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The Dumbing of Age Book 10 Kickstarter, for the 236-paged Renounce Magical Thinking and Embrace Empirical Evidence, has just passed $49k! When it reaches $50K, we unlock the tenth magnet, HOSTAGE SARAH! She's new art. Hot dang.
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Ana Chronistic
Untitled Dina Design
Clif
Hompk!
Demoted Oblivious
An interesting idea, but it seems to conflate the oral/vocal capabilities of things with beaks and things with jaws. That doesn’t strike me as terribly consistent. As well, birds are descendants of theropods, so sauropods may again be completely different vocally.
ischemgeek
The further away you go from Aves the less bird-like dinosaurs were in anatomy generally, so their vocal resonances would have been different.
It’s very unlikely a titanosaur would have sounded like a bird. But raptors – and especially the stem birds I’d guess sounded quite bird-like.
To say nothing of the great diversity of vocal abilities in modern birds – there’s no evidence to suggest dinosaurs didn’t communicate with sound and quite a bit to suggest many would have been very social (not all to be sure but dinosaurs were probably more diverse than mammals are now, allowing a wide array of body plans and ecological niches from herding herbivores to solitary apex predators and everything in between). Given the wide diversity of vocalizations in modern birds which exhibit a small shadow of the clade’s former diversity, it’s very unlikely to say only a single sound would have represented an anger or hunting call.
Tl;de: Both. Both is good. 😛
anonymousethatscurriesinthedarkness
Attack of the Cobra-chickens
Needfuldoer
[Speech bubble with the DoA favicon in it]
Sirksome
Ah it all makes sense now.
Sirksome
Also we need to talk about Dina’s new power to apparently change shirts in less than an instant.
Nono
She’s holding it in front of her, like when people try on shirts without changing clothes.
Yumi
She’s not wearing the shirt in the last panel, just holding it up to her body.
Switchchris23
she was just laying the shirt over herself, like how you would look in the mirror to see how a shirt looks on you without trying it on.
Sirksome
Well now I’m just disappointed Dina doesn’t have a new power. Thanks everybody for correcting me (and taking a little bit of joy from my life.) *The last part is partial sarcasm*
RassilonTDavros
Hate to be that guy, but she’s actually just laying it on top of her body to make sure it’s roughly the right size, not actually wearing it. Only Becky can defy the laws of shirt physics.
Sirksome
This reminds me of all the shit the comments gave Becky for destroying Carol’s dress in that moment. I wonder how peeps feel about that now? I mean it’s still kind of a jerk move, but Carol definitely deserved that and more in my opinion.
RassilonTDavros
Did… did people actually think she’d destroyed it? Did they not realize it was a momentary burst of cartoon physics? (checks old comments) Apparently so. Huh.
And yeah, I have pretty much no sympathy for Carol. I dread the day she returns to the strip with some new plan to “save” Joyce and/or Becky (and/or Jocelyne, Cheese forbid). Maybe she’ll do one of those villain team-up things with (racks brain for villains who aren’t dead) Ruth’s shithead of a grandfather.
…actually, that could lead to some terrifying shit. Carol having Howard’s well-being to hold over Ruth, who technically has authority over Joyce and Becky, therefore giving Carol a way to enforce her will over them… would bode poorly indeed.
Sirksome
I don’t think it would be quite as easy for Carol to team up with Clint. Ross and Blaine was kind of a perfect storm. Ross was already in jail for a pretty high profile incident, and Blaine was a criminal. Clint is just a retired veteran and Carol a stay at home mom. Neither seem connected enough to form an effective alliance with each other.
Clif
Just when you think there are some people you can never underestimate, they can surprise you.
Wagstaff
Remember who came close to winning that “who would win in a fight” pole.
Needfuldoer
Like I said at the time, Carol was probably just going to burn it anyway.
Demoted Oblivious
They’re all wrong. Dina, through osmosis with Becky has learned how to do ‘tear-a-way’ latered clothes as with the church dress. Here she simply reversed the process.
Demoted Oblivious
Ugh, *layered
Nono
So wait, if dinosaurs were early geese, does that mean they were mean jerks?
Rose by Any Other Name
I mean, yeah, probably. The predators anyway.
