Crazy idea. The third storyline of season 2 is called “See you in the funny page” (you can see in the sidebar dropdown). Could that be a reference to the comics page of a newspaper? What if Joyce is going to fulfill her autobiographic destiny and become a cartoonist?
First she is her series about college life, “Cohabitants”
That’s followed by her science fiction epic, “It’s Julia Gray!”
After that she write two comics, a silly one about toys called “Understocked” (Cookie Crook and Chip the Dog may rule), and a sequel comic that recasts her previous sci-fi protagonists in a domestic comedy, “Julia Gray and Jake Cobb”.
Finally she reboots the whole universe in college again, with “Young and Stupid”.
Lingo
Jake Cobb, lol
SuperFroakie82
Then of course in Young and Stupid Jake Cobb becomes a cartoonist and goes on to make a comic series about college life…
Man, I can’t help but notice that a lot of small-minded folks tend to worry A LOT about “gateways”.
That always freaked me out.
Everything one enjoys while young (or, at the very least, open-minded) is always a “gateway” to something harmful, sinister, or, just more fun, which is invariably “BAD”.
I’m on the fence about video games, but I’m more worried about movies and TV.
I’ve about become convinced that “Walker, Texas Ranger” is part of the problem with police initiated violence. I can’t get the image of Chuck Norris putting a boot heel through a taillight to “justify” a traffic stop as “tail light out”. We ARE the stories we tell ourselves and “cowboy cop” is a popular protagonist type.
You can get off the fence.
Research has REPEATEDLY proven no realistic causal link between violent video games and violent behavior outside of games… in fact there’s a modest REDUCTION of violent behavior in people who play violent video games.
Kind of like how having a hamburger makes you less hungry. Weird how that works, huh?
It remains one of politicians’ favourite talking points, not because it’s true, but because their voters THINK it’s true, are AFRAID it’s true, which makes it the low-hanging fruit option to get votes from scared parents if you promise to do something about the “problem” (that doesn’t exist).
There was a teen murderer in the news a few years ago, and they reported how he played a lot of videogames, feeding the myth.
What do you think he was playing? What single game did they discover he spent more than 90% of his time playing? Call of Duty? Some other war-based game? Fortnight? A little Skyrim as a Kahjit Rogue sneaking up and slitting throats?
It was Candy Crush, on his damn phone. Kid had some SERIOUS problems with his home and school life, but let’s not wade into that difficult, ugly business of asking why the adults in his life weren’t helping the kid. Let’s not tackle any of the real problems. Let’s just blame it all on the made-up boogeyman that is “videogames cause violence”.
>_>
SeanR
Okay, and what about movies and TV?
My whole being willing to entertain that video games might be a factor is that it certainly appears to me that movies and TV are a factor and that maybe cowboy cop shows, a perennial favorite, might be a contributing factor to the social development of future cops, such as those who have recently made headlines.
That growing up watching Chuck Norris beat up the bad guys, who we the audience and Chuck Norris both knew were up to no good, but who couldn’t be proven to be involved in criminal activities within the shows setting through much of each episode, might have influenced their ideas and expectations of what they were to do when in a similar role.
Oh, I found some reading material. I haven’t read it yet, but you might be interested in it, too. I did only the most cursory scan, thus far, focusing on the conclusions of each section. I’ll read it later; it’s most of a few hundred pages. I found it trying to track down that news article about the UN sponsored African (don’t remember which country), musical talent show. https://yalebooks.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Media/9780300228090_UPDF.pdf
And the article I WAS looking for. Finally found it. Of course, it was after erasing that section of the comment. The jist was that media is used to change what a society tolerates and views as normal. Could not teaching young boys, with a chromed plastic star pinned to their plaid shirt, and a pair of cheap plastic handcuffs clipped to their belt loop, that a cop’s intuition is sufficient grounds to prosecute, or even execute, a suspected criminal is perfectly okay be part of the problem we have today? https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/03/16/593593501/invisibilia-inspired-by-american-idol-somali-tv-show-aimed-to-change-the-world
TV and Movies didnt put the laws in place which give police broad immunity to commit crimes .Nor create guilds which protect every badged criminal .
Red Herring is a Red herring.
thejeff
No, but TV and movies do a lot to shape and reinforce public perception. Copaganda is a thing – it’s often a very deliberate thing. Shows that get police department cooperation in particular.
