I do believe that’s the point. Amber’s voyeuristic desires about her exes is the opposite of Daisy’s desperate desires for someone to hook her up with a lady (preferably breast window included).
Carla's #2 Fan
Oh and the part where neither one is having their wish fulfilled
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Eh, I like Danny and Sal. She needs someone who’ll love her without making her jump through hoops, and he needs someone who wants to be with him unreservedly.
I don’t like much about Amber but this specifically is really cringe to me. Please stop announcing you get off on the idea of your friends banging. Especially if they don’t like each other. Like just keep it to yourself.
I just feel like if I had a lesbian friend and told them I got an erection from the idea of her fucking someone else I knew I’d have earned myself a slap in the face. I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong on this.
It might make it a little more okay because she has a romantic history herself with both of the involved dudes, and in particular a sexual history with Danny (never got that far with Ethan), so maybe they are okay talking openly about this stuff.
Or not, I might be talking out of my butt here. Amber being inappropriate isn’t exactly out of character for her, she’s kind of a mess. Danny seems chill about it, but being chill about things is kind of his whole deal as well.
Thag Simmons
There would definitely be a much stronger negative reaction if this was a straight dude talking about his ex-girlfriends though.
Leorale
Things are legitimately different when guys vs. girls do them in a boy/girl relationship. When a straight fellow is turned on, the lady has to figure out if there’s an implicit threat.
(It sucks.)
Even so, *anyone* walking over with their hands in their pants is weirding me right out!
Oh well — it is a portrait of foolish college students, not a portrait of virtue or vice.
WanderingLynx
+1. It’s pretty cringe from Amber, but generally speaking, since gender dynamics aren’t equal…
(Plus in this case, both quoted parties were Amber’s boyfriends whom she had sexual feelings for – In one case, enthusiastically reciprocated; and in the other, there was enough of a lack of boundaries Ethan had zero problems with telling her about his escapades.
It’s MOST DEFINITELY NOT something I’d do but, uh. At least Danny doesn’t seem bothered by it.)
thejeff
Both have also read her fanfic and have had ample opportunities to let on that they’re bothered by it.
zee
I mean straight girls dehumanizing and fetishizing gay men to their faces is A Thing.
there’s a reason no one likes fujoshi
Ike
This. People trying to say it’s not as big a deal is pretty fucking creepy and weird.
AlexanderHammil
I mean even then it really depends on the relationship folks have with their exes. Like, *in general* this isn’t great, but *in specific* it can be fine.
But, yes, Amber’s a mess. Her two moods are bleak existential despair and giddy horniness and she’s pretty explicitly using her libido in this storyline to break out of her doomspiral. She and Joe are… not so different.
Freemage
Honestly, Panel 2 Danny, being chill about being out, is definitively my favorite Danny.
I mean, a lot of it depends on the sort of relationship that has been established.
As the Doctor notes, it would bother me a lot less having a male lover say that about me and my wife than a random stranger or male friend who was not also a sexual partner.
It’s different because we have a culture where woman arent permitted to endorse M-M , most Bi men are closeted, Most Women will refuse to date Bi men. and its been permitted for Women to display homophobia to men only for decades
Until all those stigmas ends , Yoai and Bara functions as a social good.
Thag Simmons
I am way out of my depth here, but people more knowledgeable about this than me have been highly critical of media fetishizing queer people and romances for a straight audience, that handling this stuff badly can hurt more than it helps and reinforce harmful attitudes.
Clif
What a person gets up to in the privacy of their own mind is their own business. *
If, however, they make it public, we get to savage them unmercifully to establish our moral superiority. **
* And maybe God’s, given a whole raft of assumptions.
** That is the way it works, isn’t it?
Spencer
I feel like gay/lesbian pornography only hurts as a result of a system that already hurts queer folks. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying porn of two dudes macking on each other, it’s only a problem when it exits outside that fantasy. Currently, well, yes, it does exist outside that fantasy to the detriment of queer men, but I don’t think there’s some kind of threshold to cross before it’s now morally acceptable to like gay porn. I think both can happen; porn can be porn, and people can be people.
