I can’t decide what’s best about it!
It’s just a piece of paper, but Robin thought it was necessary to use four nails to hold it up. Half the nails are bent so she put some effort into hanging it, but not too much because it’s crooked.
It’s just, why mock him over something he didn’t say when you could be mocking him over things he did say?
void
Just a guess. It could be because you can do both.
Pablo360
I personally don’t see the comedy in making fun of things Trump didn’t actually do is all.
Valerie
Pablo360: For me it’s because he sounds like he’s saying “bigly.” For someone who has “all the best words,” he’s pitiful at pronouncing them. We’re making fun of his lack of language skills. Which would be a dickish thing to do in any other situation, but this dude is convinced that he’s this amazing speaker.
But North Carolina once tried to secede over a tariff thing in his time and he stopped it so it totally counts. Nevermind that a minor economic dispute is not nearly the same thing as slavery and if Jackson were in a position to prevent the south from seceding over that it would have been by being a slave-owning president, not exactly something to be proud of or want to model oneself after.
In all seriousness, I think Trump knows exactly what he’s doing with things like this. It’s just like Bowling Green. There’s some tiny obscure twisted grain of truth that there’s no way people will even understand what he means at first, but it’s something his supporters can point to and say that the lying media is misrepresenting him.
If telling a girl who’s just reminded you about her traumatic kidnapping and homelessness to play some Candy Crush doesn’t confirm Robin is and always has been fucking despicable then I don’t know what it’d take to convince the comments section she’s not actually “connecting” here with Becky at all.
‘She’s being a fucking horrible unconscionable and shitty hurtful person right now but eventually she maybe could concede that Becky is a person who deserves basic fucking decency’
At long last I’ve decided you may in fact be a human being, now where’s my trophy?
Clif
I choose to believe it’s a Candy Crush trophy.
Kris
If we wish really hard and are lucky enough she made be alienated enough by her own cognitive dissonace to leave Leslie’s apartment just because Becky’s there and is clearly starting to make her uncomfortable. It would be a move for her own self preservation.
Minder
‘If we pretend really hard we can go back three months and make the rest of the week’s strips about Robin being inconvenienced enough by guilt to do the absolute least to maybe not be terrorizing Leslie personally in addition to voting atrocities, because then Robin won’t have to feel guilt for doing bad things’
Kris
It may be all we can hope for. Or y’know this is the new reality. Robin lives at Leslie’s house. Becky’s gonna be homeless forever. Tomorrow we’ll cut to what Joe’s doing!
Minder
‘It may be Robin gets everything she wants and that’s the only possibility I can imagine for the future of this storyline without Robin slowly and painfully starting to not be a horrible person while others suffer it out’
TemporalShrew
Like. I get what you’re saying – and hell, I agree that Robin is and has been trash on all counts – but maybe being super condescending and “translating” the comments of those whom you perceive as disagreeing with you is not the best way to make your case? Because that’s all this comes across to me as.
I get that people’s denials and waffling about on her shittiness is incredibly irritating, but every time I see a comment of yours, it seems to escalate in passive-aggression.
Minder
I am being condescending on purpose, I do not care if people do not take my interpretations of their comments well, I am not trying to be passive at all so I guess I need to ramp it up
foamy
Your persuasive skills are positively Trumpian.
Minder
Trump doesn’t back up his rhetoric with evidence and detailed reasoning upon request.
foamy
Indeed.
Judas Peckerwood
Have you considered standing on a street corner and howling? I’ve found that it’s a much better way of getting people to pay attention to me, though your mileage may vary.
Minder
Trump also doesn’t admit when other people bring up points that dent holes in his arguments. Trump isn’t willing to change his mind or consider he could be when someone else makes valid points.
I am not a nice person but I am 100% open to being proven wrong if someone else’s counterpoint is more accurate. That’s how we get better. I have convinced and been convinced more times on this forum than I can count and I haven’t always been nice or even right about it.
What I’m saying is, I am not Trumpian in that I care more about being right than I am willing to face reality, and considering how much I like being right this isn’t a small point of difference.
