hardware stores started selling ONLY gold plated house products, and house-plan improvement inspectors would not look kindly on any home improvement projects that didn’t use them.
Well, I mean “guy culture not caring about fashion” is just as socially-constructed as “female culture pushing women to go for whats trendy”.
Its also the reason that guys can often get singled out as being “homosexual” just for wanting to actually dress nice for once, or having any sort of taste in clothing beyond the basic “practical work attire” they need for their job. Because someone at some point decided that “men aren’t allowed to actually care how they look”.
I mean really the worst part of it is that “fashion” itself often isn’t even remotely fashionable anymore because yeah, as you said its basically just about the industry telling people what “looks good” and expecting them to abide by that, while fashion designers just spend their time making artistic statements instead of attractive clothing.
While I’m sure all of this is true and kinda lame on the part of the fashion industry, I do appreciate how stuff like this accidentally provides good fashion choices for people with different body types. All the high-waisted, layered, long-shirt stuff has been really nice for us short people who are trying to make our legs/torsos look longer.
It’s ok though because I stick it to them by owning very few different outfits and wearing the same dress to every fancy event because I don’t want to buy more. :)))
Krys Brynhildr
Well, yeah, sometimes there’s something actually useful or nice looking as a result, but only if you’re willing to actually think for yourself about what works for your body type and piecing things together yourself.
Like me personally, I’m pretty tall, but super lanky and my metabolism keeps me from being at a healthy weight or even looking the “unhealthy but considered attractive weight” due to the combination of the traits, so stuff that makes me look a bit bulkier or adding layers to stay warm as well really works well for me.
Well, that or stuff that adds layers for a lot of the helpful circulatory and looking bulkier and staying warm end of things while also showing off my sexy waistline is even better. So vests with nice coats and pants that aren’t super skinny cause I don’t have any meat on my legs below my thighs and skeleton legs aren’t hot.
Hehe yeah, the fashion industry tends to ignore short people as a whole (or assumes short or thin = no curves so “petite” clothing never has space for hips/boobage) as it does pretty much anyone outside the “average” (and I use that term sarcastically, as to them “average” seems to be “model”) body type. So I’ve had to do a loooot of figuring out what existing styles/trends coincidentally work for my not-average body type. And thank god for petite girl fashion blogs too!.
It’s funny how stuff like this can work for 2 totally different body types for totally different reasons too! And how we always tend to envy what other people have (I have short, stocky legs even when my weight is on the lower end, and I would probably kill for long skinny legs like yours XD).
Cropped sweaters are often paired with high-waisted skirts and trousers, too. It brings that visual horizontal line of the waist up, which can make the legs look longer and play around with your proportions. It’s neat and fun for a certain type of person. *cough*
point still stands! please ignore me being a moron I am so tired
Krys Brynhildr
Joyce seems to assume that no relationship is set in stone until marriage. I seem to remember her pushing for Walky and Billie coupling up after “Dorothy inevitably dumps Walky cause transfers”.
Disloyal Subject
If it makes you feel any better, I read what you meant instead of what you wrote.
Joyce knows, Joe reminded her at Galasso’s that Jacob is seeing someone and I think she can interpret that sidehug.
Yep, and Sarah is trying to take Jacob from Raidah, near as I can tell. And, since it fits with Joyce’s ship and doesn’t necessarily involving cheating, she’s fine with it.
Sarah bailed on that idea after Jacob and Joyce’s previous conversation where she realised she was objectifying Jacob as she was only interested in a few sex times, not a serious relationship, which wasn’t what he was looking for.
“you keep giving up” is rather interesting phrasing. Has Sarah given up but then decided to pursue him again? Or does Joyce just assume that Sarah’s conclusion won’t stick, because they’re her favourite ship? Or what’s up with that?
Sarah did give up before she discovered he was dating Raidah. Since then, she’s seemed to go back and forth on whether she wants to break them up and then date Jacob. Or just break them up.
312 thoughts on “Relentlessly”
Ana Chronistic
“Why let a little thing like monogamy and personal boundaries stand in your way of CUDDLES?”
“yeah I can totes tell you subscribe to that policy”
Passchendaele
“it’s not anarchy if we can control it.”
“We both want Jacob and I hate her, do you not see any problems with that?”
“CUDDLES.”
Reltzik
Purely platonic cuddles, but that’s platonic with a lower-case ‘p’, because the actual Plato was a pre-Christian heathen and we can’t do things his way.
