Dumbing of Age, Book of Revelations: MY MOMMY IS HAVING CAKE
(I mean, shit, if I believed I could get in just on the basis of I want to get in rather than passing an arbitrarily graded test of “Am I actually a Good Person or do I just want to be rewarded” then I would totes be down for being able to eat whatever I want without gettin’ barfy [almost missed trout, but the last one I had wasn’t tasty enough to offset the throat constriction])
Wait a minute, maybe it actually COULD be vented sexual frustration. Who knows?
Clif
Sometimes a cake is just a cake.
Wagstaff
Well, Becky referring to sex or just cake are definitely both more desirable than her trying to pick Joyce’s brain.
This can go any number of directions, but I sure hope that it isn’t the latter.
Well, I guess that’s gonna happen sooner or later, but why else would the next arc be called “Sister Christian”?
Wagstaff
I dunno, it just seems a little bit out of place for Becky to suddenly become obsessed with cake of all things with such an intensity (that we’ve seldom seen elsewhere).
That, and there’s other reason to suspect this is intimate frustration we’re seeing.
David M Willis
jesus christ guys it’s a birthday party, you get fucking cake for a birthday party
Wagstaff
Why would icing make you barf?
Jeremy Betts
Evidently you’ve never eaten too much icing in one sitting
y3k
If you’ve never eaten enough sugar for your body to violently reject every decision you’ve ever made, then you have never truly lived.
marcus erronius
A lot of it. At once.
Delicious Taffy
Somebody fucked it. Obviously. It’s like nobody’s ever been to a birthday party, around here.
Jason
My best friend, husband and I recently met for a coffee and cake evening. (Which highlighted for me how strongly differently my husband and I- both with ADHD- process coffee differently, as my best friend was close to vibrating in place while my husband and I were falling asleep. But that’s not the point.)
We had two cakes, we all had a slice of each, and my husband and I were both… not barfy, but definitely feeling like it. Like we would prefer to be just to get it over and out.
Sadly nearing middle age apparently comes with a much lower cake limit and I can’t say I approve.
Reltzik
…. but we are for some reason specifying that it’s a fucking cake.
…. I mean it’s a normal turn of phrase, but in the context of this thread it’s a bit double-entendre.
One assumes that the term fucking cake refers to a cake eaten to celebrate an enjoyable act of copulation rather than a cake which is actually indulging in the act of [Whatever the French call it. ***]
*** Probably the English ballet.
But in French.
Alan Lafond
Unless you’re my daughter. 😛
She doesn’t like cake, so generally we go with other desserts for her. Usually a peach pie, for example.
Twitcher
It was my birthday four days ago. I wanted, wanted, wanted a damn coca-cola cake. It’s been on my mind for literal years. It was good, nice and moist, but the only thing I regret is that it wasn’t chocolate, as that is supposed to really bring out the caramel flavor of coke. Ah well, next year. The point being, @Wagstaff, if you are going to have a birthday, even and especially if you are only having it as a distraction from being sad, the person you are having it for (Becky) is entitled to the sweet of their choice. When my mom died, I got Haribo Gold Bears.
Wagstaff
I get that. It just seemed a little out of character for Becky to get that angry that fast over cake of all things.
But I could see why she would escalate that fast. Manipulative and abusive environments are full of unacknowledged and even prohibited emotions. The exact emotions vary from group to group, but anger is commonly prohibited. In healthy environments, we develop the ability to express our anger in gradual degrees appropriate to the situation. But when anger is chronically repressed, expression becomes less like a volume dial, more like an on/off switch.
Yumi
My read on her anger is way different than yours because she doesn’t actually seem seriously angry to me. It’s more intensity than anger, and I think even that is just heightened for comedic effect/banter. Like, it’s normal to play at getting serious about things that don’t actually matter with friends. And here it’s a situation where, yeah, there are a lot of emotional factors, but this isn’t actually Becky angry.
Wagstaff
I guess I should have used the word “intensity”. But the same basic principle described works with any emotion.
Z
Joyce is her closest friend and is probably one of the few people she feels safe to let much guard down. Considering how much she’s coping with and seems to be repressing,honestly it makes sense that she’ll go a little batshit over anything she feels safe enough to show upset over.
Leorale
The intensity made perfect sense to me. When she imagines her dead mom eating cake in heaven, that helps comfort some of her grief, so nobody is allowed to threaten or negate that comforting image.
S.R.