Minder
@Judas Peckerwood *shrug* I mean, I’m fine with what I have. You can go back and read my comments from yesterday or any other day I’ve been here if you want to know how I go about arguing things and how it’s been turning out.
begbert2
You’re open to counterargument? Really? Okay then:
Robin already recognizes that Becky has been through a lot and ‘deserves basic fucking decency’. She’s recognized that that since Joyce mentioning her back in class made her facade crack. What she’s not doing is *admitting it*, and the reason she’s not doing that is because she believes that Leslie is using Becky as a ‘people prop’ (to make a problem seem more pressing or widespread than it actually is by providing a single possibly non-representative example). And as it happens she’s completely right – that’s exactly what Leslie is doing. Well, that and offering Becky a place to stay – but the reason Leslie introduced Becky to Robin was, in fact, people propping.
Minder
@begbert2 Okay, sure. My stance is that it wouldn’t matter to me even if Robin was doing any of this for reasons based on good principles, or if she is as you’re arguing doing this for reasons that have some grounding in her recognition of Becky as a person.
Sure. Whatever. Robin’s not incapable of showing basic fucking decency. Character growth. Cool. That’s not redemption. I may hate Robin past the point where she shows that she’s capable of caring about Becky sincerely or I may not, but I won’t stop thinking she’s a bad person until she disavows and seeks to spend the rest of her life doing whatever she can to mitigate the reality of what career has done to people (as in, hundreds of thousands of people) up to and including killing them because she didn’t want to care when she was voting on it.
trlkly
I know the condescension is intentional. That’s why I’m asking you to stop. If you were just making an argument and it came off that way, I don’t care.
But rewriting what someone says in order to mock them is just not something I support. I’ve had it done to me so many, many times. And even when it’s an accident, it makes you feel horrible. And it definitely doesn’t make me want to believe the person actually has a decent argument.
To be honest, I agree with you about Robin being horrible and that too many people seem to want to excuse her bad behavior, as they enjoy seeing her character. It’s not unlike the people who liked Trump’s anger and so made excuses for him. It sucks.
But I don’t see how what you’re doing helps. Plus, well, it affects not just the person you are responding to. Seeing this pattern I see used against me all the time makes me kinda angry, too.
I totally get the frustration. I mean, read my posts on the Roz stuff. But please don’t go that far. Make arguments, sure. Express anger. But don’t make up shit people didn’t say in order to mock them or their opinions. Or dog people by doing it over and over to what they say.
Please?
Minder
@trlkly Okay. This is all true stuff I did not stop and think out earlier when I came in having a chip on my shoulder and it was shitty and I’m sorry. I’m not going to mock people anymore. I’m sorry for mocking them and hurting them and you. Ask me again (or don’t ask, just straight-up say it) if I do it again
thejeff
Counter-counterargument: While that is what Leslie is doing, Robin’s denying it not because she recognizes the tactic, but because she’s in deep, deep denial. The tactic is just an excuse. The real problem is that if she admits it, she’s going to have to change everything. Lose the election, even more certainly, but she’s also going to have to admit that she’s been backing something that seriously hurts people. That’s a really hard thing to admit to yourself. It’s a major worldview change. Never easy to do.
I do think she’s going to get there, but not yet. Becky may make a few cracks in the facade. Joining those Leslie’s already made.
I am not a fan of the shipping but I don’t see this action as making Robin despicable. She looks really uncomfortable in panel three, then relinquishes her phone with a lighthearted (again, covering up the discomfort) comment. And I’m not saying that’s great or anything, but yeah a lot of people are super uncomfortable interacting with people who are less well-off than them, let alone ones involved in a big family abuse and police involved thing. It just seems kind of average person average reaction to me.
(of course, her various political views are still despicable even/especially if they’re ones she only really has for the sake of holding her position)
‘Sure, she just flat-out told a girl who has no home and was held at gunpoint by her father that there was no chance this story would earn her any sympathy, but some people are uncomfortable around others that don’t have a goddamn huge pile of money and privilege handy like themselves so they make horrible jokes at their expense’
Ansel
Maybe you have better experiences with people than I do, to think that this is not average?
Ansel
I mean, as a young, trans, gay man, I know I’ve undoubtedly got some internalized stuff going on, but this just seems to boil down to how people act. Robin is despicable as a person, but this particular action just seems normal, if nonetheless lousy.
