I’m sure there are some moms who’d pull a gun on their kids.
I feel like I should write such a character…
Disloyal Subject
I know of moms who’ll brandish a knife, so I’m sure moms who’ll draw a gun are out there. Some have probably shot their kids to try to purify them of queerness.
…and now I’m sad.
…this transcends my capacity for sadness or even rage. That’s just fucked up to the point that there is no appropriate response.
I hadn’t even considered kids getting hurt. I was just thinking of teens like Becky, which is horrible enough.
Yeah, that one is super fucked up. I wish I could say it transcended my rage and sadness, but working as a teacher I encounter too many damn awful things happening to all ages of kid and too many awful parents who in an ideal world would be behind bars.
Mr. Bulbmin
You see . . . this is why I say people in general are bags of dicks. Shit like this.
KarkatTheDalek
…Oh.
Now I wish I hadn’t brought it up.
Dark
I opened that link, read the first sentence, walked away from my computer, came back, closed the tab, and immediately watched video to feel better.
Dark
Well, I fucked up the HTML. But oh well, works anyway.
lets not be blind to what is actually happening. the Twins mom thinks she loves her kids equally I’m sure. This isnt Passive Aggressiveness. She’s not trying to send a message, unlike Joyce’s mom. She doesnt understand her daughter, she doesnt know her daughter and she’s given up (probably) on her daughter. Maybe she feels Sal doesnt care about her, Maybe she doesnt know how to connect. What makes her bad in this case is her blindness to her favor of walky and how that alters her actions. If she didnt know what movies, snacks, or cloths to buy Sal she coulda tried to ask Walky or if Walky had the contact info of her friends but she didnt. Instead she probably put a few chips and a gift card in there and thats it because she doesnt realize she’s being neglectful
ischemgeek
Trust me, parents who have favorites know damn well they have favorites. What they convince themselves of isn’t that they don’t have a favorite, it’s that either the least favorite deserves it because reasons (in this case, Sal’s criminal past) or that they manage to conceal it so well their kids don’t pick up on it (my folks, who honestly think I’ve never picked up the fact that they favor my sister over me).
say this as a least-favorite kid whose parents have in the past said shit like, “Oh, every parent has a favorite. The issue isn’t whether or not you have a favorite, it’s whether you let that affect how you treat them. I think as long as you don’t let it affect how you treat your kids, it’s okay.” I’ve spoken to other parents who have favorites, too, and they all know. They might bullshit to themselves and others about it, but they know. I find the degree of favoritism such parents exhibit is directly proportional to the frequency of their protestation that they love all their kids equally (yeah, keep telling yourself that. Sooner or later you might even believe it).
Now, having a favorite and having knowledge of their favorite might not mean that they are intentionally being malicious to the less favored. But the favorite gets doted on and the not favored is neglected. Passively, but it happens.
But my point is that Linda totally does have a favorite, and I find it very hard to believe that she is unaware that she has a favorite. That said, I am damn near certain that she has herself convinced that the bad relationship between herself and Sal is completely Sal’s fault for the convenience store stuff, and she doesn’t realize it started in her court, waay earlier.
Jury’s still out for me on whether or not she’s intentionally trying to rub her favoritism in Sal’s face or if it’s more that she dotes on Walky so much that Sal is just an afterthought and like Walky she’s too oblivious to realize that Sal knows what’s up and will take it personally. Neither option speaks well to her consideration and competence as a parent.
Christine
The observation about Linda’s lack of competence as a parent is actually part of why I still wonder if she notices. Going with the “she’s too oblivious to realise that Sal notices” theory, it’s also possible that Linda is too oblivious to notice herself. After all, it’s going to be a lot easier to notice that you treat your kids differently than that you actually like one better than the other.
And especially on how parents seek out an excuse based in the less favored kid’s actions to justify it or try and force themselves to believe they treat their kids equally.
And if the reason a kid is less favored is because of bigotry, they will also move Heaven and Earth to find a way to convince themselves that it’s totally not that, but rather that the other kid is just “doing so much better” at… something, anything (even if it’s only due to them having more advantages due to familial support and facing less direct bigotry in their life) and that’s why they’re more worthy of affection.
The justifications get way more impressively awful when the favored child is actually doing objectively worse than the non-favored child, because nothing the non-favored child accomplishes, even if it is genuinely impressive, will be enough for them to gain their parents’ esteem.
