I’ve heard people claim Egypt isn’t in Africa and like…I’m no Geography major but I’m like….not sure how that’s possible. It’s still part of that continent! Sure it’s bordering Asia but like…Panama borders South America but it’s still North America I thought. (Ok some people call it Central America but I think that’s just semantics!)
(OK I just looked up Panama because up til this moment I legit thought Mexico bordered Columbia because I’m an uncultured moron so maybe my opinion on Geography isn’t the best).
Oh I’m absolutely uncultured 😛 I don’t know shit about fuck except cartoons and comics. My mind is like a wikipedia article of irrelevant knowledge. I’m just a Georgia hick with a tablet.
Clif
All knowledge is contained in cartoons and comics.
It’s tied to racism, basically. Anthropologically, race exists purely in a cultural context. White means something different in the US than it does in Europe, Russians/Arabic people/Indians are all Asian but not on a lot of census forms, etc.
Which means that when talking about ancient Egypt, there are various reasonable scholars who say things like “ancient Egyptians weren’t black”, by which they mean “it was 5,000 years ago, races were different then”, but which racists today co-opt to say that “all great civilizations were made by white people, nope, ancient egypt wasn’t black, here’s an out-of-context quote from a respected professor saying that”.
That argument tends to fall apart quickly because it’s nonsense, but now people have made “Ancient egyptians weren’t african” part of their identity, so they start denying the geography instead. This argument is ALSO nonsense, but it’s such confusing nonsense that it tends to last longer. And then other people run into the debate without any of that context, get confused, and start parroting parts of it.
Isn’t a worldwide method of communicating and sharing information just a great boon to everyone?
Thag Simmons
Also, what we would define as Ancient Egypt was around for like 30 centuries, which is a very long time, and it changed a lot over that span of time.
Rabid Rabbit
And for several of those centuries, it was definitely ruled by very definitely black people.
Thag Simmons
Yeah, “Cleopatra would be considered white” and “there were Pharoahs who would be considered black” are not actually contradictions!
davidbreslin101
National Geographic once did an issue called “The Black Pharaohs,” about a period when Egypt and its southern neighbour, Kush, were united under Kushite rulers. Which was pretty interesting, but as several of the letters pointed out next issue, there really wasn’t a racial dividing line between Egypt and Kush back then.
Well in Antiquity, “Africa” used to refer to the land “south of the Mediterranean, and west of Egypt”. So Egypt wasn’t in Africa, just like Spain is not in Portugal. Carthage was in Africa, though.
Though the notions of geography changed with time. They didn’t have satellite maps of the world, and the very notion of continent would take a while to really crystallize.
davidbreslin101
IIRC, the Greeks didn’t consider themselves part of “Europe”, which was their name for the barabarian lands immediately to the north of them.
Greeks don’t consider themselves part of Europe today, at least in the cultural sense. They will routinely say things such as “I went to Europe on holiday”. (really, they mean Western Europe.)
I’m not sure where your notion comes from though? per Wikipedia, in its earliest geographical sense “Europe” was north of the Mediterranean and west of the Aegean, so definitely included Greece.
thejeff
Apparently the oldest known reference to “Europe” at least as a geographical term is in the Homeric Hymn to Apollo, which refers to Europe, Peloponnesus and the islands – implying that the Peloponnesus (Greece) isn’t part of Europe.
The Pelopennese is far from being all of Greece, though. It’s the peninsula south of Corinth. Athens isn’t in the Pelopennese. Neither is Thebes. “Europa” in that hymn means what we now call “mainland Greece”.
Ooh a twist! That makes sense, Pelopponisos is just barely not an island. In fact the “nissos” part means island.
Mopey
Hair splitting: That definition was for inhabitants, not land. The “Afri” were originally all the peoples living “In the northern ‘Libyan’ continent and west of the Nile”, but in practice it included everyone living on the continent before it really became a place name.
In late antiquity there were provinces that were called Africa or “The African ” but those were smaller areas that had much better defined borders.
Agemegos
For example, Herodotus used “Libya” for what we call “Africa” now, except that he considered the Nile to be the boundary between Libya and Asia. I think he was only vaguely aware of the Red Sea.
someone
It’s pretty amusing that Africa used to be roughly the area of modern Libya, and Libya used to be the African continent. There was a big nomenclature switcheroo there.
i think that many people in western countries seem to not remember that
a) India is in Asia
b) Egypt is in Africa
because the stereotypes we have for these countries differ from the stereotypes we have for the mashed up rest of each of these continents…
There’s a lot of accents and dialects (and probably impediments) that tend to pronounce “th” as “d”. I have met many such people.
Rose by Any Other Name
Some people pronounce “the” as “da” (pronounced like duh).
