I’m actually convinced that this is part of an autism-related language disability, but not one that people take seriously. (Including, in my experience, plenty of other autistics.)
It is but a single neurodivergent stripe that can occur alongside many others in countless unique combinations in all of us NDs! ?
not someone else
I do since I learned how the fuck it actually worked in college and I’m pretty sure it’s also an autistic thing (though in my case it’s less a disability and more “pretty words sound Good and Correct this way”).
Azhrei Vep
I absolutely have ever since I learned how to use it correctly. It just sounds too cool not to.
keithcurtis
I’m in the “whom users” crowd, too. It’s actually pretty simple.
I’m prepared to bet that out of the four people in this strip, at least one, and possibly two would say “whom”.
Needfuldoer
This needs to be one of those table memes. “Knows when it’s grammatically correct” vs “doesn’t actually know when it’s grammatically correct”, “uses it” vs “doesn’t use it”:
If the VAST majority of people that speak a language don’t follow the rules, then the rules are wrong, not the people. Here’s my hill, I was dying somewhere near here anyway.
walterw
agreed
i think “whom” is kind of going away in english; nobody says it unless they’re deliberately drawing attention to the fact that they said it, at which point the actual conversation is derailed
Walky’s got a different strain of obnoxiousness. He’s a ridiculous manchild who can’t get any interest in things outside of fast food and cartoons. But he usually only advertises that by being a slob, not by screaming it from the rooftops with a loudspeaker like Becky does about her sapphicity.
They both are, and if you’re not sure, you should ALWAYS default to “who”. Because that’s always correct.
But if you’re really bound and determined to use “whom”, the rule that it appears only as the object of the clause. So if you could replace it (if it’s a statement) or answer it (if it’s a question) with “Me, hiM, or theM” then you go with whoM.
You’ll sound pretentious, but it’s better than sounding both pretentious and also incorrect.
Again, though, “who” is always correct in all places. Even the most starched-shirt prescriptivist now realizes that.
Yeah, well, there’s probably somebody out there still banging the drum about persons vs people, because for any given definition of “nobody” there’s always SOME one.
As a fairly starched shirt (who has never worn a starched shirt) I would agree that “who” is used in all places in informal speech and writing (even if it isn’t always correct). There are still cases when being more formal that (at least to my ear) “whom” should be used and “who” sounds off.
I guess this is Willis’ way of confirming that Walky and Amber did in fact bang. Although I like to think they used protections so maybe this isn’t actually proof?
So she is going to hide it from Joyce, which as we established might come back,to bite her in the ass. But I have to admit that Dina and Becky are very cute at this moment.
I love this, both Amber being totally blindsided, and Dina being excited, too.
Even if she’s being a bit of a brat about it, I do like that Becky’s confiding in Dorothy here. Does speak to the idea they are friends, Becky just likes playing into a non-existent rivalry, which, I do like when Dorothy humors her a little on it and sasses her back.
I mean she finaly realized how Sex feels, probably not as much pleasure as her watching and judging the Jurassic Park movies, while convincing fans of the series that the movies got it wrong, but still pleasure. She wanted to explore that part of science, succeeded, and got one over on God, of course she is Hyped.
The first one is too damn sad and I feel like it would be a real mood killer.
The sequels…okay, I gave up after 2 myself as a kid, but I’ve seen a video about all of them, and I can’t believe Dina doesn’t have access to better dinosaur media than that.
Switchchris24
Dinotopia was a decent show, if not a little inaccurate
I clicked through to see if there was a “never watched any of them”, then raised both eyebrows at seeing there were TWELVE options? Wowza, that’s a lot.
(in less important news, you labelled VII twice, and “make between 1 and 3 choices” implies 2 is the only valid number of choices. where “make from 1 to 3 choices” works better here, but it’s REALLY not important, don’t worry about it)
Yeah it’s quite the marathon if you watch all of them!
Be sure to have a snacks at the ready if you plan to do this!
Speaking of which PirateTawnee, I don’t believe you ever told me your favorite hotdog dipping sauces.
PirateTawnee
I’m not sure I’ve ever dipped a hotdog in anything. I have no idea when I last ate a hotdog, possibly in a year that started with a 2, but also possibly not. (I’m very dull, but bring on more exciting questions!)
Headcanon that blue and yellow just happen to be Amber’s favorite colours. AG just started off with whatever she had lying around, and if you’re a superhero, once you have a brand you gotta run with it.
