Hey, guys, I'm gonna have an artist alley table at BotCon 2013 this weekend in San Diego! Since the comic runs seven days a week I can't really shove the usual "HEY GUYS" comic-replacing image in your face, so hopefully somebody reads this down here. (Though it's BotCon, which is really more of a Shortpacked! audience, so well, y'know. I'll have Dumbing of Age books and some posters, regardless.) Here's my tentative at-table schedule, so I'll have time to do Transformery things myself:
Friday
3 to 5pm (Friday is not open to general admission)
Saturday
9 to 10am
Noon to 1pm
2 to 5pm
Sunday
11am to 3:30pm
If you have like Transformers phobia or something, don't worry, I'll also be at San Diego Comic-Con a few weeks later. Unobjectionable
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Hey, guys, I'm gonna have an artist alley table at BotCon 2013 this weekend in San Diego! Since the comic runs seven days a week I can't really shove the usual "HEY GUYS" comic-replacing image in your face, so hopefully somebody reads this down here. (Though it's BotCon, which is really more of a Shortpacked! audience, so well, y'know. I'll have Dumbing of Age books and some posters, regardless.) Here's my tentative at-table schedule, so I'll have time to do Transformery things myself:
Friday
3 to 5pm (Friday is not open to general admission)
Saturday
9 to 10am
Noon to 1pm
2 to 5pm
Sunday
11am to 3:30pm
If you have like Transformers phobia or something, don't worry, I'll also be at San Diego Comic-Con a few weeks later.
Discussion (287) - “Unobjectionable”
Jen Aside
“WHY DO I HAVE TO EVER BE WRONG”
Mkvenner
Becuase human beings are not omniscience.
leor613
Why do you keep abusing the English language so badly? Its taking refuge from you in a shelter for abused grammar!
Mkvenner
I’m dysgraphic, what’s your excuse.
LiamKav
I thought that was just a handwriting thing. You live and learn, I guess…
Felix Kütt
I presume you mean dyslexic, other wise I’ve just learned of a new thing… …scary! 😀
AsimovSideburns
You forgot the apostrophe in “it’s,” which is a conjunction of “it is.”
If you’re (that’s “you are”) going to complain about somebody’s (that’s the possessive apostrophe, meaning “belonging to somebody”) use of the English language, especially if it’s (“it is” again, there) not hard to understand what they were trying to say, you’d (“you had”) better make sure that your own grammar is absolutely perfect.
leor613
I was referring to the English language as an individual for metaphorical purposes, hence it was absolutely correct to leave out the apostrophe. (You people do know what metaphors are, right?)
juvieboy
Nope, it still makes the “it” possessive. That, followed by “taking refuge in a shelter”, means that the apostrophe is still necessary.
So stop being a nazi about it when others get it wrong, because you’re just as guilty as the rest of them.
das-g
While I’m not a native speaker of English, I don’t think that’s how it works. As far as I know, “its” (without the apostrophe) is the possessive to “it” (as in: “The English language is buying its head in the sand, out of fear for its grammar.”) and can’t be used in place of “it’s” (contraction of “it is“), even if the “it” is a personification in a metaphor.
leor613
The generally accepted rules of English grammar dictate that an apostrophe may only be used for the contraction “it is” not for the possessive word “Its”. In the sentence above I was indicating that the English language was seeking shelter at a clinic for abused spouses; therefore the word in question should be “Its”, which is a possessive, indicating that the English language is taking itself to a place of shelter.
Missy
I’m not an expert in grammar by anyone’s definition, but for you to have intentionally used the possessive in your sentence would make absolutely no sense. The equivalent would be saying “Megan’s taking refuge.” Which doesn’t make grammatical sense either, or “Taking refuge belongs to the English language,” which still does not make sense. You meant “It is taking refuge,” which means your original sentence should have an apostrophe.
David
Leor, settle the hell down or you’re getting a serious time out.
(also you are not great at wallpapering over your own mistakes)
Somebody
That would imply that it owns a “taking refuge”, which makes no sense. It’s like typing the wrong form of correct.
Drunken Nordmann
Your name reminds me of Warhammer 40k.
ProjectXa3
I don’t see it.
DapperAnarchist
Mkvenner is one of the Gaunt’s Ghosts. Rather than give space-Scotsmen Mc or Mac names with capitals afterwards, they have Mk names with no second capital. They still apparently wear tartan though.
