Is it gonna be like Persona midterms where they answer two multiple choice questions and are DONE FOR THE DAY NO TIME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, WEEK SQUANDERED
*clock ticks forward hours, days, months in an instant*
*Amber holds her forehead in her hand*
Ruth: You couldn’t POSSIBLY have taken out two grown men by yourself, one of whom was wearing body armor. You had to have an accomplice who knew how to deflect a ball-peen hammer.
Magician: Walky (immature but with great potential for growth)
Priestess: Dorothy (highly intelligent, but has difficulty balancing instinct and logic)
Empress: Billie (very obsessed with her image, can be motherly or destructive)
Emperor: Joe (very male, but also has a protective side)
Hierophant: Leslie (a teacher and positive role model)
Lovers: Becky (cheerful, outgoing, and a proponent of love/romance)
Chariot: Jacob (driven individual overly focused on goals) (Dorothy would also fit here, but I think she works slightly better as Priestess)
Justice: Sal (stoic and concerned with fairness)
Hermit: Sarah (prefers to hide away from others and support from a distance)
Fortune: Joyce (seize their own destiny in spite of fate and make difficult choices that change their lives)
Strength: Dina (not easily upset, shows surprising inner strength when tested)
Hanged Man: Amber (caught between two selves)
Death: Ruth (undergoing a cycle of change)
Temperance: Ethan (struggles to find a balance between life and hobbies)
Devil: Mike (seemingly uncaring, but dedicated to a cause)
Tower: Robin (arrogant character fallen from grace)
Star: Carla (an overwhelmingly positive attitude)
Moon: Mayala (projects her own fears and insecurities onto others)
Sun: Marcie (an optimistic character burdened by the crushing weight of reality)
I am thou
Thou art I
Act with integrity
No regrets
Zero
And what of the Fool?
Aubrey
The school is the fool
(Blowjob Cat is World)
CMasta
My vote is for Danny
LeslieBean4shizzle
The Fool Arcana often doesn’t represent a person but rather the team itself.
As for the Wild Card, not all Persona games include such a character (Personas 1, 2, and 2.5 did not, while Persona 5 had several Wild Cards who were also represented by other Arcanas).
Warren
Both Wild Cards in P5 are The Fool (unless there’s some new twist in Royal). The other Wild Card hides their true nature, but Loki was a high-level Fool Arcana in both P3 and P4.
Zero
By that I mean, who is the Wild Card?
King Daniel
Maybe Mary’s the Devil, and Mike’s the Fool?
anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
You all have had the wool pulled over your eyes.
The Devil is OBVIOUS.
We damn him at every turn of the story events.
Y’all know Mike’s clearly Justice. His agenda with Blaine looks more or less like what Akechi’s to [REDACTED] if Akechi had met the PT’s sooner, by Akechi’s own admission. Which is to say-idiotic ruthlessness in the pursuit of an incredibly warped and misanthropic sense of…yeah.
Kudos on your knowledge of the Major Arcana, but for that image The Tower falling down would be more applicable.
Reltzik
Is it, though?
The (upright) tower represents a catastrophe, a crumbling into chaos of what was a previously solid life/world/whatever. Which… okay, kinda fits with Mike’s heel realization. Fittingly, three stories up.
But the Hanged Man is about self-sacrifice, which fits with what came a moment later. And it’s also about being suspended between moments, between one story coming to an end and another starting, in a state of uncertainty about what comes next. Which is exactly what Willis is doing to us.
So, yeah. Sticking with Hanged Man.
I wonder how the rest of DoA’s story beats fit with the Major Arcana. I mean, half the cast would be The Fool on the first day of classes…
I found them the most accessible for a Persona newbie.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Persona 5 certainly has the most streamlined mechanics.
That said, as Shin Megami Tensei fan, I find it very odd that Persona 5 is considered a good one for newbies. The final boss is basically gibberish unless you know some deep lore.
Regalli
What, you’re saying most casuals DON’T possess a working knowledge of Gnosticism and Jungian psychology, the collective unconscious in particular? How could that possibly – okay, yeah, no, can’t finish that, P5 is pretty damn esoteric by any measure.