Most of the characters have color schemes we tend to see them in. They don’t always wear them, but they have marked tendencies. The older Walkyverse characters in particular tended to have outfits that were basically part of their character designs, and the colors, at least, have carried through to the Dumbiverse. Like, Joyce isn’t always in dark orange, Dina isn’t always in drab green and khaki, Walky isn’t always in light blue and white, Jennifer doesn’t wear yellow nearly as much as Billie did… but they have definite preferences.
Both Amber and Amazi-Girl wear blue and yellow, but Amazi-Girl goes with bright saturated colors, and Amber uses more muted shades, and more blue than yellow. Blaine, incidentally, was the same blue as Amber, which I don’t think is coincidence.
The bar colors in the F-bomb chart aren’t random. Some of them aren’t the character’s preferred color — like Ruth’s is a dark green, but I went with her hair color instead, and others, particularly minor characters, I wasn’t able to work out their color scheme, so I went with something kind of arbitrary (like, Leslie’s bar matches her phone) — but most of them are.
I did several pages today of the Billie/Walky thing so I compiled the first 6 pages. https://imgur.com/a/Yxu5tYy
Let me know what you think of it so far. Any changes I should make before lining? Is it sexy? Do you think the characterization is good?
Only point I really have dialogue-wise is that Walky’s “of course not!” in the fourth strip seems a little… underplayed, for him? A little too formal-sounding, anyway. I’d probably go with something more like “Hell no!” Overall, this is looking really good.
Maybe he was taken off guard by the surprise onset of substantial sized booba in his face and defaulted to the proper queen’s English as a nervous quirk?
I think starting it off with “this is a rebound” is actually a really good place to work with them in-character because it helps sell that they would have to be alone, depressed, and more than a little starved for affection, at the exact same time in the exact same circumstance (and on the exact same day, no less) before they’d even consider a casual fling.
Like they’d have to be desperate but then that’s how broken down they feel right now. I like it.
I am so thankful to Sirksome for suggesting that this take place after Halloween.It gave me a lot of ideas on how to push the characterization forward in a way that seems at least…realistic for them.
Spencer
Yeah while I was reading it I was kinda thinking “is the dialogue too open from someone like Walky?” but that’s what made it work, Walky would have to be this burnt out for this to actually happen, so fwiw I think you’ve nailed the “how to do this with the canon personalities” part you’ve talked about.
187 thoughts on “Judgy-judgy”
Ana Chronistic
put up with Becky’s sillyphilis and catch groanorrhoea/genital DERPes
Ana Chronistic
alt-text: also feeling “whom”; fucking NOBODY uses it (correctly)
Uly
I actually do, and have since childhood.
I’m actually convinced that this is part of an autism-related language disability, but not one that people take seriously. (Including, in my experience, plenty of other autistics.)
The Wellerman
It is but a single neurodivergent stripe that can occur alongside many others in countless unique combinations in all of us NDs! ?
not someone else
I do since I learned how the fuck it actually worked in college and I’m pretty sure it’s also an autistic thing (though in my case it’s less a disability and more “pretty words sound Good and Correct this way”).
Azhrei Vep
I absolutely have ever since I learned how to use it correctly. It just sounds too cool not to.
keithcurtis
I’m in the “whom users” crowd, too. It’s actually pretty simple.
BTW, Hi Azhrei.
Daibhid C
I’m prepared to bet that out of the four people in this strip, at least one, and possibly two would say “whom”.
Needfuldoer
This needs to be one of those table memes. “Knows when it’s grammatically correct” vs “doesn’t actually know when it’s grammatically correct”, “uses it” vs “doesn’t use it”:
Knows / Uses: Booster
Knows / Doesn’t use: Dorothy
Doesn’t know / Doesn’t use: Walky
Doesn’t know / Uses: Mary
davidbreslin101
Mary: “Am I the only one here whom knows how to talk proper?”
Despite Rage
If the VAST majority of people that speak a language don’t follow the rules, then the rules are wrong, not the people. Here’s my hill, I was dying somewhere near here anyway.
walterw
agreed
i think “whom” is kind of going away in english; nobody says it unless they’re deliberately drawing attention to the fact that they said it, at which point the actual conversation is derailed
Yet_One_More_Idiot
Me: Who just said that, and to whom?
(I do try to use “whom”, but I generally forget. But when I do remember to use it, I do at least use it correctly xD)
Decidedly Orthogonal
Indeed. And Dina nails Becky’s lead as well.
The Wellerman
Gaydiation levels are rising, and it’s delightfully delicious!!! ?
OOOO! This will be fun!!!
✌️? ? ? ?
