Romance Languages usually do a good job because the way we do syllables and phonemes is similar – Barring some difficulty differentiating Japanese su/tsu and chu/shu, Spanish does the same sounds (including “Nya” = “Ña”)
Of course, this means we kill it at karaoke in anime nights :33
It is indeed pronounced “Kara Okay” in French, but when French borrows a word from another language, it tends to significantly change its pronounciation.
Yeah, ironically I think that’s probably the same as, or at least nearer to, the original Japanese pronunciation. But in American English, it’s typically anglicized to the pronunciation “carry okie”.
I mean, karaoke is VERY much an outlier in how American English pronounces both loan words in general and Japanese loan words in specific. Our spelling wouldn’t be half as erratic as it is if we didn’t generally try to maintain pronunciation with our loan words.
Examples of more “correctly” pronounced loans words: sushi, haiku, kabuki. Also Honda and Toyota and Nissan are all reasonable approximations.
Examples of loan words that are off, but still better than karaoke: shiitake (often “shitaKEY”), jujutsu (juJItsu), pokemon (poKEYmon), kamikaze (kaMEkaZEE)
Examples of loan words we don’t even try with: karaoke (carry-okee), hara-kiri (hairy-carry) – pretty sure the latter two came over to America during WW2, and the first in the 1980s, which to put it mildly were both periods of intense “screw that country” sentiment and probably not conducive to respecting their pronunciation.
Examples of words you didn’t even know came from Japanese: tycoon (from 大君 taikun), skosh (just a skosh, from 少し sukoshi), honcho (head honcho, from 班長 hanchou)
*originally had kamikaze grouped with harakiri and karaoke, which is why that paragraph refers to three, but kamikaze is only slightly worse than pokemon or shiitake. The REAL best third example is karate, which we inexplicably pronounce kuh-RAH-tee.
Malaya needs to learn to respect her fellow human beings. All human beings are dangerous. As Mickey Spillane taught us long a go, even a child can pick up a gun and shoot her in the back. If she doesn’t respect her fellow humans, one of them will, sooner or later, teach her respect the hard way.
Bullshit. Good manners are about respect, and respect is about danger.
Thag Simmons
That’s not an attitude that will take you to good places
BarerMender
Bullshit again. Good manners get you respect. Bad manners get you a punch in the mouth. As for shooting, I’ve been places where everyone could be assumed to be armed. Those were the quietest, nicest, politest places I’ve ever been.
FaerwenOfValenwood
Lmao
Xujhan
Is this a bit? Are we doing a bit? I genuinely can’t tell.
Taffy
“Be nice to me or I’ll shoot you” isn’t respect, it’s fear lmao
Mturtle7
I’m taking a screenshot of this particular thread, as one of the funniest spontaneous online interactions I’ve seen in a long time.
McNitz
Unfortunately, religion often teaches you that respect should be due to fear. This can result in people being confused that others would respect people that don’t have power over them.
clif
An armed society is a polite society. – Robert A. Heinlein
It’s an old argument.
Li
It’s also demonstrably untrue, there are so many instances of people shooting other people over the mildest “slights” imaginable.
PedanticJerkass
If the only tool you have is a gun, you tend to see every problem as a target.
Wow “calling someone a dork can get you killed, and that’s Malaya’s fault for being disrespectful, not the person jumping to lethal violence about their feefees”
In my book, threatening violence (or actually perpetrating it) are pretty fucking disrespectful too. Grow up.
Or maybe BarerMender was joking a little bit. Just maybe
Derek
it’s a weird joke though, and not consistent with the tone of the comic or the rest of the comments
PedanticJerkass
“I was just jokin’ brah” is not, has never been, and will not ever be a get out of jail free card for saying stupid crap, despite too many wrong opinions to the contrary.
I used to not like Malaya very much but now I see how it’s a great character.
And the fact she is questionning her gender identity (Like me) is just adding to the reason I appreciate her
These two have a stunning amount of chemistry. They play off each other’s weaknesses perfectly. I can’t believe we’ve never(?) seen these two interact before.
Oh wow, look at her now, Billingsworth’s Famous Dork.
(probably dating myself with that one, kids these days are probably more familiar with the Dakota Fanning version. Bummer, they’re missing out on the glory of Paul Lynde.)