ProjectXa3
Ah, okay I get it. Is that the name of a Marines Chapter or a Regiment of the Imperial Guard?
Animaniac
Gaunt’s Ghosts are an Imperial Guard regiment AKA the Tanith First-and-Only
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/GauntsGhosts?from=Main.GauntsGhosts
Buckybone
Welcome to reality, remember to tip your cabbie.
Joycetotheworld
But I don’t believe in tipping cabbies!
Rex Hondo
This is Indiana. We don’t tip cabbies. We tip cows.
Mr. Random
In Illinois you tip corn. To make it more fun you should make some pretty designs.
CRtwenty
In Iowa CORN TIP YOU!
Rex Hondo
Wait, did Iowa get taken over by the russians?
Red Dawn was true!
lightsabermario
O MY GOD that avatar is perfect.
NightmareWarden
Iowans are the American Russians! Hmm…Is there an international equivalent for Texans? “Texans are the American ______s!”
Josh
They’re just Texan’s, that’s all that needs saying.
ProjectXa3
“Some people believe that if we ever found out the meaning of life, the universe would cease to exist and be replaced by something even stranger.
Others believe this has already happened.”
Pyr05
That’s right Joyce. People spent 18 years teaching you to fear nothing. NOTHIIIIIINNNNGGG!
The point I’m making is, someone needs to clean up the poo by the stairs.
JBO
But nothing is scarier then nothing!
Totz the Plaid
“The only thing there is to fear is fear itself… and me! The ghost of Franklin Delano Roosevelt!”
Shade
That’s how they get you.
Geminia999
Don’t worry, Billie and Ruth Stuff should be in the future, oh wait, that’s also depressing >_> I guess there is also Ethan and Amber, but that’s sad too. I guess you’re out of luck Willis.
Plasma Mongoose
This is why we need more Marcie and Sierra.
Yotomoe
I’m going to start drawing these two together if Willis doesn’t.
Aras Pabedinskas
And that would stop you otherwise?
Plasma Mongoose
Necessity is the mother of fan-art.
Mr. Random
Erotica, it’s father.
Rex Hondo
Pants-Shitting Insanity, it’s paternal grandmother.
Roborat
Horrible grammar and brain destroying raping of the english language it’s inbred second cousin trice removed.
Notebooked
Marsierra! SUPER ADVENTURES!
Yotomoe
Christianity is really good at making different and “evil” seem very similar.
Mkvenner
Every raligion does that or has sects that do that.
Yotomoe
Most orginized anythings do. That’s why I believe in ANARCHY! Drives a car through a mall.*
Doctor_Who
Baby clothes…This place has got everything.
brionl
I see the new Buicks are in.
Historyman68
Punches Kryptonians through a gas station. Wait, wrong comic.
leor613
@Mkvenner: No, not all religions do that. (Also some of the ones that do teach their children that those who don’t belong to their sect are dangerous have legitimate fears of persecution. Try going through twenty centuries of mass expulsions, forced conversions, pogroms, death camps and suicide bombers and not having a chip on your shoulder.)
Aras Pabedinskas
*Pats on back*
You are treading on dangerous waters here. I hope you are careful.
leor613
Hey, I’m not the one making broad generalizations with a poor command of English here. I’m merely pointing out that there are plenty of religious minorities who have a good reason to educate their children in a separate environment from the rest of the world, especially when parts of that world fears and hates them. Joyce merely happens not to belong to such a group and has no good excuse for having been raised in an epistemological bubble.
sumolegend
Speaking as a member of such a minority, I would say that
LOTS of people around the world live in such bubbles, epistemological
or otherwise. That’s usually where the pogroms and suicide
bombings come from. And there’s no shortage of people who go off to
college and find shiny new bubbles to protect themselves from new or
complicated ideas.
The trouble with bubbles is that they only provide the illusion of safety,
informational isolation doesn’t make you smarter or stronger, and history makes it clear that it’s never made anyone any safer. Prudence is wise, but willful ignorance is dangerous for everyone. And if I put a chip on my
shoulder, it’s not going to protect my shoulder.