I think it’s more the concept that her mom in Heaven is too inhuman to want cake that’s the problem.
This sounds like it could be a Twilight Zone episode… character dies and goes to heaven, everything is perfect, character is having a great time, then at some point character asks where to get some cake, and an angel smiles and says “Oh, we don’t have any cake here,” and then the music gets creepy and the camera zooms in on the character’s face who then says “WAIT, WHERE AM I??”
There was a short AU scene in The Simpsons once where Homer’s life is perfect: He lives in a mansion; his kids are well-behaved and respect him… everything seems perfect until he asks for a doughnut.
They’ve never heard of doughnuts.
He shrieks and runs out, leaving for another world in another attempt to get back to his own.
Meanwhile, AU Marge looks out the window. “Oh,” she says, “It’s raining.”
That’s actually really annoying and frustrating. I don’t get the appeal big a story you have to treat like a state secret.
Yumi
There’s a big reveal at the end of the first season that really changes things going forward, but I feel like you could at least give the premise of the first season to someone. If you’re trying to get them to watch it and they’re not sold based on that, the twist doesn’t make the first season unwatchable if known.
On a wider scale, some people just really hate spoilers, or at least think media is more fun to engage in without them. I do think it’s annoying when those people decide for others what they can know going in and get really insistent about it.
Delicious Taffy
It gets to the point sometimes where I feel like even saying the name of a show or game is treated as a hardcore spoiler. You’re right, of course, that some people prefer to go into their stories totally blind, and I agree that it’s irritating when they make that everyone else’s problem.
milu
Oooh I feel so called out!
OK the film was thinking of a few days ago was Coppola’s The Conversation. Real good film ^^
BTW someone told me recently that during some lockdown in NYC the city wrote huge spoilers of popular shows in big letters on city displays to discourage people from going out XD …it has to be an urban legend. But its so good, I don’t want to check. Please disregard my hedging and treat it as fact
Proto
I mean, if I told you about a movie you have to see but said it’s because of a twist the experience would inevitably be compromised/ changed because when you watched you’d be constantly looking for the twist (or even if you weren’t actively looking for one, whenever it came you wouldn’t be surprised). So even though I understand the frustration, I also totally get the idea of people being super secretive about the plot of something.
What I know is mostly that it takes place in Heaven and there might be infinite angel food with no consequences, and also it apparently has neat philosophical takes or something.
As someone who’s never actually understood Heaven, despite being Christian, it sounded like I’d get something out of it. Just have never gotten around to it.
milu
i thought the philosophical content was unimpressive, not because, like, i know philosophy (i don’t) and i did in fact learn a few things (eg.: “Who died and left Plato in charge? —…Socrates!!!”), but the stories will always prioritize rule of funny and rule of drama over philosophical gristle, which is good actually because it makes it a really fun show =) it’s just not as deep as it pretends to be.
Delicious Taffy
I’ve rarely ingested a piece of media that was as deep as it pretended to be. Not to be pretentious.
Wagstaff
Anime seems really deep much of the time, and I don’t think they’re even trying to be.
Wagstaff
At least, the ones I watch…
Delicious Taffy
Not really sureGhost Stories and Death Note are gonna be rewriting any worldviews any time soon.
Wagstaff
I was thinking more along the lines of SAO: Alicization and Attack on Titan.
Delicious Taffy
Can’t say anything about SAO after the first couple of arcs. Attack on Titan, on the other hand, is about as shallow as they come. It’s deliberately engineered to seem deep and stuff, but that’s because nobody ever shuts the hell up in it, so the audience’s brains naturally go “Well, they’re saying a lot of stuff and it’s taking a long time, so this must be really meaningful”. Truthfully, Power Rangers Ninja Storm has more philosophical depth.
Wagstaff
As for Attack on Titan, I may have been thinking of a few episodes of the later seasons.
Delicious Taffy
Wait, the later seasons? Maybe our personal perspectives are just really different in a few ways, because I’ve been catching up on Season 3 on, and it honestly comes off more trite than ever. It went from “war bad” to “war bad and also please don’t do a Holocaust”, which are good points and all, but they’re not explored in any sort of interesting way. Just ninety-nine minutes of people screaming platitudes about the human spirit at each other, with an episode’s worth of cool monster fights sprinkled in there in 30-second chunks.
Wagstaff
If only ODM gear were possible in the real world….
What do you think about the philosophy of Hunter x Hunter?
