Yes, but perhaps therapy should come first. She needs to be honest about possibly being depressed, and then we can determine what she needs. But you’re right
Speaking from experience, therapy is useless if you’re too depressed to even accept the help.
UrsulaDavina
You can’t obtain antidepressants without consulting a doctor or psychiatrist. Also, before considering marijuana as a treatment, be aware that if you’re under 26, it can potentially worsen depression or other underlying conditions. Always consult a doctor beforehand. Moreover, most generic SSRIs are available for under $10 without insurance in the US, which in some cases, can be cheaper than marijuana
UrsulaDavina
Before folks give me flak, let me explain why I use the age cutoff of 26. Research indicates that the brain continues to develop until around this age, particularly the areas involved in decision-making and impulse control. I know not everyone under 26 who uses marijuana will experience psychosis or worsened depression, but studies show that the risk is significantly higher. I’m just pointing out the need to understand and mitigate potential risks, especially for younger people. This doesn’t mean marijuana is inherently super dangerous, nor am I saying to never smoke marijuana. I’m simply highlighting that it’s not completely harmless. If you’re under 26 and considering using marijuana, I strongly advise discussing the potential risks with a healthcare professional first.
UrsulaDavina
In terms of using it to treat depression
UrsulaDavina
For recreational use, consider moderation.
not someone else
For the record that study showed that brains continue developing through age 25… and didn’t study any brains older than that.
We have plenty of evidence to believe they likely never stop developing.
UrsulaDavina
I’m aware that brains continue to develop beyond 25. However, current evidence suggests that the more harmful effects of marijuana become less significant around the ages of 25 to 26, which is why I use that as my reference point.
Thag Simmons
Does it suggest that because the study stopped sampling after 25? Because apparently that’s been a problem before
That and neurodivergence also means that correlation between brain development and age is really diverse.
The way I see it, given as NDs our brain chemistry is often very different from that of a neuroypical, it’s kinda like being high all the time, is it not?
The point of taking cannabis or antidepressents is to get a high that’s more enjoyable/productive to the user’s desire.
Of course, safety is priority as always, check with doctor and always start with lower doses.
Um, about the “brain developing until age 26” (or 25 as it’s often stated), if only I wish the complex truth held up to that notion tossed around in popular brain science (-_-)
I have no comment on the idea young people shouldn’t smoke weed, because I agree.
But a study that concluded “oh, the prefrontal cortex does not appear to have a point at which it is ‘done’ developing, our data only goes to 25” being reported as “brains aren’t fully developed until over 25” is, actually, very misleading and not a good thing for people to think.
This is not without impact. We should not be treating 24 year olds as children, and we *definitely* should not be treating 24 year olds as children in the eyes of the law. (Not American but our cultures overlap enough for this to be relevant to both.)
Smoking is but one way to do it, edibles are a lot easier to use to get a controlled dose in my experience.
Young adults under 25 may find sustainable value in using cannabis if they are neurodivergent or have chronic pain resulting from inflammation or otherwise. Hell, I wouldn’t have been able to walk again if it weren’t for the stuff.
What iffs me is that despite the fact that literally ANY drug can be detrimental if you don’t use it with proper safety and precautions, cannabis specifically still seems to get the stink eye from folk who’d never give it to antidepressants and the like because the US government didn’t go out of their way to ban them for totally Non-Racist-Non-Political™ reasons
lyzyrdwyzyrd
Hell, even if you’re over 26 you can experience psychosis if you have an underlying issue.
I’m bipolar and went psychotic at 36. I’d been using cannabis for 2 years at pretty high levels. I’m talking being work at home, vaping at least 6 times a day, every single day.
I’m bipolar.
I quit cannabis for over a year and relapsed due to grad school.
I’m medicated now so it probably won’t happen again, but I really should quit again.
But my usage is drastically different. I use 1-3 10mg gummies a day now.
Yeah I make it a point to use but one gummy a day or ideally even less. I take like a single 10 mg gummy and cut it into 8 pieces to take over a span of hours, I’ve found microdosing like this really effective in treating my conditions and limiting tolerance.
If you’re an absolute beginner at the stuff, i cannot emphasize enough how important it is to start with like a tenth of what yoir state considers a standard dose, also taking CBD along with THC for a more even high.
eh, whatever
Moreover, most generic SSRIs are available for under $10 without insurance in the US, which in some cases, can be cheaper than marijuana
what
the actual
fuck
lyzyrdwyzyrd
I’m not seeing what’s fucked up? SSRIs being affordable is a good thing.
UrsulaDavina
I’m not sure why you’re offended that generic prescription anti depressants are cheaper then marijuana even without a prescription.
Shyandya
Cannabis can seriously worsen or kick of depression/psychosis after 30 as well. Just stay away from the stuff, if this might be an issue.