Gordon
It’s actually a documented phenomenon with twins that parents will often arbitrarily pick a favorite. There was a quote in my developmental psychology textbook where a mother with identical twin sons basically says that she “knew right away that didn’t like me.” As in, from birth.
ischemgeek
Hi do you have secret spy cameras in my place? (My sib has failed at pretty much everything ahead has tried since high school. Still the favorite. I could win the Nobel Prize in chemistry and they would be all “that’s nice dear. Your sister is going to try kinesiology this time and you should help her because she looks up to you and blah blah blah let us talk about her all conversation. Oh, and blame you for her failure because as the eldest it is your job to ensure the youngest’s success so her failure is really yours for not giving enough guidance and support and totes not hers for not doing the work or ours for bailing her out all the time.”
Yeah.
I’m at the point now where it’s almost funny. But yeah. That’s why I am pretty sure that Sal’s folks will find a way to blame her for Walky’s failure. Because nothing is ever the favorite’sites fault.
Beth
Not always, and while in this case there is a direct favourite in some cases both children think the other is the favourite as was the case with me and my sister. My sis thought I was the favourite because I was in less trouble and I felt she was the favourite because she got more attention which I now realise was due to my parents trying to support her through a bad time in her life. In that case I don’t think my parents really had favourites. However that said it does happen and I have seen it with other families and I totally see that Walky is very much the favourite in this.
That’s not really a great tagline for her…or anyone. Toedad doesn’t just set a low bar, he leaves it on the floor for people to trip over. Basically I’m saying you can actually be a better parent than him by accident.
Spidergirl
I get the feeling that someday, someone’s gonna dig right under the bar.
Blaine’s staring at a photo of Toedad and is just using it in some 80s style montage as he trains to somehow top him in the awful charts.
Mr. Bulbmin
“I *must* set the bar lower . . . I can put the bar UNDERGROUND? GENIUS!”
N0083rP00F
Even easier – ship it to Australia – so far down under its on top of Ayers Rock.
Dana
I found an Australian bar in my apartment the other day while packing for a move. Somewhere in Australia right now there’s a kid I don’t envy.
Shade
Ayer’s rock isn’t even the highest point in Australia though. That goes to Mount Kosciuszko, a mountain so tall it stole it’s name from the shorter mountain next it.
Someone
If Jason’s father is anything like the last universe…
Deanatay
Blaine buried the bar ten feet underground. You have to REALLY try to be worse than him.
Mollyscribbles
Hmm. Is she better or worse than Carol?
David
You didn’t know? Toedad crossdresses as Linda in order to spread piety to two families. Autumn Walkerton was a tramp and unworthy to rear her children.
As the offspring of a shotgun dad and a “everything wrong in your life is totally your fault and you deserve it” rest of the family, I mark Carol as worse than Toedad. Because it’s much easier to break away from the parent that physically assaults you than the one who just makes you feel like utter sh*t. And those words stay with you. Those scars take SO MUCH longer to heal and fade. You give up on the gun-toter pretty quickly, but you spend YEARS trying to convince the commentator to rethink things, to find a middle ground, to reach a point where you can both forgive each other — as if there’s something they need to forgive you for. You lose more trying to maintain that connection than you do when the bullet comes out the gun. Getting shot hurts, and it might kill you, but living with the words of others hurts worse, for longer. So… Yeah. Votes on Carol being the second worst parent in the series, after Blaine (who used physical abuse as a tool for the emotional abuse, which made the emotional abuse even more powerful and damaging).
Given that he’s mentioned Joyce is Autobiographical, and given recent events, it’s fairly logical to conclude he doesn’t have a very good relationship with his own parents.
Cholma
Yeah, his mom & Joyce’s mom could probably be best friends.
People trying to make the former half of that true are responsible for an awful lot of the latter half.
Inspector Hound
Tolstoy Lied, by Rachel Kadish, if not the best book, nonetheless has the best title.
Reltzik
Nonono, Dorothy’s parents are EVIL.
By giving Dorothy so much agency and instilling in her so much drive to succeed, they have given her a complex in which she almost never dares to have fun, has impossibly high goals she is almost guaranteed to be disappointed by not achieving, and frequently misses out on essentials like sleep and knowing what day it is just in order to study.