Delicious Taffy
I have no thoughts on Hunter × Hunter, having never knowingly seen even a brief clip from it. It’s been recommended to me a lot, but when people do that with media, I reflexively reject it, even when I’m sure it’s probably fine. It took until like February of this year for me to check out JoJo because of that.
Wagstaff
Tell me, what are your favorite anime? Do they at all overlap with the ones you think are deep, with or without trying to be?
Delicious Taffy
Admittedly, I was being pretty snarky with the shows I mentioned in the first reply, and I of course don’t fault you for liking Attack on Titan. It’s perfectly watchable, and like I said I’m catching up to it, so I don’t want it to come across like a lack of depth is a reason for me to dislike a show.
That said, my favorite anime shows are Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokémon, Digimon Adventure, Re:Zero (probably the newest one I’ve seen), and Spider Riders. Of the bunch, they’re more or less all pretty shallow, but Spider Riders is the one I’d call the most philosophically deep. As for anime I actually consider deep? To continue the trend of honesty, I haven’t really seen any, on account of not seeking out that sort of story for entertainment.
milu
i mean, to be completely fair “how deep” a work is is wildly subjective. i should’ve said that. some people obviously got a lot of brain workout from TGP and while i didn’t, for whatever reason, and i could definitely (and would gladly) argue about the consistency of certain plot points or how certain questions do or don’t get addressed etc, clearly my sweeping statement about its overall depth was unnecessarily mean.
but anyway, yeah i’ve definitely encountered works that i thought were in fact as deep as it said on the box, by which i mean that were advertised as or acclaimed for being complex and ambiguous and making you think a whole bunch of thoughts, and it did that for me. TGP didn’t do that for me. but again, who cares =D
Delicious Taffy
I agree with you about (perceived) depth being very subjective.
milu
(and by “i would gladly” i mean i absolutely have written several thousand words debating TGP’s lack of philosophical consistency in youtube comment threads) (so i guess by that yardstick TGP DID get my brain churning, just mostly in arguing that imo it wasn’t good philosophically lol)
Delicious Taffy
lol
I only know about it at all from memes and a Quinton Reviews video about the show. So technically, I “know what happens”, in the broader scale, I just haven’t watched it or seen much discussion that wasn’t buried under spoiler tags.
milu
well, yeah. the season 1 finale twist is both really cool (therefore worth protecting) and really important plot-wise (therefore hard not to discuss).
…but if you’re into in-depth discussions of media you haven’t seen, and you don’t care about spoilers, i recommend Big Joel’s video essay. i essentially agree with all his points.
This may be a bit removed from the post intended to respond to, but it is The Good Place, not specifically Heaven (or it would be called that). There are some elements of Heaven and also some elements of other things, but it’s still an interesting watch even if you don’t believe in any religion… I went in to the show not liking the setting (I don’t really like the Heaven/Hell setting in general), and I do think it ultimately has the “correct” ending for the setting that was established, for all the philosophical hoops it goes through.
Jeez Becky, don’t you think you are pushing too hard? I mean, maybe your mom didn’t want cake. Also, don’t get barfy over frosting, there are much better reasons.
230 thoughts on “Cake”
Ana Chronistic
Dumbing of Age, Book of Revelations: MY MOMMY IS HAVING CAKE
(I mean, shit, if I believed I could get in just on the basis of I want to get in rather than passing an arbitrarily graded test of “Am I actually a Good Person or do I just want to be rewarded” then I would totes be down for being able to eat whatever I want without gettin’ barfy [almost missed trout, but the last one I had wasn’t tasty enough to offset the throat constriction])
Clif
DOA Revelations: What Kind of Crappy-Assed Heaven Doesn’t Have Cake
Reltzik
DoA Book of Regurgitations: I Will Be Gettin’ Barfy.
Wagstaff
I didn’t know cake meant that much to Becky!
Or is “cake” just code for something else?
Like that “call it *ice cream*” scene from Hey Arnold?
RassilonTDavros
I mean…
Wagstaff
I was originally thinking that Becky was trying to pick Joyce’s brain or something.
But your suggestion definitely sounds a lot more desirable!!!
Thag Simmons
I’ve seen multiple people seemingly independently use ‘cake’ as a euphemism for sex, so it might be.
Delicious Taffy
Cake is all sorts of things. Sex, asses, some kind of pastry I think…
Durandal_1707
… a lie …
(c’mon, someone was inevitably going to do it, may as well be me)
Reltzik
Apropos.