Allen Alberti
I had a therapist who was extremely anti-meds and after a month and a half with me, she gave me the number for a psych and told me I needed to get on something because I was obviously a quart low on serotonin and there was nothing more she could do for me.
Isn’t she afraid you’re not allowed to be president if you ever had therapy? Now that she doesn’t want to be president she might consider therapy, but the waitlists aren’t fun.
Also, considering her internalized ableism stemming from her desire to be as *presidential* as she could possibly be, I doubt she would risk telling them anything that could leave a potential paper trail.
I mean – after the mass kidnapping – they really all should be in therapy. And IU is reported to have a decent student counseling program… but then we wouldn’t have soap opera moments like this
Dorothy’s looking like she’s about to faceplant in the “jugs” (take off your glasses first), and have a good cry. And Joe has enough arms to hug them all.
I mean this is as romantic a statement as I have ever seen from Joyce. She’s not even actively trying to woo Dorothy, she just loves her and knows her. And that’s why it’s such a romantic sounding declaration imo.
**passionate hallway threesome occurs**
**Sal bursts from the room.**
Sal: “There! Got dicked before Joyce – wait, what the fuck? There’s no way ah’m lettin Joyce be in a threeway afore me!”
Danny: “I mean, it looks like she already is.”
Sal: “Quick! Who do you know that ya’d like ta have a threeway with?”
Danny: “Well….”
So strip away my conscience
Peel away my values
Rip off my compassion with your teeth
Pound away my morals
Spank off all my kindness, ooh!
Expose the dormant bongo that lies beneath
Anyway, good for Dorothy in having these talks. Much better than letting things spin around inside your head, pulling you down, and pretending everything is ok while you stop going to class.
I had already said it before, but the others helped Dorothy to be honest with herself and also to be honest with Joyce.
Because it seems that her biggest fear was Joyce’s reaction to the decision she made.
And let’s be honest, if Dorothy had continued with the enormous pressure in her head, she might have responded to Joyce in a way she might have regretted.
Dorothy: Would you love me if I was a SANDWORM?? A giant sandworm of ARRAKIS?! That I had knowingly joined myself to to follow the GOLDEN PATH as a TYRANT?!??!
Joyce: Yes! Even if it would be weird!
Joe: *taking notes* So Dorothy is the Kwisatz Haderach, and—
That’s an amazingly articulate and on point answer, for being put on the spot like that, first thing in the morning. In the hallway, in her underwear. Minutes after making second base for the first time ever in her life.
Thinking about it, there’s always been a certain duality of Joyce’s character, where she may repress a lot of her emotions, but the emotions she DOESN’T repress she can articulate EXTREMELY WELL, even while under immense stress. Right at this moment, she could probably answer Dorothy’s question clearly and authentically using nothing but carefully memorized Bible verses. If she wanted to, which she obviously doesn’t, for several reasons. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/neighbor-2/
177 thoughts on “Your details”
NGPZ
Awe. ?
*plays “Hanezeve Caradhina” from Made in Abyss OST on hacked muzak*
shadowcell
it’s, like, the rain or something
Callid13
The storm we all have to endure…
IntangibleMatter
Someone get my girl some antidepressants
And not booze, that’s literally the opposite.
UrsulaDavina
Yes, but perhaps therapy should come first. She needs to be honest about possibly being depressed, and then we can determine what she needs. But you’re right
NGPZ
some people need both medication and therapy, or find medicine that much more effective
IntangibleMatter
Speaking from experience, therapy is useless if you’re too depressed to even accept the help.
UrsulaDavina
You can’t obtain antidepressants without consulting a doctor or psychiatrist. Also, before considering marijuana as a treatment, be aware that if you’re under 26, it can potentially worsen depression or other underlying conditions. Always consult a doctor beforehand. Moreover, most generic SSRIs are available for under $10 without insurance in the US, which in some cases, can be cheaper than marijuana
UrsulaDavina
Before folks give me flak, let me explain why I use the age cutoff of 26. Research indicates that the brain continues to develop until around this age, particularly the areas involved in decision-making and impulse control. I know not everyone under 26 who uses marijuana will experience psychosis or worsened depression, but studies show that the risk is significantly higher. I’m just pointing out the need to understand and mitigate potential risks, especially for younger people. This doesn’t mean marijuana is inherently super dangerous, nor am I saying to never smoke marijuana. I’m simply highlighting that it’s not completely harmless. If you’re under 26 and considering using marijuana, I strongly advise discussing the potential risks with a healthcare professional first.
UrsulaDavina
In terms of using it to treat depression
UrsulaDavina
For recreational use, consider moderation.
not someone else
For the record that study showed that brains continue developing through age 25… and didn’t study any brains older than that.