Malaya’s an insufferably pigheaded misanthrope who thinks they’re genuinely cool but pretty much everyone else is faking it. This makes her really hard to watch when she blasting someone who’s honestly pretty nice, but absolutely HILARIOUS to watch when she runs into somebody with a lot of easily-shattered illusions about themselves.
199 thoughts on “Some dork”
Ana Chronistic
only thing dorkier would be going to MAGFest
anon
have fun!
Animedingo
I bet she pronounces it Kara-okay
Dante
Oh godddd she so does
SpaceDorf
Kara are you okay .. are you okay .. are you okay Kara ?
Maddie B
Real ones pronounce it カラオケ.
Miafillene
kah-Rah-oh-keh. Least that’s what my sensei taught. I miss her.
Dante
Romance Languages usually do a good job because the way we do syllables and phonemes is similar – Barring some difficulty differentiating Japanese su/tsu and chu/shu, Spanish does the same sounds (including “Nya” = “Ña”)
Of course, this means we kill it at karaoke in anime nights :33
Theluxland
Wait, i’ve only heard it this way (And in french sentences so it may be the right way to say it in that language) but how do tou say it otherwise?
zee
In the west it’s more common to say “carry-oki”
asmodai27
It is indeed pronounced “Kara Okay” in French, but when French borrows a word from another language, it tends to significantly change its pronounciation.
a/snow/mous/e
Yeah, ironically I think that’s probably the same as, or at least nearer to, the original Japanese pronunciation. But in American English, it’s typically anglicized to the pronunciation “carry okie”.
Robin Lionheart
What other way to pronounce it is there?
…
Oh right, now I remember. Guess I’d just blocked the memory of people saying “carry okie”.
mindbleach
On MST3K it’s always “kar-okie.” I have no idea if that’s a genuine Minnesota-ism or if it’s like Daffy Duck’s “despicable.”
Li
I mean, karaoke is VERY much an outlier in how American English pronounces both loan words in general and Japanese loan words in specific. Our spelling wouldn’t be half as erratic as it is if we didn’t generally try to maintain pronunciation with our loan words.
Examples of more “correctly” pronounced loans words: sushi, haiku, kabuki. Also Honda and Toyota and Nissan are all reasonable approximations.
Examples of loan words that are off, but still better than karaoke: shiitake (often “shitaKEY”), jujutsu (juJItsu), pokemon (poKEYmon), kamikaze (kaMEkaZEE)
Examples of loan words we don’t even try with: karaoke (carry-okee), hara-kiri (hairy-carry) – pretty sure the latter two came over to America during WW2, and the first in the 1980s, which to put it mildly were both periods of intense “screw that country” sentiment and probably not conducive to respecting their pronunciation.
Examples of words you didn’t even know came from Japanese: tycoon (from 大君 taikun), skosh (just a skosh, from 少し sukoshi), honcho (head honcho, from 班長 hanchou)
Li
*originally had kamikaze grouped with harakiri and karaoke, which is why that paragraph refers to three, but kamikaze is only slightly worse than pokemon or shiitake. The REAL best third example is karate, which we inexplicably pronounce kuh-RAH-tee.
JA
Malaya calls it as she sees it.
BarerMender
Malaya needs to learn to respect her fellow human beings. All human beings are dangerous. As Mickey Spillane taught us long a go, even a child can pick up a gun and shoot her in the back. If she doesn’t respect her fellow humans, one of them will, sooner or later, teach her respect the hard way.
Dark_T_Zeratul
Boy, that escalated quickly.
ktbear
USA in a nutshell.
BarerMender
Bullshit. Good manners are about respect, and respect is about danger.
Thag Simmons
That’s not an attitude that will take you to good places
BarerMender
Bullshit again. Good manners get you respect. Bad manners get you a punch in the mouth. As for shooting, I’ve been places where everyone could be assumed to be armed. Those were the quietest, nicest, politest places I’ve ever been.
FaerwenOfValenwood
Lmao
Xujhan
Is this a bit? Are we doing a bit? I genuinely can’t tell.