Wagstaff
Icing….. LMAO
Wait a minute, maybe it actually COULD be vented sexual frustration. Who knows?
Clif
Sometimes a cake is just a cake.
Wagstaff
Well, Becky referring to sex or just cake are definitely both more desirable than her trying to pick Joyce’s brain.
This can go any number of directions, but I sure hope that it isn’t the latter.
Well, I guess that’s gonna happen sooner or later, but why else would the next arc be called “Sister Christian”?
Wagstaff
I dunno, it just seems a little bit out of place for Becky to suddenly become obsessed with cake of all things with such an intensity (that we’ve seldom seen elsewhere).
That, and there’s other reason to suspect this is intimate frustration we’re seeing.
David M Willis
jesus christ guys it’s a birthday party, you get fucking cake for a birthday party
Wagstaff
Why would icing make you barf?
Jeremy Betts
Evidently you’ve never eaten too much icing in one sitting
y3k
If you’ve never eaten enough sugar for your body to violently reject every decision you’ve ever made, then you have never truly lived.
marcus erronius
A lot of it. At once.
Delicious Taffy
Somebody fucked it. Obviously. It’s like nobody’s ever been to a birthday party, around here.
Jason
My best friend, husband and I recently met for a coffee and cake evening. (Which highlighted for me how strongly differently my husband and I- both with ADHD- process coffee differently, as my best friend was close to vibrating in place while my husband and I were falling asleep. But that’s not the point.)
We had two cakes, we all had a slice of each, and my husband and I were both… not barfy, but definitely feeling like it. Like we would prefer to be just to get it over and out.
Sadly nearing middle age apparently comes with a much lower cake limit and I can’t say I approve.
Reltzik
…. but we are for some reason specifying that it’s a fucking cake.
…. I mean it’s a normal turn of phrase, but in the context of this thread it’s a bit double-entendre.
milu
“let them eat FUCKING cake”
—alt-history Marie-Antoinette
Clif
One assumes that the term fucking cake refers to a cake eaten to celebrate an enjoyable act of copulation rather than a cake which is actually indulging in the act of [Whatever the French call it. ***]
*** Probably the English ballet.
But in French.
Alan Lafond
Unless you’re my daughter. 😛
She doesn’t like cake, so generally we go with other desserts for her. Usually a peach pie, for example.
Twitcher
It was my birthday four days ago. I wanted, wanted, wanted a damn coca-cola cake. It’s been on my mind for literal years. It was good, nice and moist, but the only thing I regret is that it wasn’t chocolate, as that is supposed to really bring out the caramel flavor of coke. Ah well, next year. The point being, @Wagstaff, if you are going to have a birthday, even and especially if you are only having it as a distraction from being sad, the person you are having it for (Becky) is entitled to the sweet of their choice. When my mom died, I got Haribo Gold Bears.
Wagstaff
I get that. It just seemed a little out of character for Becky to get that angry that fast over cake of all things.
But I could see why she would escalate that fast. Manipulative and abusive environments are full of unacknowledged and even prohibited emotions. The exact emotions vary from group to group, but anger is commonly prohibited. In healthy environments, we develop the ability to express our anger in gradual degrees appropriate to the situation. But when anger is chronically repressed, expression becomes less like a volume dial, more like an on/off switch.
Yumi
My read on her anger is way different than yours because she doesn’t actually seem seriously angry to me. It’s more intensity than anger, and I think even that is just heightened for comedic effect/banter. Like, it’s normal to play at getting serious about things that don’t actually matter with friends. And here it’s a situation where, yeah, there are a lot of emotional factors, but this isn’t actually Becky angry.
Wagstaff
I guess I should have used the word “intensity”. But the same basic principle described works with any emotion.
Z
Joyce is her closest friend and is probably one of the few people she feels safe to let much guard down. Considering how much she’s coping with and seems to be repressing,honestly it makes sense that she’ll go a little batshit over anything she feels safe enough to show upset over.
Leorale
The intensity made perfect sense to me. When she imagines her dead mom eating cake in heaven, that helps comfort some of her grief, so nobody is allowed to threaten or negate that comforting image.
S.R.
I think it’s more the concept that her mom in Heaven is too inhuman to want cake that’s the problem.
Jade
And sometimes it is not a cake
??
Levantoni
But who’d get barfy from sex? during pregnancy, might happen. Is there pregnancy in heaven? maybe that’s the real meaning of being reborn?