We have plenty of evidence to believe they likely never stop developing.
UrsulaDavina
I’m aware that brains continue to develop beyond 25. However, current evidence suggests that the more harmful effects of marijuana become less significant around the ages of 25 to 26, which is why I use that as my reference point.
Thag Simmons
Does it suggest that because the study stopped sampling after 25? Because apparently that’s been a problem before
NGPZ
That and neurodivergence also means that correlation between brain development and age is really diverse.
The way I see it, given as NDs our brain chemistry is often very different from that of a neuroypical, it’s kinda like being high all the time, is it not?
The point of taking cannabis or antidepressents is to get a high that’s more enjoyable/productive to the user’s desire.
Of course, safety is priority as always, check with doctor and always start with lower doses.
Agricultural Porcupine
“”25 years old. Not great, not terrible.”
NGPZ
Um, about the “brain developing until age 26” (or 25 as it’s often stated), if only I wish the complex truth held up to that notion tossed around in popular brain science (-_-)
https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/brain-development-25-year-old-mature-myth.html
Hrodvitnir
I have no comment on the idea young people shouldn’t smoke weed, because I agree.
But a study that concluded “oh, the prefrontal cortex does not appear to have a point at which it is ‘done’ developing, our data only goes to 25” being reported as “brains aren’t fully developed until over 25” is, actually, very misleading and not a good thing for people to think.
This is not without impact. We should not be treating 24 year olds as children, and we *definitely* should not be treating 24 year olds as children in the eyes of the law. (Not American but our cultures overlap enough for this to be relevant to both.)
NGPZ
Smoking is but one way to do it, edibles are a lot easier to use to get a controlled dose in my experience.
Young adults under 25 may find sustainable value in using cannabis if they are neurodivergent or have chronic pain resulting from inflammation or otherwise. Hell, I wouldn’t have been able to walk again if it weren’t for the stuff.
What iffs me is that despite the fact that literally ANY drug can be detrimental if you don’t use it with proper safety and precautions, cannabis specifically still seems to get the stink eye from folk who’d never give it to antidepressants and the like because the US government didn’t go out of their way to ban them for totally Non-Racist-Non-Political™ reasons
lyzyrdwyzyrd
Hell, even if you’re over 26 you can experience psychosis if you have an underlying issue.
I’m bipolar and went psychotic at 36. I’d been using cannabis for 2 years at pretty high levels. I’m talking being work at home, vaping at least 6 times a day, every single day.
I’m bipolar.
I quit cannabis for over a year and relapsed due to grad school.
I’m medicated now so it probably won’t happen again, but I really should quit again.
But my usage is drastically different. I use 1-3 10mg gummies a day now.
NGPZ
Yeah I make it a point to use but one gummy a day or ideally even less. I take like a single 10 mg gummy and cut it into 8 pieces to take over a span of hours, I’ve found microdosing like this really effective in treating my conditions and limiting tolerance.
If you’re an absolute beginner at the stuff, i cannot emphasize enough how important it is to start with like a tenth of what yoir state considers a standard dose, also taking CBD along with THC for a more even high.
eh, whatever
what
the actual
fuck
lyzyrdwyzyrd
I’m not seeing what’s fucked up? SSRIs being affordable is a good thing.
UrsulaDavina
I’m not sure why you’re offended that generic prescription anti depressants are cheaper then marijuana even without a prescription.
Shyandya
Cannabis can seriously worsen or kick of depression/psychosis after 30 as well. Just stay away from the stuff, if this might be an issue.
Allen Alberti
I had a therapist who was extremely anti-meds and after a month and a half with me, she gave me the number for a psych and told me I needed to get on something because I was obviously a quart low on serotonin and there was nothing more she could do for me.
Thag Simmons
Dorothy is in therapy, if I recall correctly
Uly
Isn’t she afraid you’re not allowed to be president if you ever had therapy? Now that she doesn’t want to be president she might consider therapy, but the waitlists aren’t fun.
NGPZ
They’re technically a councilor, not a therapist.
Also, considering her internalized ableism stemming from her desire to be as *presidential* as she could possibly be, I doubt she would risk telling them anything that could leave a potential paper trail.
Tan
She is in therapy. She’s just leaving stuff out. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2023/comic/book-13/03-joementum/inwithyou/
Tan
Here in fact is her visiting her therapist all the way back in October (the trauma referenced here was the gutting-Ryan incident, this was before the OTHER traumas): https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/04-the-do-list/shrink/
Uly
Thanks!
Sajuuk-Khar
In therapy that sucks
lyzyrdwyzyrd
Because by her own admission she is not fully participating.