In a vacuum, like, no, I do not actually think it’s exploitative for a man to create lesbian porn or for a woman to create gay porn; pornography is about fulfilling a desire, however that manifests. I don’t think it’s weird if a dude wants to think about girls kissing and then writes/draws that, I think it’s weird if “thinking about girls kissing” is the only level he cares to engage with queer woman on.
Or: Amber jilling off to Stucky isn’t a problem, it’s a problem when she expects and asks that same gratification from actual people, and if that gratification shapes how she views them.
zee
Given the sheer amount of yaoi that perpetuates the stereotype that gay men are predatory a en r*pey, imma have to say nah to that one chief
These girls think Killing Stalking is a romance and the relationship is cute. Even if you have no idea what that is, it’s called fucking Killing Stalking
Spencer
Yeah that.
Yaoi is not meant for queer men, it’s porn for straight girls.
Which, like, it’s fine that it is, it’s okay to want porn of boys touching weiners, but I’m not gonna call lesbian pornography very clearly aimed at dudes a stepforward for lesbian acceptance or whatever.
Lan
I’m glad someone said it
Andy
Do they hopefully kill stalking so that no one ever does it again? I’m assuming by your words they don’t, but that would be a really good use of that title that’s not creepy and terrible af.
zee
I’m a day too late lmao but it’s about a dude who gets caught stalking his crush so said crush holds him on false imprisonment and abuses him physically and. S-ually. Its meant to be a horrifying triller but there’s a large fan base thats more just. Into it.
“Especially if they don’t like each other.” I mean, the whole point was specifically that they actually liked each other, so, it’s quite the opposite, there.
Except they clearly don’t like each other now and Amber should know this since Ethan essentially told her so by calling Danny a backstabber. She was also imagining him making out with imaginsry Mike a guy we know Danny hated, which is fine for s private thought but it shows this is much less about her previous relationship with Danny and more about her personsl arousal at him being gay. For example she doesn’t give a crap about Sal and Danny together, cause it’s not really about Danny or his attractions or Ethan for that matter. Makes this feel less quirky and more selfish.
Something weird to me about Amber as a person is that for someone who constantly scrutinizes herself for behaviours that could be seen as socially awkward or a faux-pas, the one thing that has her dive right in is getting horny on main.
That’s not a “Amber is being problematic” comment or anything, mind, it’s something I find noteworthy about her.
Eh, I think there’s more than enough other stuff to make the case for deliberate self-sabotage, although this level of shamelessness is clearly for the sake of making jokes.
Aight I wrote this but: don’t treat the queer men in your life like this, straight girls.
It’s not actually woke and accepting to go “mmm yes fuck for my amusement” or for others to treat it as quirky and endearing and “taking ownership of your sexuality” or whatever when that ownership comes at the cost of queer men. Amber here is doing the exact thing I was fine brushing off with Ethan, because the two of them had the established boundary where this behaviour was something Ethan comfortably accepted, which Amber has obviously not with Danny vis-a-vis his sexuality.
This ain’t a story complaint, either in thinking it’s presented as endearingly quirky or even just the portrayal of prejudice in likeable and sympathetic characters; that’s not only something I think fiction absolutely should engage with more often, we also just got done Joyce reciting the comments section every time we find out Ruth isn’t actually a lesbian.
it’s very realistic to Amber’s age, sexuality, and immersion in fandom (but as a gay yes confirmed gross even without the public maybe masturbation)
Spencer
I know. I think it’s extremely true to Amber’s character, and it’s extremely true to the actions of far too many women.
To be perfectly frank, having a series like DoA where I know going in that there’s no desire to praise this behaviour helps me parse through the behaviour itself, much like we just did with Joyce and Ruth. I can think about why Amber thinks it, which is the point of a story.
Axel
I meant that in agreement to your comment, just to be clear.
Not specifically at you, aside from the grossness, as a not-out-to-myself gay trans man in high school, it also was super confusing to have all the weebs* I was friends with indicate that fetishizing gays was a normal thing for straight cis girls, which in turn made it hard to figure out that I was genuinely attracted to gay men, because I was one.
*I was also a weeb, so this was most of my friends and online friends
The Wellerman
I guess I get your point. Having some breathing room per say is really handy in figuring yourself out.