MatthewTheLucky
Hey, it worked for Xeno-.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Xenogears (and Xenosaga by being a semi-prequelish thing) is my favorite piece of media of all time.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Heh – I actually meant that the final boss of Persona 5 is likely a fragment of the final boss of SMT: Nocturne and part of the same Chaos vs Law battle that has been a part of the main SMT series forever as most recently demonstrated in SMT:4.
SMT – doing complex and interconnected lore only hinted at in the actual game since decades before Dark Souls (which I also adore).
But yes, one can get by with merely a working knowledge of Gnosticism and Jungian psychology.
Wraithy2773
I think it’s more that, at least up until the final stretch, Persona 5 is exceedingly approachable on both a Lore and (more importantly) gameplay level.
Then the last section hits.
…
I played Final Fantasy 9, and even that was less of a “Giant Space Flea From Nowhere” ending than Persona 5’s…
LeslieBean4shizzle
**Grin**
It isn’t “from nowhere” if you’ve played the rest of the Shin Megami Tensei franchise. See any “Order” ending therefrom.
Nono
Yeah, 3 has some really outdated mechanics. Also the male route has… some pretty problematic parts with the SLs.
4’s a good playing experience, but many of the jokes and issues really have not dated well. 5’s a little better on that front but has, in my opinion, a realm problem with character screentime balance.
4 is probably the most balanced game to start off with, in my opinion.
Persona 4 Golden is a good entry point I think personally. It is the most optimistic and upbeat, it has some sexual humour and some very awkward parts (Yosuke’s mild homophobia, Teddie’s perverted behaviour at times, the two women that can’t find love) but the characters all stand out, still has solid gameplay and some good social links going on. Also, there is some really nice family bonding in this game that to this day I still adore. Every day’s great at your Junes is a jingle that will never leave my brain because of this game.
If you find it really too upbeat for your liking, I’d go backwards and play Persona 3 Portable. Why? Because I like the FeMC better but also because it has better mechanics than the original. It has a much darker storyline than Persona 4 tonally and if you choose the male MC in particular, there is less a sense of closeness. Some of the social links the male MC has are. Very messed up in fact.
Persona 5 is a more mature game than Persona 3 or 4. It tones down on sexual humour a lot (there is still some but far less than previous games) and deals with a lot of serious issues. If you have a low tolerance for sexual humour, this is a good entry point as Persona 5 Royal is coming out soon which will have additional content. This game has a good sense of closeness and familial bonding, and has the most streamlined mechanics. However, this game does dive into dark territory FAST, and it may be triggering to some people as it does go straight into abuse and sexual harrassment topics. It does make the first boss all the more satisfying to take down though.
Didn’t get a chance to play 5, but be forewarned that 4 has a very disappointing plot because it holds your hand the entire time and does a poor job of foreshadowing. 1 and 2 might be harder to get ahold of, but 3 does a pretty damned good job of story-telling, even if you guess the twists in it. I’d second another commenter’s recommendation to grab P3P. You’ll miss out on some of the fun of 3/Fes, but the female route is really well done. Her character feels a bit more fleshed out than the male protagonist.
Bonus points. You can play P3P on the go via phone (PPSSPP) or handheld, though, uh, you’ll probably sit and play for hours at a time anyway.
Followed by Amber describing AG waking up in the Other Jail, hanging out with otherworldly beings of human cognition performing executions on sweet, lovable, innocent monsters.
Given that AG seems aware of the split more than Amber, and I had AG down with a Motivation of Responsibility, I am disappointed in her. There should have been a note, an alarm on a phone, a prominent bloody glove, something.
I’m wondering if it’s gonna get to the point where Amazi-Girl is actively trying to overtake Amber.
dralou
Given that BLAINE said to Amazi-Girl “You’re better than Amber”, I’m guessing that AG concluded that she sould give Amber more body sharetime, because Blaine is the personification of wrong.