Relax. Becky’s not even in the age range to really know about that show. She probably got bored and watched it on Netflix over the break on a whim and got super horny for Venus. I don’t think she was even alive when that show started airing. Shame too because a lot of the lastest TMNT cartoons have been great.
I mean, once you get this rigid that the slightest ‘maybe I was wrong about this’ can frequently make it collapse like a house of cards? I can see that being their experience!
Of course in that case they kind of got the causation reversed, but: details!
C.T Phipps
Bruce Lee (EASTERN RELIGION ATHEIST!) said that the people who cannot bend are the most easily broken.
SillyGoose
Maybe, but you’d have to have been allowed to watch his movies to be able to ponder that!
drs
Benders do seem preternaturally tough.
Especially earthbenders.
Sirksome
I actually really don’t understand this mindset at all. You’d think those that have such a strong conviction to their faith wouldn’t be afraid of outside influences. If anything you’d think it would encourage further exploration of other beliefs confident in their own ideologies being the correct ones.
C.T Phipps
There’s a good argument that fundamentalists are less concerned about Jesus and actually their beliefs that maintaining control over their offspring. As we see with Becky, she’s stronger in her faith because of being shown that the hypocricies of her Church are not tolerated by other people.
Joyce was crushed because she was less into God than the community built around it.
Needfuldoer
I read an argument recently that spoke volumes: fundie groups teach their members to be preachy not as a recruitment tool, but to alienate outsiders. This reinforces the narrative feedback loop that keeps the flock from going astray by maintaining the group as their most reliable social outlet.
Of course this only radicalizes the likes of Carol…
ego
im not in a position to say that _literally nobody anywhere_ actually believes the central supernatural claims in abrahamism, but i will say that model offers a lot, a LOT, of predictive power.
C.T Phipps
I certainly believe in the supernatural elements but came from a very fundamentalist background. There was a very nasty anti-Christian undercurrent to being righteous and lording over others.
thejeff
Yeah, I saw that as well. Cult tactics.
Fits well with the Chick tracts mentioned elsewhere in the thread – There’s no way those are at all persuasive to the people they’re supposedly aimed at. No Catholic is going to read one of them and decide that parody of their religion is right and it’s really a Satanic cult, but they can certainly keep the insiders believing that the Catholics are evil. Keep them from talking to any Catholics in a sane manner and learning anything. The same for any of the other targets – Muslims, atheists, etc.
Regalli
Unfortunately, this particular brand of cult (and Joyce and Becky were definitely raised in a more cultlike atmosphere, not just ‘overly restrictive but still mainstream religion’) doesn’t want people well-informed, or exercising critical thinking, or any possibility they might consider other viewpoints. It wants obedience and control over its followers, pure and simple, and so the people who stay are your Rosses and Carols. Because if you start considering that maybe people who are different from you aren’t a massive monolith of pure evil, then maybe you’ll start thinking that gays and Catholics are people too! Worse, maybe you’ll think it’s okay to be like them yourself.
If you’ve never read a Chick Tract, they are… extremely enlightening for a sense of this particular brand of Christianity. In the worst possible way. I particularly ‘recommend’ the ones that talk about how Catholics and Muslims are literally part of the same Satanic cult. Or the one where all rock music is made under the influence of Satan, including Christian rock which is a gateway to ensnare Good Christian Teenagers. And pretty much any one you care to name basically assumes that the reason none of these people are Christians already (unless they’re in on the Satanic conspiracy, like the Pope) is because they just haven’t heard about Jesus. Like, no clue whatsoever. It’s a completely alien mindset to… well, most people who’ve met someone who’s not in their particular ingroup and actually gotten to know them at all. And yet, there are actually people who believe this stuff.
ischemgeek
Alternatively, there was a cartoon for religious fundamentalists where giant mecha crusaders battled mecha demons with lightsabers twhile quoting Bible verses that was a thing in the 00s. Joyce might have got the laser sword thing from that.
(No really, it exists. I came upon it in a bout of 3AM insomnia once and it’s either fantastic or awful depending on where your line for so bad it’s good again is.for the life of me I can’t remember what it was called but it kept me entertained riffing on it like MST3K for a few hours until I could sleep)
AbelUndercity
OK, now I have to know what this show is.
Regalli
Okay that’s definitely not Superbook I don’t think, but now I am SUPER CURIOUS because yeah, sounds hilarious.