Wagstaff
Eating icing of all things seems more a euphemism to “eating out” your partner.
Proto_Eevee
if heaven doesn’t have cake, then heaven is more like hell
AbacusWizard
This sounds like it could be a Twilight Zone episode… character dies and goes to heaven, everything is perfect, character is having a great time, then at some point character asks where to get some cake, and an angel smiles and says “Oh, we don’t have any cake here,” and then the music gets creepy and the camera zooms in on the character’s face who then says “WAIT, WHERE AM I??”
milu
…”we do have a kajillion flavours of froyo, though” the angel continues.
FWKnight
“….Oh I get it… I get it… THIS… IS THE BAD PLACE!”
Deanatay
Actually, I think this was done as a Got Milk commercial back in 1995.
Yep, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eph6_fz49rc
Kryss LaBryn
There was a short AU scene in The Simpsons once where Homer’s life is perfect: He lives in a mansion; his kids are well-behaved and respect him… everything seems perfect until he asks for a doughnut.
They’ve never heard of doughnuts.
He shrieks and runs out, leaving for another world in another attempt to get back to his own.
Meanwhile, AU Marge looks out the window. “Oh,” she says, “It’s raining.”
Outside, doughnuts fall to the grass.
youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DFJBwZchE
Sirksome
Maybe heaven is actually just nothing but cake. You’re cake, I’m cake, it’ll be like twitter in 2020 when everything was actually cake.
Yumi
That’s probably what Paul meant, yeah.
Jamie
I’m supposed to watch The Good Place someday. I feel like there are harmonic vibes around that.
Delicious Taffy
Is that one of those shows you can’t talk about online because every single innoccuous clip is somehow a spoiler? That’s the impression I’ve gotten.
Uly
Indeed, it is.
I’ve already said too much.
Delicious Taffy
That’s actually really annoying and frustrating. I don’t get the appeal big a story you have to treat like a state secret.
Yumi
There’s a big reveal at the end of the first season that really changes things going forward, but I feel like you could at least give the premise of the first season to someone. If you’re trying to get them to watch it and they’re not sold based on that, the twist doesn’t make the first season unwatchable if known.
On a wider scale, some people just really hate spoilers, or at least think media is more fun to engage in without them. I do think it’s annoying when those people decide for others what they can know going in and get really insistent about it.
Delicious Taffy
It gets to the point sometimes where I feel like even saying the name of a show or game is treated as a hardcore spoiler. You’re right, of course, that some people prefer to go into their stories totally blind, and I agree that it’s irritating when they make that everyone else’s problem.
milu
Oooh I feel so called out!
OK the film was thinking of a few days ago was Coppola’s The Conversation. Real good film ^^
BTW someone told me recently that during some lockdown in NYC the city wrote huge spoilers of popular shows in big letters on city displays to discourage people from going out XD …it has to be an urban legend. But its so good, I don’t want to check. Please disregard my hedging and treat it as fact
Proto
I mean, if I told you about a movie you have to see but said it’s because of a twist the experience would inevitably be compromised/ changed because when you watched you’d be constantly looking for the twist (or even if you weren’t actively looking for one, whenever it came you wouldn’t be surprised). So even though I understand the frustration, I also totally get the idea of people being super secretive about the plot of something.
Thag Simmons
Unfortunate result of being a fast paced show with a lot of plot twisting and revelations about the nature of the shows’ setting
Jamie
What I know is mostly that it takes place in Heaven and there might be infinite angel food with no consequences, and also it apparently has neat philosophical takes or something.
As someone who’s never actually understood Heaven, despite being Christian, it sounded like I’d get something out of it. Just have never gotten around to it.
milu
i thought the philosophical content was unimpressive, not because, like, i know philosophy (i don’t) and i did in fact learn a few things (eg.: “Who died and left Plato in charge? —…Socrates!!!”), but the stories will always prioritize rule of funny and rule of drama over philosophical gristle, which is good actually because it makes it a really fun show =) it’s just not as deep as it pretends to be.
Delicious Taffy
I’ve rarely ingested a piece of media that was as deep as it pretended to be. Not to be pretentious.
Wagstaff
Anime seems really deep much of the time, and I don’t think they’re even trying to be.
Wagstaff
At least, the ones I watch…
Delicious Taffy
Not really sureGhost Stories and Death Note are gonna be rewriting any worldviews any time soon.