Deanatay
If it’s before Christ was even born, can you really call them ‘heathens’?
Reltzik
Apparently so.
BBCC
“People are without excuse” because Creation, so yes.
Lux
Plus, Plato actually included the sexins in his ideal love. You were just supposed to move beyond it.
Krys Brynhildr
Wasn’t his ideal love he pushed forwards “the love between an older man and a younger man, cause girls just produce babies not philosophical thought or ideas.” anyways?
I mean, not really very actually platonic even so, but also kind of possibly casual man-on-boy statutory rape.
AnvilPro
No Joyce, let Sarah do the mature thing on her own
Emperor Daniel
Joyce, you . . . just might be talking about yourself, there.
StClair
what? no, that’s… noooooo.
that’s silly. you’re silly!
jeffepp
Then, why are your hands forming the shape of his butt?
Tomas
That’s her “Leave room for Jesus” gesture.
Deanatay
‘Leave room for Jesus – between your cheeks!’
Joe Covenant
“I’m not projecting! YOU’RE projecting!”
SonicBlueRanger
What, no. Well not this universe her anyway.
Sam
Joyce no. No creepy. *Bops nose with rolled up newspaper* No.
Doctor_Who
You need to bop Joyce with a rolled up Chick Tract, or she won’t get it.
TJ
Oh god, you know the song. I had managed to forget it and you brought it back with that alt text.
Tualha
David has said that Joyce is more or less based on his own life, I believe.
Doctor_Who
I’m out of the loop, so I need to ask; do young people ever dress like Sarah is here?
Midriff-revealing sweater…does such a thing exist? What weather is it intended for? And wearing it over a long shirt, thus defeating the purpose?
Maybe it was a regular sweater and she washed it incorrectly and it shrunk.
tim gueguen
Pretty sure it’s a sweater designed to be worn over a shirt or dress.
Clif
No one ever said style had to make sense.
Falling Star
Watch enough anime and everything makes sense.
Mainly because you don’t want to figure it out.
TemporalShrew
Nope. They are a very real phenomenon. My girlfriend owns one, and I don’t understand the appeal for the life of me, but it’s beyond my questioning.
Leorale
Yep. It’s called a crop-top sweater. Normally you’d wear it to show off your midriff, but hey, sometimes just your arms get cold, I guess.
ObiKemnebi
As a cashier, I see that about three times a day. Two of those three times, there’s nothing under the tiny sweater/thick shirt, unless it’s snowing outside. It seems to be for girls who like wearing thick fabric but don’t want to overheat the second they get hit with sunlight? Not sure though.
Leorale
They can look good over dresses, or if the colours/textures look especially great together so you totally want to see them both at once.
I wouldn’t have expected one over a plain white shirt, but then, Sarah doesn’t strike me as a person who spends all morning meticulously matching up her outfits.
BBCC
Sarah DOES like some layering though, and it’s one of her favourite colours (she wears lots of purple and green, so I’m assuming those are her favourites). She seems like she goes towards ‘fully dressed, not in anything that could possibly be seen as unprofessional by the school, done’.
BongoeMcBongoes
As someone who owns one of those, it’s mostly because it looks cute, and the fabric tends to not be as thick as a normal sweater.
Gamaran Sepudomyn
I’d imagine it’s great for autistic people who need to pressure stim in warm weather.
autogatos
Was about to say: This is not their primary function but they are GREAT for people who need pressure stim without overheating! I have a connective tissue disorder and often my extremities feel “cold” and itchy when the rest of me is not actually cold, and wearing a light, short sweater like this really helps.
As far as what it’s intended to do…fashion-wise stuff like this can make your torso appear longer so it just looks “nice.” Kinda the same way high-waisted pants can make your legs look longer. A+ fashion for short people.
Krys Brynhildr
I kind of like how it works with the layering the way Sarah has it…not sure I’d be so big on it without a shirt under it though.
Tualha
OMG, your grav is so cute — is she from an anime?
Krys Brynhildr
Nope, a game. Persona 5. It comes out this coming Tuesday. Its kind of a series about Jungian psychology and a lot of other themes, but mainly about highschoolers dealing with their personal life issues by traveling to a weird alternate realm where they fight both their own and other peoples literal inner demons by using the manifestations of historical figures who align with their inner selves….
All in order to sort out the horrible things going on around them and to become better people. Well, okay, 5 is more about a bunch of kids who were wronged somehow by adults in their lives rebelling and busting up the sources of corruption as phantom thieves of Justice (I mean, one of the characters literally has Zorro as their special Persona), but still, working out their issues.