Regalli
And since I decided ‘yes, I should look this up’: Ooh, is it this Angel Wars thing?
(I seriously hope so, I’m not sure I’m up for multiple series like this to exist.)
Jamie
It’s one of Umberto Eco’s defining features of fascism, incidentally: to be invincibly strong and pathetically weak at the same time: the denigration of enemies to be dismissably weak and yet simultaneously an existential threat.
Commonly seen in conspiracy theories, where the bad guys are ultra powerful yet their plans are put at risk by a few individuals who see “the truth.” Whereas if they really existed people like Alex Jones and David Icke would have been murdered and/or discredited long ago.
insomniac
I mean. They’re both pretty discredited.
Needfuldoer
Doublethink is doubleplusungood, but necessary for the narrative to hold up.
Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists start from the conclusion they want and twist facts and narratives to work their way to a starting point. In some cases, they’re gaslit into believing that when a previously held-as-true narrative has been proven false, it was “deliberate misinformation” to “throw tHeM off the trail”. There’s no walking them back out of this fantasy world through logic or reason, because their conspiracy world is self-sealing.
thejeff
Yup, a good conspiracy is immune to debunking. Sometimes personal experience can break people out, but simple logical arguments can’t. There’s still value in them, since they can keep people on the fringes from getting sucked in.
Why are Christians so paranoid? Do you know how many Christians there are in Korea and Japan??
thejeff
Many are not of course. It’s really only a few subsets that dip into the cult mindset. They’ve just got a lot power in the US at the moment.
drs
Very few in Japan, 1.5% of the country. Granted, Japan’s a big country so that’s 1.8 million people, but percentage wise South Korea is a lot more Christian, at 28%… though “no religion” is at 56%, possibly making SK the least religious country in the world that doesn’t have a Communist party trying to eliminate religion. SK has 14 million Christians.
they seem to be believe that “the right things are not easy to do” but to me seems easier to demand not to educate your children about sex, sexuality, anything not cis hetero and completely lie or omit how other religions or non religions really are and say you are great parent because of that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I remember “Tycho” from Penny Arcade blogging about how his mum watched him play a demonstration D&D session at a convention. Afterwards, she said “I’m sorry, son. It’s not what they told me it was.”
Joyce was also swinging Sarah’s vibe like a lightsaber. I think her parents got more strict as she got older, and were much more mainstream when she was a kid. Her oldest brother got to go to regular school I’m pretty sure.
Yoga exercise videos though,too true, lol. My then future sister in law once said my family wasn’t Christians because we owned a yoga mat. I said it was an exercise mat.
They’re not entirely wrong about yoga though. It’s not just an exercise, though most Westerners use it as such. It’s origins are as Hindu spiritual practice and if you dig in beyond the superficial level, you’ll still into more philosophical and spiritual aspects.
It’s less silly than a lot of other things frowned on by fundie Christians as “gateways”.
296 thoughts on “Ninja Turtles”
tbodt
Crazy idea. The third storyline of season 2 is called “See you in the funny page” (you can see in the sidebar dropdown). Could that be a reference to the comics page of a newspaper? What if Joyce is going to fulfill her autobiographic destiny and become a cartoonist?
Undrave
When is her toy store phase?
Doctor_Who
That’s phase three.
First she is her series about college life, “Cohabitants”
That’s followed by her science fiction epic, “It’s Julia Gray!”
After that she write two comics, a silly one about toys called “Understocked” (Cookie Crook and Chip the Dog may rule), and a sequel comic that recasts her previous sci-fi protagonists in a domestic comedy, “Julia Gray and Jake Cobb”.
Finally she reboots the whole universe in college again, with “Young and Stupid”.
Lingo
Jake Cobb, lol
SuperFroakie82
Then of course in Young and Stupid Jake Cobb becomes a cartoonist and goes on to make a comic series about college life…
clif
Fearless Fosdick would approve.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
Oooh, oooh! xD
Dumbing of Age Book 10: Who cares about a buncha friggin’ DUDES?
Ana Chronistic
“Is that what they believe on Easter Island?”
Ana Chronistic
“It’s in Texas!”
“…”
“no, wait, that’s Palestine”
Juanoku
This physically hurt me
SeanR
Makemake it stop. Please.
clif
Perhaps Ana was thinking of Nazareth, Texas.
You should make a point sometime to visit the Eiffel Tower in Paris Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Tower_(Paris,_Texas)
The Lurker
Don’t forget the steel mills in Pittsburg, which isn’t that far from Paris!