Speaking of which – why does all science!art use the silliest birds for their bird!dino drawings? Eagles and falcons are also birds, and they are already badass. A feathered velociraptor would look sick as hell with hawk-style feathers and markings.
eskimolos
I think it comes down to beak shape? The more ridiculous looking birds often have beaks that look more like they do on dino bones. Also, to counter the, I suppose it could be considered elitism, of the 90s that envisioned dragon lizards.
Demoted Oblivious
There was a genetic edit study done on… chickens, I think, where they removed or disabled the genes for beaks, and the baby chicks grew normal dinosaur looking mouths, full of teeth.
So I agree with your sentiment that maybe people are matching beaks to jaws and extrapolating, but it seems clearly a misguided notion.
Edwin I Callahan
Check out some of the illustrated dinosaur coffee table books like the Dinosaur Art series or the Dinosaur Facts and Figures set. The ‘raptor’ types in particular look hawk-life with their feathered long arms and long tails. They were still sticking with the mouths-full of REALLY sharp teeth, so no beaks.
And, yes, they look sick as hell, particularly the man-sized or larger versions.
Deanatay
Oh yeah. And now, considerably more terrifying. (I will never get over being bitten on the nose by a goose when I was 8. Evil, evil birds.)
Jhon
If that was a nesting goose, you got off lightly.
Thag Simmons
Dinosaurs are an exceptionally diverse group of animals that would have made a variety of sounds depending on the species.
But yes some of them absolutely would have honked
King Daniel
Yeah, while some dinosaurs were indeed early birds (birds being the only still-living dinosaur clade after all), the likes of Stegosaurus, Brontosaurus, or Euoplocephalus could not really be meaningfully said to be “avian” any more than one could use that word to describe – say – crocodiles and tuataras.
Kamino Neko
Well, I’ve seen some people who extend ‘avian’ to the entirety of avemetatarsalia…but, yeah, it’s usually restricted to a subgroup of the maniraptorans.
King Daniel
Yeah, IMO folding in even “just” the avemetatarsalians would render the term “avian” so broad as to be effectively useless.
milu
Wait what? i thought “avian” as in “all non-avian dinosaurs went extinct at the K-Pg boundary” referred to the clade “Aves” which literally just means bird?? some people use it differently? do you have any sources for this?
King Daniel
TL;DR “dinosaurs were early birds” isn’t the full truth, as while all early birds were dinosaurs, not all dinosaurs were early birds. (Most weren’t, even by the loosest definition!)
Wagstaff
If I’m not mistaken, current evidence suggests that only the Archaeopteryx was the ancestor of modern birds. All others went extinct; after the meteor strike blocked out the sun and severely reduced the food supply, no creature weighing more than fifty pounds was able to survive.
Owlmirror
Archaeopteryx was a small dinosaur clearly related to birds, but a cousin-species (like many other cousin-species); off to one side, not directly ancestral.
These are the lecture notes and phylogenetic tree by an actual dinosaur professor:
https://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/G104/lectures/104eumani.html
Wagstaff
Thank you for providing such a marvelous resource for further dinosaur related discussion on this site!
By the way, have you been here before?
milu
i’ve always thought the PBS Eons series seemed well made (you can tell a science show is legit by the awfulness of their puns) but it’s nice to see an actual dinosaur prof endorse it =) (wait— does your professor have elbow patches??!)
davidbreslin101
A paleontologist who specialised in the orgins of birds once said that her least favourite question from the public was “So, which one was the first bird?” She said she really struggled to get across that it was a continuous process, so there was never an exact moment when a dinsoaur lineage went from Definitely Not Bird to Definitely Bird.
milu
“Reality is a continuum” may be the single most obviously useful concept most people never seem willing to accept. Philosophers and scientists keep pushing it, but it never seems to catch on. It’s a bit frustrating.
milu
yeah, maybe Dina’s dumbing it down here. I guess she’s probably more interested in theropods than in other dinosaurs, at least as far as role-playing them goes, and while saying “theropods are early birds” is still wrong it’s a lot less wrong.
Regalli
Yeah, I think she has a preference for theropods and, frankly, the cladistic defining line for birds isn’t entirely clear. (Archaeopteryx? Maniraptoria? Coelurasauria? That’s probably too broad but not nearly as Too Broad as it should be.) It’s definitely very simplified, but since birds are weird I can see why. (I’ve seen people semi-jokingly go ‘fuck it. Dinosaurs are birds. This is wrong but we’re going to be at least a little arbitrary in the dividing line no matter what we do.’)
