Not even north-east, honestly, that starts at like, Pennsylvania I think, we’re mid-west. Or at least everybody I’ve talked to here refers to us as part of the mid-west, same with Ohio which is further east and Michigan which is further north. Granted, the mid-west region is so large it’s basically useless as a regional term, but still.
Kimi
My mom once referred to somewhere around Chicago (I think) as east (compared to Montana) and they were not amused. It is like referring to Seattle as the coast, or parts of the Salish Sea as the ocean. That sea may have whales and other marine life in it, but the people of Seattle absolutely do not appreciate it being called ocean. It is funny, as I think the people of Vancouver, just across the country border, are perfectly fine with it. I guess that they might be considered more “open” than Tacoma, though I would say that they are similar to Everett.
In any case, directional terms are very specific to a region and some places are very particular about what they might be perceived as or called. I don’t know if Europe has any particularities as such, but would be interesting to know.
Stormies
Yeah, we once got into a (friendly) argument when an american friend referred to Austria as “Central Europe”. It might look central, but it is firmly a part of Western Europe.
Decidedly Orthogonal
The key being whether one is discussing geography or culture I suppose.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Wait whut?! Since when do Seattle-ites hate acknowledging that Puget Sound is part of the ocean? Like sure, Lake Washington, and Lake Union were not originally as brackishly exposed, but the Salish Sea and all parts thereof – including Puget Sound – are indisputably a part of the Pacific Ocean. (Vancouverite by birth suddenly concerned about the mental well-being of my southerly kin)
Kimi
I went to undergrad by Vancouver, so I picked up their mentality. People from Seattle consider the ocean to be on the other side of the peninsula (across the Olympic mountains). So if you are going to the coast on the Sound, they say that they are going to the Sound, not the ocean or coast. Since Vancouver didn’t have these particularities, I just always call it the ocean. Now I am just training to call it the sea since the whole thing is technically the Salish Sea (vs whatever sound or strait it fould possibly be) and sea is close enough to ocean for my purposes. I don’t think that they are denying that it is a part of it as much as that they reserve that terminology to specifically reference only places with open ocean.
Makkabee
It was called “the northwest” in the 19th century, and some people there haven’t grasped that it is no longer the 19th century, so…
Indiana is explicitly not south, we were part of the union in the civil war, and as far as I can tell that is what delineates “the south” from the other regions, membership in the former confederacy. That’s also why some particularly southerly states, like Arizona and New Mexico aren’t part of “the south” but rather “the west” or maybe “the south west”.
Makkabee
The definition of “the south” varies. Some people use it to mean “the old Confederacy,” 11 to 15 states (depending on how you count West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, and Oklahoma), and some people use it to mean “the places where slavery was legal just before the Civil War” which adds Maryland and Delaware to that collection.
Some treat it as a cultural area rather than a political unit, using things like “the sweet tea line” as a boundary, some go by accents, some by zones of settlement.
The “butternut counties” of southern Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois were largely settled by southerners in the 19th century while the northern parts of those states were settled mostly from the northeast, and that shaped political divides in those states for generations as “greater New England” and “the greater south” faced off.
tldr version: “there are lots of definitions of ‘south’.”
You are correct in this specific case, but I know so many leftist/progressive queer people and allies who use that lingo ironically, especially when referring to themselves, that Joyce saying this didn’t even register as weird for me at first.
I kind of get it– the evolution stuff connects to the entirety of how humans and everything came to be. LGBTQ+ stuff can be seen more as about people in society, and that changes over time. (Joyce is enough of a Biblical scholar to know about various “back then” stories that aren’t how things work now.) More than that, though, it’s a more intellectual difference. Joyce can see queer people, she knows queer people, she loves queer people. And I think Joyce is ultimately guided by kindness, which shapes her reactions. Evolution, not as much direct experience, not as clear how to approach with kindness.
in terms of how I think those specifically relate to her former Christian identity:
Evolution is something she denied on the premise that “there’s no room for evolution in a world where nothing can die”, i.e. in her Creationist view the world that existed in Eden before The Fall of Man completely lacked ANY phenomenon of pain, harm or dying,
Her cult’s doctrine of Original Sin hinged on the premise that humans were wholly responsible for bringing death *itself* into this world by defying God, with of course the Heavenly Father having convenient lack of accountability for neglecting to lock up fruits which could potentially poison his newborn human children.
as for her interacting with queer people, she previously compartmentalized them as the object of evangelism, i.e. “pray the gay away” to “save us” and all that bullshit
that said Joyce still has a long way to go in terms of breaking from not only her religious but social conservative indoctrination, but still, progress!!! ^^
it’s funny because historical Jesus was most likely a political activist whose niche was reforming old Jewish ideas and challenging bullshit from the Roman one percenters
Oh, I love that! So beautiful! I’m gonna share this comic strip with my exegetical study-buddies. Just lovely. Thank you so much for turning me on to this sweet work of art and history.