The character’s name is Futaba Sakura. Which is weird cause usually Futaba is more of a last name and Sakura is more of a first name, but she’s like this cool hacker chick, who yeah is super cute and kind of looks like how I identify at least. Even to the point of spending a huge amount of money to import the headphones she wears that they’ve made real versions of.
Tualha
Doumo. I agree; her name is odd. There is Futaba Yoshioka in Ao Haru Ride, though, so having Futaba as a given name isn’t completely unknown.
Krys Brynhildr
Yours is Maggie from R.O.D. TV right? She was always my favorite of the three, though I’m kind of prone to being a recluse who likes to read and isn’t great at showing the expressions that fit what I’m feeling in my head, so thats probably part of why.
Tualha
Maggie is my favorite also. It’s true, she’s very introverted and quiet. On the other hand, consider Sumiregawa-sensei. She seems very out there, very ready to speak her mind in most situations. But she is very reluctant to show certain feelings, e.g., the end of Episode 10, or how long it takes her to admit she likes the sisters. I’ve been exploring their personalities in some depth in a fanfiction I’m writing. They’re both really quite interesting characters.
Gesc
What I don’t get is the thing she wears on her head a the time. Like… why?
bleepbloop
Her scarf? I mean, for me, if I’m wearing a scarf like that in public, its because my hair’s a mess or on its way to becoming a mess. But Sarah’s hair looks fine without one so idk why either. Its definitely a thing, though. Hell, I see girls wearing full on bonnets to class sometimes. I guess its just to show that she doesn’t really care about her appearance maybe?
autogatos
I have wavy/lightly curly hair, so someone please correct me if I’m totally wrong here, but I think it’s a more common thing for people with very curly/textured hair? Since textured hair doesn’t necessarily “fall flat” the way straight/untextured hair does, I believe some women use scarves like these to sort of “contain” their hair if they prefer to wear it closer to their scalp and don’t want to use relaxers/flat irons.
Dragon_Nataku
On my campus, it’s very common to see chicks wearing full-on long-sleeved hoodies… and bootie shorts. Like, what, do you only get cold on the top half of your body? Only hot on the bottom half? What? I don’t get it.
BBCC
Maybe they just think hoodies are comfortable or cute, and aren’t wearing them strictly for weather?
thejeff
You can also take the hoodie off easily when you’re somewhere less cold. I’ve done that with shorts and a jacket on occasion. Easier to just throw on a jacket than to change into long pants.
Dragon_Nataku
It’s 90F here on the regular. They’re walking around outside like this. I would be on fire if I wore a hoodie outside. The humidity here makes the heat even worse.
Meamoi
It’s made to sell undershirts.
Not joking.
I’ve talking with marketing types, and got into the topic of women’s clothing. Fashion companies realized that when it comes to clothing, female culture pushes women to go for what’s fashionable and trendy over what’s practical. So with guy culture, who couldn’t care less about fashion overall, they stick with practical for the most part. But with female culture, since they *control* the fashion magazines, they simply started a trend of “the layered look”, called it trendy, so they could basically mandate having to buy multiple layers of clothes (and generally of lower and flimsier quality than the male counterpart clothes).
As such, clothing marketing basically went predatory on an entire 50% of our society.
Since female culture ostracizes women who “don’t keep up with the trends”, women were forced to spend 2-3 times much on clothing that would last half as long. And this is -after- fashion industry had already successfully introduced the very financially rude concept of “never be seen wearing the same outfit more than once.” And stores, to keep up with what would sell according to the fashion magazines, mainly sell what fits the current trends.
So, basically, guy culture equivalent would be if all walk-in hardware stores started selling ONLY gold plated house products, and house-plan improvement inspectors would not look kindly on any home improvement projects that didn’t use them.
So that’s why.
Socio-political scalping.
Krys Brynhildr
Well, I mean “guy culture not caring about fashion” is just as socially-constructed as “female culture pushing women to go for whats trendy”.
Its also the reason that guys can often get singled out as being “homosexual” just for wanting to actually dress nice for once, or having any sort of taste in clothing beyond the basic “practical work attire” they need for their job. Because someone at some point decided that “men aren’t allowed to actually care how they look”.