173 thoughts on “Forgetting”
Ana Chronistic
Is it gonna be like Persona midterms where they answer two multiple choice questions and are DONE FOR THE DAY NO TIME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, WEEK SQUANDERED
*clock ticks forward hours, days, months in an instant*
*Amber holds her forehead in her hand*
Ruth: You couldn’t POSSIBLY have taken out two grown men by yourself, one of whom was wearing body armor. You had to have an accomplice who knew how to deflect a ball-peen hammer.
*slams desk*
Ruth: WHO WAS YOUr ACCOMPLICE
CMasta
Which arcana does Mike go under? Chariot seems plausible.
LeslieBean4shizzle
I had him under Devil.
Ahem. (copy paste make-up!)
Magician: Walky (immature but with great potential for growth)
Priestess: Dorothy (highly intelligent, but has difficulty balancing instinct and logic)
Empress: Billie (very obsessed with her image, can be motherly or destructive)
Emperor: Joe (very male, but also has a protective side)
Hierophant: Leslie (a teacher and positive role model)
Lovers: Becky (cheerful, outgoing, and a proponent of love/romance)
Chariot: Jacob (driven individual overly focused on goals) (Dorothy would also fit here, but I think she works slightly better as Priestess)
Justice: Sal (stoic and concerned with fairness)
Hermit: Sarah (prefers to hide away from others and support from a distance)
Fortune: Joyce (seize their own destiny in spite of fate and make difficult choices that change their lives)
Strength: Dina (not easily upset, shows surprising inner strength when tested)
Hanged Man: Amber (caught between two selves)
Death: Ruth (undergoing a cycle of change)
Temperance: Ethan (struggles to find a balance between life and hobbies)
Devil: Mike (seemingly uncaring, but dedicated to a cause)
Tower: Robin (arrogant character fallen from grace)
Star: Carla (an overwhelmingly positive attitude)
Moon: Mayala (projects her own fears and insecurities onto others)
Sun: Marcie (an optimistic character burdened by the crushing weight of reality)
Delicious Taffy
I am thou
Thou art I
Act with integrity
No regrets
Zero
And what of the Fool?
Aubrey
The school is the fool
(Blowjob Cat is World)
CMasta
My vote is for Danny
LeslieBean4shizzle
The Fool Arcana often doesn’t represent a person but rather the team itself.
As for the Wild Card, not all Persona games include such a character (Personas 1, 2, and 2.5 did not, while Persona 5 had several Wild Cards who were also represented by other Arcanas).
Warren
Both Wild Cards in P5 are The Fool (unless there’s some new twist in Royal). The other Wild Card hides their true nature, but Loki was a high-level Fool Arcana in both P3 and P4.
Zero
By that I mean, who is the Wild Card?
King Daniel
Maybe Mary’s the Devil, and Mike’s the Fool?
anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
You all have had the wool pulled over your eyes.
The Devil is OBVIOUS.
We damn him at every turn of the story events.
Aubrey
Chariot has wheels
Carla has wheels
Carla is Chariot
Eyebrow
This. You wins the internets.
Geneseepaws
I’d buy this tarot from DYW.
Rani
Y’all know Mike’s clearly Justice. His agenda with Blaine looks more or less like what Akechi’s to [REDACTED] if Akechi had met the PT’s sooner, by Akechi’s own admission. Which is to say-idiotic ruthlessness in the pursuit of an incredibly warped and misanthropic sense of…yeah.
Reltzik
Last shot we had of Mike was upside-down. Hanged Man.
CMasta
“You should be grateful.” – Munehisa Mike
Opus the Poet
Kudos on your knowledge of the Major Arcana, but for that image The Tower falling down would be more applicable.
Reltzik
Is it, though?
The (upright) tower represents a catastrophe, a crumbling into chaos of what was a previously solid life/world/whatever. Which… okay, kinda fits with Mike’s heel realization. Fittingly, three stories up.
But the Hanged Man is about self-sacrifice, which fits with what came a moment later. And it’s also about being suspended between moments, between one story coming to an end and another starting, in a state of uncertainty about what comes next. Which is exactly what Willis is doing to us.