Minder
I feel like outright telling someone you refuse to care about them because they’re operating on some kind of agenda is………beyond lousy, because of who exactly Robin’s talking to and Robin being aware of what Becky’s very very immediate predicament when Robin says these things.
Ansel
I guess what I mean is that it doesn’t seem malicious or anything, and I get that people can be completely awful without being malicious, but in this case it feels more like badly handling a situation than harming someone.
Minder
I don’t think it’s malicious either! But it was horrible. Robin not worrying about the impact of her words is a willful thing that she does even when she could do, not that. Every time.
Emily
Robin is almost never malicious because that would require her to take other people’s feelings into consideration in any way whatsoever. She is viciously self-centered and simply does not care how her actions affect the people around her for the worse or for the better. It’s all about Robin all the time.
Politics is a very cynical game. Many politicians have been taught this exact thing- to avoid being tricked into caring about someone else’s agenda.
Pablo360
Politics isn’t a game and every time it is referred to as such we sink a tiny bit closer to oblivion.
thejeff
Honestly, even without the game and cynicism, it’s kind of a requirement. You can’t legislate based on every sad story that someone brings to you. Even on all the true ones.
Nearly anything politicians do can and probably will hurt someone. Even if it’s a good thing over all.
Minder
@thejeff Please repeat and confirm / deny my reading and accuracy of your statement being a roundabout but implied way of saying you think all political actions having consequences that’ll “probably hurt someone” means: that there is not one side of the current party system, one party people may join, that’s primary objective has made itself to maintain the most horrible status quos for the least-worthy reasons that affecting the ability of millions and millions of people to fucking live.
If your meaning of “over all” is dismissive like I think it is and used so very casually, then I am upset you believe that is okay. “Over all” is the difference between someone getting slighted, someone getting hurt, entire sections of the global population getting hurt, or how long that has to go on and what or how comparative the cost is.
thejeff
No. That’s more like: These environmental regulations will improve millions of people’s lives (and save some of them) and even generally improve the economy, but I’ve got this one guy in my office who’s losing his job because of them and that’s going to be really hard on him.
It’s more an “anecdotes aren’t data” argument. Anecdotes can help persuade (because humans work like that), but you need to look at the overall consequences, not just the people with tragic stories that get brought into your office.
Minder
The experiences being not uncommon or even rampant doesn’t mitigate in any way whether those experiences are right are wrong or should happen to people.
Becky is sitting on Robin’s couch. I wonder if Robin will have to sit her down and clarify that, no, in fact she can’t have the couch and she should go find somewhere else to be homeless.
Kris
The fact that you stated that’s “Robin’s” couch means this situation has gone to far.
Well it’s certainly not Leslie’s couch anymore. That would allow Leslie to determine who slept in it. Robin is operating under Prince John rules where the rich are allowed to steal from the poor to give to themselves. Aka the rules of her party.
522 thoughts on “Digital age”
Ana Chronistic
still doing better than Trump’s handiwork
I mean, COMPLETE SENTENCES
Kris
She also hasn’t said the words “great” or “tremendous”.
DarkoNeko
The pinned “office” sign on the background tho XD
DarkoNeko
(yes, I hadn’t noticed eysterday)
Needfuldoer
I can’t decide what’s best about it!
It’s just a piece of paper, but Robin thought it was necessary to use four nails to hold it up. Half the nails are bent so she put some effort into hanging it, but not too much because it’s crooked.
Dragon_Nataku
Makes me wonder if she nailed the sign to the lamp too and perhaps that’s what started the electrical fire that Leslie doesn’t know about
Solarn
Or “bigly”.
Pablo360
Trump didn’t actually say that though, he really did say big league, why do people keep bringing that uo
NelC
Because he scarcely bothers to enunciate the second G, making it sound like “bigly”. And because it probably annoys him whenever he reads about it.
Pablo360
It’s just, why mock him over something he didn’t say when you could be mocking him over things he did say?
void
Just a guess. It could be because you can do both.
Pablo360
I personally don’t see the comedy in making fun of things Trump didn’t actually do is all.