Many people also pronounce the ‘de’ in denial as ‘da’ (same as above)
Thag Simmons
Yeah so did my parents. Still not entirely sure I’m pronouncing it right.
OBBWG
Da Nile? Dat dere is a fine example uh da Mawaukee German accent, aina?
RedCat
In Germany it would just be Nil.
khn0
Well, it’s as they said: cultural germans aren’t germans in germany.
Also we better don’t start with what is german or dialectal, orr whatev, bc it becomes scary, to be frank or even frankish…
I don’t have the faintest idea what you’re talking about, of course dee Amazon is a river in South America and nothing else, especially not a scary powerful global megaretailer with appalling labour practices,
Aside from Liz propositioning Joe, both of them being alone in Joe’s room, and (this may be important later) Danny being booted, sleeping awfully and not knowing “nothing” happened. Me thinks the dank dragon of drama is restless in its sleep.
This is probably about where Danny re-enters, so all he’ll know is he saw Liz with Joe at night, Liz with Joe (Liz all smiles) at breakfast, and Joe has no alibi.
Eh, she is eventually getting back to her own campus. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a semi-regular bus service.
I’m not even sure they’d fight, I think Liz would be like ‘Teach me your Smart Science Atheism Ways’ and Dina would be like ‘excellent, another pupil’ and it only becomes a problem once Becky inevitably shows up.
The Wellerman
My senses are picking up on the Chaos Energy already.
Or that could just be my craving for another chili dog.
Either way is a win win.
Psychie
I just checked, and there does not appear to be a shuttle from IU to Ball State, one *could* take a shuttle to Indy and then another shuttle to Muncie, but there doesn’t appear to be a direct line. Also, the bus tickets are probably $20-50, and IIRC the Bloomington bus station is cash only for the shuttle lines (I could be remembering wrong, their card reader might have just been busted at the time, but they definitely made me pay in cash that one time). Granted, if you acquire the ticket online via Greyhound you can pay electronically, but for whatever reason I don’t see her thinking of doing that, like I fully expect she would go to the bus station, try to arrange a ticket on a shuttle, and then panic because she doesn’t carry that much cash on her.
I’ve done it a couple times since then but not as consistently and I usually still napped.
DinaJoyce
My rule has always been that I will acknowledge that a new day has started only after the sun comes up. If I don’t manage to go to bed until after sunrise I have to acknowledge that I slept “this morning” and not “last night.” Until sunrise the day remains “today” regardless of what the clock and calendar say. One year in grad school I had one of those crazy housemates who would wake up at 5am. That’s the only time this system caused any confusion, but most of the time I was going to bed as he woke up and we were both solidly half asleep so we would just kinda grunt “g’morning” and “g’night” respectively as he walked to the kitchen and I to my bedroom. Then we usually didnt see each other again until after class and could agree what “today” meant at that point.
216 thoughts on “Ride’s due”
Ana Chronistic
haha, we were talking with the folks about denial isn’t just a river in Africa
Rando: “IT’S NOT IN AFRICA”
Us: “lol whut, learn your geography”
Yotomoe
I’ve heard people claim Egypt isn’t in Africa and like…I’m no Geography major but I’m like….not sure how that’s possible. It’s still part of that continent! Sure it’s bordering Asia but like…Panama borders South America but it’s still North America I thought. (Ok some people call it Central America but I think that’s just semantics!)
(OK I just looked up Panama because up til this moment I legit thought Mexico bordered Columbia because I’m an uncultured moron so maybe my opinion on Geography isn’t the best).
Rose by Any Other Name
It’s also a stupid argument since the Nile river goes far beyond Egypt. It’s a really, really long river.
a/snow/mous/e
It’s one of the 1.618 longest rivers in the world!
The Wellerman
Moron? Debatable.
Uncultured? From the looks of your art, definitely not! ?
Yotomoe
Oh I’m absolutely uncultured 😛 I don’t know shit about fuck except cartoons and comics. My mind is like a wikipedia article of irrelevant knowledge. I’m just a Georgia hick with a tablet.
Clif
All knowledge is contained in cartoons and comics.
milu
non-cartoon/comics data is noise and is to be disregarded.
The Wellerman
Oh trust me bruh, you’re cultured. ?
Viktoria
It’s tied to racism, basically. Anthropologically, race exists purely in a cultural context. White means something different in the US than it does in Europe, Russians/Arabic people/Indians are all Asian but not on a lot of census forms, etc.
Which means that when talking about ancient Egypt, there are various reasonable scholars who say things like “ancient Egyptians weren’t black”, by which they mean “it was 5,000 years ago, races were different then”, but which racists today co-opt to say that “all great civilizations were made by white people, nope, ancient egypt wasn’t black, here’s an out-of-context quote from a respected professor saying that”.