To quote Paul, it’s all about Galatians 3:28 —
“There is neither “East” nor “West”.
There is neither “ingroup” nor “outgroup”.
There is neither “prisoner” nor “freeworld”.
There is neither “convict” nor “innocent”.
There is neither “male” nor “female”.
For we are all one.
We are all in this together.
Change is all there is.”
(OK, I’ve paraphrased the text just slightly, but that’s what that verse means to me…)
Laura
Oops, no, sorry, I realized we’re not supposed to talk Bible-study stuff in this space!
Delete/erase…
Sorry ’bout that, DYW!
Apologies to all!
The thing is, it doesn’t even NEED to be “enlightened athiest imagining a socialist historical Jesus.” It’s just the evangelicals have such a hyper-fixation on being counter culture, and they boxed themselves into a situation by defending shit that the Bible never focused on.
How important is it to one’s faith that you believe the world is like ~6000ish years old? Not at all, according to the Bible, and if cornered, no one would say, “You’re saved by being repentant of your sins and accepting Christ as Lord AND renouncing evolution and literally everything queer.” Because THAT would be adding to the Bible, something they tell you they do not do.
But then you listen to blokes like Ken Ham at Answers in Genesis, and suddenly you’re told, wait a second, ACKSHUALLY, it’s incredibly important that you believe in a young Earth; it’s CRITICALLY important, if you don’t believe this it starts tearing down the entire Bible, because all of it has a foundation in Genesis. They *literally* have this presentation where they go through the Bible and say, “Well, if Genesis isn’t literal, then this falls apart, and this falls apart, and this falls apart…” and demand all the kiddos don’t even *think* about any other interpretation. Which honestly is basically making a pull tab around Christianity labeled “Young Earth,” so that kids plop out even easier as atheists when they leave home.
If C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape, or for that matter Sir Terry Pratchett’s Crowley were real people, I believe they’d get a commendation for Answers in Genesis.
So yeah. Joyce balked at evolution because it was taught to her to be *the thing* that undid her religion. Whereas other aspects – gender, sexual orientation – are small portions of the larger faith, and can be tackled without shaking the whole.
Dave the Inverted
I spent about 30 years dealing with the cognitive dissonance between growing up believing YEC was Essential Core Doctrine and my gradual realization that the evidence *was* there and evolution *was* real. (And by “dealing with” I mean “actively not thinking about.”) I didn’t go atheist, but to suggest that Christ was present in my life on a daily basis would be profoundly not true.
“elites” used in that context is a right-wing dog whistle used to refer to everything they hate bout the left
it also means “Jews” ?
same with other conservative media machine verbal ammunition including, but not limited to:
– “globalists”
– “postmodernists”
– “cultural marxists”
– “funded by George Soros”
Honestly, any time conservatives fixate on a given word over and over I just assume that it’s their new codeword for “Jews.” Pretty much never fails, as a rule of thumb.
Context was literally given above, also my trans friend in Iowa has to put up with actual nazi shitheads like this both IRL and in discord servers she’s in ?
It’s weird they have so many stupid codewords for Jews, because they’ll also just outright call people Jewish as an attempted insult.
Throwatron
they gotta have a slur for every occasion.
Taffy
They should be bullied into submission at every opportunity. Like, not even just vicious mockery, they need to be physically humiliated. Give bigots wedgies. Duct tape them to walls. Lock them in tight spaces and leave them there for a while. Knock their lunch out of their hands. Slap their phones out of their hands while they’re talking to a family member and then pick the phone up and pretend they just got hit by a car.
and if they don’t feel “””comfortable””” sharing it with us they can use the bushes
or better yet piss themselves in public XD
Needfuldoer
Don’t tell them, but there’s an all-gender bathroom in their house right now! :O
Michael Steamweed
*gasps in shock
*clutches pearls
*wonders where the hell these pearls came from
Taffy
I’ve occasionally wondered why it’s pearls, specifically. What is it about being shocked that makes people think about grabbing a bunch of pearls?
Michael Steamweed
Southern “Belle” type women-folks early 1900s? All dolled up in society with their pearl necklaces, and expressing shock at any moral “transgression”. Dunno. I first saw the phrase in the 90s.
thejeff
Seems to have come from “In Living Color” in the early 90s.