So, yeah. Sticking with Hanged Man.
I wonder how the rest of DoA’s story beats fit with the Major Arcana. I mean, half the cast would be The Fool on the first day of classes…
Kyrik Michalowski
I need to get me a Persona game and finish it one day. Maybe 5 would be a goodone to try and finish.
TheStranger
4 or 5 would be my recommendations.
I found them the most accessible for a Persona newbie.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Persona 5 certainly has the most streamlined mechanics.
That said, as Shin Megami Tensei fan, I find it very odd that Persona 5 is considered a good one for newbies. The final boss is basically gibberish unless you know some deep lore.
Regalli
What, you’re saying most casuals DON’T possess a working knowledge of Gnosticism and Jungian psychology, the collective unconscious in particular? How could that possibly – okay, yeah, no, can’t finish that, P5 is pretty damn esoteric by any measure.
MatthewTheLucky
Hey, it worked for Xeno-.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Xenogears (and Xenosaga by being a semi-prequelish thing) is my favorite piece of media of all time.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Heh – I actually meant that the final boss of Persona 5 is likely a fragment of the final boss of SMT: Nocturne and part of the same Chaos vs Law battle that has been a part of the main SMT series forever as most recently demonstrated in SMT:4.
SMT – doing complex and interconnected lore only hinted at in the actual game since decades before Dark Souls (which I also adore).
But yes, one can get by with merely a working knowledge of Gnosticism and Jungian psychology.
Wraithy2773
I think it’s more that, at least up until the final stretch, Persona 5 is exceedingly approachable on both a Lore and (more importantly) gameplay level.
Then the last section hits.
…
I played Final Fantasy 9, and even that was less of a “Giant Space Flea From Nowhere” ending than Persona 5’s…
LeslieBean4shizzle
**Grin**
It isn’t “from nowhere” if you’ve played the rest of the Shin Megami Tensei franchise. See any “Order” ending therefrom.
Nono
Yeah, 3 has some really outdated mechanics. Also the male route has… some pretty problematic parts with the SLs.
4’s a good playing experience, but many of the jokes and issues really have not dated well. 5’s a little better on that front but has, in my opinion, a realm problem with character screentime balance.
4 is probably the most balanced game to start off with, in my opinion.
Sam
Persona 4 Golden is a good entry point I think personally. It is the most optimistic and upbeat, it has some sexual humour and some very awkward parts (Yosuke’s mild homophobia, Teddie’s perverted behaviour at times, the two women that can’t find love) but the characters all stand out, still has solid gameplay and some good social links going on. Also, there is some really nice family bonding in this game that to this day I still adore. Every day’s great at your Junes is a jingle that will never leave my brain because of this game.
If you find it really too upbeat for your liking, I’d go backwards and play Persona 3 Portable. Why? Because I like the FeMC better but also because it has better mechanics than the original. It has a much darker storyline than Persona 4 tonally and if you choose the male MC in particular, there is less a sense of closeness. Some of the social links the male MC has are. Very messed up in fact.
Persona 5 is a more mature game than Persona 3 or 4. It tones down on sexual humour a lot (there is still some but far less than previous games) and deals with a lot of serious issues. If you have a low tolerance for sexual humour, this is a good entry point as Persona 5 Royal is coming out soon which will have additional content. This game has a good sense of closeness and familial bonding, and has the most streamlined mechanics. However, this game does dive into dark territory FAST, and it may be triggering to some people as it does go straight into abuse and sexual harrassment topics. It does make the first boss all the more satisfying to take down though.
Savail
Didn’t get a chance to play 5, but be forewarned that 4 has a very disappointing plot because it holds your hand the entire time and does a poor job of foreshadowing. 1 and 2 might be harder to get ahold of, but 3 does a pretty damned good job of story-telling, even if you guess the twists in it. I’d second another commenter’s recommendation to grab P3P. You’ll miss out on some of the fun of 3/Fes, but the female route is really well done. Her character feels a bit more fleshed out than the male protagonist.