Valerie
Pablo360: For me it’s because he sounds like he’s saying “bigly.” For someone who has “all the best words,” he’s pitiful at pronouncing them. We’re making fun of his lack of language skills. Which would be a dickish thing to do in any other situation, but this dude is convinced that he’s this amazing speaker.
Beef
I wonder if she knows of President Jackson’s (lack of) connection to the civil war
Random832
But North Carolina once tried to secede over a tariff thing in his time and he stopped it so it totally counts. Nevermind that a minor economic dispute is not nearly the same thing as slavery and if Jackson were in a position to prevent the south from seceding over that it would have been by being a slave-owning president, not exactly something to be proud of or want to model oneself after.
In all seriousness, I think Trump knows exactly what he’s doing with things like this. It’s just like Bowling Green. There’s some tiny obscure twisted grain of truth that there’s no way people will even understand what he means at first, but it’s something his supporters can point to and say that the lying media is misrepresenting him.
This is how post-truth politics works.
Chris
And nothing about how “great she’s doing” and how “idiotic” Obama is!
Reltzik
One word summary of Trump’s communication style:
SAD!
Haven
It IS pretty low energy.
Schol-R-LEA
Yeah, but still – SAD!
Emperor Daniel
If a cow says moo alone, does it make a sound?
foamy
For reference, cows make more of a HMMMMMMMRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOO sound.
Proxiehunter
Mu.
Mr Ak
*slow clap building to rapturous applause*
John
With one hand, I presume.
Chris
Well, yeah. Gotta type with the other
N0083rP00F
I didn’t think they could applaud, what with the short forelimbs and those claws.
BP
You’re now among my favorites.
Arian
LOL!
Schol-R-LEA
I thought that was the Chao.
zathael
Shazoooo!
Minder
If telling a girl who’s just reminded you about her traumatic kidnapping and homelessness to play some Candy Crush doesn’t confirm Robin is and always has been fucking despicable then I don’t know what it’d take to convince the comments section she’s not actually “connecting” here with Becky at all.
Kris
She’s trying really hard to dismiss Becky’s situation but it’s seems like she might crack soon.
Minder
‘She’s being a fucking horrible unconscionable and shitty hurtful person right now but eventually she maybe could concede that Becky is a person who deserves basic fucking decency’
Cerberus
At long last I’ve decided you may in fact be a human being, now where’s my trophy?
Clif
I choose to believe it’s a Candy Crush trophy.
Kris
If we wish really hard and are lucky enough she made be alienated enough by her own cognitive dissonace to leave Leslie’s apartment just because Becky’s there and is clearly starting to make her uncomfortable. It would be a move for her own self preservation.
Minder
‘If we pretend really hard we can go back three months and make the rest of the week’s strips about Robin being inconvenienced enough by guilt to do the absolute least to maybe not be terrorizing Leslie personally in addition to voting atrocities, because then Robin won’t have to feel guilt for doing bad things’
Kris
It may be all we can hope for. Or y’know this is the new reality. Robin lives at Leslie’s house. Becky’s gonna be homeless forever. Tomorrow we’ll cut to what Joe’s doing!
Minder
‘It may be Robin gets everything she wants and that’s the only possibility I can imagine for the future of this storyline without Robin slowly and painfully starting to not be a horrible person while others suffer it out’
TemporalShrew
Like. I get what you’re saying – and hell, I agree that Robin is and has been trash on all counts – but maybe being super condescending and “translating” the comments of those whom you perceive as disagreeing with you is not the best way to make your case? Because that’s all this comes across to me as.
I get that people’s denials and waffling about on her shittiness is incredibly irritating, but every time I see a comment of yours, it seems to escalate in passive-aggression.
Minder
I am being condescending on purpose, I do not care if people do not take my interpretations of their comments well, I am not trying to be passive at all so I guess I need to ramp it up
foamy
Your persuasive skills are positively Trumpian.
Minder
Trump doesn’t back up his rhetoric with evidence and detailed reasoning upon request.
foamy
Indeed.
Judas Peckerwood
Have you considered standing on a street corner and howling? I’ve found that it’s a much better way of getting people to pay attention to me, though your mileage may vary.