Octopus Ink
Man, I can’t help but notice that a lot of small-minded folks tend to worry A LOT about “gateways”.
That always freaked me out.
Everything one enjoys while young (or, at the very least, open-minded) is always a “gateway” to something harmful, sinister, or, just more fun, which is invariably “BAD”.
abysswatcher1993
Pokemon, Dragon Ball, Halloween… I have heard a lot.
Deanatay
This is why you should NEVER learn about anything. /f
FacelessDeviant
Also videogames.
SeanR
I’m on the fence about video games, but I’m more worried about movies and TV.
I’ve about become convinced that “Walker, Texas Ranger” is part of the problem with police initiated violence. I can’t get the image of Chuck Norris putting a boot heel through a taillight to “justify” a traffic stop as “tail light out”. We ARE the stories we tell ourselves and “cowboy cop” is a popular protagonist type.
Hinonron
You can get off the fence.
Research has REPEATEDLY proven no realistic causal link between violent video games and violent behavior outside of games… in fact there’s a modest REDUCTION of violent behavior in people who play violent video games.
Kind of like how having a hamburger makes you less hungry. Weird how that works, huh?
It remains one of politicians’ favourite talking points, not because it’s true, but because their voters THINK it’s true, are AFRAID it’s true, which makes it the low-hanging fruit option to get votes from scared parents if you promise to do something about the “problem” (that doesn’t exist).
There was a teen murderer in the news a few years ago, and they reported how he played a lot of videogames, feeding the myth.
What do you think he was playing? What single game did they discover he spent more than 90% of his time playing? Call of Duty? Some other war-based game? Fortnight? A little Skyrim as a Kahjit Rogue sneaking up and slitting throats?
It was Candy Crush, on his damn phone. Kid had some SERIOUS problems with his home and school life, but let’s not wade into that difficult, ugly business of asking why the adults in his life weren’t helping the kid. Let’s not tackle any of the real problems. Let’s just blame it all on the made-up boogeyman that is “videogames cause violence”.
>_>
SeanR
Okay, and what about movies and TV?
My whole being willing to entertain that video games might be a factor is that it certainly appears to me that movies and TV are a factor and that maybe cowboy cop shows, a perennial favorite, might be a contributing factor to the social development of future cops, such as those who have recently made headlines.
That growing up watching Chuck Norris beat up the bad guys, who we the audience and Chuck Norris both knew were up to no good, but who couldn’t be proven to be involved in criminal activities within the shows setting through much of each episode, might have influenced their ideas and expectations of what they were to do when in a similar role.
Oh, I found some reading material. I haven’t read it yet, but you might be interested in it, too. I did only the most cursory scan, thus far, focusing on the conclusions of each section. I’ll read it later; it’s most of a few hundred pages. I found it trying to track down that news article about the UN sponsored African (don’t remember which country), musical talent show.
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Media/9780300228090_UPDF.pdf
And the article I WAS looking for. Finally found it. Of course, it was after erasing that section of the comment. The jist was that media is used to change what a society tolerates and views as normal. Could not teaching young boys, with a chromed plastic star pinned to their plaid shirt, and a pair of cheap plastic handcuffs clipped to their belt loop, that a cop’s intuition is sufficient grounds to prosecute, or even execute, a suspected criminal is perfectly okay be part of the problem we have today?
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/03/16/593593501/invisibilia-inspired-by-american-idol-somali-tv-show-aimed-to-change-the-world
SeanR
The other article I was remembering. Somehow I thought this was part of the same article as the Somalia one.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17820571
adam Black
TV and Movies didnt put the laws in place which give police broad immunity to commit crimes .Nor create guilds which protect every badged criminal .
Red Herring is a Red herring.
thejeff
No, but TV and movies do a lot to shape and reinforce public perception. Copaganda is a thing – it’s often a very deliberate thing. Shows that get police department cooperation in particular.
Sirksome
Relax. Becky’s not even in the age range to really know about that show. She probably got bored and watched it on Netflix over the break on a whim and got super horny for Venus. I don’t think she was even alive when that show started airing. Shame too because a lot of the lastest TMNT cartoons have been great.
Sirksome
Ooops. I somehow replied to the wrong comment! Sorry! Copy and paste this to Jay’s comment below.
nightshade
ands the show only lasted a season if it was lucky as it was a shitty power rangers rip off anyways
Needfuldoer
If the slippery slope fallacy was a religion, it would be American fundamentalism.
clif
So the slippery slope fallacy is a gateway?