217 thoughts on “Pilled”
NGPZ
aaaaawwwweeee ?
also LOL XD
Lokitsu
IKR? This is so damn cute on so many levels.
Darkseide
Wild
Clif
It’s all that rizz.
Animedingo
When your only dialect comes from red pilled conservatives
NGPZ
right? XD
girl has a LOT to learn, but on the other hand i can’t blame her that much?
Indiana has a well-known reputation as a religious red-state, so much so it’s sometimes referred to as the south of the northwest
of course a lot of her lingo comes from their ardent Christo-nationalist voter base
drs
Northwest?
Did you confuse Indiana with Idaho?
I mean, Indian _was_ part of the Northwest Ordinance, but you have to be hip on your US History to know that, it’s not northwest _now_.
NGPZ
OOP North-EAST, yee
XD dammit i hate typos :/
Psychie
Not even north-east, honestly, that starts at like, Pennsylvania I think, we’re mid-west. Or at least everybody I’ve talked to here refers to us as part of the mid-west, same with Ohio which is further east and Michigan which is further north. Granted, the mid-west region is so large it’s basically useless as a regional term, but still.
Kimi
My mom once referred to somewhere around Chicago (I think) as east (compared to Montana) and they were not amused. It is like referring to Seattle as the coast, or parts of the Salish Sea as the ocean. That sea may have whales and other marine life in it, but the people of Seattle absolutely do not appreciate it being called ocean. It is funny, as I think the people of Vancouver, just across the country border, are perfectly fine with it. I guess that they might be considered more “open” than Tacoma, though I would say that they are similar to Everett.
In any case, directional terms are very specific to a region and some places are very particular about what they might be perceived as or called. I don’t know if Europe has any particularities as such, but would be interesting to know.
Stormies
Yeah, we once got into a (friendly) argument when an american friend referred to Austria as “Central Europe”. It might look central, but it is firmly a part of Western Europe.
Decidedly Orthogonal
The key being whether one is discussing geography or culture I suppose.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Wait whut?! Since when do Seattle-ites hate acknowledging that Puget Sound is part of the ocean? Like sure, Lake Washington, and Lake Union were not originally as brackishly exposed, but the Salish Sea and all parts thereof – including Puget Sound – are indisputably a part of the Pacific Ocean. (Vancouverite by birth suddenly concerned about the mental well-being of my southerly kin)
Kimi
I went to undergrad by Vancouver, so I picked up their mentality. People from Seattle consider the ocean to be on the other side of the peninsula (across the Olympic mountains). So if you are going to the coast on the Sound, they say that they are going to the Sound, not the ocean or coast. Since Vancouver didn’t have these particularities, I just always call it the ocean. Now I am just training to call it the sea since the whole thing is technically the Salish Sea (vs whatever sound or strait it fould possibly be) and sea is close enough to ocean for my purposes. I don’t think that they are denying that it is a part of it as much as that they reserve that terminology to specifically reference only places with open ocean.
Makkabee
It was called “the northwest” in the 19th century, and some people there haven’t grasped that it is no longer the 19th century, so…
eh, whatever
Nonono. Indiana is “the middle finger of the South”.
Kimi
What does that make Florida’s peninsula?
Michael Steamweed
The colon. (holds a lot of shit; needs uncomfortable colonoscopies)
ValdVin
And needs an enema once in a while.
Michael Steamweed
Absolutely!
Adept
Florida is America’s limp penis, obviously.
NGPZ
*USA’s erection goes flaccid* 0-0
Psychie
Indiana is explicitly not south, we were part of the union in the civil war, and as far as I can tell that is what delineates “the south” from the other regions, membership in the former confederacy. That’s also why some particularly southerly states, like Arizona and New Mexico aren’t part of “the south” but rather “the west” or maybe “the south west”.
Makkabee
The definition of “the south” varies. Some people use it to mean “the old Confederacy,” 11 to 15 states (depending on how you count West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, and Oklahoma), and some people use it to mean “the places where slavery was legal just before the Civil War” which adds Maryland and Delaware to that collection.
Some treat it as a cultural area rather than a political unit, using things like “the sweet tea line” as a boundary, some go by accents, some by zones of settlement.
The “butternut counties” of southern Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois were largely settled by southerners in the 19th century while the northern parts of those states were settled mostly from the northeast, and that shaped political divides in those states for generations as “greater New England” and “the greater south” faced off.
tldr version: “there are lots of definitions of ‘south’.”