Mr. Random
1: sumolegend… You might want to change your gravatar… It undermines your arguements by existing. 2: chips based on religion do not grow there naturally. They are placed there due to experience or, more likely, upbringing. 3: separating people from others only reinforces people to ostracize others that don’t fit their group. Even from the group that’s being persecuted.
sumolegend
1. Too bad, I love this ridiculous grav, captures my personality.
2. The chip leor was referring to had more to do with history
than religion per se. The point I was trying to make is
that I think open-eyed vigilance
is more useful (and healthy) that bleary eyed grudges.
3. I’m having a little trouble with your grammar, but
I guess your making, like, a more platitudinal version of
the point I was making? I’m not going to condemn
everyone that ever formed a separate group, that’s a pretty
darn hardline stance. I’m just wary of people embattling
themselves against large amounts of basic information,
whether they are in the minority or not.
Mr. Random
I was having a hard time phrasing the third, but yeah, essentially.
leor613
sumolegend is correct: I’m referring to historical events not religious doctrine. Learning hard truths from history about how to behave when you are a persecuted ethno-religious minority. (Note my use of the prefix ethno- .)
I don’t believe that people should wall themselves off from learning basic facts. And I have no desire to segregate myself from other groups. But just because I went to college, work alongside and play D&D with people from other ethnicities and religions, doesn’t mean I don’t still have to deal with people who, for example, insult me to my face.
Around six years ago I was running a D&D game at a FLGS as part of a series of weekly tournament events. During this particular game, one of the players got frustrated with his poor d20 rolls, keeping his PC from hitting a monster. After missing three times and getting hit twice, he said “That [the monster] is such a Jew!” The game ground to a halt, as one of the other players called the offending player out on his boorishness, pointing out that the DM (yours truly), plus herself and another player were all Jewish. One of the other (non-Jewish) players said “Not cool dude,” and the player who made the comment sheepishly apologized. I accepted his apology, and the game resumed, with the player’s dice giving better results and the monsters quickly died.
tl;dr My point is that there is a wide gulf between deliberately shunning the rest of the world and immersing oneself in society in order to get the best that society has to offer. But even those who might want to do the latter end up needing to build “shields” due to blatant bigotry, let alone values they do not agree with.
Somebody
It’s mostly other religious who antagonize them. Atheists tend to get persecuted…not the other way around. Getting made fun on Youtube doesn’t count either.
Mkvenner
But there are always going to be a few Arse holes who have to ruin it for everyone else.
leor613
Could you please clarify what you mean by “a few” and “ruin it for everyone else”?
ender1200
Oh, i can give you an example! Neturei Karta:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta#Moshe_Hirsch_faction
These guys are so seclusive that they view other Jews who don’t belong to their sect as worse than “goim”. Actually There are more than few Haredim courts that are as seclusive as evangelical Christians, and view other Jewish traditions, and even other interpretations of orthodox Judaism as heresy.
leor613
First of all, all Orthodox Jews, including Modern Orthodox Jews, view other Jewish “movements” (Reform, Conservative, Roconstructionist) as heresy, not just the Haredi and Yeshivish “velt“. But that doesn’t mean that Reform Jews stop being Jews. (Their children is sometimes another story…)
Secondly, Haredim don’t organize themselves into “courts”; you’re thinking of Hasidim. There is a large overlap between Hasidim and Haredim, but they are not identical. Not all Haredim subscribe to Hasidic beliefs, and not all Hasidim follow a Haredi lifestyle.
Hasidim belong to a Hasidic court (Ger, Breslov, Lubavitch, Satmar, Toldos Avraham Yitzchak, Boston), follow a rebbe and engage in a form of ecstatic worship, singing, dancing, telling stories.
Haredim follow a specific lifestyle, segregating themselves from outside influences to as large a degree as possible. They eschew certain parts of the modern world and seek to live a lifestyle dedicated to piety and devotion.
There are Hasidim who do not live a Haredi lifestyle; they may dress in different clothing, listen to secular music or go to movies, or send their children to college. But they still go to their rebbe’s tisch Friday nights, travel to Uman for Rosh HaShana if they are Breslovers, and hang a picture of the Lubavitcher Rebbe in their homes.