Opus the Poet
To many things…
thumb
“But what if they were to value . . . something else?”
The underlying fear of any faith based doctrine.
Sirksome
Basically just take all the cliches from any American produced martial arts movie and you have “Eastern religion”
C.T Phipps
Fundamentalists seem to think Christian faith is very weak to the slightest exposure.
Regalli
I mean, once you get this rigid that the slightest ‘maybe I was wrong about this’ can frequently make it collapse like a house of cards? I can see that being their experience!
Of course in that case they kind of got the causation reversed, but: details!
C.T Phipps
Bruce Lee (EASTERN RELIGION ATHEIST!) said that the people who cannot bend are the most easily broken.
SillyGoose
Maybe, but you’d have to have been allowed to watch his movies to be able to ponder that!
drs
Benders do seem preternaturally tough.
Especially earthbenders.
Sirksome
I actually really don’t understand this mindset at all. You’d think those that have such a strong conviction to their faith wouldn’t be afraid of outside influences. If anything you’d think it would encourage further exploration of other beliefs confident in their own ideologies being the correct ones.
C.T Phipps
There’s a good argument that fundamentalists are less concerned about Jesus and actually their beliefs that maintaining control over their offspring. As we see with Becky, she’s stronger in her faith because of being shown that the hypocricies of her Church are not tolerated by other people.
Joyce was crushed because she was less into God than the community built around it.
Needfuldoer
I read an argument recently that spoke volumes: fundie groups teach their members to be preachy not as a recruitment tool, but to alienate outsiders. This reinforces the narrative feedback loop that keeps the flock from going astray by maintaining the group as their most reliable social outlet.
Of course this only radicalizes the likes of Carol…
ego
im not in a position to say that _literally nobody anywhere_ actually believes the central supernatural claims in abrahamism, but i will say that model offers a lot, a LOT, of predictive power.
C.T Phipps
I certainly believe in the supernatural elements but came from a very fundamentalist background. There was a very nasty anti-Christian undercurrent to being righteous and lording over others.
thejeff
Yeah, I saw that as well. Cult tactics.
Fits well with the Chick tracts mentioned elsewhere in the thread – There’s no way those are at all persuasive to the people they’re supposedly aimed at. No Catholic is going to read one of them and decide that parody of their religion is right and it’s really a Satanic cult, but they can certainly keep the insiders believing that the Catholics are evil. Keep them from talking to any Catholics in a sane manner and learning anything. The same for any of the other targets – Muslims, atheists, etc.
Regalli
Unfortunately, this particular brand of cult (and Joyce and Becky were definitely raised in a more cultlike atmosphere, not just ‘overly restrictive but still mainstream religion’) doesn’t want people well-informed, or exercising critical thinking, or any possibility they might consider other viewpoints. It wants obedience and control over its followers, pure and simple, and so the people who stay are your Rosses and Carols. Because if you start considering that maybe people who are different from you aren’t a massive monolith of pure evil, then maybe you’ll start thinking that gays and Catholics are people too! Worse, maybe you’ll think it’s okay to be like them yourself.
If you’ve never read a Chick Tract, they are… extremely enlightening for a sense of this particular brand of Christianity. In the worst possible way. I particularly ‘recommend’ the ones that talk about how Catholics and Muslims are literally part of the same Satanic cult. Or the one where all rock music is made under the influence of Satan, including Christian rock which is a gateway to ensnare Good Christian Teenagers. And pretty much any one you care to name basically assumes that the reason none of these people are Christians already (unless they’re in on the Satanic conspiracy, like the Pope) is because they just haven’t heard about Jesus. Like, no clue whatsoever. It’s a completely alien mindset to… well, most people who’ve met someone who’s not in their particular ingroup and actually gotten to know them at all. And yet, there are actually people who believe this stuff.
ischemgeek
Alternatively, there was a cartoon for religious fundamentalists where giant mecha crusaders battled mecha demons with lightsabers twhile quoting Bible verses that was a thing in the 00s. Joyce might have got the laser sword thing from that.
(No really, it exists. I came upon it in a bout of 3AM insomnia once and it’s either fantastic or awful depending on where your line for so bad it’s good again is.for the life of me I can’t remember what it was called but it kept me entertained riffing on it like MST3K for a few hours until I could sleep)
AbelUndercity
OK, now I have to know what this show is.