That argument tends to fall apart quickly because it’s nonsense, but now people have made “Ancient egyptians weren’t african” part of their identity, so they start denying the geography instead. This argument is ALSO nonsense, but it’s such confusing nonsense that it tends to last longer. And then other people run into the debate without any of that context, get confused, and start parroting parts of it.
Isn’t a worldwide method of communicating and sharing information just a great boon to everyone?
Thag Simmons
Also, what we would define as Ancient Egypt was around for like 30 centuries, which is a very long time, and it changed a lot over that span of time.
Rabid Rabbit
And for several of those centuries, it was definitely ruled by very definitely black people.
Thag Simmons
Yeah, “Cleopatra would be considered white” and “there were Pharoahs who would be considered black” are not actually contradictions!
davidbreslin101
National Geographic once did an issue called “The Black Pharaohs,” about a period when Egypt and its southern neighbour, Kush, were united under Kushite rulers. Which was pretty interesting, but as several of the letters pointed out next issue, there really wasn’t a racial dividing line between Egypt and Kush back then.
someone
Well in Antiquity, “Africa” used to refer to the land “south of the Mediterranean, and west of Egypt”. So Egypt wasn’t in Africa, just like Spain is not in Portugal. Carthage was in Africa, though.
Though the notions of geography changed with time. They didn’t have satellite maps of the world, and the very notion of continent would take a while to really crystallize.
davidbreslin101
IIRC, the Greeks didn’t consider themselves part of “Europe”, which was their name for the barabarian lands immediately to the north of them.
milu
Greeks don’t consider themselves part of Europe today, at least in the cultural sense. They will routinely say things such as “I went to Europe on holiday”. (really, they mean Western Europe.)
I’m not sure where your notion comes from though? per Wikipedia, in its earliest geographical sense “Europe” was north of the Mediterranean and west of the Aegean, so definitely included Greece.
thejeff
Apparently the oldest known reference to “Europe” at least as a geographical term is in the Homeric Hymn to Apollo, which refers to Europe, Peloponnesus and the islands – implying that the Peloponnesus (Greece) isn’t part of Europe.
milu
oh ok! thanks.
Agemegos
The Pelopennese is far from being all of Greece, though. It’s the peninsula south of Corinth. Athens isn’t in the Pelopennese. Neither is Thebes. “Europa” in that hymn means what we now call “mainland Greece”.
thejeff
Ah. Nice catch. I should have realized that.
milu
Ooh a twist! That makes sense, Pelopponisos is just barely not an island. In fact the “nissos” part means island.
Mopey
Hair splitting: That definition was for inhabitants, not land. The “Afri” were originally all the peoples living “In the northern ‘Libyan’ continent and west of the Nile”, but in practice it included everyone living on the continent before it really became a place name.
In late antiquity there were provinces that were called Africa or “The African ” but those were smaller areas that had much better defined borders.
Agemegos
For example, Herodotus used “Libya” for what we call “Africa” now, except that he considered the Nile to be the boundary between Libya and Asia. I think he was only vaguely aware of the Red Sea.
someone
It’s pretty amusing that Africa used to be roughly the area of modern Libya, and Libya used to be the African continent. There was a big nomenclature switcheroo there.
Felian
i think that many people in western countries seem to not remember that
a) India is in Asia
b) Egypt is in Africa
because the stereotypes we have for these countries differ from the stereotypes we have for the mashed up rest of each of these continents…
Thag Simmons
There is to my knowledge, no actual African river called ‘Denial’, so they aren’t wrong.
DarkoNeko
I really fail to see how “the nile” could possibly ever be pronounced llike “denial”
Yotomoe
There’s a lot of accents and dialects (and probably impediments) that tend to pronounce “th” as “d”. I have met many such people.
Rose by Any Other Name
Some people pronounce “the” as “da” (pronounced like duh).
Many people also pronounce the ‘de’ in denial as ‘da’ (same as above)
Thag Simmons
Yeah so did my parents. Still not entirely sure I’m pronouncing it right.
OBBWG
Da Nile? Dat dere is a fine example uh da Mawaukee German accent, aina?
RedCat
In Germany it would just be Nil.
khn0
Well, it’s as they said: cultural germans aren’t germans in germany.
Also we better don’t start with what is german or dialectal, orr whatev, bc it becomes scary, to be frank or even frankish…
Edwin I Callahan
You haven’t spent a lot of time in Chicago.
BarerMender
New rule: Retire the “river in Africa” joke. It wasn’t funny when it was new.
Reltzik
Yup. Stick it on the same interior pathway as Dina.
Reltzik
… maybe that’s too subtle. Stick it on the same small ocean-bound landmass as Dina?
King Daniel
That joke was too insular for most people, I’ll wager.
milu
…yeah i didn’t get it.
will i contribute a geography pun regardless? shore.