Solarn
You are correct in this specific case, but I know so many leftist/progressive queer people and allies who use that lingo ironically, especially when referring to themselves, that Joyce saying this didn’t even register as weird for me at first.
PedanticJerkass
It’s kind of funny, because “red-pilled” is basically just their Bizarro World version of “woke.”
Or, rather, more like “anti-woke.” Asleep, in other words. Maybe comatose.
Daibhid C
What’s really funny is that they stole this term from a film directed by two trans women.
DailyBrad
Panel 2 Joss, ugh, I feel you.
Needfuldoer
Oh no, that doesn’t bode well for Hank’s reaction…
Amós Batista
Any message from is dad or mom is trigger for anxiety to mu.
Deanatay
Panel 2 really drives home the whole ‘sister’ thing. At first I thought, “Why is Joyce answering herself sarcastically? OH YEAH…”
shadowcell
Dumbing of Age Book 15: I’m Woke-Pilled By the Liberal Collegiate Elites!
now banned in 19 states and counting!
Julez
I was gonna say… Joyce this is a very recent development for you lol
Rose by Any other Name
I laughed when she acknowledge the convenient timing.
Queezle
I love how honest she was about that.
CC
Speaking of, putting the pieces together about Ethan in 3 … 2 …
Pinkie
Hip is so last week, everything’s skibidi toilet now. (Kidding, it makes me happy to see this going so well.)
ValdVin
“I dig, I’m in step
When it was hip to be hep, I was hep
I don’t blow, but I’m a fan”.
Nono
It’s actually funny how Joyce reacted to trans and gay people better than she did evolution.
Yumi
I kind of get it– the evolution stuff connects to the entirety of how humans and everything came to be. LGBTQ+ stuff can be seen more as about people in society, and that changes over time. (Joyce is enough of a Biblical scholar to know about various “back then” stories that aren’t how things work now.) More than that, though, it’s a more intellectual difference. Joyce can see queer people, she knows queer people, she loves queer people. And I think Joyce is ultimately guided by kindness, which shapes her reactions. Evolution, not as much direct experience, not as clear how to approach with kindness.
All that said, yes, it is funny.
NGPZ
in terms of how I think those specifically relate to her former Christian identity:
Evolution is something she denied on the premise that “there’s no room for evolution in a world where nothing can die”, i.e. in her Creationist view the world that existed in Eden before The Fall of Man completely lacked ANY phenomenon of pain, harm or dying,
Her cult’s doctrine of Original Sin hinged on the premise that humans were wholly responsible for bringing death *itself* into this world by defying God, with of course the Heavenly Father having convenient lack of accountability for neglecting to lock up fruits which could potentially poison his newborn human children.
as for her interacting with queer people, she previously compartmentalized them as the object of evangelism, i.e. “pray the gay away” to “save us” and all that bullshit
that said Joyce still has a long way to go in terms of breaking from not only her religious but social conservative indoctrination, but still, progress!!! ^^
Opus the Poet
Joyce is more Christ-like now than when she was a fundygelical. Which nis ironicnconsidering that she’s an “atheist” now.
NGPZ
it’s funny because historical Jesus was most likely a political activist whose niche was reforming old Jewish ideas and challenging bullshit from the Roman one percenters
Laura
…Plus gay. Or at least bi.
NGPZ
and non-binary!!!! ^^ <3
Laura
Oh, I love that! So beautiful! I’m gonna share this comic strip with my exegetical study-buddies. Just lovely. Thank you so much for turning me on to this sweet work of art and history.
To quote Paul, it’s all about Galatians 3:28 —
“There is neither “East” nor “West”.
There is neither “ingroup” nor “outgroup”.
There is neither “prisoner” nor “freeworld”.
There is neither “convict” nor “innocent”.
There is neither “male” nor “female”.
For we are all one.
We are all in this together.
Change is all there is.”
(OK, I’ve paraphrased the text just slightly, but that’s what that verse means to me…)
Laura
Oops, no, sorry, I realized we’re not supposed to talk Bible-study stuff in this space!
Delete/erase…
Sorry ’bout that, DYW!
Apologies to all!
NGPZ
hey, hey no worries, that rule is intended to address people who directly condescend to Willis and proselytize about bible stuff
definitely not what you’re doing here, thanks for sharing ^^
Stay safe, stay woke, and may peace be with you <3
Laura
✊️❤️?
Veronica
Historical Jesus worked in a toy store. Everyone knows that.
Needfuldoer
He found the tables to be very hard to flip.