Regalli
Okay that’s definitely not Superbook I don’t think, but now I am SUPER CURIOUS because yeah, sounds hilarious.
Regalli
And since I decided ‘yes, I should look this up’: Ooh, is it this Angel Wars thing?
https://youtu.be/qClC-L_Pv4c
(I seriously hope so, I’m not sure I’m up for multiple series like this to exist.)
Jamie
It’s one of Umberto Eco’s defining features of fascism, incidentally: to be invincibly strong and pathetically weak at the same time: the denigration of enemies to be dismissably weak and yet simultaneously an existential threat.
tim gueguen
Commonly seen in conspiracy theories, where the bad guys are ultra powerful yet their plans are put at risk by a few individuals who see “the truth.” Whereas if they really existed people like Alex Jones and David Icke would have been murdered and/or discredited long ago.
insomniac
I mean. They’re both pretty discredited.
Needfuldoer
Doublethink is doubleplusungood, but necessary for the narrative to hold up.
Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists start from the conclusion they want and twist facts and narratives to work their way to a starting point. In some cases, they’re gaslit into believing that when a previously held-as-true narrative has been proven false, it was “deliberate misinformation” to “throw tHeM off the trail”. There’s no walking them back out of this fantasy world through logic or reason, because their conspiracy world is self-sealing.
thejeff
Yup, a good conspiracy is immune to debunking. Sometimes personal experience can break people out, but simple logical arguments can’t. There’s still value in them, since they can keep people on the fringes from getting sucked in.
clif
That’s what they want you to think.
Deanatay
Why are Christians so paranoid? Do you know how many Christians there are in Korea and Japan??
thejeff
Many are not of course. It’s really only a few subsets that dip into the cult mindset. They’ve just got a lot power in the US at the moment.
drs
Very few in Japan, 1.5% of the country. Granted, Japan’s a big country so that’s 1.8 million people, but percentage wise South Korea is a lot more Christian, at 28%… though “no religion” is at 56%, possibly making SK the least religious country in the world that doesn’t have a Communist party trying to eliminate religion. SK has 14 million Christians.
China is at 2.5% and 35 million Christians.
Romanticide
they seem to be believe that “the right things are not easy to do” but to me seems easier to demand not to educate your children about sex, sexuality, anything not cis hetero and completely lie or omit how other religions or non religions really are and say you are great parent because of that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
davidbreslin101
I remember “Tycho” from Penny Arcade blogging about how his mum watched him play a demonstration D&D session at a convention. Afterwards, she said “I’m sorry, son. It’s not what they told me it was.”
Robbie
I was allowed star wars. I thought joyce was too? Didn’t she say she watched some of the prequel trilogy – like to leslie?
meanderling
Joyce was also swinging Sarah’s vibe like a lightsaber. I think her parents got more strict as she got older, and were much more mainstream when she was a kid. Her oldest brother got to go to regular school I’m pretty sure.
BBCC
I think willis said the vibesabre bit was something she gleaned from general cultural osmosis.
Alanari
They also changed their mind about Halloween I think. So that would fit..
Seregiel
Because Jocelyn wanted to be wonder woman, if I remember correctly.
Lionheart261
Iirc, the joke there was that the only parts she was allowed to watch were the parts about trade disputes.
Robbie
I thought the joke was she was allowed to watch it because there were parts about trade disputes, but my memory is notoriously bad
AbacusWizard
“the parts about trade disputes”
I dunno, those trade coalition leader aliens had accents that might be a gateway to eastern religion.
Deanatay
Right, it’s OK to watch the parts that VILLIFY Eastern religion.
Jhon
Joyce was allowed to watch the prequels to convince her the whole SW franchise was evil.
Robbie
Yoga exercise videos though,too true, lol. My then future sister in law once said my family wasn’t Christians because we owned a yoga mat. I said it was an exercise mat.
SillyGoose
That was much more conciliatory than I would have been 😀
thejeff
They’re not entirely wrong about yoga though. It’s not just an exercise, though most Westerners use it as such. It’s origins are as Hindu spiritual practice and if you dig in beyond the superficial level, you’ll still into more philosophical and spiritual aspects.
It’s less silly than a lot of other things frowned on by fundie Christians as “gateways”.
Jhon
For exercising Christian values.
thejeff