I mean, sure, Toedad kidnapped Becky. But he didn’t give her a complex!
((… and yes, that was me being silly. Hold the flames.))
Eh, I think it’s more statistics. There are a billion and a half ways to be a bad parent. I mean, look at the bad parents on showcase here. Your Toedads are startlingly different from your Carols, who are a whole different animal from your Blaines and your Lindas. Even if sometimes they echo each other. And that’s not even including the Randal/Sharons and Richards and Ruth’s grandfather and Naomi/Sauls and we can’t forget the Charles…es.
Being a good one is much harder. Jeremiah and Deborah are the only real examples. Though Haruka and Ryou seem pretty cool. Falyn, Reno and maybe Stacy? Hard to say.
And yes, I did skim through the Parents’ Weekend arc to find all those.
It’s hard to write a long story focusing on good parents. Where’s the conflict, unless you rely on easily cleared up misunderstandings?
Like, from what we’ve seen, Amber’s mom seems pretty cool, and Sierra’s parents were more than willing to help Amber out when her dad was being aggressive, so they seem nice. The Saruyamas were pleasant (or at least quiet) enough for Sarah to want to be adopted by them. Even Dorothy’s parents seem to be pretty good ones, but they only get so much screen time to serve as a foil and raise the stakes a bit when Joyce confronted her parents.
Jaco
Not all conflict has to be with parents.
N0083rP00F
True, there is always fishing. Soooo many fishing stories *shudder*
Gordon
And not all conflict has been with parents.
Walky is struggling with grades.
Ruth and Carla with Mary.
Billie and Ruth with each other.
Joyce with her various traumas. Caused by Toedad AND Ryan.
Sarah and Dina with their social skills.
Sal was struggling with Malaya.
Amber with her various issues.
Danny and Ethan with their respective sexualities.
But when you have shitty parents, they are often the largest source of conflict in your life. It gets more pronounced in times like this where you both feel they still have a lot of control over your life, even though they aren’t close enough to exercise it.
“Any box in any universe has an equal chance of containing poo or containing not-poo” — This is the Bayesian doctrine of Equal Priors.
(Since when you start out, you have no idea what the actual chances are.)
But each time you open a box containing non-poo, that raises the chance that the next box will contain poo.
555 thoughts on “Care”
Ana Chronistic
or Walky and Billie have LARGE boxes of poop and Sal has a small box of poop
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS
…
is this storyline about shitty moms as a switch-up from earlier =|
spriteless
Moms are shitty in passive aggressive ways. At least, the ones who aren’t into poison are.
butts
Hey, don’t box people in. Shitty dads can be passive-aggressive, too.
Thorn
The avatar makes that comment.
Crazy Lou
Between Amber and Becky I think we’ve gotten our fill of shitty dads for a while.
SLICEY
so sal and walky as well as joyce gives us our shitty mom quota?
Spencer
Hey be fair.
Walky and Sal’s dad sucks too.
KarkatTheDalek
I’m sure there are some moms who’d pull a gun on their kids.
I feel like I should write such a character…
Disloyal Subject
I know of moms who’ll brandish a knife, so I’m sure moms who’ll draw a gun are out there. Some have probably shot their kids to try to purify them of queerness.
…and now I’m sad.
Cerberus
Not a shooting, but…
[SO MANY TRIGGER WARNINGS, like seriously, this story is really sad and fucked up on so many levels]:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/27/oregon-mom-gay-son-murder_n_5044807.html
Disloyal Subject
…this transcends my capacity for sadness or even rage. That’s just fucked up to the point that there is no appropriate response.
I hadn’t even considered kids getting hurt. I was just thinking of teens like Becky, which is horrible enough.
Cerberus
Yeah, that one is super fucked up. I wish I could say it transcended my rage and sadness, but working as a teacher I encounter too many damn awful things happening to all ages of kid and too many awful parents who in an ideal world would be behind bars.
Mr. Bulbmin
You see . . . this is why I say people in general are bags of dicks. Shit like this.
KarkatTheDalek
…Oh.
Now I wish I hadn’t brought it up.
Dark
I opened that link, read the first sentence, walked away from my computer, came back, closed the tab, and immediately watched video to feel better.