Reltzik
(Dina-aisle and Dina-isle.)
milu
ooooh well done. i hadn’t seen it atoll
Reltzik
And yet I penned it anyway.
Thag Simmons
Is this a western interior seaway joke?
Decidedly Orthogonal
It’s a good thing we can ignore that joke, dee amazon is not just a river in south america after all.
milu
I don’t have the faintest idea what you’re talking about, of course dee Amazon is a river in South America and nothing else, especially not a scary powerful global megaretailer with appalling labour practices,
Sirksome
Technically nothing happened so this isn’t denial.
milu
And “technically not denial” doesn’t, technically, count as denial
Decidedly Orthogonal
Aside from Liz propositioning Joe, both of them being alone in Joe’s room, and (this may be important later) Danny being booted, sleeping awfully and not knowing “nothing” happened. Me thinks the dank dragon of drama is restless in its sleep.
Decidedly Orthogonal
This is probably about where Danny re-enters, so all he’ll know is he saw Liz with Joe at night, Liz with Joe (Liz all smiles) at breakfast, and Joe has no alibi.
Regalli
… Well, good news, awkwardness prevented.
Bad news: Liz is clearly repressing everything.
Worse news: If she and Dina get into the Atheist Hootenanny I dearly want to occur here, she will miss her ride.
Sirksome
Y’know I’m actually starting to think there never was a ride. Let them fight.
Regalli
Eh, she is eventually getting back to her own campus. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a semi-regular bus service.
I’m not even sure they’d fight, I think Liz would be like ‘Teach me your Smart Science Atheism Ways’ and Dina would be like ‘excellent, another pupil’ and it only becomes a problem once Becky inevitably shows up.
The Wellerman
My senses are picking up on the Chaos Energy already.
Or that could just be my craving for another chili dog.
Either way is a win win.
Psychie
I just checked, and there does not appear to be a shuttle from IU to Ball State, one *could* take a shuttle to Indy and then another shuttle to Muncie, but there doesn’t appear to be a direct line. Also, the bus tickets are probably $20-50, and IIRC the Bloomington bus station is cash only for the shuttle lines (I could be remembering wrong, their card reader might have just been busted at the time, but they definitely made me pay in cash that one time). Granted, if you acquire the ticket online via Greyhound you can pay electronically, but for whatever reason I don’t see her thinking of doing that, like I fully expect she would go to the bus station, try to arrange a ticket on a shuttle, and then panic because she doesn’t carry that much cash on her.
Rabid Rabbit
Joe was going to be the ride, but Liz canceled it.
ThunderNight
wait I thought it only happened earlier today
Yotomoe
It’s tommorow. So like if it was earlier today it was like…1am.
I am of the personal opinion that doesn’t start until I go to sleep and subsequently wake up.
Clif
i concur. Except on those rare days when I do not sleep.
Which come to think of it, has not happened since I was a graduate student.
Yotomoe
I’ve done it a couple times since then but not as consistently and I usually still napped.
DinaJoyce
My rule has always been that I will acknowledge that a new day has started only after the sun comes up. If I don’t manage to go to bed until after sunrise I have to acknowledge that I slept “this morning” and not “last night.” Until sunrise the day remains “today” regardless of what the clock and calendar say. One year in grad school I had one of those crazy housemates who would wake up at 5am. That’s the only time this system caused any confusion, but most of the time I was going to bed as he woke up and we were both solidly half asleep so we would just kinda grunt “g’morning” and “g’night” respectively as he walked to the kitchen and I to my bedroom. Then we usually didnt see each other again until after class and could agree what “today” meant at that point.
Reltzik
So, I’ll have twice as many days in my life if I switch to a diurnal schedule?
Decidedly Orthogonal
Pretty sure it is today. It’s _always_ today. Even when it’s tomorrow, it’ll be today.
tbf
New chapters start at midnight.
Decidedly Orthogonal
On days ending in ‘y’.
AeromechanicalAce
Yikes, THAT’S a healthy coping mechanism…/s
Thag Simmons
I don’t know why the repetition in the final panel is so funny to me, but it very much is.
Nono
I like the extra grip Dina has on Joe’s shirt for better balance during the handshake.
The Wellerman
“The cave”?
I don’t get it.
Jeff K!
In Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, Yoda says this line while riding in Luke Skywalker’s backpack.
The Wellerman
Are you sure that wasn’t another episode?
’cause this clip from The Empire Strikes Back clearly shows Yoda on a tree, not on Luke.
Needfuldoer
It was definitely Empire, the Yoda-backpack part was just earlier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=infZSKB5L9I
The Wellerman
Man I haven’t seen Star Wars in a long time.
That Dina / Yoda correspondence though ?