*plays “The Show” by Waterflame on Hacked Muzak*
Doctor_Who
God I hope not, Amber, or imagine what Dorothy would have picked up from Walky.
someone
Walky’s got a different strain of obnoxiousness. He’s a ridiculous manchild who can’t get any interest in things outside of fast food and cartoons. But he usually only advertises that by being a slob, not by screaming it from the rooftops with a loudspeaker like Becky does about her sapphicity.
thejeff
We know that being a drama hurricane is sexually transmitted, that’s just a more extreme version, right?
Opus the Poet
TBH this is very jarring coming from Dina.
Currently listening to “Thick As A Brick” on the hacked Muzak.
The Wellerman
BTW Willis, in case you’re wondering, “who” is actually correct.
The Wellerman
For the first usage, that is.
a/snow/mous/e
yeah, the alt-text is referring to the second “who”
no, who’s on first. what’s the name of the guy on secondJeff K!
I don’t know. THIRD BASE!
Decidedly Orthogonal
Pretty sure that slipshine was a home-run.
Opus the Poet
As I recall, about 7 RBI.
Uly
They both are, and if you’re not sure, you should ALWAYS default to “who”. Because that’s always correct.
But if you’re really bound and determined to use “whom”, the rule that it appears only as the object of the clause. So if you could replace it (if it’s a statement) or answer it (if it’s a question) with “Me, hiM, or theM” then you go with whoM.
You’ll sound pretentious, but it’s better than sounding both pretentious and also incorrect.
Again, though, “who” is always correct in all places. Even the most starched-shirt prescriptivist now realizes that.
Clif
Not all prescriptivists.
Uly
Yeah, well, there’s probably somebody out there still banging the drum about persons vs people, because for any given definition of “nobody” there’s always SOME one.
Otl1973
As a fairly starched shirt (who has never worn a starched shirt) I would agree that “who” is used in all places in informal speech and writing (even if it isn’t always correct). There are still cases when being more formal that (at least to my ear) “whom” should be used and “who” sounds off.
khn0
i AlWaYs kNeW mEtAlLiCa WeRe OnLy PaNdErInG tO sTaRcH iNdUsTrY
Sirksome
I mean Joyce is probably experiencing so much pain her ears are ringing to loud to hear properly so these can go off!
Thag Simmons
Is making jokes about personality traits being sexually transmitted sexually transmitted?
Sirksome
I guess this is Willis’ way of confirming that Walky and Amber did in fact bang. Although I like to think they used protections so maybe this isn’t actually proof?
Yumi
Well, sometimes even with protection…
butting
I think he was talking about Billie-to-Alice transmission?
Juanoku
Nah, Billie isn’t even in this strip, that wouldn’t make much sense
Diane
Did you click the link?
Kyrik Michalowski
So she is going to hide it from Joyce, which as we established might come back,to bite her in the ass. But I have to admit that Dina and Becky are very cute at this moment.
DailyBrad
I love this, both Amber being totally blindsided, and Dina being excited, too.
Even if she’s being a bit of a brat about it, I do like that Becky’s confiding in Dorothy here. Does speak to the idea they are friends, Becky just likes playing into a non-existent rivalry, which, I do like when Dorothy humors her a little on it and sasses her back.
DJTsurugi
I love that Dina is so on board with this, she seems so much more expressive and it’s wonderful. ~<3
Switchchris24
I mean she finaly realized how Sex feels, probably not as much pleasure as her watching and judging the Jurassic Park movies, while convincing fans of the series that the movies got it wrong, but still pleasure. She wanted to explore that part of science, succeeded, and got one over on God, of course she is Hyped.
Doctor_Who
Phase 2: have sex with Becky WHILE watching Jurassic Park.
The Wellerman
Or The Land Before Time movies! ?
Doctor_Who
The first one is too damn sad and I feel like it would be a real mood killer.
The sequels…okay, I gave up after 2 myself as a kid, but I’ve seen a video about all of them, and I can’t believe Dina doesn’t have access to better dinosaur media than that.
Switchchris24
Dinotopia was a decent show, if not a little inaccurate
The Wellerman
I see here once again another opportunity to use the power of statistics!
What’s your favorite movie in The Land Before Time? ? ? ?
https://strawpoll.com/polls/40ZmdXDqRga
PirateTawnee
I clicked through to see if there was a “never watched any of them”, then raised both eyebrows at seeing there were TWELVE options? Wowza, that’s a lot.