I always have dreams that I’m in public and can’t get my hand out of my pants. Like I’m somewhere private doing something private (not necessarily sexual, often just fixing my waistband or something) and then suddenly I’m in public with my hand in my pants and I can’t remove it and I’m trying to hide. In reality I’m usually sleeping on top of my own arm.
unfortunately I don’t think that’s what’s happening to Amber rn
215 thoughts on “Everybody knows”
Ana Chronistic
Is there a reverse of Stereotype Daisy?
bc Amber seems like it
Thag Simmons
Daisy is usually a lot less forward than this.
Rose by Any Other Name
Naw. I don’t really get the impression that Daisy is a voyeur.
Amber? Oh my yes.
Carla's #2 Fan
I do believe that’s the point. Amber’s voyeuristic desires about her exes is the opposite of Daisy’s desperate desires for someone to hook her up with a lady (preferably breast window included).
Carla's #2 Fan
Oh and the part where neither one is having their wish fulfilled
The Wellerman
Almost makes me wanna write a show-tune song featuring them.
Unfortunately, I ran out of Red Bull. ?
marcus erronius
Daisy almost gave Walky a job because a possibly hot girl licked his shirt. That’s voyeurism once removed, I think
Andy
I think that’s just being egregiously horny on main.
DarkoNeko
uh ? it’s even more in advance today. yay
King Daniel
Eventually the server’s clock will advance far enough back that we’ll be getting tomorrow’s strip today instead. The cycle will be complete then, as the strip will finally be updating at midnight again.
Reltzik
Allowing Phileas Fogg to win his stupid pointless bet.
…. wait, no, that’s not how that story went…
The Wellerman
Hey Daniel, here’s the commission I promised!
It’s my first time animating something too!
Tag the Cricket really gets BLOWN in this one bruh!
https://imgur.com/a/dnWRGAg
Rose by Any Other Name
That is a thing that is happening.
Seriously, though – excellent work on the animation.
King Daniel
He will yet have his REVENGE!
Spent a good couple minutes laughing and watching, looks great 🙂
Now, back to watching…
Clif
At which point we should get a leap-day strip. It’s only fair.
King Daniel
At the current rate of chronistic drift, we might actually fully loop around by 29 February 2024!
The Wellerman
I’d love for it to become a thing Willis!!!
WELCOME TO THE BLACK PARADE!!!
Andy
Eh, I like Danny and Sal. She needs someone who’ll love her without making her jump through hoops, and he needs someone who wants to be with him unreservedly.
Thag Simmons
They’re talking about Danny singing the songs the titles are quoting, which the alt-text pointed out has happened twice in a row.
thakoru
Can someone point me to when the first time was? Because I can’t find it.
Thag Simmons
This is it
WanderingLynx
My Chemical Romance does suit the general feel of DOA, innit ♥
Farmer_10
Now I’ve got a ukulele cover of that in my head and I hate it
The Wellerman
? The song that you ran from is back again!
? You wonder if the madness will ever end!
? *demonic dolphin laughter ensues*
RassilonTDavros
Amber is pretty much made for OT3s, isn’t she.
Doctor_Who
In both universes.
Clif
Technically, that’s a third universe. One where the drama tag had only just been pulled.
WanderingLynx
Amber being poly would either solve a lot of things, or make them worse. But I’d be down for it in both cases :3c
Kyrik Michalowski
Come on Amber, at least tell us where your hand is, for science, of course.
Also I feel Danny is forgetting the real reason they didn’t together: Mike.
So what are the odds that Amber decides to write fanfiction of her exes/friends?
Sirksome
I don’t like much about Amber but this specifically is really cringe to me. Please stop announcing you get off on the idea of your friends banging. Especially if they don’t like each other. Like just keep it to yourself.
Sirksome
I just feel like if I had a lesbian friend and told them I got an erection from the idea of her fucking someone else I knew I’d have earned myself a slap in the face. I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong on this.
Doctor_Who
It might make it a little more okay because she has a romantic history herself with both of the involved dudes, and in particular a sexual history with Danny (never got that far with Ethan), so maybe they are okay talking openly about this stuff.
Or not, I might be talking out of my butt here. Amber being inappropriate isn’t exactly out of character for her, she’s kind of a mess. Danny seems chill about it, but being chill about things is kind of his whole deal as well.