Minder
Trump also doesn’t admit when other people bring up points that dent holes in his arguments. Trump isn’t willing to change his mind or consider he could be when someone else makes valid points.
I am not a nice person but I am 100% open to being proven wrong if someone else’s counterpoint is more accurate. That’s how we get better. I have convinced and been convinced more times on this forum than I can count and I haven’t always been nice or even right about it.
What I’m saying is, I am not Trumpian in that I care more about being right than I am willing to face reality, and considering how much I like being right this isn’t a small point of difference.
Minder
@Judas Peckerwood *shrug* I mean, I’m fine with what I have. You can go back and read my comments from yesterday or any other day I’ve been here if you want to know how I go about arguing things and how it’s been turning out.
begbert2
You’re open to counterargument? Really? Okay then:
Robin already recognizes that Becky has been through a lot and ‘deserves basic fucking decency’. She’s recognized that that since Joyce mentioning her back in class made her facade crack. What she’s not doing is *admitting it*, and the reason she’s not doing that is because she believes that Leslie is using Becky as a ‘people prop’ (to make a problem seem more pressing or widespread than it actually is by providing a single possibly non-representative example). And as it happens she’s completely right – that’s exactly what Leslie is doing. Well, that and offering Becky a place to stay – but the reason Leslie introduced Becky to Robin was, in fact, people propping.
Minder
@begbert2 Okay, sure. My stance is that it wouldn’t matter to me even if Robin was doing any of this for reasons based on good principles, or if she is as you’re arguing doing this for reasons that have some grounding in her recognition of Becky as a person.
Sure. Whatever. Robin’s not incapable of showing basic fucking decency. Character growth. Cool. That’s not redemption. I may hate Robin past the point where she shows that she’s capable of caring about Becky sincerely or I may not, but I won’t stop thinking she’s a bad person until she disavows and seeks to spend the rest of her life doing whatever she can to mitigate the reality of what career has done to people (as in, hundreds of thousands of people) up to and including killing them because she didn’t want to care when she was voting on it.
trlkly
I know the condescension is intentional. That’s why I’m asking you to stop. If you were just making an argument and it came off that way, I don’t care.
But rewriting what someone says in order to mock them is just not something I support. I’ve had it done to me so many, many times. And even when it’s an accident, it makes you feel horrible. And it definitely doesn’t make me want to believe the person actually has a decent argument.
To be honest, I agree with you about Robin being horrible and that too many people seem to want to excuse her bad behavior, as they enjoy seeing her character. It’s not unlike the people who liked Trump’s anger and so made excuses for him. It sucks.
But I don’t see how what you’re doing helps. Plus, well, it affects not just the person you are responding to. Seeing this pattern I see used against me all the time makes me kinda angry, too.
I totally get the frustration. I mean, read my posts on the Roz stuff. But please don’t go that far. Make arguments, sure. Express anger. But don’t make up shit people didn’t say in order to mock them or their opinions. Or dog people by doing it over and over to what they say.
Please?
Minder
@trlkly Okay. This is all true stuff I did not stop and think out earlier when I came in having a chip on my shoulder and it was shitty and I’m sorry. I’m not going to mock people anymore. I’m sorry for mocking them and hurting them and you. Ask me again (or don’t ask, just straight-up say it) if I do it again
thejeff
Counter-counterargument: While that is what Leslie is doing, Robin’s denying it not because she recognizes the tactic, but because she’s in deep, deep denial. The tactic is just an excuse. The real problem is that if she admits it, she’s going to have to change everything. Lose the election, even more certainly, but she’s also going to have to admit that she’s been backing something that seriously hurts people. That’s a really hard thing to admit to yourself. It’s a major worldview change. Never easy to do.
I do think she’s going to get there, but not yet. Becky may make a few cracks in the facade. Joining those Leslie’s already made.
Schol-R-LEA
Isn’t that what Kris said?
C.T Phipps
Yes, Robin, it’s all about you. Her pitiful life story is only there to seduce you.
Minder
Like I don’t understand how on Earth people are not understanding that this matters
C.T Phipps
It’s as Carla says, Robin’s biggest problem with Becky is she exists.