I mean really the worst part of it is that “fashion” itself often isn’t even remotely fashionable anymore because yeah, as you said its basically just about the industry telling people what “looks good” and expecting them to abide by that, while fashion designers just spend their time making artistic statements instead of attractive clothing.
autogatos
While I’m sure all of this is true and kinda lame on the part of the fashion industry, I do appreciate how stuff like this accidentally provides good fashion choices for people with different body types. All the high-waisted, layered, long-shirt stuff has been really nice for us short people who are trying to make our legs/torsos look longer.
It’s ok though because I stick it to them by owning very few different outfits and wearing the same dress to every fancy event because I don’t want to buy more. :)))
Krys Brynhildr
Well, yeah, sometimes there’s something actually useful or nice looking as a result, but only if you’re willing to actually think for yourself about what works for your body type and piecing things together yourself.
Like me personally, I’m pretty tall, but super lanky and my metabolism keeps me from being at a healthy weight or even looking the “unhealthy but considered attractive weight” due to the combination of the traits, so stuff that makes me look a bit bulkier or adding layers to stay warm as well really works well for me.
Well, that or stuff that adds layers for a lot of the helpful circulatory and looking bulkier and staying warm end of things while also showing off my sexy waistline is even better. So vests with nice coats and pants that aren’t super skinny cause I don’t have any meat on my legs below my thighs and skeleton legs aren’t hot.
autogatos
Hehe yeah, the fashion industry tends to ignore short people as a whole (or assumes short or thin = no curves so “petite” clothing never has space for hips/boobage) as it does pretty much anyone outside the “average” (and I use that term sarcastically, as to them “average” seems to be “model”) body type. So I’ve had to do a loooot of figuring out what existing styles/trends coincidentally work for my not-average body type. And thank god for petite girl fashion blogs too!.
It’s funny how stuff like this can work for 2 totally different body types for totally different reasons too! And how we always tend to envy what other people have (I have short, stocky legs even when my weight is on the lower end, and I would probably kill for long skinny legs like yours XD).
KristiEllKay
Cropped sweaters are often paired with high-waisted skirts and trousers, too. It brings that visual horizontal line of the waist up, which can make the legs look longer and play around with your proportions. It’s neat and fun for a certain type of person. *cough*
bleepbloop
Imo, a lot of the clothes in DoA look like the type of stuff that was relatively in style back in 2006-08. ESPECIALLY all the layering.
Mr. Random
Roomies is bleeding through.
MM
Hey, she isn’t talking about marriage and at least six children. Still an improvement.
Reltzik
She isn’t talking about it YET.
thejeff
No. She knows Sarah’s not interested in marriage yet. She has a Google alert set for “ruinous mistakes in a motel dumpster” though.
Pigeon Pollyx
wait does sarah know jacob’s dating raidah? i wouldn’t think she’d be encouraging cheating for the sake of her ship/projected crush
Doctor_Who
She and Raidah do not get along.
Pigeon Pollyx
shit I wrote Sarah instead of Joyce
point still stands! please ignore me being a moron I am so tired
Krys Brynhildr
Joyce seems to assume that no relationship is set in stone until marriage. I seem to remember her pushing for Walky and Billie coupling up after “Dorothy inevitably dumps Walky cause transfers”.
Disloyal Subject
If it makes you feel any better, I read what you meant instead of what you wrote.
Joyce knows, Joe reminded her at Galasso’s that Jacob is seeing someone and I think she can interpret that sidehug.
Krys Brynhildr
Sarah actually tried to double down on seeing about getting Jacob for herself when she realized he was going out with Raidah.
You know, because they hate each others guts enough to invert their textbubble colors at each other.
Ansel
well, briefly. then she bailed and walked out on it
StClair
Yup. Her conscience wouldn’t let her go through with it.
Stupid conscience.
Passchendaele
Yep, and Sarah is trying to take Jacob from Raidah, near as I can tell. And, since it fits with Joyce’s ship and doesn’t necessarily involving cheating, she’s fine with it.
Disloyal Subject
Nah, she decided not to risk mucking up his happiness iirc.
Sam
Sarah bailed on that idea after Jacob and Joyce’s previous conversation where she realised she was objectifying Jacob as she was only interested in a few sex times, not a serious relationship, which wasn’t what he was looking for.
Leorale
“you keep giving up” is rather interesting phrasing. Has Sarah given up but then decided to pursue him again? Or does Joyce just assume that Sarah’s conclusion won’t stick, because they’re her favourite ship? Or what’s up with that?
BBCC
Sarah did give up before she discovered he was dating Raidah. Since then, she’s seemed to go back and forth on whether she wants to break them up and then date Jacob. Or just break them up.
Sam