Veronica
+
Hof1991
For more about historical Jesus and Rome. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/554983.God_and_Empire
Laura
Thank you for the tip!
ian livs
May I ask why the scare quotes?
Dana W
Yes atheists EXIST. No quotes required.
BorkBorkBork
The thing is, it doesn’t even NEED to be “enlightened athiest imagining a socialist historical Jesus.” It’s just the evangelicals have such a hyper-fixation on being counter culture, and they boxed themselves into a situation by defending shit that the Bible never focused on.
How important is it to one’s faith that you believe the world is like ~6000ish years old? Not at all, according to the Bible, and if cornered, no one would say, “You’re saved by being repentant of your sins and accepting Christ as Lord AND renouncing evolution and literally everything queer.” Because THAT would be adding to the Bible, something they tell you they do not do.
But then you listen to blokes like Ken Ham at Answers in Genesis, and suddenly you’re told, wait a second, ACKSHUALLY, it’s incredibly important that you believe in a young Earth; it’s CRITICALLY important, if you don’t believe this it starts tearing down the entire Bible, because all of it has a foundation in Genesis. They *literally* have this presentation where they go through the Bible and say, “Well, if Genesis isn’t literal, then this falls apart, and this falls apart, and this falls apart…” and demand all the kiddos don’t even *think* about any other interpretation. Which honestly is basically making a pull tab around Christianity labeled “Young Earth,” so that kids plop out even easier as atheists when they leave home.
If C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape, or for that matter Sir Terry Pratchett’s Crowley were real people, I believe they’d get a commendation for Answers in Genesis.
So yeah. Joyce balked at evolution because it was taught to her to be *the thing* that undid her religion. Whereas other aspects – gender, sexual orientation – are small portions of the larger faith, and can be tackled without shaking the whole.
Dave the Inverted
I spent about 30 years dealing with the cognitive dissonance between growing up believing YEC was Essential Core Doctrine and my gradual realization that the evidence *was* there and evolution *was* real. (And by “dealing with” I mean “actively not thinking about.”) I didn’t go atheist, but to suggest that Christ was present in my life on a daily basis would be profoundly not true.
Devin
The fact that Becky was her best friend probably helped that one along a lot. She couldn’t reconcile Becky being considered evil.
Sirksome
Remember when Joyce was transvestigating Dorothy for a secret weenis? That was like 2 days ago.
NGPZ
hey Joyce, HOT TIP:
“elites” used in that context is a right-wing dog whistle used to refer to everything they hate bout the left
it also means “Jews” ?
same with other conservative media machine verbal ammunition including, but not limited to:
– “globalists”
– “postmodernists”
– “cultural marxists”
– “funded by George Soros”
RassilonTDavros
Honestly, any time conservatives fixate on a given word over and over I just assume that it’s their new codeword for “Jews.” Pretty much never fails, as a rule of thumb.
NGPZ
pretty much
also if you see anyone on the internet put a dog whistle like that into triple parenthesis, as in
“(((term)))”
that’s a surefire sign you found a card-carrying white supremacist
eh, whatever
I mean, by now it’s a much surer sign of someone pointing out other people’s antisemitism… context is needed.
NGPZ
Context was literally given above, also my trans friend in Iowa has to put up with actual nazi shitheads like this both IRL and in discord servers she’s in ?
Taffy
It’s weird they have so many stupid codewords for Jews, because they’ll also just outright call people Jewish as an attempted insult.
Throwatron
they gotta have a slur for every occasion.
Taffy
They should be bullied into submission at every opportunity. Like, not even just vicious mockery, they need to be physically humiliated. Give bigots wedgies. Duct tape them to walls. Lock them in tight spaces and leave them there for a while. Knock their lunch out of their hands. Slap their phones out of their hands while they’re talking to a family member and then pick the phone up and pretend they just got hit by a car.
NGPZ
make all restrooms all-gender,
and if they don’t feel “””comfortable””” sharing it with us they can use the bushes
or better yet piss themselves in public XD
Needfuldoer
Don’t tell them, but there’s an all-gender bathroom in their house right now! :O
Michael Steamweed
*gasps in shock
*clutches pearls
*wonders where the hell these pearls came from
Taffy
I’ve occasionally wondered why it’s pearls, specifically. What is it about being shocked that makes people think about grabbing a bunch of pearls?
Michael Steamweed
Southern “Belle” type women-folks early 1900s? All dolled up in society with their pearl necklaces, and expressing shock at any moral “transgression”. Dunno. I first saw the phrase in the 90s.
thejeff
Seems to have come from “In Living Color” in the early 90s.