Bonus points. You can play P3P on the go via phone (PPSSPP) or handheld, though, uh, you’ll probably sit and play for hours at a time anyway.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Gah. A few weeks ago, I engaged in a lively conversation where I figured out what everyone in DoA’s Arcana were.
This is clearly meant to be now. No stopping this train. Choo Chooo!
Regalli
Followed by Amber describing AG waking up in the Other Jail, hanging out with otherworldly beings of human cognition performing executions on sweet, lovable, innocent monsters.
(What has Mothman ever done to you, Justine?)
Tan
That’s my secret, Ruth. I AM the accomplice.
Mordecai
I was initially disappointed at the tease but thank you for making me excited through a Persona discussion instead.
What would Blaine’s palace look like guys? (pls no spoilers)
Kyrik Michalowski
Goddamn you Willis.
vitalProximity
Yeah mostly that one
Doctor_Who
Every Damnation adds a day to Willis’ buffer and a Hot Shot to his Hot Shot shrine.
MK15
Tomorrow, guest strip from J.J. of Dina eating cereal.
Charlie Spencer
“Teacher says, every time Willis is damned, an angel gets sodomized!”
ego
please bear in mind that it is the angels and not the sodomites who are the villains in that story.
showler
This is beginning to feel like Willis’ way of beating into people’s head the concept that Amber and Amazi-girl are two different people.
Keulen
Yes, this so very much.
JayEssay
Argh. The suspense is awful! 😛
vitalProximity
God dammit Amber
vitalProximity
Is this a new record of most original comments in the 1st 10 minutes?
Diane
Or, you know, someone’s possibly dead, kinda important too.
James
What’s the protocol of informing your DID alter ego that one of their closest long-time friends is dead or seriously injured, a note? Sympathy card?
Regalli
Singing telegram.
Doctor_Who
Eliminate the extra steps.
Regalli
Precisely the clip I wanted, thank you!
Reltzik
Shared diary, I think.
Kat
Given that AG seems aware of the split more than Amber, and I had AG down with a Motivation of Responsibility, I am disappointed in her. There should have been a note, an alarm on a phone, a prominent bloody glove, something.
Dean
Message written in blood on the ceiling over their bed.
BBCC
You can’t forget what you don’t know about, and it’s been a while since AG and Amber shared memories.
vitalProximity
Okay but I wish they would start leaving each other notes or something 🙁
BBCC
That would be nice, before AG wakes up with Danny in her bed or (fingers crossed he won’t) Mike dies.
vitalProximity
… Before I got to the last word there, I want expecting there to be one.
Mr D phone posting
I think by this point it is more likely that Amber will go to sleep after jumping Wally and AG will wake up next to he who so sculpted of caramel.
Mr D phone posting
Walky not Wally, damn autocorrect
BBCC
Fuck, I meant Walky. My bad.
thejeff
At least she knows they’ve been making out now. It won’t be a complete surprise.
Hugo Bedward
I’m wondering if it’s gonna get to the point where Amazi-Girl is actively trying to overtake Amber.
dralou
Given that BLAINE said to Amazi-Girl “You’re better than Amber”, I’m guessing that AG concluded that she sould give Amber more body sharetime, because Blaine is the personification of wrong.
Beef
willis pls ?
Nono
Guess we’ve just stopped in the middle of this terminal situation.
Thulcandran
DAMN YOU WILLIS
Passchendaele
the ideal feeling, those five seconds of bliss between waking up and remembering you have midterms
Bagge
Will Walky pass math? The draaaaaaama!
Ursla Davina
Meh he will probably get a C- also is Mike okay or at least alive I dont do the patreon so I don’t know.
vitalProximity
Lol do you think they know? They’re only one day ahead, we probably won’t find out for like a month :/
BBCC
Sorry, we’re sworn to secrecy on all future strips.
You can totally ask us about bonus strips though, those are fair game. Irrelevant to Mike’s survival, but fair game.
Nono
Did Carla pie Mike’s face, this is very important.