(in less important news, you labelled VII twice, and “make between 1 and 3 choices” implies 2 is the only valid number of choices. where “make from 1 to 3 choices” works better here, but it’s REALLY not important, don’t worry about it)
The Wellerman
Thanks for the tips! ?
Yeah it’s quite the marathon if you watch all of them!
Be sure to have a snacks at the ready if you plan to do this!
Speaking of which PirateTawnee, I don’t believe you ever told me your favorite hotdog dipping sauces.
PirateTawnee
I’m not sure I’ve ever dipped a hotdog in anything. I have no idea when I last ate a hotdog, possibly in a year that started with a 2, but also possibly not. (I’m very dull, but bring on more exciting questions!)
Tan
Dina stated last page that she would follow Becky’s lead regarding secretiveness, and thus she is following Becky’s lead
Bratty Roger
↑This↑
True Survivor
Wow, even Amber’s sleepwear is blue and yellow. Not sure if that is great for her secret identity but you have to respect the dedication to the theme.
Raven
She’s like a power ranger. Always gotta wear the colors, even in civilian outifts.
cbwroses
If she doesn’t wear the proper colors, casual readers might confuse her with Night Guy.
DailyBrad
We’ve seen her wear pink panties in a strip, so she at least isn’t fully married to blue and yellow. Could be worse.
PirateTawnee
Slava Ukraini
Agemegos
Hear! Hear!
Amós Batista
Amazi-girl is just rhe reversed Amber.
powerpowerpow
Headcanon that blue and yellow just happen to be Amber’s favorite colours. AG just started off with whatever she had lying around, and if you’re a superhero, once you have a brand you gotta run with it.
John Campbell
Most of the characters have color schemes we tend to see them in. They don’t always wear them, but they have marked tendencies. The older Walkyverse characters in particular tended to have outfits that were basically part of their character designs, and the colors, at least, have carried through to the Dumbiverse. Like, Joyce isn’t always in dark orange, Dina isn’t always in drab green and khaki, Walky isn’t always in light blue and white, Jennifer doesn’t wear yellow nearly as much as Billie did… but they have definite preferences.
Both Amber and Amazi-Girl wear blue and yellow, but Amazi-Girl goes with bright saturated colors, and Amber uses more muted shades, and more blue than yellow. Blaine, incidentally, was the same blue as Amber, which I don’t think is coincidence.
The bar colors in the F-bomb chart aren’t random. Some of them aren’t the character’s preferred color — like Ruth’s is a dark green, but I went with her hair color instead, and others, particularly minor characters, I wasn’t able to work out their color scheme, so I went with something kind of arbitrary (like, Leslie’s bar matches her phone) — but most of them are.
Yotomoe
I did several pages today of the Billie/Walky thing so I compiled the first 6 pages.
https://imgur.com/a/Yxu5tYy
Let me know what you think of it so far. Any changes I should make before lining? Is it sexy? Do you think the characterization is good?
Sirksome
Top quality!
RassilonTDavros
Walky’s last line in the sixth strip is gold.
Only point I really have dialogue-wise is that Walky’s “of course not!” in the fourth strip seems a little… underplayed, for him? A little too formal-sounding, anyway. I’d probably go with something more like “Hell no!” Overall, this is looking really good.
Sirksome
Maybe he was taken off guard by the surprise onset of substantial sized booba in his face and defaulted to the proper queen’s English as a nervous quirk?
Yotomoe
Haha good point. That’s a bit more of a yotoism than a walkyism! Thanks!
Opus the Poet
Agreed that last line is pure Walky.
newlland(Henryvolt)
Now your really getting into the spirit swing strips. Can’t wait to see it outlined.
The Wellerman
Oh yes human!!! Don’t stop making this delicious stuff!!! ?
Spencer
I think starting it off with “this is a rebound” is actually a really good place to work with them in-character because it helps sell that they would have to be alone, depressed, and more than a little starved for affection, at the exact same time in the exact same circumstance (and on the exact same day, no less) before they’d even consider a casual fling.
Like they’d have to be desperate but then that’s how broken down they feel right now. I like it.
Yotomoe
I am so thankful to Sirksome for suggesting that this take place after Halloween.It gave me a lot of ideas on how to push the characterization forward in a way that seems at least…realistic for them.
Spencer
Yeah while I was reading it I was kinda thinking “is the dialogue too open from someone like Walky?” but that’s what made it work, Walky would have to be this burnt out for this to actually happen, so fwiw I think you’ve nailed the “how to do this with the canon personalities” part you’ve talked about.
Amós Batista
Is possible to show us where is this comment.
Your strips are so damn good, anyway.