Dark
Well, I fucked up the HTML. But oh well, works anyway.
ThatGuy
lets not be blind to what is actually happening. the Twins mom thinks she loves her kids equally I’m sure. This isnt Passive Aggressiveness. She’s not trying to send a message, unlike Joyce’s mom. She doesnt understand her daughter, she doesnt know her daughter and she’s given up (probably) on her daughter. Maybe she feels Sal doesnt care about her, Maybe she doesnt know how to connect. What makes her bad in this case is her blindness to her favor of walky and how that alters her actions. If she didnt know what movies, snacks, or cloths to buy Sal she coulda tried to ask Walky or if Walky had the contact info of her friends but she didnt. Instead she probably put a few chips and a gift card in there and thats it because she doesnt realize she’s being neglectful
ischemgeek
Trust me, parents who have favorites know damn well they have favorites. What they convince themselves of isn’t that they don’t have a favorite, it’s that either the least favorite deserves it because reasons (in this case, Sal’s criminal past) or that they manage to conceal it so well their kids don’t pick up on it (my folks, who honestly think I’ve never picked up the fact that they favor my sister over me).
say this as a least-favorite kid whose parents have in the past said shit like, “Oh, every parent has a favorite. The issue isn’t whether or not you have a favorite, it’s whether you let that affect how you treat them. I think as long as you don’t let it affect how you treat your kids, it’s okay.” I’ve spoken to other parents who have favorites, too, and they all know. They might bullshit to themselves and others about it, but they know. I find the degree of favoritism such parents exhibit is directly proportional to the frequency of their protestation that they love all their kids equally (yeah, keep telling yourself that. Sooner or later you might even believe it).
Now, having a favorite and having knowledge of their favorite might not mean that they are intentionally being malicious to the less favored. But the favorite gets doted on and the not favored is neglected. Passively, but it happens.
But my point is that Linda totally does have a favorite, and I find it very hard to believe that she is unaware that she has a favorite. That said, I am damn near certain that she has herself convinced that the bad relationship between herself and Sal is completely Sal’s fault for the convenience store stuff, and she doesn’t realize it started in her court, waay earlier.
Jury’s still out for me on whether or not she’s intentionally trying to rub her favoritism in Sal’s face or if it’s more that she dotes on Walky so much that Sal is just an afterthought and like Walky she’s too oblivious to realize that Sal knows what’s up and will take it personally. Neither option speaks well to her consideration and competence as a parent.
Christine
The observation about Linda’s lack of competence as a parent is actually part of why I still wonder if she notices. Going with the “she’s too oblivious to realise that Sal notices” theory, it’s also possible that Linda is too oblivious to notice herself. After all, it’s going to be a lot easier to notice that you treat your kids differently than that you actually like one better than the other.
Cerberus
Alllll of this.
And especially on how parents seek out an excuse based in the less favored kid’s actions to justify it or try and force themselves to believe they treat their kids equally.
And if the reason a kid is less favored is because of bigotry, they will also move Heaven and Earth to find a way to convince themselves that it’s totally not that, but rather that the other kid is just “doing so much better” at… something, anything (even if it’s only due to them having more advantages due to familial support and facing less direct bigotry in their life) and that’s why they’re more worthy of affection.
The justifications get way more impressively awful when the favored child is actually doing objectively worse than the non-favored child, because nothing the non-favored child accomplishes, even if it is genuinely impressive, will be enough for them to gain their parents’ esteem.
Gordon
It’s actually a documented phenomenon with twins that parents will often arbitrarily pick a favorite. There was a quote in my developmental psychology textbook where a mother with identical twin sons basically says that she “knew right away that didn’t like me.” As in, from birth.
ischemgeek
Hi do you have secret spy cameras in my place? (My sib has failed at pretty much everything ahead has tried since high school. Still the favorite. I could win the Nobel Prize in chemistry and they would be all “that’s nice dear. Your sister is going to try kinesiology this time and you should help her because she looks up to you and blah blah blah let us talk about her all conversation. Oh, and blame you for her failure because as the eldest it is your job to ensure the youngest’s success so her failure is really yours for not giving enough guidance and support and totes not hers for not doing the work or ours for bailing her out all the time.”
Yeah.