Thag Simmons
There would definitely be a much stronger negative reaction if this was a straight dude talking about his ex-girlfriends though.
Leorale
Things are legitimately different when guys vs. girls do them in a boy/girl relationship. When a straight fellow is turned on, the lady has to figure out if there’s an implicit threat.
(It sucks.)
Even so, *anyone* walking over with their hands in their pants is weirding me right out!
Oh well — it is a portrait of foolish college students, not a portrait of virtue or vice.
WanderingLynx
+1. It’s pretty cringe from Amber, but generally speaking, since gender dynamics aren’t equal…
(Plus in this case, both quoted parties were Amber’s boyfriends whom she had sexual feelings for – In one case, enthusiastically reciprocated; and in the other, there was enough of a lack of boundaries Ethan had zero problems with telling her about his escapades.
It’s MOST DEFINITELY NOT something I’d do but, uh. At least Danny doesn’t seem bothered by it.)
thejeff
Both have also read her fanfic and have had ample opportunities to let on that they’re bothered by it.
zee
I mean straight girls dehumanizing and fetishizing gay men to their faces is A Thing.
there’s a reason no one likes fujoshi
Ike
This. People trying to say it’s not as big a deal is pretty fucking creepy and weird.
AlexanderHammil
I mean even then it really depends on the relationship folks have with their exes. Like, *in general* this isn’t great, but *in specific* it can be fine.
But, yes, Amber’s a mess. Her two moods are bleak existential despair and giddy horniness and she’s pretty explicitly using her libido in this storyline to break out of her doomspiral. She and Joe are… not so different.
Freemage
Honestly, Panel 2 Danny, being chill about being out, is definitively my favorite Danny.
Rainhat
You’re not wrong.
Rose by Any Other Name
I mean, a lot of it depends on the sort of relationship that has been established.
As the Doctor notes, it would bother me a lot less having a male lover say that about me and my wife than a random stranger or male friend who was not also a sexual partner.
adam Black
It’s different because we have a culture where woman arent permitted to endorse M-M , most Bi men are closeted, Most Women will refuse to date Bi men. and its been permitted for Women to display homophobia to men only for decades
Until all those stigmas ends , Yoai and Bara functions as a social good.
Thag Simmons
I am way out of my depth here, but people more knowledgeable about this than me have been highly critical of media fetishizing queer people and romances for a straight audience, that handling this stuff badly can hurt more than it helps and reinforce harmful attitudes.
Clif
What a person gets up to in the privacy of their own mind is their own business. *
If, however, they make it public, we get to savage them unmercifully to establish our moral superiority. **
* And maybe God’s, given a whole raft of assumptions.
** That is the way it works, isn’t it?
Spencer
I feel like gay/lesbian pornography only hurts as a result of a system that already hurts queer folks. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying porn of two dudes macking on each other, it’s only a problem when it exits outside that fantasy. Currently, well, yes, it does exist outside that fantasy to the detriment of queer men, but I don’t think there’s some kind of threshold to cross before it’s now morally acceptable to like gay porn. I think both can happen; porn can be porn, and people can be people.
In a vacuum, like, no, I do not actually think it’s exploitative for a man to create lesbian porn or for a woman to create gay porn; pornography is about fulfilling a desire, however that manifests. I don’t think it’s weird if a dude wants to think about girls kissing and then writes/draws that, I think it’s weird if “thinking about girls kissing” is the only level he cares to engage with queer woman on.
Or: Amber jilling off to Stucky isn’t a problem, it’s a problem when she expects and asks that same gratification from actual people, and if that gratification shapes how she views them.
zee
Given the sheer amount of yaoi that perpetuates the stereotype that gay men are predatory a en r*pey, imma have to say nah to that one chief
These girls think Killing Stalking is a romance and the relationship is cute. Even if you have no idea what that is, it’s called fucking Killing Stalking
Spencer
Yeah that.
Yaoi is not meant for queer men, it’s porn for straight girls.
Which, like, it’s fine that it is, it’s okay to want porn of boys touching weiners, but I’m not gonna call lesbian pornography very clearly aimed at dudes a stepforward for lesbian acceptance or whatever.