There are a large number of Haredim who are not Hasidim. Some are from the anti-Hasidic Lithuianian tradition (“Mitnagdim”), others are Sepharadi/Mizrachi Jews who follow a “Chacham” like Rabbi Ovadiya Yosef. Either way they have different, non-Hasidic traditions.
tl;dr Read it anyway. What do you people have the attention spans of fruit flies?
alicemacher
Leor613, you’re not serving as a very good representative of our people and our religion, with your arrogant, confrontational language and in particular your singling out of Mkvenner for mockery. I suggest you reread the passages in halakhic texts dealing with hillul ha-Shem vs. kiddush ha-Shem (profanation vs. sanctification of the divine Name) in terms of how Jews should present themselves to the world. Be a mensch, leor613, and be well. Peace.
ender1200
O.K fine courts is not the word i looked for, i guess communities was the right one. Or maybe is should have focus on certin yeshivot or the words of certin Rabbies.
The people i was talking about showcase the same presicution complex east european jews have developed in the middle ages (sadly for a good reson) torwords secular (tradithion holding or not) Jews.
Also i don’t know how do prthodox, conservative and reform jews are interacting abroad but here in israel, shas and yahadut hatora are doing their best to prevent the state from passing any law that recognise any form of jewdaism tha isn’t their own.
leor613
This may surprise you, ender1200, but I don’t object to hilonim (or their secular American counterparts). I don’t even have that much of a problem with the more right-wing branch of Conservative Judaism. (JTS used to produce great scholars, though the quality has declined over the past twenty five years.) I object to the American Reform movement (and its bastion of “scholarship, Hebrew Union College) and the damage they inflicted to Judaism and to Jewish lives.
At a time when Jewish immigrants were debating whether to keep Shabbos or go hungry because employers would fire anyone who didn’t show up Saturday (or left before 7:00 PM Fridays), rich Reform Jews were installing organs in their Temples, taking a scalpel to the siddur and distancing themselves from their “degenerate” cousins from the Russian Empire. At a time when Baron Rothschild was funding new settlements in Palestine, like Rishon L’Tzion and Zichron Ya’akov, the Reform movement was removing any reference to Ereretz Yisrael, the Beis HaMikdash or Jerusalem from their prayers. When Hillel Kook (aka Peter Bergson) was trying to raise money to save Jews from the Nazis and lobby FDR to act like he gave a damn about saving Jews, Reform Rabbi Steven Wise was villifying Kook.
The results of Reform Judaism in America is a 70% intermarriage rate among American Jews. Even in the Soviet Union the intermarriage rate wasn’t that high. Israel is better off ignoring the Reform and Conservative movements. Unless two million Reform Jews make Aliya from America, they are basically complaining about a country they have severed their ties to.
leor613
Also, I am aware of the tense relations between Haredim and the rest of Israeli society at the moment. I think that both sides need to tone down the hyperbole. The Haredi newspapers need to stop declaring Yair Lapid the next incarnation of Czar Nicholas I. And the Hilonim need to stop comparing Haredim to vermin and parasites.
The fact is that the Haredim need to teach their children math, science, English (and in some cases conversational Hebrew), but they won’t do so if they feel threatened. And the Hilonim could frankly benefit from interacting on a regular basis with frum Jews (Haredi or Dati Leumi), but I know that you won’t if the Haredim continue to isolate themselves and make themselves out to be victims. The problems in Israel are not beyond solving, it just requires both sides to want it. How did Herzl put, “If you will it, it is no dream,”?
AgentKeen
You should probably notice there’s an ‘or’ there.
leor613
It is still an over generalization.
Somebody
Is this the “no true Scotsman” thing or….
Andy
No, “No True Scotsman” would be if someone had said “Every religion does this.” Then, when someone points out a religion that doesn’t, they reply “Then it’s not a real religion, is it?”
Somebody
But he said they just haven’t really read the book…that isn’t always the case.
Valdrax
Every grouping that assigns differing values to its own members and those who aren’t does. Just look how worked up people get about stupid stuff like chose of smartphone or sports team. Humans are wired by evolution to fear and disdain members of the out-group. Its only by training and socialization that we overcome it.
Andrusi
Every railgun?
Plasma Mongoose
In general, we see ourselves and people close to us as individuals while we tend to view outsiders as homogeneous, it’s all to do with the ‘monkeysphere theory‘
Ronnie
Only the really stupid branches, believe me. To be fair though, almost every time Willis has taken any part on it’s been a gross oversimplification of their gross oversimplifications, so.