Taffy
“Be nice to me or I’ll shoot you” isn’t respect, it’s fear lmao
Mturtle7
I’m taking a screenshot of this particular thread, as one of the funniest spontaneous online interactions I’ve seen in a long time.
McNitz
Unfortunately, religion often teaches you that respect should be due to fear. This can result in people being confused that others would respect people that don’t have power over them.
clif
An armed society is a polite society. – Robert A. Heinlein
It’s an old argument.
Li
It’s also demonstrably untrue, there are so many instances of people shooting other people over the mildest “slights” imaginable.
PedanticJerkass
If the only tool you have is a gun, you tend to see every problem as a target.
PedanticJerkass
Who hurt you?
Nymph
Wow “calling someone a dork can get you killed, and that’s Malaya’s fault for being disrespectful, not the person jumping to lethal violence about their feefees”
In my book, threatening violence (or actually perpetrating it) are pretty fucking disrespectful too. Grow up.
milu
Or maybe BarerMender was joking a little bit. Just maybe
Derek
it’s a weird joke though, and not consistent with the tone of the comic or the rest of the comments
PedanticJerkass
“I was just jokin’ brah” is not, has never been, and will not ever be a get out of jail free card for saying stupid crap, despite too many wrong opinions to the contrary.
milu
k
James
So what’s the punchline?
Architex
They must be majoring in whale biology.
Pylgrim
Man, I don’t like Malaya but I am so here for her bringing Jennifer down a notch.
Theluxland
I used to not like Malaya very much but now I see how it’s a great character.
And the fact she is questionning her gender identity (Like me) is just adding to the reason I appreciate her
Schpoonman
Drag her ass, Malaya.
James
*Let them fight.*
Imogen
These two have a stunning amount of chemistry. They play off each other’s weaknesses perfectly. I can’t believe we’ve never(?) seen these two interact before.
Thag Simmons
Malaya is always the most fun when they’re taking shots at someone less likeable then them.
deliverything
True, but Malaya can also be fun when taking shots at someone other than Mary.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
Opus the Poet
+1
Coatl
Malaya is also someone debatable, but she was honest with Jennifer
Needfuldoer
Malaya respects sincerity; just look at her interactions with Joyce.
Doctor_Who
Re: alt-text
Oh wow, look at her now, Billingsworth’s Famous Dork.
(probably dating myself with that one, kids these days are probably more familiar with the Dakota Fanning version. Bummer, they’re missing out on the glory of Paul Lynde.)
StClair
He’ll always be my center square. 😀
elebenty
Indeed.
And my favorite Uncle Arthur.
Dday
SOME PIG
cbwroses
Ooh whee! What do you see: the greatest dork in history!
Reaver
Fine Swine,wish she were mine, so what if her ass so big?!
Taffy
Thanks to the futuristic invention known as “Video Home System”, some of us youngsters are still In The Know™.
clif
I’m uncertain if that is something you are making up or if something as 50’s sounding as video home system is actually a thing.
Li
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS
Congrats on being one of today’s lucky 10,000!
David DeLaney
+i
TDKnave
I’m conflicted. On one hand, Malaya’s the worst. On the other hand, so’s Jennifer.
Schpoonman
“I don’t care if Malaya wins! I just want Jennifer to lose!”
UrsulaDavina
I know itss a real conundrum.
John Campbell
There’s plenty of characters in this comic worse than either of them. Some of them are even still alive.
Jeremiah
The real winner is me who gets a laugh at their interactions.
Thag Simmons
Malaya’s worst-ness is well deployed here because it is fun to watch Jennifer try to be cool and fail.
Mturtle7
Malaya’s an insufferably pigheaded misanthrope who thinks they’re genuinely cool but pretty much everyone else is faking it. This makes her really hard to watch when she blasting someone who’s honestly pretty nice, but absolutely HILARIOUS to watch when she runs into somebody with a lot of easily-shattered illusions about themselves.
Joe Moose
I note an absence of a certain iguana.
JessWitt
Oh they’re busy being a part of Carla’s eye-catching ensemble.
Needfuldoer
Carla borrowed him.
Koms
This is going to be like the outing at the lake. Everyone will go to Karaoke and accidentally Dina too
Doctor_Who
Plot twist: she will absolutely fucking slay Dinosaur by King Crimson.
David DeLaney