Lan
I’m glad someone said it
Andy
Do they hopefully kill stalking so that no one ever does it again? I’m assuming by your words they don’t, but that would be a really good use of that title that’s not creepy and terrible af.
zee
I’m a day too late lmao but it’s about a dude who gets caught stalking his crush so said crush holds him on false imprisonment and abuses him physically and. S-ually. Its meant to be a horrifying triller but there’s a large fan base thats more just. Into it.
GUIGUI
“Especially if they don’t like each other.” I mean, the whole point was specifically that they actually liked each other, so, it’s quite the opposite, there.
Sirksome
Except they clearly don’t like each other now and Amber should know this since Ethan essentially told her so by calling Danny a backstabber. She was also imagining him making out with imaginsry Mike a guy we know Danny hated, which is fine for s private thought but it shows this is much less about her previous relationship with Danny and more about her personsl arousal at him being gay. For example she doesn’t give a crap about Sal and Danny together, cause it’s not really about Danny or his attractions or Ethan for that matter. Makes this feel less quirky and more selfish.
Spencer
Something weird to me about Amber as a person is that for someone who constantly scrutinizes herself for behaviours that could be seen as socially awkward or a faux-pas, the one thing that has her dive right in is getting horny on main.
That’s not a “Amber is being problematic” comment or anything, mind, it’s something I find noteworthy about her.
Thag Simmons
Eh, I think there’s more than enough other stuff to make the case for deliberate self-sabotage, although this level of shamelessness is clearly for the sake of making jokes.
Jamie
“I have a lot of hangups, but not about sex.”
Spencer
Aight I wrote this but: don’t treat the queer men in your life like this, straight girls.
It’s not actually woke and accepting to go “mmm yes fuck for my amusement” or for others to treat it as quirky and endearing and “taking ownership of your sexuality” or whatever when that ownership comes at the cost of queer men. Amber here is doing the exact thing I was fine brushing off with Ethan, because the two of them had the established boundary where this behaviour was something Ethan comfortably accepted, which Amber has obviously not with Danny vis-a-vis his sexuality.
This ain’t a story complaint, either in thinking it’s presented as endearingly quirky or even just the portrayal of prejudice in likeable and sympathetic characters; that’s not only something I think fiction absolutely should engage with more often, we also just got done Joyce reciting the comments section every time we find out Ruth isn’t actually a lesbian.
Axel
it’s very realistic to Amber’s age, sexuality, and immersion in fandom (but as a gay yes confirmed gross even without the public maybe masturbation)
Spencer
I know. I think it’s extremely true to Amber’s character, and it’s extremely true to the actions of far too many women.
To be perfectly frank, having a series like DoA where I know going in that there’s no desire to praise this behaviour helps me parse through the behaviour itself, much like we just did with Joyce and Ruth. I can think about why Amber thinks it, which is the point of a story.
Axel
I meant that in agreement to your comment, just to be clear.
Not specifically at you, aside from the grossness, as a not-out-to-myself gay trans man in high school, it also was super confusing to have all the weebs* I was friends with indicate that fetishizing gays was a normal thing for straight cis girls, which in turn made it hard to figure out that I was genuinely attracted to gay men, because I was one.
*I was also a weeb, so this was most of my friends and online friends
The Wellerman
I guess I get your point. Having some breathing room per say is really handy in figuring yourself out.
drs
Bottom row: https://www.egscomics.com/comic/party-043
Clif
Another case where good friends are allowed transgressions of the general rules.
Megan Rivera
I think it’s important ?
The Wellerman
Me too ? ?
Sirksome
I think the answer depends entirely on how much foot traffic this area of IU gets. Maybe she can get away with it.
The Wellerman
Here’s an interesting thought experiment to keep your brains busy ?
Would it be easier to get away with it there or at a beach, and why?
Axel
I always have dreams that I’m in public and can’t get my hand out of my pants. Like I’m somewhere private doing something private (not necessarily sexual, often just fixing my waistband or something) and then suddenly I’m in public with my hand in my pants and I can’t remove it and I’m trying to hide. In reality I’m usually sleeping on top of my own arm.
unfortunately I don’t think that’s what’s happening to Amber rn
Clif
Yeah, Amber. I think it’s of *some* importance.
ADLegend21
omg Amber you WYLIN lmaoooo
ReFlex76
Horny Amber = Best Amber
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