Needfuldoer
She’s lying (by omission) to her therapist to spare her future self’s image.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/inwithyou/
Woof McGee
I mean – after the mass kidnapping – they really all should be in therapy. And IU is reported to have a decent student counseling program… but then we wouldn’t have soap opera moments like this
Nono
Hoisted by her own petard
jeffepp
Just threesome already! Right here in the hall!
jeffepp
Dorothy’s looking like she’s about to faceplant in the “jugs” (take off your glasses first), and have a good cry. And Joe has enough arms to hug them all.
Amara
I mean this is as romantic a statement as I have ever seen from Joyce. She’s not even actively trying to woo Dorothy, she just loves her and knows her. And that’s why it’s such a romantic sounding declaration imo.
Jamie
Yup: https://www.dumbingofage.com/sharedmoment/
Sajuuk-Khar
I truly wish!!
Sajuuk-Khar
(then again, through my Literature, I’m sure everyone knows this lmao)
Hoboturtle
Honestly it would be the funniest thing to do right after being kicked out of the room by Sal
Rose by Any Other Name
**passionate hallway threesome occurs**
**Sal bursts from the room.**
Sal: “There! Got dicked before Joyce – wait, what the fuck? There’s no way ah’m lettin Joyce be in a threeway afore me!”
Danny: “I mean, it looks like she already is.”
Sal: “Quick! Who do you know that ya’d like ta have a threeway with?”
Danny: “Well….”
Sajuuk-Khar
…oh no.
Oh no I’m gonna end up writing a sequel.
thejeff
Oh yes!
RassilonTDavros
Would you love me if I was a Wormothy?
True Survivor
Awww.
Nono
So strip away my conscience
Peel away my values
Rip off my compassion with your teeth
Pound away my morals
Spank off all my kindness, ooh!
Expose the dormant bongo that lies beneath
Uly
So who exactly is Nathanial in this scenario?
Jo_cubstar
Aww joyce
poofdepoof
Good friendshipping, Joyce!!
Vukodlak
I think the truth is, she still really really wants Walky to plow her.
staszu13
Hugs all around, then?
Nathan
Poor Joe really did not sign up to be part of this existential crisis.
Kyrik Michalowski
Oh jeez, Dorothy is not in a good headspace right now; she looks defeated.
I’d come up with something more insightful but my headache is trying to kill me.
Jamie
She’s in the lashing-out stage of depression.
Which, for me, lasted about a decade, so.
Good luck, Dorothy.
Suet
“Despite everything, you’re still Dorothy” “Dang it you still love me”
(hmm… blank… unlike his TCAF booth, I hope)
Icalasari
* Despite everything, it’s still
youDorothy.Needfuldoer
“Despite everything, you’re still Dorothy.”
“AM I?!”
Vanessa
Good point. What if Joyce stripped away everything that used to define her? She has changed quite a bit and yet Dorothy is still her friend.
Doctor_Who
As long as she still doesn’t like foods touching, she’s still Joyce.
She loses that, her whole identity unravels.
Vanessa
Anyway, good for Dorothy in having these talks. Much better than letting things spin around inside your head, pulling you down, and pretending everything is ok while you stop going to class.
Coatl
I had already said it before, but the others helped Dorothy to be honest with herself and also to be honest with Joyce.
Because it seems that her biggest fear was Joyce’s reaction to the decision she made.
And let’s be honest, if Dorothy had continued with the enormous pressure in her head, she might have responded to Joyce in a way she might have regretted.
Charles Phipps
“I actually really love lying!”
Sajuuk-Khar
Dorothy: Would you love me if I was a SANDWORM?? A giant sandworm of ARRAKIS?! That I had knowingly joined myself to to follow the GOLDEN PATH as a TYRANT?!??!
Joyce: Yes! Even if it would be weird!
Joe: *taking notes* So Dorothy is the Kwisatz Haderach, and—
John Campbell
But Joyce is the one with the blue eyes.
lyzyrdwyzyrd
The Kwisatz Hadersch isn’t the worm guy though! His son is!
Sajuuk-Khar
call me Kevin J Anderson how I be mixing my Dune references
Hazel
That’s an amazingly articulate and on point answer, for being put on the spot like that, first thing in the morning. In the hallway, in her underwear. Minutes after making second base for the first time ever in her life.
Huh. Joyce is having a morning.
wwwhhattt
Probably whole a bit hungover
Mturtle7
Thinking about it, there’s always been a certain duality of Joyce’s character, where she may repress a lot of her emotions, but the emotions she DOESN’T repress she can articulate EXTREMELY WELL, even while under immense stress. Right at this moment, she could probably answer Dorothy’s question clearly and authentically using nothing but carefully memorized Bible verses. If she wanted to, which she obviously doesn’t, for several reasons.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/neighbor-2/
MK15