I’m at the point now where it’s almost funny. But yeah. That’s why I am pretty sure that Sal’s folks will find a way to blame her for Walky’s failure. Because nothing is ever the favorite’sites fault.
Beth
Not always, and while in this case there is a direct favourite in some cases both children think the other is the favourite as was the case with me and my sister. My sis thought I was the favourite because I was in less trouble and I felt she was the favourite because she got more attention which I now realise was due to my parents trying to support her through a bad time in her life. In that case I don’t think my parents really had favourites. However that said it does happen and I have seen it with other families and I totally see that Walky is very much the favourite in this.
Gordon
Dumbing of Age: Proving moms and dads can be equally awful.
Well, maybe not equal… Yet.
*hopefullynever*
butts
Linda Walkerton: not quite as bad as toedad, yet
Kris
That’s not really a great tagline for her…or anyone. Toedad doesn’t just set a low bar, he leaves it on the floor for people to trip over. Basically I’m saying you can actually be a better parent than him by accident.
Spidergirl
I get the feeling that someday, someone’s gonna dig right under the bar.
Cerberus
Blaine’s staring at a photo of Toedad and is just using it in some 80s style montage as he trains to somehow top him in the awful charts.
Mr. Bulbmin
“I *must* set the bar lower . . . I can put the bar UNDERGROUND? GENIUS!”
N0083rP00F
Even easier – ship it to Australia – so far down under its on top of Ayers Rock.
Dana
I found an Australian bar in my apartment the other day while packing for a move. Somewhere in Australia right now there’s a kid I don’t envy.
Shade
Ayer’s rock isn’t even the highest point in Australia though. That goes to Mount Kosciuszko, a mountain so tall it stole it’s name from the shorter mountain next it.
Someone
If Jason’s father is anything like the last universe…
Deanatay
Blaine buried the bar ten feet underground. You have to REALLY try to be worse than him.
Mollyscribbles
Hmm. Is she better or worse than Carol?
David
You didn’t know? Toedad crossdresses as Linda in order to spread piety to two families. Autumn Walkerton was a tramp and unworthy to rear her children.
ObiKemnebi
As the offspring of a shotgun dad and a “everything wrong in your life is totally your fault and you deserve it” rest of the family, I mark Carol as worse than Toedad. Because it’s much easier to break away from the parent that physically assaults you than the one who just makes you feel like utter sh*t. And those words stay with you. Those scars take SO MUCH longer to heal and fade. You give up on the gun-toter pretty quickly, but you spend YEARS trying to convince the commentator to rethink things, to find a middle ground, to reach a point where you can both forgive each other — as if there’s something they need to forgive you for. You lose more trying to maintain that connection than you do when the bullet comes out the gun. Getting shot hurts, and it might kill you, but living with the words of others hurts worse, for longer. So… Yeah. Votes on Carol being the second worst parent in the series, after Blaine (who used physical abuse as a tool for the emotional abuse, which made the emotional abuse even more powerful and damaging).
Chris2315
Why do I get the weird feeling that Willis isn’t fond of parents?
AeromechanicalAce
Given that he’s mentioned Joyce is Autobiographical, and given recent events, it’s fairly logical to conclude he doesn’t have a very good relationship with his own parents.
Cholma
Yeah, his mom & Joyce’s mom could probably be best friends.
Cerberus
I’d say that’s likely:
http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/133847635397/i-dont-talk-to-my-mom-anymore-whenever-we-had
Ana Chronistic
Wow, the folks those second tag was written for are SO LUCKY to be completely insulated from everything bad in the world, they don’t even know
-Sentinel-
Dysfunctional families provide more drama. Know who has great parents? Dorothy. Hence why we hardly ever see them.
Leorale
“All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.” ― Tolstoy
John
People trying to make the former half of that true are responsible for an awful lot of the latter half.
Inspector Hound
Tolstoy Lied, by Rachel Kadish, if not the best book, nonetheless has the best title.
Reltzik
Nonono, Dorothy’s parents are EVIL.
By giving Dorothy so much agency and instilling in her so much drive to succeed, they have given her a complex in which she almost never dares to have fun, has impossibly high goals she is almost guaranteed to be disappointed by not achieving, and frequently misses out on essentials like sleep and knowing what day it is just in order to study.
I mean, sure, Toedad kidnapped Becky. But he didn’t give her a complex!