Ansel
I am not a fan of the shipping but I don’t see this action as making Robin despicable. She looks really uncomfortable in panel three, then relinquishes her phone with a lighthearted (again, covering up the discomfort) comment. And I’m not saying that’s great or anything, but yeah a lot of people are super uncomfortable interacting with people who are less well-off than them, let alone ones involved in a big family abuse and police involved thing. It just seems kind of average person average reaction to me.
(of course, her various political views are still despicable even/especially if they’re ones she only really has for the sake of holding her position)
Minder
‘Sure, she just flat-out told a girl who has no home and was held at gunpoint by her father that there was no chance this story would earn her any sympathy, but some people are uncomfortable around others that don’t have a goddamn huge pile of money and privilege handy like themselves so they make horrible jokes at their expense’
Ansel
Maybe you have better experiences with people than I do, to think that this is not average?
Ansel
I mean, as a young, trans, gay man, I know I’ve undoubtedly got some internalized stuff going on, but this just seems to boil down to how people act. Robin is despicable as a person, but this particular action just seems normal, if nonetheless lousy.
Minder
I feel like outright telling someone you refuse to care about them because they’re operating on some kind of agenda is………beyond lousy, because of who exactly Robin’s talking to and Robin being aware of what Becky’s very very immediate predicament when Robin says these things.
Ansel
I guess what I mean is that it doesn’t seem malicious or anything, and I get that people can be completely awful without being malicious, but in this case it feels more like badly handling a situation than harming someone.
Minder
I don’t think it’s malicious either! But it was horrible. Robin not worrying about the impact of her words is a willful thing that she does even when she could do, not that. Every time.
Emily
Robin is almost never malicious because that would require her to take other people’s feelings into consideration in any way whatsoever. She is viciously self-centered and simply does not care how her actions affect the people around her for the worse or for the better. It’s all about Robin all the time.
Historyman68
Politics is a very cynical game. Many politicians have been taught this exact thing- to avoid being tricked into caring about someone else’s agenda.
Pablo360
Politics isn’t a game and every time it is referred to as such we sink a tiny bit closer to oblivion.
thejeff
Honestly, even without the game and cynicism, it’s kind of a requirement. You can’t legislate based on every sad story that someone brings to you. Even on all the true ones.
Nearly anything politicians do can and probably will hurt someone. Even if it’s a good thing over all.
Minder
@thejeff Please repeat and confirm / deny my reading and accuracy of your statement being a roundabout but implied way of saying you think all political actions having consequences that’ll “probably hurt someone” means: that there is not one side of the current party system, one party people may join, that’s primary objective has made itself to maintain the most horrible status quos for the least-worthy reasons that affecting the ability of millions and millions of people to fucking live.
If your meaning of “over all” is dismissive like I think it is and used so very casually, then I am upset you believe that is okay. “Over all” is the difference between someone getting slighted, someone getting hurt, entire sections of the global population getting hurt, or how long that has to go on and what or how comparative the cost is.
thejeff
No. That’s more like: These environmental regulations will improve millions of people’s lives (and save some of them) and even generally improve the economy, but I’ve got this one guy in my office who’s losing his job because of them and that’s going to be really hard on him.
It’s more an “anecdotes aren’t data” argument. Anecdotes can help persuade (because humans work like that), but you need to look at the overall consequences, not just the people with tragic stories that get brought into your office.
Minder
The experiences being not uncommon or even rampant doesn’t mitigate in any way whether those experiences are right are wrong or should happen to people.
fillerusername
Pretty sure she handed her phone to Becky to distract Becky from annoyingly reminding her she’s a person.
C.T Phipps
Becky is sitting on Robin’s couch. I wonder if Robin will have to sit her down and clarify that, no, in fact she can’t have the couch and she should go find somewhere else to be homeless.
Kris
The fact that you stated that’s “Robin’s” couch means this situation has gone to far.
C.T Phipps
Well it’s certainly not Leslie’s couch anymore. That would allow Leslie to determine who slept in it. Robin is operating under Prince John rules where the rich are allowed to steal from the poor to give to themselves. Aka the rules of her party.
Roborat
Plus she licked it.