Needfuldoer
I’m sure some species only woke up in the afternoon. They certainly weren’t early birds.
milu
“or certain individuals of certain species”, i’m now imagining a dinosaur saying with typical mom-snark as she side-eyes one of her young sluggishly emerging from the family burrow
Rose by Any Other Name
To be fair on the sound front – reptiles don’t roar either. Alligators make a sort of belching/purring noise that puts me in mind of gurgling pipes. At best, it could be described as a growl – but certainly not a “rarr” style roar. That sound mostly comes from mammals (I can only think of large cats and a few other outliers personally – canines growl and bark, but they don’t roar).
Before making this comment, I googled “what noises do alligators make” and the video that came up was fascinating – I did my best above to describe what I heard.
milu
I ran the same search on Duckduckgo and this was the second result: a guy who calls himself The Gator Crusader does a silly bit about teaching alligators poetry, the point is to demonstrate that they produce a range of sounds from hissing and snapping to what he calls bellowing, and that last honestly does sound close enough to “rarr”, except it should be in all caps and have more R’s probably
Shitbird
Dina remains adorable.
Keulen
Hopefully Dina never stops being adorable.
Clif
Dina not being adorable would be like Mike not … uh … being Mike.
Demoted Oblivious
So… you’re saying an inverted three-storey drop would make an impact on her being adorable? Sure, Mike paved the way to new forms of character development, but it seems unlikely to be a hit with fans a second time. Probably it would fall flat.
Clif
I knew the Internets before you won them all.
Spencer
In another universe she did end up like Mike.
Suet
Just… just hompk.
At least the shirt is darker
Needfuldoer
Paleontological progress goes HOMPK.
Maybe the new shirt is the same color the original one was supposed to be, before it faded in the wash?
RassilonTDavros
…Okay, I was totally wrong about the meaning of the storyline title.
And I don’t care, because this is amazing. Had no idea Dina was into graphic design. I’m now wondering how many of the shirts we’ve seen her wear over the years were her own designs!
Wagstaff
What did you think the meaning was?
BBCC
A lot of people thought it was supposed to sound like vomiting and were worried Ruth would go drinking, because this storyline is her birthday.
Yumi
My mind, reading this comment and getting ahead of itself: “sound like vomiting and were worried Ruth would be pregnant“….
Me: Hm, yes…
Yumi
I hope we don’t have to see Ruth through either of these things, but there would be a lot of potential for Baby Ruth jokes.
Delicious Taffy
Is that guy dead yet, BTW? I think most people would take that as a candy bar product placement.
Clif
Babe Ruth died in 1948, the year before I was born. The name Baby Ruth was used by the candy company when they couldn’t get permission to name it as the Babe Ruth bar. Babe sued and lost.
AbacusWizard
I thought the candy bar was named after some president’s kid?
AbacusWizard
…or was that just a ruse to fend off the lawyers?
Opus the Poet
Your supposition about lawyers seems to be correct, as the candy bar was released several years after the president in question left office.
BarerMender
Forty-niners represent!
Clif
I’m not sure what the expected appropriate response to that is, but Hello fellow ancient person.
Jhon
I was born the year Texas City blew up.
Whippersnappers.
Clif
Technically, it was the SS Grandcamp that blew up. Texas City was just collateral damage.
But yeah, I’ll get off your lawn.
King Daniel
@Opus the Poet: And wasn’t said presidential daughter deceased herself by then, as well?
Rabid Rabbit
Howie already made that joke (except he wasn’t joking, because American sex education) back during the family visit weekend, so I think we’re safe.
Needfuldoer
We’d never see her carry to term unless DoA season 2 picks up the pace. We saw just about three months pass in a decade; even accounting for the months without weekend updates, we’re looking at roughly 25 years for nine in-comic months to pass at the old tempo.
Besides, if anyone has a pregnancy scare I bet it’s going to be Mary. Yeah I know that would retread an arc from the Walkyverse, but it could have already happened off-screen during the skip for all we know.
Sirksome
Well that’s depressing. Also it would seem like a huge step backwards for Ruth’s character. Like just from a reader’s perspective we’ve seen plenty of drunk Ruth hitting rock bottom, so do we really need to see more?
King Daniel
As far back as the opening chapter of this “Season 2” (and as recently as the most recent one, yesterday in-universe) Ruth has made allusions to intentions of drinking once she hits 21, which is today.
Also the Willis is a cruel and ruthless author, damnations be invoked upon his unholy name.