((… and yes, that was me being silly. Hold the flames.))
Cerberus
Heh. Nice.
Though, the funny thing is that while they support her dreams, they have also encouraged enjoying the fun as well and appreciating it. And Dorothy’s mom pushed back a bit against Linda’s hyper-my children must succeed no matter whatness:
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/forfun/
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/footforward/
Curse you Dorothy’s family and your good parentytude!
Scott John Harrison
You know who has great parents Dina.
Carolyn
Sierra’s parents seem pretty cool. Her dad even moved to block Blaine from going after Amber.
Gordon
Eh, I think it’s more statistics. There are a billion and a half ways to be a bad parent. I mean, look at the bad parents on showcase here. Your Toedads are startlingly different from your Carols, who are a whole different animal from your Blaines and your Lindas. Even if sometimes they echo each other. And that’s not even including the Randal/Sharons and Richards and Ruth’s grandfather and Naomi/Sauls and we can’t forget the Charles…es.
Being a good one is much harder. Jeremiah and Deborah are the only real examples. Though Haruka and Ryou seem pretty cool. Falyn, Reno and maybe Stacy? Hard to say.
And yes, I did skim through the Parents’ Weekend arc to find all those.
AgentKeen
It’s hard to write a long story focusing on good parents. Where’s the conflict, unless you rely on easily cleared up misunderstandings?
Like, from what we’ve seen, Amber’s mom seems pretty cool, and Sierra’s parents were more than willing to help Amber out when her dad was being aggressive, so they seem nice. The Saruyamas were pleasant (or at least quiet) enough for Sarah to want to be adopted by them. Even Dorothy’s parents seem to be pretty good ones, but they only get so much screen time to serve as a foil and raise the stakes a bit when Joyce confronted her parents.
Jaco
Not all conflict has to be with parents.
N0083rP00F
True, there is always fishing. Soooo many fishing stories *shudder*
Gordon
And not all conflict has been with parents.
Walky is struggling with grades.
Ruth and Carla with Mary.
Billie and Ruth with each other.
Joyce with her various traumas. Caused by Toedad AND Ryan.
Sarah and Dina with their social skills.
Sal was struggling with Malaya.
Amber with her various issues.
Danny and Ethan with their respective sexualities.
But when you have shitty parents, they are often the largest source of conflict in your life. It gets more pronounced in times like this where you both feel they still have a lot of control over your life, even though they aren’t close enough to exercise it.
syd
Any box in any universe has an equal chance of containing poo or containing not-poo
Reltzik
Um, no, it…
….
…. wait….
… does the microscopic excretions of dust mites count? If so, I think it’s MORE likely to have poo.
((PS that includes cereal boxes.))
Ana Chronistic
Actually, everything EVERYWHERE has 100% chance of containing poo (yes, the human version)
Jhon
“Any box in any universe has an equal chance of containing poo or containing not-poo” — This is the Bayesian doctrine of Equal Priors.
(Since when you start out, you have no idea what the actual chances are.)
But each time you open a box containing non-poo, that raises the chance that the next box will contain poo.
spriteless
No it doesn’t. That is the opposite of what happens. The more observed poo boxes the more likely unknown boxes are also poo!
Yotomoe
They didn’t even care enough to give me as much poop as you!
Dean
Walky changes majors to agronomy, uses the poop to grow prize-winning vegetables.
Reltzik
Becomes the first man stranded on Mars. Proceeds to use a nuclear heater to invent a hot tub and complain about bad disco.
Just Saying
#explainabookplotbadly 😛
N0083rP00F
bad disco raises the question, was there any good disco or at least mediocre disco?
Ana Chronistic
I’m inclined to say Graham Gouldman
MM
We’ll know if Naomi shows up and starts haranguing Ethan about letting Joyce get away before sleeping with her.
Mollyscribbles
The big ones contain sloppy manure; the small one contains Cards Against Humanity’s special edition from last Black Friday.
DarkoNeko
aaah, I saw that coming starting panel 2 😐
DarkoNeko
At least she GOT one, I guess ?
Undrave
I didn’t see Billie getting one…
DarkoNeko
Her actual name’s Jennifer, she god the big one on our right of the panels.
Neeks
I thiiiink undrave meant it like “foresee” but I could be wrong.
Undrave
Yup, that’s what I meant.