Wagstaff
I was thinking more along the lines of SAO: Alicization and Attack on Titan.
Delicious Taffy
Can’t say anything about SAO after the first couple of arcs. Attack on Titan, on the other hand, is about as shallow as they come. It’s deliberately engineered to seem deep and stuff, but that’s because nobody ever shuts the hell up in it, so the audience’s brains naturally go “Well, they’re saying a lot of stuff and it’s taking a long time, so this must be really meaningful”. Truthfully, Power Rangers Ninja Storm has more philosophical depth.
Wagstaff
As for Attack on Titan, I may have been thinking of a few episodes of the later seasons.
Delicious Taffy
Wait, the later seasons? Maybe our personal perspectives are just really different in a few ways, because I’ve been catching up on Season 3 on, and it honestly comes off more trite than ever. It went from “war bad” to “war bad and also please don’t do a Holocaust”, which are good points and all, but they’re not explored in any sort of interesting way. Just ninety-nine minutes of people screaming platitudes about the human spirit at each other, with an episode’s worth of cool monster fights sprinkled in there in 30-second chunks.
Wagstaff
If only ODM gear were possible in the real world….
What do you think about the philosophy of Hunter x Hunter?
Delicious Taffy
I have no thoughts on Hunter × Hunter, having never knowingly seen even a brief clip from it. It’s been recommended to me a lot, but when people do that with media, I reflexively reject it, even when I’m sure it’s probably fine. It took until like February of this year for me to check out JoJo because of that.
Wagstaff
Tell me, what are your favorite anime? Do they at all overlap with the ones you think are deep, with or without trying to be?
Delicious Taffy
Admittedly, I was being pretty snarky with the shows I mentioned in the first reply, and I of course don’t fault you for liking Attack on Titan. It’s perfectly watchable, and like I said I’m catching up to it, so I don’t want it to come across like a lack of depth is a reason for me to dislike a show.
That said, my favorite anime shows are Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokémon, Digimon Adventure, Re:Zero (probably the newest one I’ve seen), and Spider Riders. Of the bunch, they’re more or less all pretty shallow, but Spider Riders is the one I’d call the most philosophically deep. As for anime I actually consider deep? To continue the trend of honesty, I haven’t really seen any, on account of not seeking out that sort of story for entertainment.
milu
i mean, to be completely fair “how deep” a work is is wildly subjective. i should’ve said that. some people obviously got a lot of brain workout from TGP and while i didn’t, for whatever reason, and i could definitely (and would gladly) argue about the consistency of certain plot points or how certain questions do or don’t get addressed etc, clearly my sweeping statement about its overall depth was unnecessarily mean.
but anyway, yeah i’ve definitely encountered works that i thought were in fact as deep as it said on the box, by which i mean that were advertised as or acclaimed for being complex and ambiguous and making you think a whole bunch of thoughts, and it did that for me. TGP didn’t do that for me. but again, who cares =D
Delicious Taffy
I agree with you about (perceived) depth being very subjective.
milu
(and by “i would gladly” i mean i absolutely have written several thousand words debating TGP’s lack of philosophical consistency in youtube comment threads) (so i guess by that yardstick TGP DID get my brain churning, just mostly in arguing that imo it wasn’t good philosophically lol)
Delicious Taffy
lol
I only know about it at all from memes and a Quinton Reviews video about the show. So technically, I “know what happens”, in the broader scale, I just haven’t watched it or seen much discussion that wasn’t buried under spoiler tags.
milu
well, yeah. the season 1 finale twist is both really cool (therefore worth protecting) and really important plot-wise (therefore hard not to discuss).
…but if you’re into in-depth discussions of media you haven’t seen, and you don’t care about spoilers, i recommend Big Joel’s video essay. i essentially agree with all his points.
Ana Chronistic
This may be a bit removed from the post intended to respond to, but it is The Good Place, not specifically Heaven (or it would be called that). There are some elements of Heaven and also some elements of other things, but it’s still an interesting watch even if you don’t believe in any religion… I went in to the show not liking the setting (I don’t really like the Heaven/Hell setting in general), and I do think it ultimately has the “correct” ending for the setting that was established, for all the philosophical hoops it goes through.
Kyrik Michalowski
Jeez Becky, don’t you think you are pushing too hard? I mean, maybe your mom didn’t want cake. Also, don’t get barfy over frosting, there are much better reasons.
Fart Captor
HER MOM WILL GET EVERY CAKE ?
Ryek Hvek